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occasionally from jail, they said wait until the trial. you'll find out what was really happening in the menendez family. >> he just said that was our secret me if i told anybody preliminary hearings, the judge finally allowed eric and lyle sensational audiotape confessions to be played at trial. >> based on that key piece of evidence alone, it looked like it would be an open and shut case for the prosecution. but just before the trial was set to begin in july 1993, more than three years after the murders the defense team introduced a shocking new strategy which would soon shake the state's case to the core the trial that transfixed the nation in part two of the menendez brothers how it really happened
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long time until eric and i would get together and we would share what was happening in the family, and we had to make a decision. wolf blitzer had no choice to do what they did. >> aaron i hate myself for doing it happened. >> i'm hill harper, the menendez murders are one of the most well-known crimes in u.s. history. >> jose, a wealthy hollywood executive, and his wife, kitty gunned down in their beverly hills mansion for months. the case went unsolved until the shocking confessions of their sons, lyle and eric, came to light when the case went to trial in july 1993, nearly four years after the crimes the public was literally watching along gavel to gavel on an up
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and coming cable network, court tv the menendez brothers became infamous pop culture celebrities, not just for killing their parents, but for the reasons they claim drove them to do so. their riveting testimony is next. check it out beverly hills mansion murders, and the story reads like one of the unsold scripts that circulate problem song jae-lim my parents are these the words of a saddened, shocked son or the cool words of a cold hearted killer prosecutors contend the menendez brothers were hoping to collect on an inheritance estimated at $14 million. they were spending quite a bit of money on lavish items, some estimates say that in the first 6 or 7 months after the deaths they spent $1 million. >> they were spending money like they were drunken sailors. >> and now lyle and eric
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menendez face the death penalty for first degree murder. >> greedy rich kids kill ozzie and harriet on a sunday night in beverly hills. and there's much more to the story than that superior courthouse in van nuys was actually very tiny courtroom. >> and so there were a dozen media people that got to see the trial in the courtroom every day writer dominick dunne appeared to hear opening statements right here. i had just gotten out of school and started as a cub reporter at this legal newspaper i got one of the seats in the courtroom there were the lawyers and the brothers my editors. and i knew from the captivating as hell. >> okay. now, opening statements by the prosecution. >> thank you, your honor and good morning. >> the only time i've ever thrown up during a trial was right before opening statement. based upon this evidence it will become apparent that this murder was unlawful unjustified
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and wholly premeditated. i had been told by the da's office to acquiesce to cameras in the courtroom and i went in chambers with the other attorneys and i said, absolutely not. i do not want cameras in the courtroom. and the judge said, we're not going to have cameras. and we come in for opening statement, and there's the camera. but for a few mistakes, they made this was almost the perfect murder. >> it's very difficult now, 20 plus years later, to think about how if the right word is innovative, the menendez trial was a los angeles courtroom has become the focus of worldwide media attention. >> people were not used to seeing courtroom drama on television. they just were not. >> for many television viewers, cameras in court have gone from novelty to necessity. >> when you see it on tv, you feel like you're there and you kind of get to be a judge yourself. >> it's real life, and i think that all of us like to delve into other people's lives
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people could not get enough of this. the high profile case of the two brothers accused of shooting their parents to death in their beverly hills mansion has captured the interest of people across the country but some interest has little to do with legal issues. >> i think they're really cute at the height of their popularity, which is kind of a funny word to use. >> eric and lyle melendez were getting 1000 letters a week primarily from women all over the world who were sending them naked pictures, telling them that they wanted to come visit them at the l.a. county jail. a combination of infamy and popularity the trial has maintained the brothers actually killed their parents out of greed and hate. my premise was that killed the parents because the parents were about to disinherit them, and the parents were fed up with them. >> so the prosecution's case was actually straightforward. the everything showed that that lyle and erik menendez had in fact, shot gunned their parents
