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live starts right now goodbye to matt gaetz for now and taps pam bondi to be his next attorney general. >> the dramatic reporting behind this changeup plus jussie smollett's conviction for staging a maga hate crime, has gotten overturned. but a prosecutor deeply involved in the legal drama isn't surprised at all. the attorney for cook county is my guest, and an alleged hoax of a very different kind. a wisconsin kayaker who police thought had drowned is now accused of faking his own death and telling the sheriff just how he pulled it off. tonight on laura coates live the old switcheroo. florida style. he's making his new pick for attorney general.

hours after former congressman matt gaetz bowed out, he now wants former florida attorney general pam bondi to take a sledgehammer to the very department he has vowed to gut. now, she doesn't have the same baggage. we'll say that gaetz has, and she has more than a decade of experience as a prosecutor. but there is similarity, and not that they're both floridians. pam bondi is a maga loyalist, just like matt gaetz, representing the former president during his first impeachment. remember that? she also showed up during his hush money trial in manhattan and defended him outside that courthouse. >> i've never seen anything like this. a judge is supposed to be a neutral arbiter of facts. first of all, this case was declined by many years for this from the southern district of new york by the department of justice by multiple jurisdictions. yet they bring it on the heels of a presidential election. >> so just how did we get here? i'm talking about a new pick

for attorney general in just what, six hours? a source telling us that trump personally called gaetz this morning. the message you don't have the votes to get confirmed talk about a turnaround. trump was all in on gaetz just days ago. and today he appeared to fold after realizing that that writing was on the wall. you got to know when to hold em know when to fold em know when to walk away and know when to run. you never count your money when you're sitting at the table. okay. it's playing time. all right. sorry. my grandmother happened to love kenny rogers. but you walk you run. you take your pick either way, it's a big relief for many republicans. and frankly, they're making it known. senators like lisa murkowski and susan collins will avoid the prospect of having to vote on someone facing serious allegations. and they are

allegations that he has denied of sexual misconduct with a minor. but now they've got a different choice to make. enter pam bondi. we're learning that her name was being thrown around almost immediately after gaetz threw in his towel. trump allies and advisers quickly coalesced around her, but here's a question those same republican senators will have to grapple with were the baggage the only reason they tanked? matt gaetz? because when it comes to what trump wants from his next ag the task might very well be the same. just compare the trump announcements of bondi on the left and gaetz on the right. trump wants to end what he calls the weaponization at the justice department, and bondi's own words match up with the lines on those statements. i want to bring in national reporter for the bulwark mark caputo. also here is cnn political commentator shermichael singleton, who served as deputy chief of staff for hud under the trump administration, and karen finney, who served as senior

spokesperson for hillary clinton's 2016 campaign. glad to have all of you here. i'll begin with you mark, if we can. you've got some reporting on just how all of this went down, how the withdrawal from gates came about. tell us what you know i guess you can call it a withdrawal. >> it was as i reported earlier today, trump called him. he said during the conversation, you don't have the votes. these senators aren't moving. gates acknowledged there were 4 to 6 hard nosed against him and gates saw the writing on the wall. and as someone had told me, he fell on his sword kind of as simple as that. in the end donald trump didn't have the stomach to go through with a high profile fight like this. his team wants to get things accomplished. they don't want to pick fights with congress and they decided not to do the recess appointment route. so down goes gates. >> i mean, sure michael, those those no votes, they seem to be quite clear. maybe you could guess some of the ones that were there. but sources telling

cnn that there were up to maybe ten hard nosed, they couldn't afford to have all those. by the way, shermichael but did senators today? did they send a message to trump about the limitations, perhaps, of his power for that advise and consent function? >> i mean, i guess some could see it that way, but the reality is no one wants to vote for a potential nominee when there is drip, drip drips from the ethics committee, potentially a democrat or someone else could leak the entire report and you vote for someone and you put your name behind backing someone. and there are allegations out there where now all of a sudden, if you're a staffer to a senator, senators are to get away from reporters asking, would your constituents be comfortable with someone with these types of allegations out there? so i'm not surprised by this at all. i think pam bondi is a great choice. 20 years as a prosecutor, eight of those years as attorney general from florida, a major state, she has the experience our elie honig said she's one of the most experienced individuals, if confirmed, to lead doj, this

