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military chief. >> how netanyahu's office is responding. and a crackdown on line cutters just in time for the holiday travel surge. how american airlines is making sure are following these stories and many more, all coming in right here to cnn news central breaking news. trump's pick for attorney general is out. matt gaetz says he is withdrawing his name from consideration. the former congressman posting that his confirmation process was becoming a distraction to the critical work of the trump-vance team. >> just yesterday. gaetz was up on capitol hill. he was meeting with key republican senators, trying to persuade them to support his bid to head up the justice department. our correspondents are standing by with all of the latest developments here, and they are developing rapidly. so let's begin with cnn chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid. paula, a lot of new

details just coming out. tell us about your reporting and why this is happening now. yeah. >> let me walk you through what's happened so far. this morning, earlier today, around 1130, we reached out to respond to new reporting that we had that the house ethics committee had been told of a second sexual encounter between gates and a woman who was at the time just 17 years old and we learned that the committee was also told by a witness that there was another adult woman involved in this sexual encounter. now, this is significant because this is the first time that it's been reported that there was more than one instance of the former congressman allegedly having sex with that underage girl. now, of course, the former congressman has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing. the justice department investigated these allegations and did not charge him. the woman who would have been the adult involved in this alleged encounter. she has also denied this encounter. but the reason this reporting was so significant is because it is an example of the kind of information that the ethics committee has, but the public

does not. i've covered very closely these investigations into gates and these allegations for four years, and this was the first time that we had ever heard this and this example of the kind of information ethics report that is currently at the center of a big debate on whether it should be released. again we reached out to the congressman about this reporting. we were waiting for a statement. we were going to go live at 1230 on inside politics, and instead of getting a statement about a minute before we went live we got this notification that gates was withdrawing his nomination for attorney general. >> yeah. let us remember this, paula, as we heard, one of those lawmakers saying to reporters yesterday on the hill what do you mean, you guys know everything? that's in this report. you've been reporting it and here we are with something new about this committee and what they knew. paula reid thank you so much for that reporting. let's turn now to cnn chief congressional correspondent manu raju who i think may have been tracking down that lawmaker. what's the mood like on capitol hill right now well, among a lot of republicans, there is a sense of relief because this would

have been a very difficult vote for a number of republicans who did not want to defy donald trump. >> and endure the wrath of trump, but also did not believe that gates was qualified to run the justice department had concerns about the allegations in the house ethics report, had concerns about gates's slash and burn politics, where he's battled with republicans over the years. the fact that he led the ouster of kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house, all of which pointed to the likelihood that gates had a very uphill climb to become confirmed as attorney general one republican senator i just spoke with, kevin cramer, told me that it was not worth the political capital to go through all this because he said simply, the math is not there. and and that was reiterated down the line by a number of republican senators. one key republican senator the senate republican leader, mitch mcconnell, just told our colleague ted barrett that it is a good thing that meg gates withdrew from the post and that there were a lot of republicans, according to kevin cramer, who were in the hell no camp in supporting matt gaetz. so the question ultimately would have been for the trump team if they would

have went through this process a rigorous confirmation process hearings next year, votes and committee votes on the floor, and ultimately they did not get there. that was simply not worth it for a lot of republican senators. they didn't want to go through that process and clearly, at the end of the day, gates made that ultimate calculation. well, it wasn't worth it for him. but democrats, they're happy as well. but they're also wondering who comes next. as chris murphy the democratic senator from connecticut, said, he said for now, but in his view, he has what comes next, brianna? >> yeah everyone wants to know. manu raju live for us on the hill. thank you. sources tell cnn that president-elect trump does not yet have a new name in mind for attorney general, and is now returning to the drawing board. so let's bring in cnn's kristen holmes live for us from west palm beach, florida, because kristen, the folks who may have had a bit of a more conventional streak who were possibilities for ag initially he wasn't really fond of. right. >> he just wasn't impressed by

them. brianna. that's what we were told there was no bomb thrower. there wasn't anyone. he believed could be an effective communicator, which is why this plan was hatched essentially on the flight from west palm beach to washington, d.c., and by the time he landed back in west palm beach, he had announced that matt gaetz was his pick to be attorney general. so anyone on that short list, which matt gaetz was not originally on, it was not somebody that he felt like was right for the role. now, when it comes to matt gaetz, when it comes to today's announcement, we are told that he informed donald trump that transition members were told ahead of him tweeting, so it was not a surprise. donald trump himself has put out a statement that i want to read, he wrote. i greatly appreciate the recent efforts of matt gaetz in seeking approval to be attorney general. he was doing very well, but at the same time did not want to be a distraction for the administration, for which he has much respect. matt has a wonderful future and i look forward to watching all of the great things that he will do. now, when i spoke to a number of people, either on the transition close to

