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the country, our political system is bankrolled by an army of fundraisers, pulling in millions of dollars a race. >> sometimes it looks like you might imagine knocking on doors, calling every name in the phone book and emails. so many emails. >> but for all those little fish throwing $100 to their local race it's the whales. those campaign fundraisers really need he'd power tools and companies. and when they donate 25,000 100,000, $1 million, they want a favor or ten. >> it should be obvious that that's corrupt but with a wink and a nod political deals toe the bribery line every single day, and we may never have noticed that if a certain illinois governor hadn't flung back the curtain with an

unrepentant ego, a political corruption crime spree and a set of unprecedented audio recordings that shined a bright light on the inner workings of american political power ladies and gentlemen, meet rod blagojevich used to get up every morning and turn on the 6:00 news and, you know, like you're kind of waking up and then you're like, well, wait what oh, they're outside >> they got cameras. they got cars and then they march them out. >> and you're like, that's a governor joe. >> breaking news. the illinois governor, rod blagojevich,

charged with plotting to sell barack obama's former senate seat. >> remember this guy he sure hopes you do governor rod blagojevich went down in a blaze of infamy for one of the largest political corruption scandals of our time the governor was allegedly trying to sell the illinois senate seat vacated by president elect obama. in fact, part of the governor's sales pitch was that the seat still had that new obama smell appointing someone to the senate is a rare opportunity when the will of the people is swapped wholesale for a gubernatorial power trip blagojevich had the sole authority to place whomever he wanted straight into the halls of the u.s. >> senate, and he was not shy about wanting a little something in return with the fbi recording his phone calls for the first time since nixon, the public was able to listen in on raw backroom politics and there's nothing quite like hearing it from the horse's mouth. >> the criminal complaint

quotes blagojevich as saying the senate seat was a valuable thing. you just don't give it away for nothing another quote i've got this thing and it's bleeping golden. i've got this thing and it's golden and i'm just not giving it up for nothing i've got this thing and it's golden. >> yeah and i'm not just giving it up for nothing was there a second in there racking up a staggering 24 criminal charges governor blagojevich's actions essentially boiled down to four things extortion bribery, corruption and wire fraud. >> and it wasn't just about the senate seat. blagojevich was also found guilty of extorting a children's hospital. you can't write this stuff. >> he's an arrogant punk who thinks that, you know, he's bulletproof. well he's not. >> he was convicted on 18 total charges and sentenced to 14 years. the longest sentence ever handed down to a governor

the way he politicked but was what he did. >> so blatantly criminal because the truth is that the line between what's illegal and what's allowable is much murkier than we'd like to think. and this is where the rod blagojevich story gets interesting. >> let me reassert to all of you once more that i am not guilty of any criminal wrongdoing. >> was rod a corrupt politician or just a politician operating in a corrupt system that still thrives to this day this thank you. so you've been out of prison now for almost two years, a little over two years. and you're still very outspoken about how you feel like the case against you was unjust. there isn't really an argument about what you said, right? it's on tape, right the question is whether it was illegal and whether it was morally wrong look, if you're saying, do we have a fundraising system in america

that you can argue is legalized bribery? >> i think there's truth to that. but did i do anything other than that standard that every other person in politics does? from president biden on down i did the same as them. and nothing worse. there is this real problem in american politics today where prosecutors are weaponizing themselves criminalizing routine and legal practices in government politics. and i think it's wrong when they do it to bill clinton. it's wrong. i think when they did it to president trump, because i have strong views on that. and i know it was wrong when they did it to me okay. >> a lot to unpack. there let's talk about the chicago and illinois system, because you're hardly the first governor in history. >> even in recent history, to to go to prison what's the situation here that causes this to happen well, i think it's time honored here. >> and there's a long history in chicago politics in illinois, politics where pretty much everybody gets rich are chicago politics it's like going to a pond when you go

fishing like if you are a prosecutor, you cannot be in illinois and not get something illinois is steeped in a rich history of political corruption that dates back a century to the prohibition era, when bootlegging gangsters such as al capone bought off politicians and police departments, keeping them drunk on power and also just drunk in rod's lifetime illinois has developed a rap sheet that any mobster would be proud of more than corruption, including nearly 30 chicago aldermen, eight state legislators, two u.s. congressmen and before rod came onto the scene, three governors in an odd way, the very people who should hate the idea of corruption are kind of proud that this is al capone's illinois chicago is a wink and a nod. >> town it's a shot and a beer town a lot of it has to do with family relationships, because a lot of the political leadership in chicago and in illinois are