was a great choice. a lot of republicans are happy about it, and i think things will move forward as they should do you think the reason that they were not supporting him were the allegations alone or what he possibly could do to the justice department? i think the allegations alone. look, matt gaetz, this is no surprise. mark has written about this. he doesn't have a lot of friends on capitol hill. you know, that's just a reality in the house and also in the senate. you hear mark there chuckling. it's true. so when you have allegations plus that lack of rapport with your former colleagues, it certainly doesn't make it an easy path. >> let me ask you, karen, a little bit about pam bondi. it was just within hours when gates withdrew that we learned that she'd be the pick now, some people know her from that courthouse moment. first woman to be the florida attorney general she also, i think, is close with lara trump. they had campaigned on an issue trying to ban dog racing in the state of florida. she also is somebody who was, i think that she was a part of the same organization of lobbyists that

susie wiles was a part of as well, and actually used to run. so she is very well known in these circles. in addition to her prosecutor experience, when you look at her as a candidate though, does she check the boxes? do you think for choice? >> well, look, i think democrats recognize that trump should nominate whoever he wants. and all of those individuals should absolutely go through a process and i actually disagree with shermichael. i believe that republican senators were trying to send a message to the president that to say, we can't don't expect we can just rubber stamp this, particularly with the specter of having a woman come and testify to the committee that when she was 17, which we have been hearing this young woman was potentially willing to come and testify about her. this conduct with matt gaetz. it's sort of interesting with pam bondi, though, because there was a time in the united states of america when let's just say you maybe were part of a major

scheme to lie to the american people about the 2020 election. you were an election denier, and you went around the country and you supported that that some might have said that would disqualify you to be the top law enforcement official in the country but this is where trump has drug us down to. i mean, this is an example in my mind of yes, she has at least the legal ethical concern about a $25,000 payment that was made by one of the trump organizations when she was running at a time when she was considering joining other states attorneys general in a case against trump. >> to be clear, i want to i want to address that because in 2016, news did emerge that trump paid a $2,500 fine because his foundation improperly donated 25,000 to her election committee. in 2013, before her office opted not to pursue a fraud investigation. now, trump eventually paid $25 million, as you know, to settle that, and she has said that this was unbeknownst to her this was

even happening. but let me get to mark for a second on this issue, because she is clearly a trump loyalist. what do you think got her the job >> in 2016, when there was still a republican primary in the state and marco rubio was still running against donald trump as the favorite son, only republican came out and endorsed donald trump before the wasn't rick scott, and that was just a kind of an example of her very close association with him. on election night, i saw her at the palm beach convention center, the palm beach county convention center, and she told me then what she told me in the past, like, i don't want to go to washington. i'm happy in private life. i love my life. >> but obviously a lot's changed all of a sudden then, huh? >> yes, indeed. but you know, the job was put to her people always say they're not interested until they. >> i was just going to say. they always say they're not interested until you get offered the gig and then it starts to sound a little more enticing, i think. >> well mark, it's a big gig,

too. >> yeah it's a very big gig. >> but the question is for people, if if matt gaetz was synonymous with retribution, what is the expectation that she will be synonymous with? >> i imagine that she is going to follow through on what donald trump wants that means mainly not the retribution stuff, albeit they are going to try to find a few folks in that office that they say are political actors. and i don't want to get in that debate. that's for others to figure out at a later time. the big thing for them to focus on is immigration. the department of justice is going to play a very important role in implementing this mass deportation program, as well as other aspects like what matt gaetz was talking about with senators right before he withdrew a new ways to crack down on fentanyl, not just the immigration issue, but also going through the the civil rights division, making sure that it focuses more on anti-semitism and less on stopping states like virginia