donald trump, they said a few things. cautiously optimistic about how some of the meetings went on, the hill yesterday, they were very much aware that there were too many hard nosed when they left to actually get him confirmed however, while they thought that potentially they could soften some of these hard no's, they also understood the fact that there was more information inside of that ethics report that was going to come out, that was not going to help the cause. it's actually going to take away from some of the math there when it came to matt gaetz. now, the other thing i was told is that there was a belief that there were more witnesses that had spoken to the ethics committee than previously known, which was obviously going to impact what kind of information came out of here. now we are told that it was not donald trump pushing matt gaetz at this time to withdraw his name, that it was matt gaetz decision. obviously, we are trying to figure out whether or not there were any side conversations with gaetz about the numbers in the senate that ultimately led to his decision, but right now, we have been told was that not only was it just the math, it

was also this idea that as this information came out, it wasn't going to help gaetz it was only going to be a distraction and actually probably cause worse math when it came to confirmation. >> and now, as the reporting indicates, it's back to the drawing board for the transition team. kristen holmes live for us in west palm beach. thank you so much. let's discuss with our panel. we have cnn legal analyst carrie cordero former biden white house director of message planning megan hayes, and republican strategist for acxiom, strategist strategies. i should say, erin perrine. kerry, let's start with you. these are not only some serious allegations against gaetz but also the evidence that's been collected against him that we've reported on leads to the question of why the department of justice, if they had this information, these venmo payments, why didn't they press charges against him? >> well, the justice department obviously conducted an investigation, but they have standards that they have to go to, and those standards are supposed to apply equally to people, and they have to do with the fact of whether or not, in the judgment of the

prosecutors, they think that they would be able to actually succeed at trial and a conviction. and that's the standard that they're supposed to apply equitably. and and so in this particular case, they made the decision not to go forward. now different people might look at that evidence and have a different view. but that's the judgment of the prosecutors. that was the judgment of the department of justice. and so in those cases, then the case is supposed to be over. and so what's unusual here is that information also was separately developed by the ethics committee. and congress, which is a political process not a legal process. and so we have additional information that's come to light yeah, because he was a member of congress and i wonder, megan if you think it is looking like even more of a mistake. >> and i also wonder what you think, erin, about this for the trump transition team to skip those traditional fbi background checks that might have allowed him to see this before spending a week on this kind of thing.

>> i mean, i am pretty sure that president-elect trump knew what was in this reporter s being accused of, and there's probably enough gossip running around we all know a lot of the stuff in there, so i'm not surprised that they didn't know. i do think it's a mistake not to have these fbi background checks. i think they lead into your security clearance. there's a lot of information that's really important there that i think is good for our country and the people that are leading these agencies need to go through just as a standard practice to have the integrity and the character to lead some of these agencies. and i think some of this stuff comes out in those background checks. >> i think when it comes to the fbi background checks, they should be done as a member of congress. all that information is really relevant to the people. and being able to do your job. and i think that anything we can do as republicans and, you know, for the trump administration coming in to assuage fears or to take away some of the dynamite, the democrats are going to set around you to try to blow up your nominations by putting out as much information as you can about your nominee on the front end, and start spinning for them early not that that would have worked in this case but it can help down the road be able to blunt what could be 1 or 2 votes that really could take a

nomination. >> erin, do you share that sense of relief that manu and others have been describing that now, this controversial nomination? and what was undoubtedly going to be an explosive confirmation hearing process that essentially goes away now? >> i think there are many republicans across d.c. breathing a sigh of relief today. it was clear there was not only consternation from representative gaetz's former colleagues in the house but there certainly were in the senate. there was initial reporting that that those meetings had gone pretty well on the hill for him yesterday, but apparently that hell no caucus wasn't moving against him. and because of that, he's not able to go forward. so this process kind of worked the way it should at this point. and now it's up to the president elect to get somebody into that role. >> do you think, erin, there's more scrutiny on pete hegseth now that gaetz is out? >> well there's going to be rolling scrutiny on each of these people, right? they'll all get their moment in the sun and in the spotlight. and with the heat question in the hall today. he's gargling. he's a little