family related. >> there's the daley family, madigan's all of these families sort of become part of this mafia. yeah, a political mafia and they're the ones who make the rules. >> i didn't come from that. i had to marry into it. >> i met a girl on the 6th of march, 1988. she was wearing a red dress, and she happened to be the daughter of an old fashioned chicago political ward boss. and she's my wife, patti. we fell in love patti blagojevich is a loyal wife. >> she is a tough customer and she's the daughter of dick mell she's complicated that budding relationship between those two is how rod goes from this. >> nobody politically finding a way to kind of embed himself into one of these big political families in chicago that have so much power i don't think it was, you know some great surprise that, like, you know, when it comes time to meet the parents, that dick mell was the father in law and the the powerful city council

chieftain, and then try to work together to put this great city back together so that we're all part of it. we all feel free. >> dick mell was a guy who always had the voice in the back rooms. he was a power broker in that kind of chicago classic sense. >> before politics. it was a nice relationship but for the most part, respectful and then because i was in the family and i was actually pretty good at helping her dad in local politics knocking on doors and trying to get him votes there was an opportunity to run for office in rod blagojevich. mel could see a guy that eventually, if he does it right, i could sort of pass the mantle toward rod was an immediate hit with illinois voters who sent him first to the state house in 1992 and then to the u.s. congress in 1996. >> dick mel says, i can see you being governor. >> and i got to be honest, i'm sure if i'm looking at it from dick mel's position, he's saying, man, if i can elect this guy governor, i can run the whole state

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the family. >> he did he had a real working class chip on his shoulder, and his two heroes were elvis and richard nixon. both because they were guys who came from the wrong side of the tracks and fought their way up and were kind of disdained by the elites. >> in fact, if those two gritty 20th century icons fought their way into a single person, you might actually end up with rod blagojevich for better and for worse, the rod blagojevich that i first met was youthful. he was energetic. he had this kind of mane of black hair that was super thick. and you could tell it was filled with hair product the hair. >> so iconic in its own right that it became a comedy staple on every late night show. >> the hair, the hair really? >> it looks like you're wearing a toupee that's also wearing a toupee. >> he had a huge infatuation with elvis presley thank you thank you very much

itching to lose his colonel parker because despite the many benefits of dick mel's patronage, rod was still in his shadow. you know, he really became known as dick mel's son in law first. and i know he hated that. he didn't know how to both be his own man and not let dick mel overshadow him the only way for rod to survive outside of his father in law's machine was to create his own cash flow so his first step was to hire two of chicago's most bare knuckle political fundraisers chris kelly and tony rezko chris kelly and tony rezko could generate big bucks. they were fundraisers. they were donors. >> you know, let's just call them what they were. they were influence peddlers they wound up being able to shake the bushes here and help rod raise money they promised access and favors if blagojevich won and

they got results where dick mel's good ole boys would fetch $2,000 at a time. kelly and rezko would shake loose 50 grand all that money. plus rod's appeal to voters who had felt ignored by the entrenched chicago political dynasties unstoppable combination he ran on some things that were uniquely important to black people health care for kids is a good idea when he said free rides for seniors on public transportation, that resonated with black people specifically blagojevich became governor in 2003. congratulations governor. may god bless you. you as governor apart from the scandals? how do i say this in a way where i don't sound like a guy without any humility, but i truly believe i was a great governor. i can't think of any

governor in my life that did anything for anybody. i knew that can walk around and say, you know what thank you governor. my daughter had health care through you. free public transportation for seniors and the disabled. i did that because they raised the sales tax, which hurts working people and poor people. and seniors. >> with the legislature raising taxes that hit lower income illinoisans hardest and rod striking back with policies to offset that. it's no surprise that his populist agenda made him a lot of enemies amongst the big political families. >> to the people and the masses. he was on our team and to the aristocracy and to the political elites. he was this guy that was taking their resources and giving them to the peasants. and so he became robin hood. >> i knew the reality that i'm going to have resistance from the old guard, the old ward bosses, the madigan's, daley, to some extent my father in law. and so the goal was raise money now and raise a lot of it so that you can afford to make enemies and you can afford to lose support. >> right. but some of these people that you were, that you were relying on, like chris

