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whole idea is to get all of us tuned in and thank you for watching news night cnn's coverage continues next tonight on 360. >> the president elect stands by his choice for attorney general even as confidential files, including an accuser's deposition, are breached by a hacker and may become public. >> also tonight, touting his nine daytime emmys. trump pages dr. oz to oversee medicare and medicaid, which covers nearly 150 million americans. and the kremlin lowers the bar for using nuclear weapons and says ukraine fired american missiles deep inside russia. good evening. thanks for ethics committee is expected to discuss the fate of its report on matt gaetz the former florida congressman who's both accused of having sex with a minor and donald trump's choice for attorney general of the united states. donald trump shows no sign of changing his mind. as we first reported last night, he's calling senators who will have to vote on the nomination including north dakota's kevin cramer standing there next to elon musk at today's spacex launch in

texas. the president elect was asked about gaetz, just a few minutes later mr. president, are you reconsidering the nomination of matt gaetz? >> no how far are you willing to go to get him confirmed? >> well, as you saw, he didn't answer that. as for gaetz himself, cnn has learned that he's also been calling senators and will be visiting with some on the hill tomorrow. at the same time, some of the confidential material used by the ethics committee may be out in the wild somewhere. multiple sources tell us that someone gained unauthorized access to deposition with a woman who says she had sex with gaetz when she was 17 years old. and tonight the lawyer for two accusers sat down with cnn's erin burnett, joel leppard told his clients, told the ethics committee that gaetz paid his clients about $10,000 for sex over two years, and that there are allegations he believed represent only a fraction of what the committee has learned. >> you have to understand that my clients are only two out of the over dozen witnesses that testified. i

and so what i'm telling you is just a fraction of the evidence that's available. of the thousands of documents the and the 25 subpoenas, 12 witnesses. >> so that's and i guess that's a crucial part of this. >> the house to make its decision on releasing their full report. do you think the allegations you're talking about here in detailing, which have to do with your two clients, are a large chunk of their report, or do you think that this is the tip of the iceberg? >> well i do think that it's probably the tip of the iceberg. >> again, the president elect is standing by gaetz. so is elon musk, who posted this about him on social media, quoting now matt gaetz has three critical assets that are needed for the a.g. role. a big brain, a spine of steel and an ax to grind. he is the judge dredd america needs to clean up a corrupt system and put powerful bad actors in prison. gaetz, he concludes, will be our hammer of justice, which may sound like the name of a pro wrestler, but linda mcmahon, who co-founded what

would become the wwe wrestling empire tapped to become the next secretary of education. and once again tonight, a lot happening both in the open and behind the scenes, which is why we start things off with cnn's kaitlan collins, anchor of the source at the top of the hour. so, kaitlan, we heard the president elect saying he's not second guessing his choice of matt gaetz. what are you hearing about what's going on behind the scenes well, yeah, anderson, i mean, he's not until he is. >> that's kind of how things work in trump's orbit, where he'll stand by someone. we've seen this before, but that doesn't necessarily mean that that will always be the case. right now it is certainly the case behind the scenes. we've been talking to trump's allies and advisers all day about this and what this is going to look like. and right now, the president elect is willing to use his political capital to to stand by his pick for the attorney general. he wants to see him confirmed. he has doubted his chances of actually getting he's being told the truth by his advisers as they as they've been having conversations with republicans on capitol hill but right now, anderson, they are

standing behind him. we're seeing senator jd vance who is the vice president elect, go up with matt gaetz and these other nominees to capitol hill in the coming days. they're going to be trying to meet with these republican senators and trying to convince them to at least give them a chance to to consider this nomination, to not be opposed to it right away. but that comes as we're also seeing more republican senators come out and say, this idea of a recess appointment or sidestepping the senate confirmation process and having that confirmation hearing is just not going to work with them. thom tillis just said that a few moments ago to reporters on capitol hill saying that he doesn't believe anyone should want to be confirmed in a high profile position by recess and that the senate should not. you know, get rid of its one responsibility here in terms of vetting these nominees to do so. so i think that's really the question here is not necessarily whether trump is standing by him. it's whether the senate republicans are going to be willing enough to vote for him. and we've heard some skeptical voices at mar-a-lago tonight about whether or not that's going to happen. they have a very clear eyed view, anderson, of how this is all shaping out right

