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happened. >> i'm hill harper. >> it was a hot august night in 1989, when media titan jose menendez and his wife, kitty were gunned down in cold blood in their multimillion dollar beverly hills mansion. the gruesome double murder shocked residents of this well-heeled hamlet and would later transfix a nation drawn to the lurid testimony playing live from a van nuys courtroom. but for the first several months following the murders the world would be riveted by one of the most publicized whodunits in history. and it was straight out of a hollywood film noir. >> but how did it really happen wealthy represents exclusivity >> the fanciest cars ornia, rarely in beverly hills.

averages two murders a year. and in august 20th, 1989, their quota was filled >> yes. police what's the problem? >> what's the problem? >> somebody kill my parents. pardon me. so what year the phone rang and it was the watch commander indicating that i needed to respond to the station. they had a double homicide at 722 north elm. >> the first patrol car pulls up. erik menendez is curled up in a ball, weeping hysterically on the front lawn. >> at this time, we have two deceased persons inside. a male and a female they escorted me into the home to show me the

crime scene double door directly in front of you home watching tv, having dessert relaxing started shooting the second day. >> we're in the room mr. menendez was sitting on the couch and quite a bit of trauma to the legs, to the head, to the torso. >> just immense carnage on on the body itself just below on the floor between the coffee table and the couch was mrs. menendez kitty menendez in my 38 years in law enforcement i've seen murder victims. >> and i've seen suicide

victims but the condition in which these two bodies were in just. i'll never forget the look. they were basically unrecognizable. >> the way movies depict a crime scene is tamer. >> often than what it really is. it's always shocking the amount of blood. it's more than you can fathom occasionally you would hear a flop here and a flop there. >> and that would have been the tissue falling down from the the bookcases or the ceiling. my partner needed to hold an umbrella over my head and camera so the way it would protect us both from the types of tissue falling down when they picked up the jose's body and brain fell out of his head want to see very often

and the phone woke us up. >> erik was screaming on the phone. my father's dead. my father's dead. the house was cordoned off already with that yellow tape. there was a number of police cars. they blocked off the traffic. no traffic law was on the sidewalk talking to 1 or 2. >> either policemen or detectives. >> the police show up at the scene, and there are these two distraught sons. these two boys and they've just found their parents murdered. >> lyle and erik menendez, the brothers, they had a good reputation. they were good students. they were great tennis players. >> i was quite close to them at that time, and i felt like they needed me. we went down to the police station and i went with them lyle and erik, and erik was very very tearful and told me that they had been to a food festival and a movie in santa

monica, and when they came in, they entered the house. >> they found their parents deceased. i tried to console him and then tried to get information as to who would have possibly done this crime, the police are scrubbing the crime scene and they're looking for dna evidence. >> they're looking for fingerprints. >> they are looking for eyewitnesses. and for what people might have heard, particularly when the crime is gunshots evening, the neighbors heard a banging, but did not want to get involved. it sounded like a shotgun blast over and over again. you're talking, you know a good 16 shots with a shotgun blast. >> nobody called the police, which is very unsurprisingly, they call on barking dogs all the time in beverly hills. and

parking violations. >> i remember first hearing about the menendez murders on local tv and it seemed completely unreal the names of the victims that we have is joseph, enrique menendez, 45 years old, and his wife, mary, or kitty louise menendez, 44 years old, who could get into the home and creep up on them as they're watching tv, you know, in their den. >> there was no real struggle. how did the perpetrator do that? >> people in this quiet, exclusive neighborhood remain surprised at the murders. >> it's at beverly hills and i thought it was somewhere else, you know. >> what do you think? that. >> well, i didn't think it would be here right where i come to work at. >> after what happened here last night, some of the neighbors are worried and afraid. >> we don't know if this is an

isolated incident. >> there was an urgency that we needed to solve this. this case not only for the victims, but for the community at large. >> was it a gang related type thing? was it a mafia related type thing this was a horrific crime. police have no conclusive evidence. >> who hated them who would they cross episodes of how it really happened. there are six capsules missing there are three people dead. what possibly could have happened to these very young, very healthy people? >> it wasn't just about tampering it was about evil. >> new york city became so enthralled with this case mother and son murdering people. why did they do it? these pathological how it really happened. >> tomorrow at nine on cnn >> like a brand new pair of

