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a more perfect union, we need to love each other. >> that's a good thanksgiving message for everyone. thank you very much for joining us thanks for watching news night laura coates live starts right now >> tonight the latest twist in the drama that is the confirmation battle over matt gaetz and the new roadblock that's stopping us from learning what the ethics committee actually knows. plus democrats gear up for their next big battle. who will be the new dnc chair? former maryland governor martin o'malley is in the running and joins me live tonight on laura coates live ugly. when lawmakers charged with upholding ethics are accusing one another of maybe being unethical dishonest. congress is now erupting into turmoil over donald trump's pick for attorney general matt gaetz. republicans on the

ethics committee are blocking the release of their own report into him. the panel has spent years, years investigating allegations just allegations of sexual misconduct and also illicit drug use. gaetz, of course, denies all of it, but he's not waiting for any chance that the report actually drops. he showed up on capitol hill. he was flanked by vice president elect jd vance, aiming to gain some support with the republican senators, who will decide whether to confirm him now in his telling, smooth sailing been going great. >> a lot of good advice look forward to a hearing. folks have been very supportive. they've been saying we're going to get a fair process. the ethics committee, they said they're not going to release the report after their meeting >> any response? >> i'll be honest with you. i've been focused on what we got to do to reform the department of justice. >> but we are hearing several people in trump's orbit that they're worried about this

ethics report. so, frankly, are several gop senators that gates needs to have firmly in his camp. they want to see what's inside the report if or maybe when they get it is an open question because accusations are now flying between the members of that ethics committee. it all started when the gop chair of the panel spoke after republicans voted to block the report are you going to report the report? >> is there a resolution? >> there was not an agreement by the committee to release the report now, the top democrat on the committee wasn't having that it has come to my attention that the chairman has since, um betrayed the process by disclosing our deliberations within moments after walking out of the committee and he has implied that there was an agreement of the committee not to disclose the report, that is an untrue to the extent that

that suggests that the committee was in agreement or that we had a consensus on that. >> that is inaccurate. >> so can you reach a consensus? the committee again next month, and that's a few weeks away. but still, it's next month. that's not stopping house democrats from trying to force the report into the light of day before that time they went to the entire house to vote on its release. and if that doesn't republican is suggesting it will go the way of every other secret in washington d.c.. a drip drip, drip through leaks and, of course, whispers john cornyn town gaetz when he met with them today, quote, they're not going to be any secrets here everything's eventually going to come out. with me now former republican congressman charlie dent former obama white house senior adviser and director neera hawk and cnn political commentator and republican strategist brad todd. good to have you all

here. let's get right to it. brad, i get it. i mean, the fact that gates is meeting with several senators, he clearly wants this to keep going. but this is lingering in the background and coming into the forefront very, very quickly. are there red lights flashing for gates right now? is that why he's here? >> i think it's i think gates's confirmation chances are slim. i think there's actually a pretty good chance it never comes to a vote. i think really? you think so? i think that the that while these charges are, are not in the public eye, they i guarantee you they're in the private eye. that's what these meetings are about. matt gaetz is a known figure on capitol hill. if you had to vote to confirm him in the house, it would probably be unanimous because they'd like to get rid of him and so he's a polarizing individual in both chambers. and so but he's also a pretty talented communicator. and so if he gets to a hearing i think he'll do pretty well in the hearing. but i think these meetings are where the rubber meets the road for matt gaetz. >> he's well known, right. but he's not particularly well liked to the point that you raised. and actually here is what one incoming republican senator charlie had to say

telling us tonight if the reports corroborates, what are now just allegations. listen i think it would be very, very and and i hate to play the what if game because i want to see it first, but i don't think there's any way he could get confirmed if, if this is if this is accurate. >> it was already a very it's already a hard push to get matt confirmed to begin with. this is this is this this will make things very difficult if it comes out that it's actually true. >> what do you think? well, look i was chairman of of the ethics committee and i can tell you, matt gates did not resign because this ethics report was clean. these reports, this report is likely type of a sanction, a reprimand, a censure, and in the most extreme cases, an expulsion, which would be a moot point now since he resigned. but this will not be pretty and also if the if the committee uncovers potential criminal wrongdoing, they can refer the