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to death the prosecution's star witness was doctor jerome oziel. >> he was their therapist, and he was the person who the brothers had confessed to. >> we did it and he said we killed our parents. >> i didn't believe they were. they were guilty. i just couldn't fathom that they could have done that. i never believed whatsoever until it came out at trial. >> the defense may call its next witness. >> defense calls joseph lyle menendez. >> lyle was the first one to take the stand even just hearing his voice was dramatic for everyone because it's very rare that you get to hear from the mouth of someone who has committed a murder. exactly how that murder went down. >> just we just burst through the doors and i started firing. >> they sat there very matter of factly and explained that they did >> i entered the room i saw two people in the room, and i just started firing and oh, my gosh,
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i mean, how many people would do that? i just fired until there was nothing left there was things shattering and the noise was phenomenal. just chaos. >> the most dramatic piece of evidence was when lyle menendez acknowledged that yes he had reloaded his shotgun and taken it and put it up against his mother's head and fired at some point. >> was your gun empty >> and what did you do after you reloaded and then kitty gets shot and is crawling along the floor trying to. >> you know, get out of the way. >> murdering her, shooting her like a dog, and then running
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through all that money on frivolities. did they ever even love her i felt very betrayed and used, especially with the whole phenomena of coaching them after the fact. >> and that's when i really withdrew the case. but what they weren't counting on was the power of the defense. >> i just told him, i don't episodes of how it really happened. >> there are six capsules missing. there are three people dead. >> what possibly could have happened to these very young very healthy people? >> it wasn't just about tampering, it was about evil. >> new york city became so enthralled with this case. >> mother and son murdering
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for erik menendez. she's regarded in los angeles and around the country as one of the best defense attorneys in the business. >> if i was in trouble i would think very seriously about calling leslie abramson because she is that good. >> this case has been treated like a soap opera by you all for a long time, and it isn't a soap opera. this is real life. leslie abramson was incredibly passionate. she was almost, like, rebellious in the courtroom. >> i'm going to object to that answer. your honor, this witness has been trying to do this. >> if you will succeed in not mugging for the jury, not making faces to the audience, you will behave professionally. is that clear? >> yes. of course. >> i do not believe any jury will ever convict eric menendez of first degree murder. >> leslie, you know, dressed them up in sweaters in court and tried to tried to emphasize how young they were. >> i remember watching her in court how she would put her arm around them and rub them and pat them. might pick a piece of
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lint off their sweater. this smooth it down in front of the jury parents? >> you know, looking like that during their trial, the brothers admitted they shot and killed film company executive jose menendez and his wife, kitty, in the den of their $4 million beverly hills home because, they said of a dark family secret. >> so in this case the brothers had confessed. they had said that they killed their parents. they said it in the confession. the doctor, they also said it on the stand. so then this case went from a whodunit to why had they done it? >> both brothers were calling me occasionally from jail. they said, wait until the trial you'll find out what was really happening in the menendez family. >> i had done many cases for leslie abramson over the years, and she could not believe this horrific killing was merely the product of them wanting money. so she brought me in as her psychiatric expert and she
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said, look, i want you to interview these boys and find out really what went on. lyle proved to be a very, very difficult interview subject, and he was very reluctant to talk about virtually anything. whereas eric all he would kept telling me was how wonderful his father was. and that his mother was such a wonderful, loving mother. i really wasn't until four months little dribs and drabs started to come out that there had been some very negative things going on in the family, and now we had an explanation for 12 years between the ages of six and 18. my client, eric menendez was sexually molested by his father. >> attorneys stand up and they say they killed the parents because of abuse. and you could hear a pin drop. >> and we were all like, oh
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people started saying, why are we just hearing about this for the first time? jose menendez is obvious purpose was to use his child's body to satisfy his lust. >> i had no idea of that. the boys had never spoken about that and or anybody that i knew around them had never spoken about that. i never saw anything with jose and the boys at all between the ages of six and eight. >> did your father have sexual contact with you? >> yes. >> everyone in the courtroom was stunned. people just writing as fast as they could get every word. >> my dad came in and told me to take off my clothes and to kneel on the bed. at one point, i just started screaming and i started saying, stop. it hurts. it hurts. >> i think people were stunned not only to hear this claim in the first place, but to hear the details about what these brothers said happened to them. >> he raped me did you cry yes