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the heart of beverly hills at approximately 11:47 p.m. last night. we received a call on our 911 emergency line from the residence, stating that there had been a shooting here on the night. >> jose and kitty menendez were killed. >> um erik and lyle menendez, you know, made this 911 call. >> what's the problem? >> what's the problem i killed enough who is the person that was shot by bobby brite there? >> your mom and dad. i love you okay, hold on a second. >> all morning, detectives and technicians from the crime lab continue to look for clues behind the huge oak doors and the ornate windows this was all about loss. >> they had lost their parents, and it was a huge issue of

loss. and immediate grief the feelings just the shock. just not believing that this was happening and that my parents were dead there were three memorial services for jose and kitty menendez. >> there was a third memorial service that was held in late september 89th, about a month after the murders for the cuban-american relatives in miami and erik and lyle didn't show up, but they told their aunt that they were just too emotional crime, police were confused and they were baffled. you had two dead people in a high class

residential area, which is like a red light to the press and to this community and we had no leads. zero. >> is it as much of a mystery to everyone around here as it seems to be to the police right now? >> yeah, i mean, we just have no clue how how anything like that could could happen >> we checked everything trying to find some evidence that possibly the crooks left we found quite a bit of shotgun pellets that were left behind. >> and those were everything from birdshot, which is very small to double odd buck, which is very large. >> there were some pieces of wadding there from the shotgun

rounds. >> i believe that there were 13 of those that we recovered throughout the floor. but the interesting fact was the expended cartridge cases were all picked up and fingerprints on a plastic shotgun shell would be pretty darn good for fingerprints so it was a very calculated move on the suspect's part of trying to collect as much evidence as possible. >> why they didn't pick up the the wadding i don't know. >> so when a crime happens in beverly hills, the first kind of snap judgment you would make is oh, robbery. this involves money. >> there were no apparent signs of a forced entry. we're uncertain as to this time as to how whoever committed the crime actually got into the home >> probably not. because we don't believe there was any property missing to do is what could be the connection between the murderers and the victims there were a lot of signs at the

scene that indicated that there was some type of relationship that the killer and the victims knew each other in some way. a lot of the shooting occurred very close because mr. menendez was sitting on the couch and right on the arm of the couch was a remote that did not fall off. also, the coffee table immediately in front of both victims, the items on that were not disturbed so the shooters were very, very close range point blank kitty and jose menendez about who their enemies were. the initial media speculation about the menendez murders was that it was somehow related to the entertainment business. >> it's my understanding that it was the two boys, eric and lyle who also indicated early on that this might be a mafia involvement when jose and kitty were murdered the original idea was that it was supposedly because jose's business

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wanted me to write a biography about the fascinating life of jose menendez, cuban american rags to riches success story that ended in this horrible tragedy. we lost a friend as well as a business associate. >> the people that worked with him at live entertainment tended to like jose very much, admire him very much. >> jose worked like a demon to succeed in america and he did talented, tough minded show business exec. when he left cuba at 16, he was penniless. >> well, jose was the youngest child in

weren't rich, they were certainly well respected family and consider themselves part of the cuban elite lost everything. >> they they had. and, you know his family. gradually, one after the other, left cuba. >> the company is broad based, and it provides pretty much what the consumer wants he started off working at hertz as an executive and worked himself up like a rocket. >> really a brilliant guy. >> when jose menendez was a top executive with her tranekaer o.j. simpson actually came for dinner one night to the menendez home in princeton, new jersey, and he met erik and lyle menendez when they were young boys and from hertz, he was named head of rca records. >> jose menendez was very successful, but it came out that he also had a bit of a dark side. >> everybody who encountered

him said one of two things about him he could charm anyone and and at the same time could be the most brutal boss that anybody had ever worked for at work, he was a holy terror. i mean he would yell scream, degrade insult, and the employees were terrified of him and began to raise questions about what kind of person he was behind closed doors 47 year old menendez was a former small town beauty queen who met her future husband at a college debating class. when jose met her, you know, he was a brash, handsome guy with wavy dark hair, six foot one, and he swept her right off her feet according to lyle, her son kitty menendez, was miserable in her marriage and she wasn't trying to hide that. she would just explain all the things