department. >> they've already said they're not going to do anything about it there so far. >> well report says, but but i was i was part of this. i we referred people to the justice department. i actually had some convictions based on ethics reports. again, the ethics committee is not investigating crime. they're investigating violations of house rules. but i can assure you he resigned because it's going to be a nasty report. one other thing to remember, most members who resigned from congress due to scandal usually go quietly. they go away and, you know, they go about the business of reconstructing their lives. they don't they don't get elevated to become the top law enforcement officer of the united states and that's why people want to see this, because this is a this is a big position. he's being asked and of course, and i think senator cornyn is absolutely right there are no secrets. i think much of this is going to come out. somebody's going to probably move on the house floor to have it have this report released i am surprised colleagues are the ones who don't agree with me, that i think that this is actually trump playing his strongest hand right now rewarding a loyalist and testing senator john thune and his new

leadership and clearly convictions about sexual assault are no longer are objective to either the american public or to being in positions of power. >> and the senate itself has not a great track record of violations of social norms when it comes to sexual harassment or allegations of rape. they have a confirmed multiple individuals who have had these issues come up in their confirmation hearings, and those were not legally binding accusations. >> similarly with the how they should they should release the report you're saying or they should not. >> i would love to see them release the report. i would love more transparency. i just don't think that's going to have an impact on the balance of power and how things are playing out politically. we don't have evidence from donald trump. we don't have evidence from the senate as a body that the issues of women being assaulted or underage sex matter when it comes to the voting and confirming of republicans into positions of

power. >> what about that point? i mean, the, you know we've heard i think steve bannon and others have said, you know, they're flooding the zone that they're going to he's going to put all of the people up and they're going to have to choose and be selective and discerning who they think should actually get confirmed. and if you put this one out there and you have a compromise not to him, but the rest go in there, thinks it's not really the case that they might likely confirm gaetz that it's not enough to disqualify him, even if these allegations come out in the ethics report, i think there are a lot of things that are going to disqualify matt gaetz if i'm predicting. >> number one, he held the entire republican conference hostage in the speaker's house that's not still sitting well with many republicans on capitol hill. he attacks the institutions. he attacks other republicans in the body. he's a polarizer on purpose. and i think that matt gaetz has a lot of problems beyond what's in the ethics report. and i think he has a lot of problems in the ethics report and that's why i want to make that distinction, though. >> right. like this is not if he goes down, it's not going to be because suddenly this entire group decided that accusations of hurting women suddenly mattered in a way that they

haven't mattered. >> he's going to go down because they hate his guts. >> it's politics, and they think he's on his own. they think he's selfish. they think he's only for matt gaetz. but and i think there is a mission here like donald trump wants to reform the justice department. he should. they tried. they spied on him when he was a private citizen. they tried to prevent him from being elected. they tried to get him out of office. he should demand change at the justice department even. and plenty of republicans agree. but there will be another nominee after matt gaetz is withdrawn i predict that will do what donald trump wants to do at the department of justice. he doesn't need matt gaetz for this job. >> what's fascinating is that, you know, the things that you're describing of matt gaetz would be perfectly in line. somebody who is going to buck the system obviously does not care about alienating and offending the people who aren't his right and his left in his own chamber so that might be the kind of person that donald trump would say, well, good, then you will have no problem implementing what i want to do. but let me ask you about the ethics committee, because you just heard from one of the members saying that it was congresswoman susan wild blasting a characterization that they had not come to an

agreement to release the report read between the lines here. what was going on that they did not come to a conclusion, and they have to wait till next month now, what happened is there was there were probably about to have a vote to release the report or to dispose of this matter and, and i suspect there was a deadlocked vote. >> there were ten members on the ethics committee evenly split between republican and democrat and it was probably a55 vote. and that means table the issue five to release the report and so five five is not a majority. so it was not released. that's probably what happened. yeah. >> so it's telling us that that actually was the case. >> that's probably what happened. and and and then of course, you know then they got in the debate about was there an agreement or not. you know, to not release it. and so that's what this is all about. but as i said, but there's plenty of precedent, though, to release reports after a member has resigned. in 1990, there was a case of congressman lukens buzz lukens, who who was this involved? sex with a 16 year old and he was john boehner took that seat after he did by the way, and and of