now is the trump team expecting any pushback on the choices of mehmet oz to run medicare and or oversee medicare and run the department of education? we've heard from some of them who say, you know, when you look at the slate of picks here, because there are these more controversial nominees that are getting all of the attention right now, it could help the others sail through. i mean, these are some of these nominees who four years ago or eight years ago, anderson would not have had an easy confirmation process. i mean, trump making his personal attorney, naming him as the deputy attorney general would have been considered controversial a few months ago or a few weeks ago. but now, given how these dynamics have shaken out, he has shifted the spectrum here and where these senators are operating from and what they're looking at with mehmet senate unsuccessfully in 2022, but he is being tapped to lead a very powerful agency in the centers for medicare and medicaid services. i mean, it insures about 150 million

americans, and it operates under the tent of hhs, which, of course, trump has nominated rfk jr. to run. so if both of those individuals get confirmed, they would be leading figures within that department. and i think that is going to be how you're seeing senators look at this, because they are deeply familiar with mehmet oz, not just because he tried to join that body. a few years ago, but he was actually called to a senate panel about a decade ago anderson, where he was grilled by senators on on his promotion of weight loss drugs that were not proven to work using his his tv personality and so they're looking at all of that right now but anderson, it's moving very quickly here as they're trying to to finish these other positions i should note jd vance has confirmed last night he and trump were looking and interviewing potential candidates to be the fbi director. that is the clearest signal yet that trump plans to fire chris wray, who still has three years left of his ten year term, that trump appointed him to. yeah. >> kaitlan collins thanks very much. we'll see you on the sauce at the top of the hour. we'll have more on dr. oz in

shortly. but first gates, the gates pick and how far the president elect may be willing to go for it. joining us republican strategist shermichael singleton, former pennsylvania republican congressman charlie dent and journalist gretchen carlson, co-founder of the organization lift our voices. i mean, gretchen, given the kind of drip, drip on this so far and who knows if this thing has been hacked, what may come out, how far do you think the president elect will go to keep gates? yeah. >> look, i think the headline in this whole story is being vastly undersold. >> it's interesting to me that three of trump's top three picks have sexual misconduct allegations against them. you know, as an advocate for women and girls on these issues and on behalf of so many women, we find it highly offensive that that's not an automatic disqualifier. off the bat. and the idea that that can just be brushed aside and never mentioned, and that matt gaetz is going to be a hammer for justice. well that's why releasing this report is so important. there are survivors of sexual misconduct in congress so i'm hoping that

they have a conscience along with other people. you know, you have senators grassley and cornyn, republicans, on senate judiciary, which is responsible for investigating these appointees or nominations they're asking for the house ethics report to be released and if it's not tomorrow, look, there are other ways this could happen. it could be leaked and it could also be shared in secret over at the house. if the senators just went over to look at it, the congressman. >> do you think if the house ethics chair or you were the former house ethics chair, do you think if the committee is meeting proceeds as scheduled tomorrow, that the gates report will be released? i mean, we should remind people the ethics committee is is pretty unique. it's evenly split between republicans and democrats. >> well, hard to say what the committee will do. i don't think the speaker did. michael guest michael guest the chairman of the committee who's a good man, put him in a tough spot. but look, this this report, i believe, does need to be released ordinarily, when a member of congress is resigns

because of a scandal, they usually go away quietly. they go about the business of reconstructing their lives you know, relationships with family members and their reputations. they don't get elevated to the attorney general of the united states, the top law enforcement officer of the country, and we have, as gretchen pointed out, the united states senate as part of their official record and official duties in this confirmation process. want to see this report before they vote on this? really important position? >> congressman, you do know you are referring to a time when there was shame. >> well yeah, i understand that, anderson but but still look matt gaetz, there are ways to get this report out if the committee chooses not to send it out a member can go to the floor of the house and make a motion essentially, to have it released from the committee and then then it would be there would be a vote of the full house. and given the fact that matt gaetz doesn't have a whole lot of friends in the house of