bit unafraid and a bit more coming at this with his chest out through the nomination process we'll see how that posturing works for him. he was unafraid to take that question today. i think that's a better sign for him being able to get through this process. >> megan, what do you think about the hegseth nomination now that these details in this police report from the incident in 2017 have emerged? >> yeah, i think that also the timing of gaetz with pulling back from his nomination is interesting with this police report coming out. i do think he's going to have an uphill battle. i think that more people are going to zone in on him, and more details are probably going to come out also, these things start to open a floodgate of things. so if there's more people or more information that comes out, i think it will be problematic for him as well. >> there's a couple differences, though just to just to point out quickly, which is that with respect to matt gaetz this has primarily been a conversation about fitness for office. his qualifications are maybe lighter than others who have been nominated for this position or held the position of attorney general in the back, but he was on oversight committees. it was really about the fitness and what this ethics investigation and the doj criminal investigation revealed about his his his fitness to serve in such a position with hegseth. it looks

like there's sort of two different pieces. one has to do with the fitness. and these allegations that will be explored. the second has to do with basic qualifications to lead the department of defense, which is a multi-billion dollar enterprise and critical to the u.s. national security. >> i was just going to say on this police report coming out, which is 22 pages. is there anything, as you look at this legal document that it sort of strikes you as unusual or something that stands out to you as a legal mind? >> well, this is this is a local, you know, this was a local police investigation. and so obviously they looked at it, but he was not prosecuted. so again, this falls into the category of an investigation again very different than any kind of federal investigation. this is a standard local police investigation. and they determined that they could not move forward. and that can be based on so many different factors, credibility of witnesses willingness of

witnesses to come forward and pursue the case often is an issue in local cases. >> you spoke a moment ago about the difference between an investigation carried out by the doj and a house ethics committee a congressional investigation obviously, one criminal, one political. how would you describe the capacity of a senate committee, let's say, in this case, the judiciary committee or others, to look into these allegations against hegseth? what resources are at their disposal to try to get some answers to the questions that are on the senator's minds? >> well, the confirmation process is fairly robust, and i agree with you that this this process is demonstrating that the constitutional system is actually working. it's a little bit ugly and a little bit, you know, messy, but it's actually working as far as the senate's ability to to advise and consent and individuals. so the confirmation process has questionnaires that are filled out. they can interview people. and again, the big way that they're able to demonstrate their effort is through the

public hearings. if they have them because then they can call witnesses and they can ask under oath of the individual who's trying to step into this position and then they can compare those types of information. >> erin, what problems does this report about pete hegseth present? do you see any? >> of course. i mean, when he goes into a hearing, i expect hours of questions regarding that police report from democrats on the committee and possibly from republicans on the committee as well, to be able to help balance his ability to answer those questions. you guys know you can ask the question the same way in two different ways and elicit an answer. so i think you might be able to see some of that it's something that pete is going to have to prep a lot for, to go into his hearings and to go into senators offices and have those one on one conversations about why he would work at the dod, what his vision would be, what he plans to do for president trump and his ability to address the accusations that were levied in that police report. >> and conversely megan, i had heard from some democrats that

they were looking forward to having someone like matt gaetz and now, obviously, pete hegseth up for a nomination because it presents a confirmation hearing, a unique opportunity to ask questions and position themselves as figures in the resistance, if you will. if the resistance is still a thing yet to be determined. now that that is reshaped with gates stepping out and hegseth stepping into this nomination process, what do you imagine that's going to look like what will democrats be looking to achieve? >> i mean, i definitely think that people are going to be looking to achieve if he has the character and the integrity and the fitness for office to serve in this role as dod, i think one thing about the military is sexual assault is a huge issue in the military. and i think that the democrats, you know, kristen gillibrand is a huge advocate for for this issue. and i think she would take her opportunity to try to ask a lot of questions and draw a lot of attention to this issue. but i do think democrats will take an opportunity here to say that the president elect is nominating people that are not fit to serve in his administration, in this administration, to lead our country forward. >> yeah, military sexual