course that report was released. i could go back to the the mark foley case, where after he resigned, members of congress sitting members of congress were deposed to answer questions about what they knew about that case. >> so the jurisdiction argument that they don't have it anymore because he's no longer a member of congress is hogwash to you well, as a courtesy, they ordinarily the committee would ordinarily would not release a report again, because most of these members go away quietly. >> they're not going on to become attorney general of the united states. there is a major distinction here. and when there are cases of potential sexual misconduct, the committee has been more likely to release information after the fact. >> almost a sword of damocles, right? if this is or a threat, if you go away quietly. i'm not saying they've done this here, but if they go away quietly, this is not going to come out. the opposite is actually happening with marjorie taylor greene, the congressman from georgia, who has made the comment along with paulina luna navarro as well. i believe, down in florida as to suggest, look, if you are not going to go along with this republican senators, then we're going to

bring out some of your skeletons from the closet. she has said as much. taylor greene in a recent tweet. the fact that that might be successful gives me pause and concern that that threat would actually be realized, or that there was enough skeletons to say okay, i may not do that. what do you make of her making that threat? >> i think she's a distraction on this subject. i think republicans care what happens at the department of justice. they care that there's a team player there who does what they want to remember. republicans in the u.s. senate have strong opinions about what needs to happen at the doj, and i think that they have questions about whether matt gaetz is a team player or not. he's not been a team player for republicans in congress. >> he has been for trump, which is the key thing that trump is looking for. he's been good for trump. he's a good debate coach and listen, i'm not saying i like the guy, but i'm recognizing, though is the distinct separation between the norms that republicans and democrats have operated with that many of you and i have served under in congress and then the reality of what donald

trump has done, not just to the party, but also to the country, and this may be his moment where he says, this is what it means for me to disrupt the system and my maga acolytes. this is what we want. >> well, i don't know if that was their mandate. and by the way, i could probably find you at least four republican senate republican votes is what we need against matt gaetz. right now. so, i mean, yeah, that's not going to happen. >> but what so if you're if you're trump and you're hearing all this drama unfold, first of all, and by the way unlike say, hegseth, when they believe that they were blindsided by the accusations that are out there people knew there was an ongoing investigation into matt gaetz was it a mistake for trump to put him out as the attorney general pick here? >> i think that, you know president-elect trump likes to stir the pot and he likes to command, not be scalded by the content. he likes to command the conversation. and i think this is sending a signal that whoever ends up as attorney general is going to be expected to be message has been received. i

don't think he has to confirm matt gaetz to get what he wants at doj. >> you know, he thinks, well, how about with the senator, jd vance, who's now vice president elect? obviously he'll be on capitol hill again. familiar territory, but this time with pete hegseth, the secretary of defense pick. is there an advantage you think near to sending vance um, a fellow senator by the way, to sort of arm twist here? >> yeah. having worked so many confirmations this after the announcement is made, this is the real work. you don't bring somebody in front of the panel in public until you have a sense that you can win the vote. so bring bring people along with you to every individual meeting to, you know grease the skids, have those conversations. and also as the senator who is now vice president, to remind people of who has power in the white house and if the republican majority wants to make some wins with president trump, there are certain things that thune is going to have to go along with that are not traditional republican ways of doing business. >> i mean, vance is the president of the senate, and soon in january. but is he

influential enough among the other senators to be an effective arm twister? >> well, not in this case, because matt gaetz is the one they're voting on, not jd vance. >> pete hegseth too. he's there with him tomorrow. >> well, again, look, the problem here is that the white house has is not vetting these nominees. i mean, in a functional white house, the white house staff would get ahold of the senate before they nominate anybody and talk about potential candidates and try to scrub them who's, you know, who's got the best chance. what do you guys think? that's how you should be operating here. not just throwing out a matt gaetz who has probably zero chance of becoming the attorney general. i don't understand why they want to fight a battle that they probably knew they were going to lose. walking into this thing. >> what about to brad's point, though that look, he doesn't need to even have him confirmed to have him be disruptive the point was, the peak. >> it's still losing, though. i mean, if you if they have to withdraw his nomination they've lost. >> if there's anyone everybody knows how to deny losing, it's donald trump every president loses one cabinet nominee.