representatives, i suspect that motion would pass overwhelmingly so i think it would behoove everybody if they just simply released it. i was chairman of the committee. there is plenty of precedent for releasing reports of former members, one for sexual misconduct in 1990, the individual was involved with a sex with a 16 year old, and the report was released after he resigned and there are other cases like that. so i don't understand what the big fuss is. >> sure, michael, i mean, elon musk is saying it's great that gaetz has a quote ax to grind. i mean, is that a great quality to have in an attorney >> well, look, i think the president elect has been pretty clear about what he expects out of many of the individuals he's appointed, and that is to completely shake up many of these agencies particularly the department of justice based on his experience as his legal experience as that is. >> and he's pretty been pretty clear that he believes federal prosecutors have too much influence, too much power, and a significant amount of discretion that he would like to see changed and limited and

i think a lot of americans would probably agree with that. as a political strategist, however, i'm looking at this from two different perspectives. >> if you're do you think a lot of americans would agree that it's good to have an ax to grind? >> i think a lot of americans would agree that the department of justice needs to radically be changed, anderson. i mean, i think if you found yourself prosecuted on trumped up charges, let's say you're not a wealthy individual or a powerful individual. such as the president elect. you would probably look at the criminal justice system and say, this system does not work for the vast majority of people particularly if you're poor. that's my point. >> wait, but do you think but do you think gates is being sent there to cure the ills of the criminal justice system as it relates to people who are underserved and can't afford attorneys, which is certainly a valid point that yes obviously, you know, if you have a can afford an attorney, you have a better chance. somebody gets a public defender who are overworked and understaffed. but i don't think that's what he's aiming to do. do you? >> well, i think the president elect's premise is pretty clear on this point radically transform and shake up the

agency. and i think a part of shaking up the agency would be indeed limiting the power of some of those federal prosecutors who have a which oftentimes go unchecked. and so we could argue whether or not gates or someone else is the best person to move forward with that agenda. but i think the premise of the agenda remains consistent, whether it's gates or ultimately someone else who's confirmed by the u.s. senate. >> congressman, just to respond to that, i mean, as somebody who served is an ax to grind, a quality you want in an attorney general no. >> absolutely not. in fact, you want an attorney general who's going to exercise measured judgment and discretion. you know this is these are really this is a really powerful position. and you need somebody there who's who's not going there to torch the place to burn it down. i mean, sure, the department of justice needs reform. like so many of our departments do, but we have people there who i just you

just can't have somebody in there who does have an ax to grind and wants to destroy the place. i mean, they're upset about what the trump is being prosecuted over his handling of classified documents. had i done that i'd have been taken out in handcuffs as a member of congress. i mean, that's what i'm trying to understand. i mean, what's what's the problem here gretchen, it does seem for you know, obviously, the former the former president, now the president elect has railed about the weaponization of the fbi, the department of justice i mean, setting up matt gaetz to be the attorney general with an ax to grind. >> i mean, that that is a weapon that serves right into trump's dialog about what he was going to do, right? >> and we've said from the start, at least i have that i believe everything he says he said, we're going to get rid of the enemy within. and he feels he was and he somehow convinced a heck of a lot of voters that that was the case. so i guess he's looking at this like an eye for an eye. he's going to put somebody in there and get his justice. but i still go back to

what i said earlier is that we should be discussing what disqualifies gates from the beginning, which is this sexual misconduct charge potentially and the report should be released shermichael. >> i mean, if the gates nomination does get pulled or he's defeated in the senate, is there a political cost to the president elect? i mean, doesn't really. i guess in the past there might have been, but it doesn't seem like there would be with this. do you think so? no, i don't think so. >> i mean look, kaitlan collins and at the top of the show, advised or reported how many of the advisors, i should say have advised the president elect on how this may go? he's clearly standing behind gates as it currently stands. he has the political capital and the momentum. i would argue, to do so. but they're also advising president elect. there's a good chance that this may not move forward the way we want. i'm almost certain if they're good advisers and many of them absolutely are they're experienced political practitioners they're likely already looking at other individuals to present to the president elect to say, hey, here's some alternatives in case we do lose this battle.