kelly, were corrupt, right? >> it turned out that chris had problems in his own personal business, and he was found guilty of those things, had nothing to do with me but like a lot of the people in the world of fund raising are not necessarily they are not upstanding individuals. >> no they're not. yeah. no they're not. >> what's the saying ignorance is not a defense tony rezko and chris kelly started compiling this list of different entities that were state contractors and hit all of those people up for money, probably with rod's assistance. hey, you got a contract. you want to keep it or you want to get more you got to pony up a lot of people in play have scalpel like tendencies when they fundraise, and rod was probably more of a meat cleaver government levers to squeeze anyone they could for a campaign contribution kickbacks like a cushy job or a fat contract. >> a little light extortion such as holding up teachers

funds. they had deep pockets to fill and a financial machine to do it. >> you can't trade official actions as a governor in exchange for campaign contributions or jobs. i mean, there is one simple word for that. it's called graft. >> graft is simply the use of political power and authority in exchange for personal gain to state the obvious, appointing unqualified people to state positions because you want to use the government as a vending machine for your political campaign, that's completely illegal. the mo was to make money from every state petitioner possible and small town hospital ceo pam davis looked like just another easy mark. >> in this case, the whole shakedown process is recorded by the hospital executive who is getting shaken down to reset your wire. >> oh god another wire sorry for i don't care what's in here. the governor really

wasn't on my radar at all until i experienced an extortion attempt through one of his colleagues hamas hospital system wanted to build a new facility in plainfield, illinois seems pretty straightforward, but there were red flags right away when she went to get government approval for the project in my case, the governor had appointed individuals to this board who had either contributed money to his campaign, so they bought their way on, or individuals that were controlled by the governor and other individuals and would approve only those projects for a kickback was going to be given turns out the board was willing to approve the hospital. all she had to do was use builders and lenders who were in their pocket and pad the contract so the board could take let's call it, a transaction fee for their trouble. >> it became clear to me that this was a major extortion attempt, and i was furious. so i called the fbi the feds set

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have gotten and wasn't getting. >> we all know that you got here because of dick mell. rod says, i got my own team and so don't talk to dick mell. not only does he not do what you want to do, but he say, don't talk to my boss. i'm the boss now. >> well, dick mell ain't feeling that. and dick mell is not the type to be like so may i talk to you privately mell wears his heart on his sleeve. >> his anger on his sleeve. >> he can love you today. and if he starts hating you tomorrow, he can, you know, pull the switch just like that. >> and mell becomes more and more resentful of being cast aside. and so that fueled this tension in that family to the point where it eventually exploded that explosion came in 2005, and though it may not have aired on reality tv, it was still inextricably linked to garbage. rod blagojevich closed down this landfill which

dick mell was a part owner of. rod said that this was for environmental issues, but what did he want you to do? >> leave it alone. and i had learned that it was operating in violation of the environmental laws. >> i had no knowledge of that. ultimately i decided i had a duty that i had to shut it down. and then he made some accusations that really unleashed the furies. >> dick mell called a press conference and basically accused rod blagojevich of selling a board and commission seats within state government. >> mel has had a falling out with his son in law, the governor. >> this is a family at war mell, accused chris kelly of selling political favors for campaign contributions of 25 to $50,000 at a time. >> tell me about where were you when you heard that he was leveling this accusation? i remember vividly it was early january of 2005, and this was the consequence of me shutting down his landfill. the very next day. he called a press

conference, and he was clever enough to accuse chris kelly, not directly me, but that's me. i don't think he envisioned that it would turn into something that would ultimately land me in prison but i know he did this to hurt me politically and and cause me problems with the fbi. >> mel's allegations backed rod into a corner giving the fbi room to prosecute his inner circle until, in 2008, the feds secured a secret wiretap on the governor himself. feeling the squeeze rod started looking for some kind of escape route. and then a golden opportunity landed right in his lap at this defining moment change has come to america now that senator barack obama is president elect barack obama, someone will have to take over a senate seat. >> this is the governor's decision. it is not my decision. the criteria that i would have for my successor would be the same criteria that i'd have if i were a voter senator obama becomes president

obama. >> he resigns his senate seat according to the law here in illinois. you as the governor, get to name his replacement. now you're excited about this and you say on tape, i'd like to get the out of here. and you're talking about options for yourself, is that i mean, i'd like to get out of here. you were sick of being governor. >> that's absolutely the things i was saying of course. and i was looking at all kinds of options. >> so he attempted to trade obama's seat for a golden parachute. >> he begins to be heavily courted by all sorts of people who would love to be that u.s. senator. >> they saw something really valuable here, a very valuable bargaining chip that could elevate his power in some way or benefit them monetarily when i said i wanted to get the f out of here, it's because those fbi people and my persecutors were all over me, and it's the sort of thing when that stuff's swirling around you, you know, that stuff's swirling around you, right? >> and it's there. it's everywhere. >> and it was just very clear