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did you ask him not to yes. >> how did you ask him not to i just told him i don't >> i just told him that i didn't want to do this and that it hurt me to hurt me and he loved me. >> i saw reporters that were crying. it was just such a powerful moment. probably one of the most powerful moments i've ever seen in a courtroom. >> they had two years to get ready for their testimony i happen to know the defense attorneys were at the county jail almost every day so, you know, put two and two together. they're practicing. >> i thought the defense case was original creative, a
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fascinating piece of defense lawyering and absolute nonsense. >> assistant district attorney pam bozanic calls the brothers abuse defense a legal smokescreen. >> i would bet everything i own and everything everybody else owns that it didn't happen i was told by the bailiffs that he and eric would high five each other after their testimony, because they you know, they did such a great job. >> i think the prosecution was confident of their case. i think they thought that the jury is not going to buy this defense. and so i don't think they they really prepared a significant response. >> you learn to lie as a child, didn't you i would i would say that if you lied about this for all those months, how are we supposed to know that you're now telling the truth? they were all screwed up psychologically. basket cases. that there's a reason why they acted out against their parents something didn't sit right
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media. you can imagine if if twitter was a thing during the menendez trial, it would have blown up and just who's calling men and women on both sides of the case? those who believe the brothers are innocent, they're calling in to say, you know, give these guys more credit. they can't make up. you can't make up stuff like this. >> and those who find them guilty, those kids are absolute lying brats. a string of four letter words, even the prosecutor's office gets up to 50 calls a day you've got people calling you from arkansas saying, i saw you on court tv and i really hate your hair. >> and it's like, thank you, ma'am, but you know i'm a little busy right now um, and that happened a lot the defendants told doctor oziel that they killed their father because he controlled them and made them feel inferior. >> there were people not only in the states, but all over the world that were watching every day like a soap opera jose menendez is obvious purpose was to use his child's body to satisfy his lust and people that had to work during the day would record it and watch it at night and court tv would run a
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three hour highlight show every night. i'm telling the truth to the best that i can. >> i remember firing directly at him. >> can you answer the question? >> yes okay. >> it was you telling lie what my dad had been molesting me people were obsessed. >> people couldn't get enough i remember one of the court tv employees saying that nbc had called and they were going to do a skit about the menendez brothers on saturday night live and it was about eric and lyle on the stand and supposedly blaming everything on their younger twin brothers that apparently nobody knew anything about. is it your testimony that you and your brother eric in fact, had nothing to do with the murder of your parents, jose and kitty menendez? >> that's correct. >> then can you tell the court who did murder your parents? >> our other two brothers, danny menendez and jose
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menendez jr. you could see the celebrity aspect of this trial playing out in real time and in real life. >> and the zaniness of some of the people who were involved doctor jerry oziel is quite a character. >> he was almost worthless, except he could say they told me they did it i asked him, you mean you killed your parents he said yes. and then judalon smyth, his girlfriend was bat crazy. >> are you aware of the fact that you told diane sawyer the following things? >> she asked you in the program, which was aired on august the 30th of 1990, are lyle and eric menendez guilty did they murder their parents your answer yes. they did. diane sawyer, you know this. you answered absolutely. i heard from their own mouths that they killed their parents so now you're saying that you
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no longer believe that you heard that i was brainwashed. >> you were brainwashed. >> i mean, who brainwashed her? how could she be brainwashed? how could she tell diane sawyer one thing? so clearly? and then in court decide to completely, you know renege on that story i think when doctor ozil's girlfriend was on the stand, you're thinking to yourself, oh, my goodness, what a what a show. i always wanted to try a complex murder. it turns out that you have to be careful what you wish for this was like a circus ride teenager talking back to a parent with being a homicidal maniac? >> because that is the strongest evidence of aggression that they think they have in this case? >> i mean, this admiringly leslie loves the spotlight and in the closing argument, she had the spotlight, and she was determined to milk it for every
