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>> the house ethics committee is weighing whether to release its findings into gaetz's past including allegations he had sex with an underage woman. plus, the issue of lgbtq rights shifting from the campaign trail to the capitol. sarah mcbride, the first out transgender person elected to congress responding to republican efforts to block her from using women's restrooms on capitol hill. and more legal trouble for rudy giuliani. >> the disgraced former new york mayor is accused of defaming again the two election workers that he already owes more than $100 million to. we are following these major developing stories and many more, all coming in right here to cnn news central high stakes discussions on capitol hill today that could make or break former congressman matt gaetz's chances to become attorney general.

>> right now, the house ethics committee is huddled behind closed doors as it weighs whether to release its report on allegations of sexual misconduct and illicit drug use against gaetz. while gaetz is holding meetings of his own with incoming vice president jd vance by his side, they've been speaking to key republican senators to make the case that gaetz deserves their support. despite the serious allegations and questions he's facing. but a growing number of those republican senators say they want to see this report before they weigh his nomination. let's take you live to capitol hill with cnn chief congressional correspondent manu raju. manu, what have you been hearing from lawmakers on this behind the scenes has been meeting with these republican senators, actually trying to rebut the allegations in this house ethics committee report. >> remember this investigation has been going on for multiple years looking into allegations of sexual misconduct illicit drug use, all of which gaetz denies. but we have not seen the details of the report. and

this committee, which is meeting in the room behind me ten members evenly divided between the house between democrats and republicans, are debating what to do with this report now that gaetz is a former member of congress. remember, he just resigned last week. the speaker of the house, mike johnson, is leaning on this committee, not to release his report, saying it would open up a pandora's box, even though there is precedent for releasing reports after members have resigned from congress. now, i caught up with the chairman of the house ethics committee, republican michael guest, as he walked into this hearing, and i asked him whether or not donald trump is leaning on him to prevent this report from coming out. and whether he supports releasing it to the public have you heard from trump or his team at all about this? observe president trump or any of his team. there are two options. >> he said, well what i'll say is, is i view a public release versus a conversation about transmittal to the senate. i think those are separate conversations that the

committee needs to discuss. >> the report actually done at this point, the report is not complete. it's not that's correct. and so how could you possibly release it if it's not done that is something that we will be talking about today. >> and that's another reason i have some reservations about releasing any unfinished work product. >> how far would you say it is from its completion? >> um, it has not gone through the review process report is essentially ready for release. >> so there's a disagreement between members on this panel. there's concerns about democrats. the republicans are trying to bury this report and prevent it from becoming public. but ultimately, in order to get this out of the committee, we'll see if they actually have a vote today where it's unclear if that will happen. if that happens, it would require one republican to join with democrats on this committee to release it to the public. as you heard from michael guest right there, he told me there are two options. there could be a public release, or they can transmit

it to the senate judiciary committee themselves. that is, those are among the issues they are debating in this critical meeting. as the gates nomination very much hanging by a thread as the uphill climb of sorts to get the votes to be confirmed because of the very issues this committee is investigating, those allegations concerning a lot of republican senators, some of whom want to see that report before they cast that critical confirmation vote early next year. of course, manu raju live outside the committee on house ethics. >> keep us posted on what comes out of that room. thanks, manu. in addition to that house ethics investigation gaetz was also the target of a yearslong sex trafficking probe by the department of justice, which ultimately ended last year with the doj declining to bring charges against time that prosecutors working on the case had recommended against charging gaetz, in part because of questions over whether central witnesses would be perceived as credible before a jury. senate judiciary democrats are now asking the fbi to release its records in the case. let's discuss with

cnn's senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. he was deputy director of the fbi. andrew great to see you as always. what do you make of this argument from republicans that because no charges the investigation didn't turn into a prosecution that led to ultimately criminal charges that there was no wrongdoing so there are many reasons why the department of justice might choose not an investigation. >> some of them might be that essential witnesses may be victims of crime are unwilling to cooperate, or it would be impossible for them to cooperate. other witnesses coconspirators co-defendants possibly might be essential to that case, which i suspect may have been the case here. but those folks are in this. in this case, you had one particular witness, the mr.. i think it was matt greenberg was the alleged kind of