>> i think matt gaetz is going to be the one he loses. that's my that's my prediction. but i think in sending matt gaetz up the first time, he will send a pretty clear signal that status quo, the doj is not acceptable and he will win in that way. and so the next guy he sends will be the next woman he sends will. that will be the mandate. >> will he be the one he lost or the one that got away? that's the big question. thank you so much everyone al sharpton is going after trump for not announcing any black cabinet members so far. what is trump ally and gop congressman byron donalds have to say about all that and the rest of the picks i'll ask him next plus, democrats try to pick up the pieces after the election, starting with this piece. who will lead them going forward? a candidate for dnc chair, former maryland governor martin o'malley, will join me live >> we look at the news of the week and ask questions like,

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very vocal and effective surrogate for trump and for his campaign and frankly, the republican party. what is your response to this criticism? >> i think it's criticism where people are upset that they still lost this election and so if you were going to ask reverend al or anybody else in the democrat party, they're still licking their wounds about the fact that this did not work out the way that they thought it was going to. that being said, donald trump's cabinet is about people who are going to implement his agenda and he's not done. by the way, you have susie wiles the first woman ever to serve as chief of staff. you have marco rubio a cuban-american who's going to serve as secretary of state, representing america across the globe when it comes to foreign policy. you have tulsi gabbard going to be at dni. so many others that are coming and are still slots to be filled. so i think everybody needs to pump the brakes and just wait and see what happens. >> do you think democrats are putting form over substance? >> absolutely. look even if you look at how the democrats filled the joe biden cabinet,

they wanted to have a piece of every identity. but did they get the job done? did they actually serve the interest of the american people? because here's what i know. whether you're black or hispanic, if the border is unsecure, excuse me alejandro mayorkas if the help people in their everyday lives? no, it does not. and so what we what donald trump's election is about is bringing competency and reality back to d.c. in the white house, making sure that the job gets done on behalf of the american people, regardless of their race regardless of their religion, regardless of their creed. >> do you think that the current cabinet picks reflect the most competent implementers of trump's policy across the board? >> 100%. >> you have no pause for any of the people who are being raised, including some who are more controversial figures who've gotten a lot of the oxygen out of the room. obviously, matt gaetz, a centerpiece of criticism because of the allegations but you don't have any pause about anyone who's been chosen. >> no, i don't, because either

i know them directly or i've gotten a chance to know them throughout the last several months. all of them subscribe to everything that donald trump talked about on the campaign trail. they are mission minded about getting the job done look at robert f. kennedy jr., robert f kennedy jr. wants to make america healthy again. he wants to go after additives in our food that are here in the united states, but not in any other country around the globe you have suburban mothers who want to see that happen for their children. you have people who've had to deal with all kinds of other health abnormalities. and at the time, and now what they're dealing with is going to other doctors finding other alternatives to address those health issues, finding out it's what they're ingesting every single day. he's going to address that. you have somebody like tulsi gabbard, who has not been a fan of forever wars, which, by the way, if you're a republican or a democrat, you've not been a fan of forever wars. she's going to be advising him when it comes to national intelligence. these are the these are the picks that he's put in who are going to actually help him implement his agenda his success as