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people donald trump wants to head up. >> some of the most important positions in the cabinet, and his administration matt gaetz his attorney general, fox news host pete hegseth, a defense tulsi gabbard to be director of national intelligence. fox host sean duffy to lead the department of transportation and now another tv personality, doctor mehmet oz, to run the centers for medicare and medicaid services. according to the kaiser family foundation, medicare and medicaid cover close to 150 million americans with a combined budget of about $1.4 trillion, according to the congressional budget office. cms oversees both as well as the affordable health care act marketplaces. now, in the first trump administration, dr. oz served on the president's council on sports, fitness and nutrition. he has no experience running a large government or private organization. he was very popular on tv, daytime tv for a time, and in the early days of the pandemic touted the drug hydro hydroxychloroquine, which doesn't work against covid 19. columbia university cut ties you may remember with him several years after a group of colleagues accused him of manifesting quote, an egregious

lack of integrity by promoting quack treatments and cures in the interest of personal financial gain this came after he was chastised, chastised at a senate hearing for hyping weight loss products with language like this >> now i've got the number one miracle in a bottle. >> how can i burn fat? this miracle pill? >> dr. oz i will have some tough questions for you today about your role. >> did the deceptive practices then coming out of that change, how you've conducted your shows why would you say that something is a miracle in a bottle? >> my job, i feel on the show is to be a cheerleader for the audience at the same hearing dr. oz elaborated on why he touted some of the products he did despite the lack of scientific evidence they actually worked i actually do personally believe in the items that i talk about in the show. i passionately study them. i recognize that oftentimes they don't have the scientific muster to present as fact, but nevertheless, i would give my audience the advice i give my

family all the time. and i've given my family these products, specifically the ones you mentioned then i then i'm comfortable with that part where i do think i've made it more difficult for the ftc. is that an intent to engage viewers? i use flowery language. i used language that was very passionate but it ended up not being helpful. but incendiary, and it provided fodder for unscrupulous advertisers there doing the questioning was minnesota democrat amy klobuchar. >> she joins us now. thanks so much for being with us. first, i watch anderson. what do you make of the choice of dr. oz to oversee medicare and medicaid? i mean, in normal times, i guess it would be like the lead, but given the other folks who are being you know, matt gaetz and hegseth and others, uh, how does this compare? >> well, i you know, we're getting a lot of tv personalities so i know you got your name in there for maybe like fbi or something, like that. >> yes, that's going to happen. >> i just think you know, people should have hearings and

you get to the bottom of all this. and that was a way back moment, remembering claire and i cross-examining uh, dr. oz about some of these claims. and this is a very serious and intense job, as you can imagine, running these major programs, which are a lifeline for so many people. and there are all kinds of very intense issues when it comes to what's covered, what's paid for. and so i've worked with that agency a number of times. and for one thing, let me start with what i said at the beginning. you need hearings for these people because that's when you find out what their views are on medicaid. what are their views? what do they think their assisted living paid for things like that so i think it's very important that we have these hearings and figure this out. >> there are some you you know, maybe matt gaetz is sort of a sacrificial lamb that everybody will be focused on that and not have the bandwidth or the ammunition to go after

and try to look at the records of and really put up a fight against the nomination of some of the other you know, hegseth or tulsi gabbard how what can democrats actually do? i mean, how much can they, you know, presidents deserve to have the people they want to have around them. how much leverage do the democrats have well, it's not just democrats it's republicans as well. >> if you look at the pushback on matt gaetz, you have people like john cornyn asking for that ethics report. you have lisa murkowski voicing concerns. you have a conservative like kevin cramer from north dakota saying that it's a long shot and remember, they have the votes now and they are going to have to make a decision case of matt gaetz that you want running an agency, the department of justice, frontline law enforcement, 115,000 people charged with going after internet scams and charged with going after fentanyl rings. and so that's why this is a pretty serious

job for everyone, not just democrats. but of course, we must have these hearings. we must ask the questions, and we must do the checks on people's backgrounds. that's why i am so off about this ethics report do they really? when the speaker says it shouldn't be released? and i hope it's released tomorrow, are they asking the senate to then recreate with precious taxpayer money recreate that entire report? what does that mean? i guess we have the same fbi people asking the same questions going to the same witnesses to get to the bottom of all of these allegations involving matt gaetz. >> do you think matt gaetz? um, i mean, do you think he actually do you do you think he can actually make it through >> i think this is one where you've started to see republicans standing up but democrats have a clear role here. and we also have a very important role when it comes to next year when we look at some of these tax breaks for the wealthiest people and what that's going to mean for the