coconspirator in this activity. he's already pled guilty to sex trafficking and is serving an extensive time in prison it's possible the department determined that they could not build a case without him, and he would be a terrible witness because of his own bad acts in front of the jury so none of that means the underlying predication wasn't valid to some extent. so it's not clearing him. it's simply not prosecuting him. >> democrats are trying to get their hands on some of this testimony whether through the house ethics committee or through the doj investigation. but historically, the justice department doesn't provide access to investigative materials. do you suspect that would be any different here? >> i do not. i think it's an essential principle in the department of justice and the fbi not to share sensitive investigative information outside the context of a public trial and prosecution and that's essentially the position they will likely take here. it's absolutely different. a different question when we're

saying, should the ethics committee share the the results of their investigation, which again will not lead, could not ever lead to a criminal conviction or the denial of of mr. gates's liberty, but is relevant to his character his ethics and his performance as a united states congressman. >> there are also questions about what he might intend to do as attorney general and before he was announced as trump's nominee to become ag, there were these proposals to essentially disband and abolish the fbi and atf. do you imagine that might be an actual course of action that he could pursue if he's confirmed as attorney general? what would the ramifications be for having someone like him at the head of the department of justice? >> you know, these agencies that we're talking about are not simply things dreamed up by a prior presidency or executive branch these are congressionally funded legislatively established agencies. you can't just wave

your, you know, magic attorney general hand, and it goes away overnight. so i don't think the abolishment of these institutions, first of all, it's a terrible idea and i don't think it's really possible. but what he could do is hobble them by eliminating the individuals who we rely upon, who provide the expertise and the experience to run those agencies every day in a way that all americans depend upon, and replacing them with political folks who are really not there to forward the mission. and protect the american people, but rather there to cut the legs out from under the agency to make it less effective. >> andrew mccabe, always great to get your perspective. thanks for joining us. thank you. >> of course, brianna, let's talk a little bit more about this now with republican congressman carlos gimenez of florida. sir, thank you so much for taking time to be with us. do you think the ethics committee should release their report on gaetz? >> i think that if the senate deems that that's something that they need in order to

carry out their duty of either affirming or not, or rejecting the nomination, and if they request it, i think that the ethics committee should release it. we shouldn't be a hindrance to the senate performing their duty on the nomination process so what do you make of the chairman seeming to be hesitant to release that considering you have a number of senate republicans saying they want this report, some of them even saying it would speed up the process well, i guess you know that that all depends on whether they have formally requested this information. and i would be in favor of giving the senate the information that they formally requested. i'm not sure that the that has been formally requested i know that in, in, in the media, they have said they wanted, but i'm not sure there's been a formal request for that information from the senate. >> do you think the speaker has pressured the committee not to release this report by saying that he doesn't want the committee to release the report

i'm not privy to what the speaker has said to the members of the committee. >> the committee. look, there yes you are. >> we all are. he said it publicly. >> well, i'm not privy to that. i don't know what he if he spoke to them, then fine. i mean, that's that's his prerogative. but no, he spoke to all of us. we don't we don't speak to to who? >> he said it publicly. >> i'm sorry. >> he said it publicly that he doesn't think the committee should release the report. >> well, that's publicly. yeah. okay to all of us. yeah. and then that the committee members will take that into consideration. and when they deliberate and then vote however they want to vote. so, you know, the speaker carries some weight. but again the ethics committee, the people that are part of the ethics committee are pretty independent folks. and i have confidence in in their judgment and so one of them, the chair is somebody that i have a lot of confidence in. a former prosecutor and, and i think that they'll do the right thing. >> so do you think that matt

gaetz would make a good attorney general it doesn't matter what i think the president of the united states the president elect of the united states, thinks that he'll make a good attorney general. >> look, the president has every right to choose who he wants to choose as attorney general, i have made no secret. i'm not a fan of matt gaetz. i wasn't a fan of his when he was here, and i think that he was disruptive here in in the house of representatives. but the president also thinks that things need to be shaken up at the doj and the fbi and and matt gaetz has shown if he's shown anything, that he is a disruptive force. and so, you know, the president has faith in him now it's up to the senate to determine whether they want to affirm that nomination or reject it. and that's and that's how it goes in our country. and so i expect that the the process will be followed and that we in the house should facilitate the senate and and their deliberations and how they determine whether he should be