to me that they were determined to get me. no matter what. i guess one question i have is knowing that they were looking at you why did you talk about this stuff that way? >> look, i had 2896 days in prison to ask myself a thousand questions, including that. but you know what? what's the alternative? i have all my staff and lawyers. we all go to saunas and get naked and talk to each other. so nobody's got wires on them. no alternative. >> or you just don't say anything or you just say, like this seat is very important and we want to make sure the best person gets it and separately i am thinking that i'd like to not be governor of illinois anymore. >> well said. >> i don't make a habit of telling politicians how to avoid jail time. but here's the thing being more cautious could have gotten rod everything he wanted and kept him out of prison but caution is not really in rod's dna. >> i've got this thing and it's golden and i'm just not

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imperium but power prophecy. streaming exclusively on max corruption charges, illinois governor rod blagojevich walked out of his house and headed back to work all in all, rod blagojevich was facing 24 charges connected to four specific events. the attempted sale of obama's senate seat, withholding legislation that would benefit a children's hospital, and racetrack in an attempt to get political contributions. and the attempted extortion of a highway contractor personally think he should at least step aside. if not, resign. >> my husband is an honest man, and i know that he's innocent. >> he thought that he had the moral high ground. >> do you think the cloud that hangs over you is going to take your pick? >> i don't believe there's any

cloud that hangs over me. >> we'll get back to that. can we? >> i think there's nothing but sunshine hanging over me. >> he didn't show any of the humility or anything. you just can't stick your finger in the eye of the federal government. >> let me reassert to all of you once more that i am not guilty of any criminal wrongdoing then i'm confident that at the end of the day, i will be properly exonerated. >> i represented rod blagojevich in two of his criminal trials. i mean, he wanted to fight his case. he believed he was innocent and he was working to that end to to try and prove his innocence. anyone who believes that this was a selling of some senate seat doesn't understand politics. every single day in politics that is what happens. is this horse trading. and if you really listen to this in context what you heard was talking with various people, getting annoyed, talking about nonsense, and then in the end nothing really that was ever

acted on. >> later, rod blagojevich's lawyers would argue that what rod did specifically with the senate seat was no worse than when president eisenhower appointed earl warren as chief justice of the supreme court back in 1952, dwight eisenhower was about to win the nomination to become the republican president. earl warren, the governor of california, was withholding the delegation's votes. governor warren tells eisenhower, i'll deliver the delegation for you on one condition. i want to be the next chief justice of the supreme court ike the great war hero shakes hands, says you got a deal. >> he wins. one year later, earl warren is the chief justice of the united states supreme court. >> rod wanted a political appointment from obama. and for that he was prepared to trade obama's old senate seat, which is actually legal. otherwise, eisenhower would have gone to jail and americans would not have liked ike do you see yourself as somebody who was just trying to function and perhaps an inherently corrupt, but legal system, and that

theoretically, almost any politician could be snagged the way you were? >> absolutely. of course i do. except i'm giving me higher marks because i was using that money and that power it gave me to fight an established system that served itself on the backs of the people. and when you do that you a lot of people off and they want to get rid of you. >> but do you think that you're earthier about it, like more outspoken about it? >> well, i wasn't hiding any of it, but these were because it's legal and that's how you govern. abraham lincoln was able to get the 13th amendment passed in congress, which ratified the emancipation proclamation, freeing slaves. he had to make political deals with members of congress to get the votes to pass it. that's how you get things done. >> you're not comparing yourself to abraham by no means. >> and please say that i'm not comparing myself to abraham. emancipation proclamation okay, he's a lot taller than me, and i never did anything as great as that. but you're also not talking about the i mean, the emancipation. >> of course i'm not governor blagojevich tried to sell the appointment to the senate seat vacated by president elect

obama. >> the conduct would make lincoln roll over in his grave. >> you're very critical of pat fitzgerald. >> yeah, he's an evil guy he's a wicked guy. he's a scoundrel. and he deserves to get an kicking, you know? and he's a big coward anyway. go ahead. sorry. >> well, i think he would take issue with everything you just said. you know, he has a reputation for being a choir boy, for being you know, an upstanding, moral person. he sees himself as i am, trying to uphold some basic standards for our politicians. that's how he views it. >> governor blagojevich has been arrested in the middle of what we can only describe as a political corruption crime spree we had a political and public narrative that we had to overcome. >> and when the entire potential jury pool believes that your client is guilty before they've even heard the evidence, you're going into the trial. like if it's a basketball game, you're losing 100 to nothing. >> or it's like if you're a governor and you're getting impeached, 114 to 1. in the