assault is a plague on our on our military. and actually, i think we've seen for years and years we've seen terrible numbers. and there was just one indicator which we need to see if that's actually just a blip or if it is going in the right direction but that that would be the dod, erin, that pete hegseth would take over. >> and this is the opportunity to be able to address his vision for that. about he has served he has served abroad. he served in combat. i believe he knows what this looks like. he's seen the inside of the military infrastructure serving our nation with that said, it also gives him the opportunity to to really show a little bit of heart here and humanizing to address the sexual assault that happens in the military and how we're going to be able to root it out as a nation because if you are brave enough to put on any service uniform in this country and defend the red, white and blue, we should be able to defend you and make sure you're safe in doing so. and that includes sexual assault. this is an opportunity for him to show some heart when he has that talk erin. >> megan, kerry, thank you all so much for the conversation. appreciate it. still plenty

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for his arrest. >> the international criminal court accusing netanyahu and his former defense minister, yoav galant, of war crimes and crimes against humanity. the icc also issuing a warrant for hamas's military chief, mohammed deif, though israel claims that he was killed in an idf airstrike. netanyahu's office says that israel utterly rejects the absurd and false accusations, and the move compels icc members to now arrest netanyahu and galant. though key powers, including the united states, are not signatories. this all comes as the palestinian death toll from israel's war in gaza has climbed to more than 44,000 people, according to the health ministry there. let's get some perspective now from cnn senior national security analyst juliette kayyem. juliette, thank you so much for being with us. talk to us about the extent of the authority that the icc has to execute these warrants so it's not self-executing. >> so the international

criminal court is relatively new. it was it came out of basically a rome treaty in 2002. and it means that it's 100 signatories of which, you know, the united states is not one. are required or permitted to arrest the person under icc, essentially indictment should that person appear or be in their country. the icc is obviously in the in the midst of a very political fight. we'll get into that in a moment. but it is not recent or new that it would that it would go after world leaders leaders of countries. it it is putting netanyahu on the same plane as, as putin as well as assad in syria. we can debate whether that's correct. but this is consistent with what how the icc has seen its jurisdiction in terms of human rights violations and in particular, reading what

released today. they are very focused on food deprivation deprivation that that is really a triggering aspect of how the icc is framing this case against netanyahu and juliette, what are the practical implications for someone like prime minister netanyahu? >> obviously, he travels the world frequently now having this warrant out for his arrest. i imagine it limits him it will it would likely limit him or he'll get agreements from countries that he's going to travel to that they would not they're not required to arrest him. >> it's a sort of voluntary um, aspect of the icc. i think netanyahu travels less than he used to. there are very few countries that would want him, but he states. if he um, uh, in the past he's likely, uh, to meet with the new president, president trump. but but those sort of legal issues are sort of, you know, kind of in the, in the backdrop of what is

clearly a political getting into the merits of what you want to call what what the war is going on uh, between israel and and hamas, uh, it is also a war about, um images and about about visuals and about sort of a war with public perception. we see this in the united states and basically netanyahu and the israelis, as well as the united states, simply say, this is an inaccurate representation of what in fact, is going on in in gaza and are rejecting this basically, this description of what the war is, which is essentially it violates human rights. >> i wanted to ask you about the incoming senate majority leader, john thune threatening sanctions against the icc unless the prosecutor stops pursuing warrants against israeli officials over the

summer the house actually passed the bill to enact similar sanctions. do you think any kind of sanction could sway the icc and make it reverse course on these warrants >> i mean, when we decided not to be a signatory, we were taking a long view. lots of debates in legal circles about this that that uh, we would rather sit on the outside and criticize the icc or funding or try to control it. that way than be on the inside and have to always vote no or or or reject or or reject their findings and so we sort of made that decision decades ago in terms of the united states also quite political because of support for israel in this country but also growing condemnation in both political and, of course activist. um networks in terms

conducted. from what i've read from israel, it's only, you know, sort of strengthened the way netanyahu talks about the war and what his uh, what his goals are. so i think it will have little impact israeli alliance where it's going to have impact is in, in this sort of, sort of propaganda fight about what's going on in the middle east. uh, netanyahu is talking about a seven front war uh, and we see, you know, we see basically a war. we don't call it that in lebanon of what israel is doing and elsewhere. and so to the extent you're seeing the middle east and the arab countries, uh refocus and realign in ways that we're barely talking about in the united states in particular, a growing saudi arabia iranian, uh network or sort of i wouldn't call it a friendship but a growing acquaintance between those two. um