affirmed or not. >> you speak highly of the of chairman guest of the ethics committee. do you have confidence that the ethics committee has given gaetz a fair shake, that this has been a fair process, as they have investigated him and prepared this report? >> yes, i do absolutely. do i know the people that sit at least on our side of the aisle on that ethics commission, and they are highly ethical and they are fair. and so whatever comes out of that report, i have confidence that it was done in a fair bipartisan manner because i have confidence in the in the chair and, and the members of the republican party that that sit on that ethics ethics committee and do you trust that senate republicans who are asking for the report would fairly interpret it if they had had it to see i would hope so. that's what i mean. that's why look

whatever's in the report, there's a lot of speculation about what's in the report one way or the other. i think it's going to come out. i mean somebody said that this was like the titanic here. and so it'll probably come out i do trust the republican senators to take the information and maybe witnesses et cetera., and then give matt gaetz a fair shot. that's what he's entitled to and some deference given to the to president elect donald trump because that's who he wants. doesn't mean, though, that he will automatically be appointed or affirmed by the senate. that's part of the process, and i trust the process. >> it's not just speculation at this point, though, right? i mean, you have the lawyer for women who spoke to the committee telling us what they told the committee. so that's that's more than speculation. yes. okay yes. >> no. well, actually, the speculation is what's in the report from the ethics commission. that's what i'm talking about. okay. what's in

there? that's speculation. i don't i don't know what's in there. did they find him guilty of something or did they exonerate him? i don't know, because i haven't seen the report. and nobody's spoken about it. that's what i'm talking about. that a that a attorney for one of the accusers says xyz. great but you know, attorneys have been known to not tell the truth all the time. so again, matt gaetz deserves his day. and and hopefully when matt gaetz gets his day then all relevant facts will be brought to light. and the senate can make the determination of whether he should be or not be the next attorney general. >> i take your point on the speculation. we can't really know unless we see the report. congressman jimenez, thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you ma'am. it's my pleasure. >> so ahead this hour on cnn news central, the u.s. embassy in kyiv temporarily closed amid warnings of a significant air attack. and this is happening just a day after ukraine's first use of american made

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today announcing all single sex bathrooms at the u.s. >> capitol are quote, reserved for individuals of that biological sex now that effectively bans transgender people from using them, though johnson does not outline a plan for how he would enforce that kind of rule this all started with republican representative nancy mace, who introduced a bill to prevent her soon to be colleague sarah mcbride from using the women's restrooms when she becomes the first openly trans person in congress next year i'm absolutely a 100% going to stand in the way of any man who wants to be in a women's restroom in our locker rooms, in our changing rooms. >> i will be there fighting you every step of the way mcbride responded to mesa's bill on x writing, every day americans go to work with people who have life journeys different than their own and engage with them

respectfully. >> i hope members of congress can muster that same kindness and joining us now is actress and transgender rights advocate laverne cox. laverne, thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. you hear this bill that's being proposed proposed by congresswoman nancy this for having me and thank you for having an actual trans person come on to discuss trans issues. >> it feels kind of revolutionary these days. perhaps other media outlets will take note what i think is for me is really important to remember in this moment. um particularly with the mace, this mace moment and just the overall tenor of the anti-trans backlash that we've been seeing in the media over the past several years is that we have to be able to hold a couple of things, um, that are maybe contradictory. at the same time, how wonderful that the citizens of sarah mcbride

district said, we want you to represent us in congress and sent her and had her come make history as the first trans person to serve in congress. and then that happened in an environment where over $215 million was spent in anti-trans ads. um an insane amount of money to stigmatize and dehumanize transgender people. so right now, what i'm most interested in is the state and the condition of trans people what this does is it emboldens people who are anti-trans, who want to be bigoted, to bully um, a washington post article earlier this year noted that this is even before election season fully kicked in that because of all the anti trans and anti lgbtq legislation on the state level, that bullying of lgbtq plus young people had quadrupled. we should also note that the trevor project, which is a major organization that prevents, um lgbtq plus suicide

in young people and provides amazing services. they have a hotline and their, um calls increased 700% after the election trans people are afraid lgbtq plus people are afraid right now and we have been spoken about, but we've not been spoken to. we've been deeply dehumanized. and it's so important for us as we move forward to have action items in place so that for our survival and remember that we're human, that we deserve dignity. sarah mcbride deserves dignity as she goes to serve her country in the house of representatives, and that process of rehumanization for all of those people who say they love and care about us, we have to rehumanize trans people and all the people who have been dehumanized, um, over the past several years. >> laverne, we very much appreciate having your voice and as you pointed out, representation matters in part because it helps to bridge the disconnect between folks that