debt, and are we going to make sure that the prescription drug benefit which is so important right now to our seniors that that is actually implemented? we have all kinds of things. we're going to do. but i do want to stress when it comes to these nominees that the republicans are going to have to take responsibility for this and look at these people carefully. this doesn't mean we oppose every single one of them. i predict we won't. i think there will be some democrats will vote for some and they won't vote for others. but there's some that are so egregious, like matt gaetz, that you see this outcry but whatever it is, we the bottom because these people are going to be managing major major groups of employees yes, that's important, but also things that matter to the american people matter to our veterans, matter to anyone that's on prescription drugs. and they want to make sure they're getting a good price. so we got to remember that this is truly about our job by the constitution advice and consent. we take it seriously.

>> senator klobuchar, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> it's great to be on. thanks anderson. >> joining me now is cnn senior political commentator adam kinzinger. congressman, you just heard senator klobuchar take on the gaetz nomination. how it may play out. what do you see happening particularly with that ethics report yeah, i mean, look it's i've still got to imagine the ethics report makes its way out. >> i'm assuming the ethics committee is going to take a vote. obviously, they're split even. it would take one republican to agree with the democrats to release it. but again, as the senator was saying, i mean, they can just recreate that. but it's going to take a lot of work, and you're putting the victims through this again too, which is another big thing. so i have a hard time seeing how gaetz gets through. i think donald trump truly wants him in this idea of a sacrificial lamb. i don't think that's the case. keep in mind, matt gaetz resigned from congress, so gave up that job for this. but the problem is it's this fire hose effect. there are so many bad nominees to these positions that i think unfortunately, the republicans probably only have

it in them to take down one, maybe two, possibly three, but not all the bad nominations. and that's that may be intentional. >> is it clear to you what qualifications doctor oz would have to oversee medicare and medicaid for approximately 150 million americans? i know the president elect's press release mentioned the tv show, the daytime emmys hegseth, he mentioned, you know, his number one book sales you know, it was obviously don't have anything to do with the day to day running of a massive organization no. >> absolutely not. and keep in mind, medicare and medicaid obviously is very complex. he's going to be asked a lot of questions. we had oversight in this in the committee i was on. and energy and commerce, and i mean, the head of cms was asked a lot of very detailed questions, and they had to have a lot of very detailed answers. and this is again, what people that live in poverty and also senior citizens rely on day to day. and they're literally putting at the helm somebody

who's on television television, but to go run cms because you recommend that people eat four servings of vegetables a day and you know honey from their local bees and not, you know, bees from wegener's or wegmans, whatever he called it. i mean, that that doesn't make you is it's almost like government feels like a big joke, like, lol, you know elon musk names the department of government efficiency doge because a dogecoin giggle and you know, it's unfortunately there's going to be real effects for real people. >> what do you make of elon musk's role in all this? i mean, it's yeah. what do you make of it? >> it's look, it's strange i mean, i totally see why it's the case you know, look, people with power and money have been, you know, close to presidents in the past. it's. so of course, you can kind of see it from that perspective. but look, this is all donald trump likes. being around famous people. you know, elon musk is famous. he's powerful. he's influential. donald trump likes that. i don't know if this ends

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the map report to hear what they expect from four more years of trump. here's john right now shanen ebersole loves her land and her cows rain or shine. >> sometimes. if you want to play cowboy, you got to do cowboy things like >> her vote for donald trump, a vote to protect her way of life. >> the vast majority of people who voted for trump are not the far right crazies that is not who we are we're simple americans who want to live our lives and do our jobs and make our own choices and our own homes and we want that for our neighbors who feel differently than us to you have to be an optimist to ebersole says she hopes trump sees his mandate as the economy and the border hopes he understands a lot of his campaign talk about the enemy within and retribution. we have

spoken. we are not letting him be a bully, but we want him to stand firm. >> she is more bullish about trump now than when we first met. back then, trump had competition in the iowa caucuses and ebersol wanted a republican who could be both president and role model. >> he didn't bring us together because of the divisiveness because of my liberal friends that were literally scared for their safety but when trump rolled to the nomination, ebersole's choice was easy because of biden-harris farm and climate policies. >> trump won 75% of the vote here in rural ringgold county. >> we felt as though washington and the far edges of our country were governing the rest of middle america. >> okay, come over here. >> betsy sarcone is another now proud trump voter who initially wanted something very different. so how did you get from i can't take it. i'll vote for biden to i'm going to vote for donald trump. and i'm actually relieved and happy