that she could have been and the things that she couldn't have, and it would just come out very, you know in a rage dad was having an affair for months and months and months i would have to listen to my mother crying in the house. she realized that 20 years of sacrifice was for nothing. >> it's very hard not to feel for kitty. she's seen trapped in a marriage. she didn't know what to do about with a man who was obviously very difficult. >> kitty menendez was the doormat in the family and she allowed everyone in the family to treat her like a doormat. i think that the father treated her with no respect and therefore her sons treated her with no respect. >> jose did to to his associates praise his sons filled with admiration. at the same time, it was filled with expectation. >> the first thing were the indoctrination of the sons by the father who would sit them down in a chair in the basement for hours at a time especially

lyle apparently he would like, almost put his forehead against his forehead and and like to try to inculcate in him that his winner take all philosophy. the menendez family was like a royal family that we were better than other people, that we were athletically gifted we were smarter. >> i think the most dangerous thing he did was to teach them the lesson that if you want something go for it and don't worry about what you may do to people things began to training to be an olympic swimmer at one point, and so he had all kinds of different methods and how to expand your lungs and how long i should be able to hold my breath. and we practiced with him, holding me under the water. how long i could take it, and i would

fight him to get air in the ends justifies the means. and that's what he taught his kids jose and kitty were killed, eric and lyle menendez were involved in some burglaries in calabasas, where the family was living. these two had more of a checkered past than the family ever let on. >> one of their friends parents had gone away. from what i understand, it was lyle's idea to break into the house and steal jewelry from the people. >> it's a way of directing their frustration and resentment and anger and acting out in an attempt to keep lyle menendez out of trouble because he was over took the fall for these burglaries in calabasas. and jose menendez made a deal with the da's office that eric would be

couldn't stay in calabasas because their sons had burgled the neighbors houses and so they moved to beverly hills for them, that was the ultimate in showing success when the menendez family moved to beverly hills, one of kitty's closest friends said, kitty, you finally made it you've got your 90210 zip code. eric well, everyone out there in tv land this was a family that was perfect on the outside, but the perfect family turned out to actually be a nightmare in real life hi everyone the globe to see how these new weight loss medications are transforming lives. ready? >> it's like a new start for me. basically, i've made a lot of progress and i can't turn

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you have to talk to the brothers to really understand the menendez family. at a certain point in the interview, i, you know, gently said to eric, i need to ask you a few questions about the night of the murders i've never seen anything like it never will see anything like it. probably the hardest thing i've ever had to do. >> they weren't real he told me he repeatedly. >> how close the family was, how much he loved his parents, and he told me what a shock it was to walk in and see his parents. >> you know, i think that possibly if lanny would have been home, if we would have been able to do something about it, i definitely would give my life for the deaths as we were walking around the house, um, straight back from the main foyer was the room where jose and kitty had been killed. >> and i felt a chill as i walked by the room and i thought to myself, if my

parents had been killed in this house, had been brutally murdered, i wouldn't be living in this house requests and they finally agreed to sit down with us at their mansion it started out just as any interview that any journalist would do with the survivor of a family. >> you want to draw them out and see what what they might know as much as anything and so i finally just asked the the question that all of us journalists are embarrassed to ask, but we ask anyway because you never know what somebody will say, which is, how are you doing and lyle said well, it's been kind of a long time now. and remember, this has only been a couple of months, so we're pretty much over it the only thing i could compare it to was somebody who might have lost a pet that they cared about, but, you know, you can get a new pet. these two print reporters from the l.a. times

were not the only ones who were picking up on the strange response and reaction from the boys to the crime. >> there was just something about them that did not sit right with me, especially when i needed to take an inked set of fingerprints from lyle menendez. and i asked lyle, can we go into the house? would that be all right? as soon as we were in the foyer, he looked over at me and he said, is that where it happened? and i looked at him like, you're the one who discovered this not me. he looked like he just blew it he wanted to know if we'd had leads and were solving the crime. >> he was an overdramatic actually and that's when we were starting to have our eyebrows up about him behind the scenes. the police were did not share there was quite a