president. this is the 47th president is going to be on addressing all the concerns of the american people that obviously they had, because if they didn't have that he wouldn't have the political mandate. he's enjoying right now. >> well, let me ask you, because i as a potential speaker of the house, um, there were many who speculated that based on the prominent role you played in this campaign and election, that your name would have skyrocketed to at least the front of the line. we are several cabinet picks in. are you not surprised that you have not been named? have you had a conversation about being a part of the administration at all? >> all i will say is, i am not surprised that i have not been named, but that does not mean i'm not going to do other things in the future. >> have you have the has he asked you know, there's some other things that i'm looking at going forward. >> i'm not going to talk about them now. >> we do this every time. >> we're not going to break news. >> now, i would like to ask you, i mean, governor, we're not going to break florida. senator, perhaps if marco rubio is confirmed or any of those spots enticing to you. >> we'll see what happens as

things go forward. >> do you have support for the name lara trump that's been circling around as a potential person who would step in if senator marco rubio were to ascend to the role that he has been >> so actually, i think laura would do a great job as a u.s. senator for florida. i got a chance to really know her through the whole campaign process number one, excellent communicator, one of the best in our party. number two, really knowledgeable about policy. number three, her personal businesses that she's been involved with, different projects that she's done she knows how to get things done, bring people around her to be successful. at the end of the day, you want to be a representative of the ideals of the state of florida. lara trump is an example of that. >> so just to be clear, and i remember the barbershops you had gone through, you talked to many black voters, black male voters specifically on the campaign trail. if the current trend stands and there is not a single black cabinet member named, you'd be fine with that. >> what i want right now is for the agencies of the federal

government to do their job, and no more. and to actually fix the ills that have been going wrong in our country. the voters spoke loud and clear two weeks ago. this was an avalanche. this was a political mandate for donald trump. and it is very clear that they want our borders secured they want a thriving economy they want to be able to get out of these conflicts across the globe. and yes people want to be energy dominant here in america. and if the cabinet picks help deliver the america first agenda that donald trump wants, this will be an unmitigated success. and every american will be happy with that. >> i wonder if voters will see it the same way. i want to talk about this house ethics committee, though. they have not chosen to release the report that was compiled by the house ethics committee on former congressman matt gaetz. do you think the report should be released? if not publicly, to the senate, so that they can have, in a fulsome review in their role to advise and consent? >> well, actually, no, i don't,

and here's why. a couple of things. first of all, we all know capitol hill leaks like a sieve. if the ethics committee sends that report over to the senate you'll have some senate staffers somewhere and some office will put it out and that's frankly inappropriate because the rules of the house and, frankly, the rules of the senate are clear on this. if you're no longer a member those reports do not get released to anybody. that's number one. number two, the fbi already looked into these allegations over three years, a long running investigation, and there were leaks out of the department of justice during this investigation. but what did merrick garland's doj or frankly, at that also, when it started, bill barr's doj charges there were no charges here. so i think we got to be careful. do we just want to be salacious because it's great to take somebody down or is good for news headlines, or are we going to make sure we're serious about making sure somebody like matt gaetz goes into the job of attorney general to make sure that the doj is doing its job for the american people not for the politicians here in washington

d.c. that's what matters. >> but the same could be true. and the conclusion different to suggest if the report is somehow baseless or it's based on unfounded allegations or is entirely critical of the department of justice, as has been alleged by matt gaetz and others, then that very argument and seeing the report could buttress this confirmation. why not just see the report? it could be helpful to republicans who want to confirm him because i mean, i'm not going to be naive with you we know the whole reason why some people are saying release it, release it, release it mostly from the democrat side of the aisle because they're reeling, because of the results of this election. >> their party is massively divided on which direction they should go. >> republicans also want to see the report. some have expressed that this is fair, but they're looking for a reason to get back on track. >> i understand that, but we have to. we have to be very careful with stuff like this. if we're just going to be throwing allegations around a la justice kavanaugh, where allegations were just tossed around they weren't confirmed, but they were out there. and