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moment. >> i cannot show you the crime that jose menendez committed on him, but you heard about some of the things that he liked to do to his little boy. and one of them was to stick tacks like this in his thighs and in his butt and to run needles across his the defense attorneys had given these, you know extraordinarily theatrical closing arguments. >> pam bozanic didn't have a lot of theatrics don't assume that just because people have money, they can't be violent. i remember being really angry during my closing statement, and they bought the right ammunition. they bought the right guns, they killed their parents. >> look at these defendants. look at their crimes. look at what lyle menendez has tried to sell you as a defense. look at the lies that he has told you on the witness stand. and ask yourself, can you believe anything that this man says my
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hope was to make the jury think they were liars she stood up and just very quietly and strictly said to the jury, it's like this is a first degree murder. this is what they did to their mother. >> and don't let them get away with it. and she did that really well because the brothers have separate juries. the verdicts will not be announced until both have finished deliberations. >> the only question was how long the deliberations were going to take. >> it's really left for the jurors to determine the credibility and decide who they believe political analysis. >> we have all kinds of questions. >> you're about to feel so stupid, pressing questions. >> what did biden do that set the right course? >> stayed awake hard hitting questions. why did trump pull out of 60 minutes? >> i love pulling out and downright ridiculous questions. >> what are your predictions for next week's top stories? >> baby oil files for bankruptcy. this is a news
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that's prize242424 i'm rahel solomon in new york and this is cnn lyle and erik menendez captivated the country. tv networks were clamoring to get their menendez made for tv movies ready to air. once the verdicts were read for six months, public opinion was divided between seeing the menendez brothers as cold blooded murderers or victims of unthinkable abuse but what would each jury decide six months, i think that this trial went on, that it almost became like unclear what verdict the jury should come back with. the menendez jurors were faced with five different choices. they could vote for first or second degree murder, voluntary or involuntary manslaughter, or acquittal. there was quite a bit of debate
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on what was the level of the responsibility of the brothers at court tv we clearly kept viewers updated on what was going on which was that nothing was going on what does it say when the when the when the deliberations have gone on so many days and you're saying you still have a chance they're still deliberating aren't they? >> it seems like an eternity because we were like, you know, on pins and needles. >> i was driving 30 miles to go sit in my office waiting i actually brought in needlepoint to help three weeks and they haven't budged it has been our suspicion that there was some deep division. >> i guess this is as deep as it goes. >> the deliberations were taking a long time. the judge just kept telling them to go back and keep working on it. >> i did see during the trial that some of the men seemed to really have their minds made up altogether. >> we solemnly swear the testimony about you. >> we were all given pads of
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paper to take notes of things that are important, and things you want to remember and discuss early on those pads of paper the men had were thrown on the floor under their feet so it wasn't too difficult to assume how they were going to vote and then in the middle of all the deliberations, we had the northridge earthquake. the earthquake hit at 4:31 a.m. pacific time. it measured 6.6 on the richter scale this was a bomb. >> it went off under our complex picked it up and threw it back down 12ft and crushed these first floor apartments within four seconds. >> it was really, really scary for everyone. >> several of you sustained property damage at your homes. dislocation because of the earthquake. we all want to determine whether or not the earthquake and its aftermath is having any impact on where you can't form a unanimous decision. >> a lot of the jurors did have problems that they needed to attend to. so i don't think it
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helped the prosecution to have that earthquake at all the court finds that there is no reasonable probability of the jury reaching a unanimous decision in this case therefore, i find that the jury is hopelessly deadlocked and the court declares a mistrial it turns out that the verdict was that there was no verdict, and in fact, it was a hung jury. >> it was disheartening that it was a hung jury. everybody wants to see an ending to a good story and there was no ending to this story. >> how deadlocked were they? >> how deadlocked do you have to be? >> when i first heard the jury hung i believed not necessarily that they bought into the theory of abuse but that they were unsure and, you know what? >> if they were unsure, they should have hung. >> let's just all thank our lucky stars. they didn't acquit outright. >> one of the most interesting