bit of evidence. >> computers that were in the home deadline, the l.a. >> times ran a story that lyle menendez had hired a computer expert to come to the house and looked for a possible will on the family's home computer. >> we found out that they had hired a computer expert to come in and erase the computer file, because kitty was rewriting the family will, and she had let it be known that she was thinking of changing the will so that they wouldn't be able to inherit anything sorts of odd behavior. the boys went to the east coast i believe it was in new jersey and started spending large amounts of money, which seemed unusual. >> in fact, three days after they were spending quite a bit of money on lavish items, buying rolex watches, they

bought a porsche car. >> they spent a lot of money. in fact i think some estimates say that in the first 6 or 7 months after the deaths, they spent a million dollars. that's a lot of money they had leased a condo in marina del rey that was part of their insurance settlement. >> they lived well they bought a restaurant in princeton, new jersey, a buffalo wing place. >> they were spending money that like it was they were drunken sailors, not the typical behavior that someone who just lost their parents would demonstrate. >> so all of that is incriminating. but police need cold, hard facts to actually charge somebody. >> it's been three months, four months, five months, six months, and then boom, a woman came to the station. she related a lot of things that only the shooters would know. that's it. the game is over. i

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related a lot of things that only the shooters would know. and the key fact that we got out of it was the the guns were thrown off mulholland highway up to mulholland drive, and they just threw them over the side of a very rural hill. so we had a team of our swat team, and every detective repel checking every slope police never find the weapons, but they do follow her next lead and that is to the place where the guns were purchased we went to san >> goal being, we were going to check every buy book in the town or the county. if we had to. >> they visited a lot of gun stores. all this is just basic

good detective work and they looked at the registers where people would buy guns. >> the second place was a big five. >> at first glance, it seemed like this was going to be yet another dead end. >> they didn't see the menendez boys names in the register but they saw a name of a friend of the menendez boys and the purchase of two mossberg 12 gauges and some ammo. after that, this case started going together real well. >> so the real question for police was how did this woman judalon smith, happen to know so much about this case? it turns out that judalon smith was the former mistress of the menendez brothers therapist. >> just when you think you've heard everything, you have a spurned girlfriend of the therapist who may know something and that something turned out to be explosive. >> eric becomes, after the

homicides more and more depressed i think eric was haunted by the murders afterwards and i think he needed to to talk to people about it. psychotherapist jerome oziel counseled the brothers eric. >> he trusts doctor oziel and so he confesses to doctor oziel that they killed their parents out from killing his parents. >> lyle not so much. >> lyle immediately rushed over to doctor roger ailes office. >> he tells doctor oziel, i understand what my brother said here, but i want you to know that this must remain a secret. if any of this comes out, you're a dead man he realized i might get

murdered. >> i'll be the only one to know. >> so, doctor oziel came up with a plan. >> about a month after eric menendez confessed to doctor oziel doctor oziel told the brothers one afternoon that i think it would be a good idea if we record an audiotape of one of our therapy sessions and just in case you ever get arrested, that we'll be able to show that you had remorse. and so the brothers agreed. >> we vowed that we would just kill dad and eliminate the problem. >> and we decided that my mother could not live without my father. >> we were doing her and us a favor in putting her out of her misery. really? >> so he says, i'll take the audiotape and i'll put it in the safe deposit box, and nobody has access to that safe deposit box unless something happens to me and doctor oziel becomes upset and dissatisfied with his mistress, and he kicks

her out. >> the next mornin hills police and said, doctor oziel has an audiotape that's in a safe deposit box in sherman oaks with a confession. >> hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. >> and we got a call at 6:00 in the morning. and eric was panicked episodes of how it really happened. there are six capsules missing there are three people dead. >> what possibly could have happened to these very young very healthy people? it wasn't just about tampering. it was about evil. >> new york city became so enthralled with this case. >> mother and son >> why did they do it? this pathological how it really happened. >> tomorrow at nine on cnn every weekday morning. >> here are the five things you need to know to start your day get the news you need. how about this for an earnings call