may not be familiar with trans issues and the journey that some folks go on. i wonder, for those that aren't familiar, what is the impact of restrictions on bathroom access for trans people? and where do you think the apprehension or the hesitation from folks like nancy mace comes from assumption and assume people have the best of intentions, but i think if you know, if you know anything about the history of anti-trans bathroom backlash in 2016, um famously, north carolina attempted hb2 to ban trans people from the bathrooms in north carolina. >> other states had tried that in the past, and those, um, those legislative efforts mostly failed right when they were targeting trans people in bathrooms pre 2016, they mostly failed after that. and after the passage of marriage equality. um, republican think

think tanks got together. focus groups and said what trans issue are you most incensed about? trans people in sports so then we begin to see all of these bills pop up in state legislatures sports, trans people in sports became the trojan horse to, um, dehumanize and stigmatize trans people. that led to trans against gender affirming care for young people. now, half the country, 26 states have sports bans in place and 26 states ban gender affirming care for young people to the trojan horse. trans people in sports. then we got to protect the children when it was never about the children, because several states have introduced bills banning gender affirming care up to the age of 26. donald trump himself said that he wants to make by biological sex the law of the land, and that is assigned at birth, and that is binary. this is what mike johnson, the speaker of the house, has basically also asserted. this has never been about the children it's been about scapegoating trans people eradicating us from public life as matt knowles will say. and what michael knowles, yeah, that's his name michael

knowles. and i think the most important thing for us to remember as trans people and then as people in general is that when we dehumanize people, we dehumanize ourselves. and i have to i want to say what brene brown says about dehumanization she defines dehumanization as moving a particular group of people into a place of moral exclusion. and she uses that phrase moral exclusion because we as human beings are not hardwired to harm each other. we we have empathy and we love each other. but if a group of people is rendered subhuman, the nazis use the term untermenschen subhuman then we can take away their rights then we can abuse them and commit violence against them. so we've seen the systematic dehumanization of trans people in the media and in policy proposals on both the left and the right, and now that we've been sufficiently dehumanized, now they have impunity to just take away all our rights stigmatize us, scapegoat us and so for me, as a trans person, 52 years old, in therapy for 24 years, i've

struggled loving myself. so i think about all the trans people out there who are calling the trevor project, the trans young person who i was made aware of who is 18 years old and struggling with thinking of suicide. and my publicist was like maybe you can send her a video to help. i think about all those young people who are struggling. the parents who are terrified that i've gotten messages from about what is going to happen for their child. we process of rehumanizing centering the lived experience of trans people. if we care and for trans, every trans person out there, you are beautiful. you are anointed you deserve to be here. and we have to. we must survive this by any means necessary. so i'm encouraging people to make sure their identity documents are up to date with the proper name, gender marker um, look into a campaign for equality is a wonderful organization to help with that. lambda legal is another organization to help

with getting all your documents together. um, hope for the best and and prepare for the worst with this upcoming administration and we are just learning laverne, we should say this just came in that mcbride says she's going to honor johnson's bathroom rule on capitol hill the truth is, she may not have much of a choice. >> right? the republicans are in control and this is the rule that he's putting in place. but i do want to ask you about you mentioned sports, the the sports issue, because this is one that is a sort of a wedge issue that is dividing democrats as well we heard democratic congressman seth moulton, i know you're tracking this. he said, i have two little girls. i don't want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete. but as a democrat, i'm supposed to be afraid to say that. and he was talking about democrats sort of struggling with this issue in a way that speaks to maybe the middle of the electorate in

this last election democratic congressman tom suozzi saying i don't want to discriminate against anybody, but i don't think biological boys should be playing in girls sports. you know, what do you say to them? and to democrats as they are navigating this issue um, i would say that sports, the sports is the trojan horse is a really great way to reduce trans people to testosterone levels, to our bodies, which is a way to dehumanize us. >> the sports sports question was brilliant, a brilliant strategy for republicans who are not interested in the liberty the way to fear monger they are less than 100 trans athletes in the k through 12 system. in this country. many of the states who have passed sports bans 26 states, half the country now has those sports bans. many of these trans