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facts of the jury deliberations is that all of the women jurors in both juries in the first trial voted for manslaughter and all the men voted for murder. and when i interviewed jurors after the first trial, several of the men told me a father would never do that to his sons is it a victory? >> no. i don't consider it a victory. a victory would be if my client were free. to me, that would be a victory. >> i knew early on it was going to hang, and i was hoping it would hang and not be a not guilty. i didn't want them going home. >> the da's office announced immediately that they were going to retry the brothers. >> we have an ethical, professional and moral responsibility to go forward with this case as a first degree murder case we're seeking justice and that's what we're going to do. >> gil was angry. >> they're better actors than even i thought they were. if they're able to pull it off a second time. >> so imagine that your gil garcetti, the l.a. county da, you've got one huge high profile trial that has kind of
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ended with egg on your face and right after that, literally right after that, o.j. simpson o.j. simpson is now one of our most wanted ever. >> it went through the interchange, continuing northbound on the 405 when the bronco chase was being carried live on tv. erik menendez was watching in his cell at the l.a. county jail and a few hours later, o.j. simpson came walking down the hallway in handcuffs and shackles, and he was placed in a cell right next to erik menendez. >> a year after the hung jury the la district attorney is preparing for the second. you know, take two of the menendez brothers trial and a few days before that trial is set to begin, a verdict comes down in the o.j. simpson case. >> the verdict is in the los angeles jury found o.j. simpson not guilty of the murders of nicole brown and ronald goldman. >> the o.j. simpson verdict was yet another crushing loss for the l.a. district attorney's
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office. we are, all of us, profoundly disappointed with the verdict i don't think anybody can question but that the da's office needed a victory. you're talking about two first degree murders of a mother and father committed by their children. and be with how much money it's going to cost. we're going to seek justice in this case, the public in the menendez trial number two was in no mood to hear any excuses oh, my dad did this. >> boo hoo hoo. they were like, uh we're done with that. and i think the o.j. case had a lot to do with that. people were fed up, fed up with people coming up with excuses for violent crimes. >> the pretrial publicity, the negative publicity, the fact that the menendez brothers are a joke in this country, that's a problem. there's a bad there's bad vibes out there towards them. >> we have now seen the defendants take their best shot. we know exactly where they're going. there are no more surprises
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episodes of how it really happened. there are six capsules missing. there are three people dead. >> what possibly could have happened to these very young very healthy people? >> it wasn't just about tampering, it was about evil. >> new york city became so enthralled with this case. >> mother and son murdering people. >> why do they do it it's pathological. >> how it really happened. tomorrow at nine on cnn eligible. >> owners can receive up to $2,000 on a new gv70 or gv80 exclusively at your local genesis retailers. >> i was stuck unresolved depression symptoms were in my way. i needed more for my antidepressant vraylar helped give it a lift. >> adding vraylar to an antidepressant is clinically proven to help relieve overall
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>> my professional judgment the evidence warrants a conviction of murder in the first degree. >> clear desperation for a conviction win one for the gipper. >> the gipper being district attorney gil garcetti, whose office has been criticized for losing a string of high profile cases recently including that of rapper snoop doggy dogg, o.j. simpson and the original menendez trials so needed in the l.a. >> district attorney's office. it wasn't an easy time in the da's office. we were getting buffeted a lot. you read the stories that basically we couldn't win anything. >> television? >> yep like it? >> don't like it? i love television right in the courtroom. no, i don't and in orenthal james simpson not guilty of the o.j. >> simpson case had just ended and one thing that came out of the o.j. simpson case was that nobody wanted to put cameras in
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the courtroom again after that weeks before the second trial started that he was not going to allow the camera in the courtroom in order for tv stations to cover menendez two, they had to go old school and bring in a sketch artist but the way it turned out is people were still wanting to hear every detail of this case ten, nine, eight, seven and so every time there was a break in court, i would go outside on the courthouse steps and report live everything that happened in the courtroom. >> the prosecution is differing this time in that they are focusing so much on the really gruesome, ugly details of what two shotguns can do to two people. >> and the big, big, big change was that david kahn took over as the prosecutor. >> this is a clear cut case of first degree murder, and we hope that we will convince a jury of that this time around.