is going to change the dynamics for israel. and and, look, i recognize as much as anyone the, the politics of this, the the concerns that it reflects anti-semitism and the concerns that is that it is a condemnation of israel's self-defense. but we cannot deny that over a year later, there is also a lot of evidence of what is happening in gaza, and that is what the icc ran with juliette kayyem very much appreciate your analysis. >> thanks for joining us thank you. >> thank you. >> still to come another another e coli outbreak, this time in ground beef. we'll break down what you need to know. plus it's something you learn in kindergarten. do not cut in line. and now just ahead of the busy holiday travel season, american airlines is cracking down on passengers who are boarding planes before their assigned groups are called how they're pointing them out and shaming them

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airline largest airline in the u.s. has nine. count them nine boarding groups. really? ten? when you consider pre-boarding group one, of course boards. first, if you're not familiar with this, that's pretty much those with first class tickets. group nine is the last. those are the folks with the cheapest basic economy tickets, the dreaded basic economy. there are few ways to get status in between group five, you have an american credit card. group six you have a frequent flier account. you can kind of see why people might get confused by this, or simply just try to cut the boarding sequence. and there is a name that those who this is put out by a lot of the travel avgeek bloggers. they're called gate lice. and so now when the gate agent scans their boarding pass you can hear this audible alert. here it is again dinosaur to the tar pits. that one. when the passenger hears that they they really get sent back to the penalty box in a

way as to rejoin the line when they're proper group is called. this is a pretty simple piece of tech. this is on a gate agent's smartphone. an american has been testing this some smaller airports like albuquerque and tucson, a bigger hub reagan national airport, has been one of the test beds just outside of d.c. here. but american says this will also be in place at austin-bergstrom and atlanta. hartsfield jackson in time for the holidays. atlanta is the busiest airport in the u.s. then about 100 additional airports. beyond that, this is significant because american is expecting about 8.3 million passengers over the thanksgiving rush on a total of about 77,000 flights. flying with somebody in an earlier group? >> that's the question you asked us in the break, boris. >> american is thought of that. the gate agent has a way to press a button and override and accept that person's boarding pass so they're not bumped to the back of the line but you might hear that gentle sound first. >> gentle dulcet.

>> crank it up to 11. >> what would you prefer to hear, pete? i mean, it seems. >> it seems like you don't want the womp womp is good. >> somebody invoke their narcissistic rage. possibly. see violence. >> yeah. these these gate lights are not the kind of people you want to toy with. you know what i think, though? >> yeah. the layoffs are really bad collodion full slime watch. i'm right there with you. i never i never cut in line. i'm a rule follower. >> i like to bring someone along. >> that sound is our producers telling us to stop. yeah, that's the wrap. john king. >> yeah. and you know what? >> it doesn't work. >> just going to keep. sadly, there's no gate agent here to stop us. pete muntean unleashed right here. thanks so much. anytime. appreciate you. just ahead. first it was onions at mcdonald's. then bags of organic carrots. and now we're going to tell you about another e coli outbreak that's impacting restaurants nationwide. what is going on with e coli

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this latest scare here, it involves the detroit based wolverine packing company. tell us about it. >> that's right. this latest recall is specifically for ground beef that has been shipped to restaurants. >> these restaurants are located across the united states. and as you mentioned, brianna, we do know that there have been at least 15 people getting sick as part of this outbreak. but this latest e coli outbreak really does raise the question, what is going on here it seems like we are seeing more of these kinds of outbreaks. and when you look at cdc numbers, it does seem to be the case. the cdc data shows that there's been about a 25% increase in certain types of e coli infections that were diagnosed through testing last year compared with the years 2016 through 2018. and i will say just in general, we know that every year about 1 in 6 people are diagnosed with a foodborne illness so this is something that we know has been

an ongoing public health concern. sometimes foodborne illnesses can lead to hospitalizations, can lead to deaths. so this is something that's been on public health officials radar. and again, we just seem to be seeing more and more diagnoses of certain e coli infections brianna, is there a reason for that? >> it really is a complex situation but some researchers point to climate change we know with warmer temperatures that can accelerate the growth of bacteria on produce extreme weather events can lead to crop contamination. >> and we also know that just in general at the cdc the fda, these federal government agencies are getting better at detecting outbreaks, at diagnosing e coli infections and other kinds of foodborne illnesses, and really testing for this. so we do have better surveillance and of course, with thanksgiving coming up, brianna, there are ways we can all reduce our risk of foodborne illnesses like you see here. wash your hands. make sure raw food does not