lone vote in rod's favor, his sister in law deb mell dumped from office and eager to prove he was not a crook rod knew exactly where to plead his case. >> please welcome to the program governor rod blagojevich the best head of hair i've ever seen. >> so i want this to be real. >> you've got some challenges ahead, but i'm going to trust in the truth. and as it says in the bible, the truth shall set you free. >> rod blagojevich just kept talking. how are you? want to get on tv? come on in. >> i think he was able to warm himself a little bit with the public. better to be seen as a klutz than a crook sure, everyone loves a good laugh but oversaturating, the talk show circuit may have had unintended consequences as david letterman told rod when he appeared on the late show in 2009, the more you talked and the more you repeated your innocence, the more i said to myself, oh, this

guy is guilty so during the period from your impeachment to your trial and your sentencing, you did a lot of media appearances. what was the strategy behind that? >> my feeling was, look, i didn't do any of that stuff. and what does somebody do who's being lied about? but you have a tremendous desire to get on to the highest mountain and yell out, i didn't do it! >> letterman said that the louder you yelled it, the more it made him think you were guilty. >> yeah, i mean, i didn't convince him, but i think i convinced donald trump. that's why i got invited on celebrity apprentice. right? >> i have great respect for your tenacity, for the fact that you just don't give up. but, rod, you're fired what i saw over the course of rod's career was a guy who started off as kind of a charming rogue, and a guy who really did give voice to concerns that people had to someone who became almost a parody of himself. >> and by the time that trial

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contracts. i wasn't interested in that. i had 27,000 contributors. i wasn't tracking who gave me money, who got what the first trial was too confusing for the jury, and they had a lot of paper documents. >> there was a lot of witness testimony. >> are you anxious for this to begin? i feel great, absolutely. >> what the government did in the second trial is they pared down their their case and they believe that everything was in the tapes and they needed to make this trial a lot simpler. >> right. >> but you understand, it's very important for me to make a lot of money. >> i need the independence. i need the freedom. >> he was swearing a lot. >> the whole world is passing me by, and i'm stuck in this job as governor now. >> and upset and not appreciative of the position that he had. >> i got a catapult. >> i got a parachute out of here. i need that senate seat and i think that was more influential in the jury's decision than than anything it made him look bad.

>> breaking news right now, the jury has reached a decision convicting blagojevich on 17 counts of corruption wire fraud, bribery attempted extortion, solicitation of a bribe, racketeering conspiracy to commit bribery, and conspiracy to commit extortion rod blagojevich was convicted on almost all counts and sentenced to 14 years. patti and i obviously are very disappointed in the outcome. i frankly am am stunned. >> when did you realize, oh, i might actually be going to prison. >> from the beginning, really. i knew i was a dead man. really? yeah. why? because they have so much power and resources and you know, i wasn't really surprised when i got 14 years. the justification to the judge was you treated this like a golden glove boxing match but those corrupt liars are lucky dueling was outlawed because i had to challenge him to a duel. rapists and murderers get so much less time. and that's why this system is so wrong. and so

broken. >> let me offer you an alternate theory. sure. my alternate theory is that the entire system of justice that we have in this country depends on prosecutors and police, who are incentivized to get convictions, period. what do you think of that? >> well, i think you're almost right. >> i never took a penny. no one says i did. i keep saying that because that's so important to me. i don't want people to think that i was some one of these corrupt politicians that was taking cash. >> but remember, even though he never actually got that envelope full of money, that was because the feds closed in before the senate deal was done. the offers being considered campaign contributions, or a lucrative job in a nonprofit. the fact of accepting them that would have been simply illegal. hence the charge of conspiracy to commit bribery, which he was definitely guilty of rod's argument is no cash changed hands but prior to that, there had been plenty of money

changing hands. >> there's ample evidence these government positions, these government contracts, they were effectively for sale. >> it does not matter if rod blagojevich actually won the argument and got the money or the donations he was seeking. it's the ask if something goofs it up, but the burglary or the robbery is interrupted. it doesn't make it less of an intended burglary or robbery. >> he had his day in court that 14 years was what the system gave him so you went to prison for almost eight years. what gets you through prison when you have to face something like that it's love and it's faith. love for my daughters and my wife. you know, when i was arrested within days, the vegas oddsmakers had it 9 to 1 that she was leaving so in that sense, i've been so lucky and blessed. >> after he was sent to prison,