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>> i thought, i'm not doing this trial again. i don't have to do this trial again. and so that's when i said, you know, i'd rather eat chew ground glass for a year than try this case again david was absolutely no nonsense his idea from the get go was facts. >> facts facts. what happened here and who is responsible. >> the molestation began he had the benefit of knowing what happened in the first trial. he just said that was our secret to be able to craft what would happen in the second trial. >> i think that we have now seen the defendants take their best shot. we have the advantage of hindsight. we know exactly where they're going. there are no more surprises. >> our starting point is that david and i never believed for a moment that they were abused. >> there is no medical evidence whatsoever to corroborate the claim of the defendants. there are no eyewitnesses. so how can they really say that the defendants are telling the truth concerning the allegations? >> the facts were when you look at them and you analyze them objectively, they don't
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support abuse allegations of abuse, that deadlock, the first series are largely banned from the second trial, much to my shock the second trial, the rules completely changed all this information about the sexual abuse and the terror and sadism the judge ruled was >> the judge just whittles away at our defense, makes it smaller and smaller and smaller, and this jury doesn't have as much information as the last jury has had as a juror you are stuck, for better or worse, with the testimony and with the evidence that you're allowed to see. i'm not able to make my decision based on facts that i couldn't see david kahn's plan in the second trial was to shut leslie abramson down at every turn major motions. objection minor motions. objection. >> was taking place in the courtroom. today was a clear effort on the part of the prosecution to prevent this jury from hearing the truth of eric's life constant objection he objected when there was anything that would show the
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brothers in sort of a innocent light. i objected because i don't think that the judge has to allow a witness to cry as much as he wants to. well everyone just sits in the courtroom waiting for him to stop such an obvious ploy that they're trying to dehumanize you know, these brothers in order to desperately get a conviction she was definitely cut off at every turn, because by now, the prosecutors knew that this was her strategy. >> and i think she felt like the judge wasn't fair to her. >> the same kind of objections were not made in the first trial by prosecutors, who were far more mature and wise and experienced and professional than mr. kahn is. i think he's a punk back in the jury room and finally start to deliberate. >> it they had almost all the votes in place. >> i said well, it's later in
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the afternoon and the defendants would have to come back and all the attorneys we could be here until that point it was decided, okay, we'll finish up in the morning and see how it goes. >> the next morning we show up and two of our fellow jurors were not there the jury forewoman had a heart attack and another juror on that same and we would have to begin deliberations all over eric did tell me that the stress of the trial was so severe that by the second time around, it was almost more than they can do he's ever done this for a living james was famous for winning races james believes that change wins it's the economy, stupid i ain't apologizing to no one.