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and see how much you can save. >> i'm bill weir on the california coast and this is cnn like this is a cold case, at least to the public. >> and then after seven months, boom. an arrest cordoned off the street. >> they were afraid lyle was going to run. i think that's why they moved. when they did and when he got into a car to drive away, they they did a stop and arrested him at that time

lyle menendez was arrested i was actually in west palm beach, florida and i had 4 or 5 frantic messages from the city desk at the miami herald, and they told me that lyle menendez had just been arrested in beverly hills eric was believed to be in israel playing in a tennis tournament when his brother lyle was arrested yesterday by police. we wanted to see if eric could actually do this pro tennis thing, so we went to israel. >> he was in israel for to take part in a tennis tournament. that was the information that we had. >> and then the big question was getting eric back and we got a call at 6:00 in the morning from lyle's then attorney you have to leave israel immediately or you will be extradited. i didn't know what to think. and eric was panicked. he said nothing. nothing the first lawyer that the menendez brothers reached out to and hired was robert shapiro. >> he ultimately became very famous because he became part

of o.j. simpson's defense team. >> robert shapiro negotiated a surrender for eric menendez we checked out went to the airport found that there was a flight to london and the next day i flew to l.a. >> and he flew to miami to see his aunt 19 year old eric menendez accused, along with his older brother lyle, of the brutal deaths of their parents, may be about to turn himself in. >> we have some unconfirmed reports that he may, in fact, be on his way back to the united states. we don't know what his destination would be or what his intent is. >> his cuban relatives had to talk him into coming back and they said, and we'll face it with you and do whatever we can to support you. and they certainly did that. >> they convinced him the right thing to do was turn himself in. so he and his aunt marta, that actually both the brothers were very close to, flew to los angeles and he surrendered to

authorities with the defendants please rise brothers lyle and erik menendez late this afternoon were brought into a beverly hills courtroom and told of the charges against them both accused of murdering their father and mother jose and kitty menendez. when i heard that the sons, their sons that they had raised with a silver spoon in their mouths were the killers, i wasn't stunned. i was just disgusted. >> both brothers are being charged with both murders. we believe that both brothers were involved, actively involved in the murder. >> both charges are special circumstances for which you could be sentenced to death. do you understand the charges? >> yes. your honor, it was extremely difficult for the menendez family to process the arrest of eric and lyle for the murders of their parents. they couldn't believe it. they said it wasn't possible. >> you believe strongly in the

boy's innocence extremely. >> you can't. you cannot imagine how strongly i believe in that i. >> i cannot i don't have words to say how strong i feel about the complete impossibility of them having committed the act that they were accused of i think anybody that knew these boys couldn't imagine that they could have shot their parents 22 year old joseph lyle menendez and his 19 year old brother eric, were charged earlier this month with two counts of murder each the sons were arrested after a warrant was served on the family psychologist in search of evidence. >> you had these two boys of privilege who had gone to the therapist and uh, bared their souls thinking that it was going to be kept confidential. and the next thing you know, there's a big legal fight about whether everything they said was going to be admissible against their interests in a court of law. it was awesome on behalf of eric menendez, we are going to vigorously defend his

right to have a confidential communication with his therapist. if the doctor is threatened, then he can breach patient confidentiality in order to save his own life. the defense was hoping that in suppressing the tape, they could also convince the judge that doctor oziel should not testify and the judge made it clear throughout the hearings that that was not going to happen. >> months after their arrest, the menendez brothers decided to make a change in their defense team. >> out went robert shapiro, and in came leslie abramson we always assumed that doctor oziel would be part of the case. >> that's what litigation is for some, you win, some you lose, and leslie was going to to take every ounce of her energy of her soul to make sure that if the state was going to prove these boys were guilty of murder, that the state was going to have to prove it. >> but the da admits that he is fighting for every piece of evidence to convict the two menendez brothers for the sensational murders of their wealthy beverly hills parents, both brothers were calling me

occasionally from jail, they said wait until the trial. you'll find out what was really happening in the menendez family. >> he just said that was our secret me if i told anybody preliminary hearings, the judge finally allowed eric and lyle sensational audiotape confessions to be played at trial. >> based on that key piece of evidence alone, it looked like it would be an open and shut case for the prosecution. but just before the trial was set to begin in july 1993, more than three years after the murders the defense team introduced a shocking new strategy which would soon shake the state's case to the core the trial that transfixed the nation in part two of the menendez brothers how it really happened