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>> more than anything else, maybe she got in donald trump's ear. >> trump had a connection with blagojevich because rod was on the apprentice, and patti blagojevich was on fox news every day. >> you know, we know that president trump is a kind man and he's compassionate. he's always been kind to my family. >> and when you speak on fox news, you have a direct connection with donald trump today, the president sprung from prison. >> former illinois governor rod blagojevich, who was convicted after attempting his own quid pro quo yes, we have commuted the sentence of rod. >> i watched his wife on television, but i watched his wife on television. yes. end quote how did how did that happen? i think he just saw he would tell me he'd like the fact that i was fighting back. i remember him saying something like you know, i have friends that go through what you're going through, and they're in a corner. they can't even move, and you're out there throwing punches. >> i think he liked that. >> i'm so grateful to him. sometimes things happen in life

where god intervenes in the most unbelievable ways trump blagojevich, fox news. >> i'm not sure how much god played a role in any of this. >> when rod came home from prison after eight years, his daughters had grown up. >> how were your relationships with them? >> they're good. i'm getting to know them. our family was broken for a long time. the difficulty is that i talked about with my father in law those were heartbreaking because in spite of everything, i love him. and he's been good to me in so many ways. and you know, it's been a tough road for my wife. our lives could have been so much simpler, so much better understandably rod looks back on the time, away from his family with regret. >> not for what he did, of course, but that he was sent to prison in the first place. but what else would you expect from rod? >> i am a political prisoner. i was put in prison for practicing. wait a minute. you're a political prisoner nelson mandela was a political prisoner. a political prisoners

have no due process. i was thrown in prison and spent nearly eight years in prison for practicing politics, for seeking campaign contributions without a quid pro quo. you do have an obligation to at least admit what you did wrong, and you refuse to do that, and you're creating a whole new alternate universe of facts. and that may be big in politics today, but it's still, frankly just. >> a reporter asked you if you wanted to say sorry to the people of illinois, and you said sorry for what? do you still feel that way? >> very much so. i've done a lot wrong. criminal? none. >> you and your defenders argue that the persecution prosecution of you is about the criminalization of politics. in other words, there is horse trading that goes on in politics you do me this favor, i'll do you this favor. and that's all you were doing and that it's legal. but they made it out to be illegal. >> well, first of all, it's not illegal. now, you can argue whether we should improve our

laws. that's a valid thing. i would think there's a lot of room to improve the fundraising laws, but that's not illegal at all and it's a common practice. now ultimately, after i've been in prison for four years, the appellate court reverses that big lie of the sale of the senate seat and they said it's routine political log rolling. >> and look that's partially true. the court did vacate the conviction related to obama's senate seat, but they never said he did nothing wrong the court said there was a jury instruction issue, and they upheld the remaining 13 counts. so contrary to his claim, he has not been exonerated. and for the love of elvis, we can only hope that rod's crimes are not routine. if there is a big lie, it's that he's a victim especially since every other charge was upheld, including the extortion of a children's hospital gandhi. he ain't this isn't some sort of mystery that gosh, i didn't know i had no idea. >> it's so gray.

>> really? i think most of us have some gut sense of when we're beginning to get in trouble. >> i don't believe blagojevich has ever done any reflection on right and wrong extorting a hospital. never occurred to him that that might harm the citizens, that he was elected to protect he has no ability to look at anything but himself. >> that's it. that's it. >> what's the worst thing that can be said about you that's accurate in your view? other than you were stupid to say that stuff? sure. >> look, i've been accused of being a narcissist i might plead to a misdemeanor on that. >> okay. um, i think my judgment of some people was way off. i think i should have been a lot more vigilant and see some of the warning signs. i knew they were aggressively out there raising money, and i didn't slow it down because i wanted to raise the campaign

money. i could have been more vigilant on that in retrospect. >> ooh. close but no cigar. whether or not rod trusted the wrong people, he set them loose on illinois because they brought him the most money. whether the rules on political fundraising are flimsy guardrails at best, you can still drive between the lines. so rod's tale is a cautionary one. a camera grabbing over-the-top example of how bribery extortion and graft easily sneak into our political system behind ambition and enormous egos. and if the same way he does, then another rod blagojevich is just around the corner. >> i didn't break a law crossed the line or take a penny. okay but i never said i wasn't an idiot >> thank you very much. thank you very much