then he went, he went ahead and got confirmed by the u.s. senate and now is serving as a duly appointed justice on the supreme court. and doing a great job in that role. are we now going to demonize people because of an allegation where the department of justice did not bring charges? they did investigate this for three years. and to be fair to matt the investigation went through a lot of stuff was leaked about this investigation no charges were brought forward. so then what are we talking about now? because if you compare a potential ag and matt gaetz versus the current ag and merrick garland, we do know that merrick garland weaponized the justice department, no matter how anybody might feel about it. there was there was not an even application of the law with merrick garland as attorney general. and not they, of course, vehemently disagree with that characterization. they can disagree all they want, but they're wrong they do not. even just with dealing with donald trump. you have parents who are just trying to protest their schools being labeled as domestic terrorists by this same department of justice, the american people

are done with that. they institutions of our government to be evenhanded and fair. matt gaetz will bring that. >> we will see if the senate, who will confirm, will agree with you. we'll see what happens. thank you so much for joining us i'll see you on set this evening. congressman byron donalds up next. it is the huge question for democrats who's going to lead them out of the election funk that they are presently in. my next guest says that he is the one who's up for the job it's former governor martin o'malley and is now running to be head of the dnc. he's here with me next there were 66 americans that were being held hostage that was being led across the embassy compound. >> people were running up to me shouting, death to america! >> the iran hostage crisis how it really happened sunday at nine on cnn. >> why did we choose safe flight? we're always working on a project while loading up our suv. one extra push and crack.

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the democratic national committee has officially begun as democrats on capitol hill prepare for the incoming republican trifecta. >> several dnc members telling cnn this time around, they want an outsider to take the reins. the new hampshire democratic party chair says, quote we definitely need to be looking outside of the beltway, and it has to be somebody that really understands the strength of grassroots, and we need to get back to that. joining me now, one of the first declared candidates former maryland governor martin o'malley. governor, good to have you with me this evening. >> thank you. and i'm here purely in my capacity as a citizen of the united states and a candidate for dnc chair. >> well, you are all the more official capacity. you're all the more welcome to be here. tell me, what do you think is the first issue that the democratic party needs to tackle in light of really the decisive victories to lead to a trifecta in d.c.? >> we need to do a couple of things at the same time. we

need to rebuild our party, and we need to reconnect with hard working people across our country to give them hope that tomorrow can be better for their kids than today. so what i'm talking about are the economic issues. the kitchen table issues, the issues that, that. and we have to do a better job as a party of connecting the dots so they understand the actions we take, our actions which help their family, allow them to afford to send their kids to college to be able to make their home payments. this these are the two things we need to do. and when i say rebuild our federal, i mean state local and national. and we need to do it with grassroots and real organizing. >> when you say to to get essentially get credit for the work that's being done that helps people's lives. people were really looking at feeling mix this time around. they could see all the numbers and all the different charts, but they didn't feel like it was a success. the democrats were doomed. how do you bridge that gap?

>> you know, sometimes we can fall into the cynicism that consultants have about the intelligence and the curiosity of the american people to engage in a conversation about economics. when i ran for reelection as governor of maryland was coming out of a recession, and my own consultant said, don't try to make an economic argument. people aren't feeling good but we made that argument. we won by 14 points. it was hard every day, but it was the important conversations that leaders must have to to understand from our economy how we in our generation give our kids more and better job opportunities and and better fuller lives with greater well-being than our parents gave to us. i mean, isn't it a sad fact of our times that when unemployment is at an all time low white male suicides are at an all time high? what's going on here? why is americans do we fear the future? we shouldn't fear the future this is a time of enormous opportunity, and we need to. we need to make our government work if our kids are

going to have better lives. >> you pointed out white males in particular just now. and one of the things that democrats have been doing in a postmortem is evaluating who got left behind through their messaging. did they focus on the right demographic groups that would turn out to the polls in particular? how do you intend to redevelop those who feel disenfranchized or disenchanted by the democratic party? >> well, i have been i have been on the phone talking to state chairs to governors, to members of the dnc, and that's the constructive question that we're all asking. i mean, certainly there needs to be an after action. i'm not going to call it a postmortem. there are men and women that put all they had out on that playing field but we can learn from the things we did right and the places where it worked well. let me give you just a couple of examples. thanks to leader jeffries we actually flipped six congressional seats in the house. i was on the chair on