about it. >> i think i've come to the conclusion that i don't love donald trump as a person but i do think that he is right for the country right now and that he is going to chart a different course and we're currently on betsy sarcone lives in the des moines suburbs, says her real estate business is slow, and she hopes trump somehow helps lower grocery prices. >> also high on her wish list. >> i'm a mom, single mom of three kids, so that does make a huge difference in my life. >> mia betsy sarcone finds some of trump's cabinet picks disappointing, but she frames it this way she could not support vice president harris so now she thinks she has to be patient with the president elect, whose calling card is unpredictable. >> the kristi noem, the matt gaetz not necessarily excited about it. um worried? i wouldn't say i'm worried. i voted for change, as did the majority of the people and that's what we're going to get. so i don't think worrying about it every day is going to do me any good. >> the trump won the popular vote emboldens his most fervent

supporters. people like chris mudd. >> i think it's important that we round up every illegal and ship them out, and we have to come we have to figure out a way to get them back to work. i do believe that we do need immigration. the country needs be legal. >> what would you say to democrats who say that they are literally fearful that they think the mass deportations mean spirited, or they think his ads about, you know transgender americans were mean? and what would you say to them? >> i would say, get over it. um you know, there's i don't believe that there's anything to be scared of mud owns midwest solar, a startup that benefited from biden clean energy incentives. >> his vote for trump could hurt his business. >> it's possible. but like i've said since i started talking to you, i sell value. i'm selling saving money. i'm not selling the green energy side of the business. i'm selling value some big solar jobs require parts made in china, but again, mud says trump should go full steam ahead with trade tariffs. most

of our stuff is tariff free. so i want to see more more products and services get built in this country. i want to see our pharmaceuticals get produced here instead of in china i think that we need an american economy that's building things creating things. >> trump's critics call it sloganeering, but the america first thing echoes in the small cities and rural outposts where trump ran strongest. >> why are we bringing argentinian beef in? why are we bringing new zealand and australian beef in and then exporting some of our beef? why don't we first just feed our beef to our americans maisie helps keep the cows on track in the pastures tia is a show cow so grooming is an everyday chore. let me live my life in the middle of nowhere where there's more cows than there are people. doordash isn't a thing pizza delivery is not a thing. you can't even get pizza delivered. hey, mama's

ebersol's hope is that trump changes a lot in washington and leaves her happy place just as it is i just stand here and watch my cows and enjoy it john king joins us now. >> i said it before the first time you met with her, that her farm is beautiful it's great that you've been in, you know, such frequent communication. how much has changed? >> well, the biggest thing among the trump voters, both of the women you saw in that piece, were haley's supporters. and yet they came home to trump. they say they couldn't vote for harris. they thought she was too liberal. right betsy sarcone originally was going to vote for biden. this is what has changed the most. this is what right they're the majority, not majority vote. donald trump has fallen just. but the victory in the popular vote sometimes anderson, you would meet trump voters who said, well, i have to vote for him because i can't vote for them, right? they're too liberal in shanen ebersole case, they don't understand the farm. she doesn't like the climate policies washington tells her what to do never comes. and asks now that trump has won the popular vote. now that they realize they have a lot of company, they're much more proud about it. they are much more emboldened about voting for trump, and that makes them talk about his

mandate. now they have some limits to that. most of them say you know, yes, have mass deportations and then create a system to let people come back in and work they're not anti-immigration. they want legal immigration. yes. cut taxes yes. shake up washington. they don't like this enemy within stuff. and the retribution stuff, but just their tone. there used to be people say, yeah, i'm going to vote for trump they were kind of looking around, is this okay to say i voted for trump. and i'm proud of it. >> and do they think the mandate is enough to have. so you know, i mean do they have an opinion on some of these. the characters he's proposed that part is interesting. >> betsy sarcone in that piece said matt gaetz kristi noem i was texting a little bit today about rfk and the dr. oz appointment. even chris mudd the strong trump supporter, he's been with trump from the beginning, so i'm not a huge fan of dr. oz. but here's what they say about it. they voted for him to shake up washington, and they're going to give him grace with his picks. it doesn't mean they'll support every one of them. i think this is the big test. they are pumped up right now. trump supporters are pumped up. they won he won the popular vote. he won every one of the battleground states they are