athletes in that where there was only one trans athlete in that state and so again, what i would say to these people that less than 1% of the population that trans people are, and they spent $215 million scapegoating us to win an election. this is about divide and conquer. this is about a lot of things. it's about a lot of things. it's about a republican party who doesn't have an economic message that resonates with working class people and a democratic party that also doesn't have a message that would resonate with, um working class people. and that and two parties that have both been captured by corporations. and so what the republicans have done is they have no problem just telling complete lies, recycling those lies in their media ecosystem, setting the agenda, setting the terms of every debate. and then democrats responding to the terms of that debate on really

it's the second we're the second. i've heard i've had so many people say gender affirming care for young people is up for debate. trans people in sports is up for debate. my identity is not up for debate. the second we can see that, we can debate health care for young people. we have conceded to bigoted, dehumanizing terms that anti-trans people have set forth. i am not interested in like having a debate about my identity. i'm interested in acts that equal access law and my liberty. and i also i just want to remind trans people, this is not the first time that our identities have been criminalized lgbtq plus people. this is not the first time our identities have been criminalized in this country. we some of us survived the times before that was just 20 years ago. 2003 lawrence v texas where being gay was, you know federally legal in this country so we haven't actually had right overtly for very long so we have to figure out ways to survive. there have been underground railroads of resources and community aid and

mutual aid. now we it's it's coming. i believe they're going to do everything they say in probably 2025. how do we survive? be there for each other. we have to do it in connection and community take care of our mental health first and foremost, and we have a right to be here i love my country. i might have to leave it if i'm criminalized, but my i've lived the american dream and everyone should have the right to do that. everyone and i insist that trans people do everything that we can to survive this and to live our dreams even as they dehumanize stigmatize and criminalize our existence. >> you have lived the american dream, laverne cox, thank you so much for being with us. and speaking with us about an issue that is so important. we appreciate it thank you so much. >> have a beautiful day. trans is beautiful. >> have a beautiful day and we'll be right back

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before on this segment. okay. that was kind of confusing. what i just described because part of this is like a psyop. so what is this assessment that ukraine has? what do you make of this. >> so basically what the ukrainians are saying is a lot of the material that we see on social media and even in intelligence reports is not correct. now, the russians have clearly moved some aircraft around. they are doing some of that as part of a psyops game, probably, but they also the ukrainians also have to expect that there will be some targeted, targeted areas within ukraine. and they have to get ready for that. they have to get their air defenses ready for those possible attacks. >> yeah that's been a reality for them. they've seen that lately in earnest. on occasion here. right. okay. let's talk a little bit about this aid that the u.s. is announcing for something kind of controversial, which is not just anti-tank mines but anti-personnel mines to be used against russian forces. you had

the secretary of defense trying to kind of assuage concerns. i don't think they're completely assuaged. >> that's probably true because when you have anti-personnel mines they are different in characteristics from an anti-tank mine. and what's key here is this little fact right here, 160 countries have have banned or signed a treaty that bans the use of these mines. now these particular mines, the ones that the u.s. is shipping to ukraine, are actually battery powered and they, in essence, have a time delay associated with them. they are only active for a certain period that can be set. it can be set for a couple of weeks, or it can be set for just four hours. so that's kind of the difference when it comes when it comes to that. but that's all part of a big, big aid package that the u.s. is shipping to ukraine. >> so the idea is that they basically become like dummies after the battery. that is correct. >> so that that will then actually help assuage the the concerns of the treaty. and it

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think is the path forward from a policy standpoint on economic >> i think we need to be common sense democrats that are a little bit conservative and a little bit liberal, because i think there are policies that workers and regular folks care about that lean a little bit one way or the other. and i think that's where most center your message around economic populism of doing things. donald trump has actually been brilliant at this, and this is how he continues to win he's got working class americans thinking he's for them when he goes and votes for things or wants things done, like not capping insulin, not giving you a child tax credit that go against the values of working people. we've got to get back to owning that space and being a little bit tougher and not afraid to kind of beat our chest. >> chuck, will you come here and let us know when i make my decision you know i will come here to my home, here at cnn to do it. appreciate you appreciate you. thanks so much for your time. next, more legal troubles for disgraced former new york city mayor rudy giuliani. the new accusations he's facing and just a few moments. stay with us time and shine a light on the

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