the phone with the sharif street. the chair of pennsylvania. very disappointing results at the federal level but they hardly lost anything in the state house and the state senate and in alaska of all places. i was on the phone with the chair of alaska before i came here at a different time zone and and he pointed out that they flipped both of their legislative chambers for the first time in 40 years. and in the state of missouri. look, it's a so-called all of their elected officials are republican but they went to the polls and they voted for increasing the minimum wage, paid family leave and reproductive freedom there is silver lining on the edge of these dark clouds, and we need to figure out the places where we did it right, how we did it but we need to get on the internet. you know, we were knocking on a lot of doors, but the other party from the people i've talked to seem to have been doing a better job getting inside those. >> they had an effective internet, they had an effective certainly direct to consumer, so to speak campaign going on but one issue that really was

hammered by republicans against democrats is the issue on transgender rights and transgender youth in particular, this election cycle. and then you had congressman seth moulton who faced a great deal of criticism for expressing some discomfort. i'll be generous over the trans athlete debate. and here is what he had to say would happen if democrats don't actually begin to talk through these issues as well. listen if we can't even have discussions, we can't listen to american voters and say, by the way, that we may not agree with you, but we value your opinion, we want to listen and understand your perspective we're never going to connect with the majority of americans, and we're not going to have a chance of winning these debates. so how should the democratic party talk about gender identity and these social cultural issues? i think we have this is a time, laura, when we have to hold tight to the first principles of this republic. >> our belief in the dignity of every person and our belief in

the common good. we share as americans. i don't experience that anxiety that congressman moulton does about talking about tough subjects with my neighbors who may disagree i was mayor of baltimore. i was governor of maryland. there were a lot of tough issues. we dealt with but leaders have to listen. if they're going to be effective and collaborative collaborative leaders, they have to be willing to make themselves vulnerable in those conversations. i am the only candidate running for dnc chair who is actually an operational leader, and i've proven that at every level have to listen to employees managers, labor every day to make progress. i'm the only candidate that's been the chair of a national committee. you want to talk about tough listening sessions, try to deal with governors from all across america. when i was chair of the dga, and yet we came to the positive message that worked everywhere in america jobs, opportunity now, when we hone that that that's when democrats win. >> we will see martin o'malley,

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newsom saying on monday that he's holding off on making a decision on clemency for the two brothers. here's the governor explaining his reasoning the menendez file, which is now a little thicker because we did deeper research in the last ten days, that's all on my desk and i'll be literally getting a lot of it today. >> but but let me just say a couple of things who's about to be replaced, the one who recommended the resentencing of the menendez brothers and i think it's the right thing to do to hear from the new da before i make any decisions. >> now if you remember, these are the two brothers who killed their parents in 1989. they claim they were sexually assaulted and abused by their father and killed their parents in self-defense. now, a first trial against the brothers ended in a hung jury, but the second trial, where evidence of sexual abuse was largely withheld that ended in conviction and the brothers were sentenced to life in prison all but frankly disappearing from the public

eye. that is, until this year, when a docudrama and a documentary were released by netflix, both focusing on the abuse allegations and around that same time, the menendez brothers lawyers filed a petition claiming there was new evidence to back up the abuse claims the renewed attention led la district attorney george gascon to recommend the brothers be resentenced and eligible for parole, and he appealed to governor newsom to grant that clemency. well, then came the election on november 5th, and that da was defeated by a former federal prosecutor known for being tough on crime. joining me now, la district attorney elect nathan hochman joins us now. da elect, thank you for being here. you know many of the details of the menendez case, of course, are well known to you and, frankly, to the public. more broadly. but what will you be looking for in evaluating their