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repeatedly tonight in the bryansk region is, of course, a escalation and it's impossible to use these high tech missiles without the americans. and putin has spoken about this many times and now putin has reacted. breaking news on kremlin controlled tv after the russian president signed an order changing the country's nuclear doctrine. the use of western missiles for strikes into the strategic depths of russia means direct involvement of nato in the war. the host says and now moscow's hands are untied. among the changes the russians now consider attacks by non-nuclear nations like ukraine with the help of nuclear nations like the u.s., worthy of a nuclear response, at least on paper. the spokesman for the kremlin says the reason why the russians decided to update their nuclear doctrine is still potential adversaries of russia know that retaliation will be inevitable

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from moscow. >> how are american officials responding to this updated russian doctrine >> anderson. yeah, american officials are saying that they are, quote, unsurprised by this new russian change in this doctrine. in fact they say that rhetoric around all of this has been building up over the past couple of weeks. and, you know indeed, we have been seeing a campaign by the kremlin essentially trying to dissuade the biden administration from making the decision that it has now made to allow the ukrainians to use those weapons to strike deep into russian territory. more importantly, even the officials saying that they have not detected any movement in russia's nuclear forces or a change in posture. the russians for their part, however, are saying that they believe this completely changes the nature of this entire war in ukraine, making it essentially a confrontation between russia and the west russia and the united states. >> anderson fred pleitgen, thanks so much. the latest episode of all there is my podcast about grief and loss just got posted wherever you get your podcasts. my guest is writer andrew sullivan, who

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grief he feels over that and his experiences as a gay man in the early 1990s, at the height of the aids conversation what year did you find out that you were hiv positive? >> 93. >> there were four guys that i knew and became really fond of who died, and my best friend died. his name was patrick may he was from the panhandle of florida, big southern family, of course, wasn't even out to his family as a gay person when he found out he had aids. patrick died at 31. he took his ashes to this little extremely conservative southern town, and we poured them into the bay where he used to swim he had three brothers and we we put the ashes in one of his brothers said, i'm jumped into the water and as i was in the water, i could see

his ashes in the water around me beautiful my friend brad, who i dated for a while and died his parents didn't come to the funeral people didn't come to the funerals of their sons other level of of grief. the grief that you felt, you kind of at that point put it off because you had too much to do you had to be there for people. it did completely remind you of that. only one thing matters. it got rid of everything else. career money status, any of that, and that one thing that mattered was being with other

people and loving them. uh you know, that's it's it's christ's core message. i want just one. you, love. one another as i have loved you. that's it. that's the one commandment. and i still feel an intense solidarity with all those people who died. >> did you think you would die in 93 and 94 and 95? >> i thought i wouldn't live past 35 because no one did. and then i started the regimen the new regimen of drugs, which was insane. it was 32 pills a day, and it made you unbelievably sick. and then i had to quit my job. the new republic uh and then i discovered that my viral load was zero, and i was going to live. and to some extent, you know, i got really upset about younger generations because they really don't give a but i part of me was like

well, that's what we were fighting for, right? we were fighting for them not to have to worry about any of this stuff. and i think the other thing that i took from that is that we should not become obsessed with what we've lost, because you've got to live and life is right there in front of you. and the whole point of surviving this was to live, and they would not want you to sit around moping forever they wouldn't that's andrew sullivan, and you can hear more about him in the latest edition of new of all there is. >> it's available right now wherever you get your podcasts. you can also hear at our online grief community cnn.com, forward slash all there is online. you can listen to all the podcasts there. you'll be able to watch the full video version of this episode and all the recent episodes there as well. and you can connect with me and others living with grief, leaving comments and of your own, and share your own experiences. that's at cnn.com. all there is online. the video version of the interview will also be on the cnn youtube channel later tonight. i hope it makes you feel a little less lonely in your grief. thanks for watching. i'll see you tomorrow on the news continues right here on cnn