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herds and droughts make it harder for them to survive. now, the u.s. fish and wildlife service believes it's time to list several species of giraffe as either endangered or threatened. >> three of these subspecies of northern giraffes have seen their populations crash by 77% since 1985. joining us now is ron mcgill, the communications director for zoo miami. and ron, we mentioned some of the things that are contributing to this decline but of course, another factor is actually the black market, a black market for giraffe parts which is something that will surprise a lot of people. but tell us about that and how much of a threat this is. >> well, anybody who's traveled to africa, i mean, i've been there dozens of times. one of the things that has sold a lot of times in the markets are giraffe hair bracelets they use the pelts for a lot of things. i've seen giraffe bones carved into different types of things that they sell to tourists that, plus the meat, you know you're getting in areas now where there's famine, where there's drought and people are getting

desperate and a giraffe is an easy target. the other sad thing about that is actual trophy hunting. and i, you know, i don't want to put too much of my personal opinion on this, but i don't see how you can put sport into hunting a giraffe again, having been out there many, many times to africa, you know, hunting giraffe is like hunting trees hmm. >> ron, what would be the best way to stop or limit that kind of poaching and the use of giraffe products and the sale of giraffe products? is there an effective way? >> well, again, it's education making people realize, i think people go out. they don't realize that this is happening to giraffe and they buy these things. and of course, the supply and demand. but if this endangered species act, if they get listed as endangered or threatened and protected animals, then people won't be able to bring those things into the country. it would become much like an ivory situation where that builds awareness and hopefully reduces the demand. and and this, you know this purge on giraffes starts to slow down because, listen, all the species of giraffe there's about nine different species of giraffe

has gone down. we've lost 40% of the population in the last 30 years. >> it's the numbers are staggering when you look at that last 40 years. so you detailed that that you want people not buying these trinkets when they go overseas. and bringing them back. obviously that takes some awareness so they know you know, not to do that. they're not going to be able to bring it back. can you talk i mean, is there anything besides that that happens when you're talking about finalizing this proposal and putting several of these species on the classification as endangered or threatened? >> well, it's just again it's just bringing it across. the fact that you're talking about it right now on cnn is a huge thing. i'm sure people are watching this going, i had no idea that giraffe were being threatened like this. there's an old saying that says, in the end, we protect what we love. we love what we understand, and we understand what we're taught and it's our job to teach people about this, because i believe people are basically good. they don't want to hurt animals. if they knew that this was happening with this population crash is happening

out there, i think there would be much less of a demand. and, you know, if you've ever looked at giraffe, you know, you can come zoo here in miami and feed a giraffe eye to eye. look at those eyelashes. look, this is one of the most non-aggressive beautiful animals you could ever imagine. the thought of people going out there trophy hunting these animals to me, is absolutely disgusting ron, i do wonder when you say that these animals are not aggressive. >> i've seen footage of giraffes fighting and it is intense. tell us a little bit about that. >> sure. of course. these are giraffe fighting amongst each other. the males, you know, what happens is, is the females get in heat and as often happens females tend to make males a little stupid and they get very aggressive with each other. they swing their necks at each other like bats. basically, they don't kick at each other they swing their necks and their heads, and that's basically to get dominance so that the stronger giraffe is the one that's passing on the genes to the next generation. he's the one that gets to dominate the herd. giraffe generally speaking, not aggressive towards people. they can be very defensive. i've seen i've seen a giraffe actually kill a lioness trying to kill her calf with one kick.

broke the lioness back in africa so they can be very dangerous that way. but as far as humans go, i've never heard of a giraffe attacking a human. they were one of the most gentle animals, non-aggressive animals on the face of the planet. they will defend themselves and they will fight amongst each other to pass on the strongest gene but it's a dude problem to be clear, for us, they are beautiful, ron. >> and we we thank you so much for making people aware of this and talking to us about it. thank you. >> thanks so much, ron just ahead the president elect's controversial pick for attorney general withdraws from consideration as he faces scrutiny over sexual misconduct allegations for you are pretty obvious. >> yeah, but what are the cons? we could run out of news before then. that would never happen. >> have i got news for you? saturday at nine on cnn and stream next day on max

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