>> so in order to evaluate a resentencing and by the way, the resentencing is one of three different tracks that the menendez's are currently on. there is a habeas track. and you mentioned about it, but it was actually filed in may pending ever since then. and that's dealing with the new evidence. the second track is that clemency track. and governor newsom, since he came into office in 2017, up until today or tomorrow, could grant clemency. and that's the second track. the third track is resentencing and george gascon actually had that motion in february of 2024. but he waited until 12 days before the election when he was 30 points down. and finally announce his resentencing forward on resentencing and recommend from go from life without the possibility of parole to 50 years to life. what i have said is that in order to make a thorough review of the facts and the law i've got to review thousands of pages of confidential prison files that i don't have access

to. i've got to review the thousands of pages of trial transcripts from two months long trials. i need to speak to the prosecutors defense counsel. i need to go ahead and speak to the victim family members. and at that point, i will be able to render a decision on the resentencing part of it. that won't be they won't have a cloud of credibility that mr.. gascon had where people were wondering, was it a just decision or just a political ploy? >> that timeline, as you explained it could be quite elongated given all that you have to review and you don't have yet access to information. you are the da elect. i assume that's what is part of the stalling. do you intend to prioritize this particular matter and the review of those different features, or do you intend to have this be one of many things that you will take on when you finally are in office? >> so the advantage of coming into office with 34 years of criminal justice experience as a prosecutor and a defense

attorney with hundreds of cases under my belt, is i know how to go through a record expeditiously and if we do need more time right now, there's a december 11th hearing. if i do need more time, i won't ask for a delay for delay's sake, we'll ask for the minimum amount of time in order to do this thorough review, because we owe it to the menendez brothers. we owe it to the victim family members. we owe it to the public to make sure we get this decision right, and then can defend it in court. >> i want to go to a different matter now that you are the da elect. i mean, just yesterday, the city council, they voted to declare los angeles a sanctuary city in response, frankly, to a probable crackdown on migrants. is that a good decision? >> well, laura, i'm sure you're aware that california has been a sanctuary state since sb 54 was passed in 2017, so i'm not aware they haven't finalized what the particulars of this sanctuary city ordinance looks like. i don't know if it will be much different than what the sanctuary state ordinance law

that was passed over seven years ago looks like, and that's a law, by the way, that was challenged in the courts and the courts upheld it. so as district attorney, we will i will abide by the law. you know, that's the oath. i will be taking on december 3rd, and i will make sure that all law enforcement and all district attorneys under my watch abide by the law. >> when you look at perhaps the obsolete nature of it, do you think that there will be steps that you would have to take as the d.a. to guard against a law being broken, or the state level sanctuary characterizatio n to be honored? >> well, again, we're going to honor all the requirements of the law. as you're probably aware, the law deals with certain access and information that local authorities provide to federal immigration officials. there are carve outs for certain violent crimes certain serious crimes under the state law. i imagine that

will be under the city law as well. but we will abide by the law. and we and again if the immigration authorities have warrants and they present warrants, they can get the individuals to seek deportation otherwise, we'll certainly make sure we abide by the full extent of that law. >> now, you are a former federal prosecutor you mentioned your three decades more than that experience. and you on the campaign trail certainly were critical of the current da for the increase in crime in your community. what will you do to make los angeles safer? >> so what i was critical about the current da. is he instituted four years ago extreme pro-criminal policies that actually predetermined that certain crimes and certain criminals would not be prosecuted. those are juveniles who steal just under $950. certain gun enhancements, certain gang enhancement that he didn't care what the facts of the law was. he told his prosecutors not to prosecute i reject that extreme policy, but i also reject the extreme policy of mass incarceration

another policy that basically doesn't look at facts of the law. it just wants to put people in jail for the longest period of time. where i come down is what i call the hard work middle or the hard middle. the reason it's hard you got to do the work. you got to look at each case individually. the individual defendant and the defendant's background the crime committed, and the impact on the victim to determine who the true threats are to our public safety and need to be behind bars. those are often the repeat offenders. but as importantly, the ones that aren't your first time nonviolent offender can very well serve their debt to society by something other than prison community service, restitution pay it back. or if they have a drug addiction put them in a diversion program that gives them a choice between prison and an 18 month rehab program, which, if they successfully complete, will wipe their record clean. >> nathan hochman, you have your work cut out for you thanks for joining us tonight my pleasure. >> thank you very much. >> that is our show for tonight. anderson cooper 360 is

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