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down we got notice that there was a verdict. everybody came out to hear what the verdict was going to be, because that would finally be the ending of the story. >> it's about to happen it's about to happen the new foreperson was sitting right next to me, and i just remember his hands shaking when it came time. all the attention in the courtroom was on us the jury has reached guilty verdicts on first degree murder for both brothers, for the charges of killing both their mother and their father it wasn't going to be an undecided jury anymore the jury has convicted the menendez brothers of first degree murder. >> they will spend the rest of their lives in prison. >> congratulations. i really can't say jesus it was good for morale. >> i will say that we want justice to be done. >> the guilty verdicts were
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read one by one, and there was absolute silence throughout. leslie abramson was very silent when the second jury came back guilty. i went into the dumper because they won and i didn't, and it was hard. >> it was just personally very devastating there was pathology in that household. >> did jose and kitty deserve to be murdered for it no. absolutely not did eric and lyle deserve to be sent to prison for it satisfied that the criminal justice system really did justice in this case, and that a lesser sentence would have been more appropriate we did think there was psychological abuse to some extent, sexual abuse. >> i don't think we will ever know if that's true or not. >> it was also an area that did
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not necessarily have to be answered to reach a verdict. >> i have no doubts. i did my job with the evidence that we were allowed to consider. i came to the right decision. >> personally, i think it's a good thing we finally got a verdict in this case. i think that leslie abramson in particular, on behalf of on behalf of eric menendez, may have a pretty decent appellate argument after the sentencing on the issue of whether the judge in fact cut her case or gutted her case, the legal part is over. >> but the human part continues as the years go by. i think of those guys in their eight by ten cells. for the rest of their lives. what a waste. they had everything to the same prison so they could be together and the beverly hills police opposed that because they said they were coconspirators and therefore they might conspire to commit another crime. i have not spoken to lyle in over
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in over ten years. the last time i saw lyle, we were he was 3:00 in the morning and we were put in separate vans the brothers are both in prison in california. >> they're in their 40s now, which is so hard to imagine because you think of them as the boys that they were portrayed as during the first trial. >> i was able to meet eric in person when he was sentenced to folsom i don't even know how to explain what it was like we were establishing a bond of some kind, which has continued all through these years, and our trial was over in 1994. so i'm talking about a lot of years the interesting thing about eric in prison is that he has really thrived, and he is become the person responsible for the prisoners that are working in the hospice unit. he's taking college courses
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and he is getting straight a's. >> lyle has had a more stormy course in prison. he can be arrogant and he can be manipulative and narcissistic and he tends to alienate other prisoners they've both married behind bars, although i don't believe they're allowed conjugal visits. i think lyle has been married twice, actually we're back with eric menendez and tammy menendez. >> they are married. they are happily married. >> i can't see my life without eric. he's my best friend and he's a really good person. >> tammy and i talk about what happened that night, and i tell her love has allowed me to to really begin the long road to healing at the end of it all the menendez brothers were sentenced both to life in prison, but still what their motive was and whether or not killing their parents was actually justified.
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yes, i do, i after iteration of their stories and i went through believing them and not believing them i've never been able to come to my own conclusion about exactly why it happened i always thought that lyle was the pathological problem. >> he was the older brother. he exerted incredible, if not undue influence on his younger brother eric was probably smarter than lyle, even though he didn't go to princeton. >> eric was more conniving. >> i feel like this was lyle's show and eric followed, and that's why he was more distraught the whole time. >> do you ever regret what you did? >> immensely so immensely so. >> if he hadn't felt such guilt over what they did, they
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probably wouldn't even be in prison today because no one would have known that they were the murderers they just did it because they were little and greedy ones at that not a day goes by when i don't wish i could undo this, when i could bring them back. it's my unending regret and in a sense, it's my real prison to present their full abuse defense in their second trial, lyle and eric menendez challenged their life sentence convictions from prison they lost in 2005in the u.s. >> court of appeals but now a new california statute could possibly give lyle and eric one final chance at freedom penal code 1473.5 cites jailed abuse victims who are unable to present their full defense can, quote, seek a new trial or a reduced sentence. the brothers have until january 1st, 2020, to file. i'm hill harper, thanks for watching
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