from cleaning voter rolls. these are very specific, targeted issues that are important to trump or important to gaetz and are going to be important to pam bondi when she takes over. >> we'll see. they will certainly set the priorities for a lot of this to these line attorneys, most of whom are career personnel. mark shermichael karen, thank you all. so much. former congressman matt gaetz bid for attorney general. that may be over. but, you know, there are a lot of lingering questions over the release of this ethics report, including what is in it. here's what the chairman of the house ethics committee says should happen next i think that this should end the discussion of whether or not the ethics committee should continue to move forward in this matter. >> he has withdrawn his nomination. he is no longer a member of congress. and so i think that this settles any involvement that the ethics committee should have in any matters involving mr. gaetz >> well, joining me now, a member of the house ethics committee, democratic

congressman glenn ivey out of maryland, good to have you here. listen your committee chair suggesting that gaetz dropping out means there's no no need to release the report. do you agree? >> no, i don't know that that's necessarily my view. there's certainly precedent for releasing ethics committee reports after someone has retired from the congress. there's even precedent for releasing it after someone has passed away so i don't know that the fact that he dropped out of the attorney general position means that the the report should be kept private. >> why release it if he's not a member of congress anymore? >> well, for example, in one of those scenarios, i want to say it was the bonnor case he was considering running for other office. and so i know that mr. gaetz is a young man. i know that he has not relinquished for sure the congressional seat. he's been reelected to congress. so he resigned from the current seat but he's congressman elect still. so he could actually take that position on january 3rd if he

wants. >> do you think he might endeavor to do that? >> i don't know, i'm not in matt gaetz head for sure, but that's a possibility. he could also, if marco rubio is confirmed for the senate, he could pursue that position and i've also read that he's looking at running for governor of florida. so the fact that all of those are in play, i think, is something the committee should consider is the report done? i can't get into the particulars of that. but at the end of the day, i think the bottom line is should the information come out and be made public, and my view is is that it should if he were to return to congress, should the report come out? yeah. i mean, i think, you know, at this point and what's determined in the prior precedent and the decision to release reports is that should the public know this information, and i think the answer is, is yes to that. >> so if it were the judicial branch are always weighing the sort of cost benefit analysis the public's interest in knowing information versus

private and privacy rights, when you look at the weighing of those two things, does the fact that he's right now a resigned member from congress does that outweigh the public's interest in what the house committee has been devoted to doing? should they know as a matter of just public interest, let alone the senators, what the public should ought to know? >> well, i mean, i don't want to get into what's in the report and that sort of thing. but i do think that there's enough that's been discussed that to the extent he might decide to become a candidate for other office or even an appointee in another position in the trump administration, it makes sense for the public to know what's in the report. so the own conclusions. >> there's been a lot of emphasis, of course, on the sexual allegations. does the scope of the investigation broaden beyond that? >> i can't talk about that at this point. we've got a meeting coming up on december 5th where the committee will determine what the next steps are going to be, where it goes, i think,

though, is internal deliberations that i really shouldn't talk about at this point. but i look forward to us coming together. we've had the ability to work together and get things done on a bipartisan basis previously, especially with santos. hopefully we'll be able to do that again here at times it's been unanimous really quick. >> apart from the house ethics committee, what are you hearing from your colleagues about matt gaetz's resignation and now removal from nomination? >> well, my colleagues left town. so i mean, what we heard, we have a group chat. what's going on well, what we heard, really last was the resolutions that went to the floor to you know, have the house vote on whether to release the the report and the backing up documents publicly. and the question now is going to be whether they bring those forward, even though he's dropped out of consideration, i don't know what the decision is going to be on that. we'll have to see when we get back in session congressman glenn ivey, thank you so much for joining. thanks for having me well, he claimed maga hat wearing men

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smollett said that he was the victim of a racist and homophobic attack in chicago in 2019. at the time, he claimed that two men wearing maga hats targeted him with racist and homophobic slurs. now, smollett around his neck and yelled out, this is maga country! now, according to investigators, they believe smollett was charged, but the cook county state's attorney reached an agreement to dismiss the case in exchange for community service and a $10,000 dollar bond. that outraged many people in chicago, and it made its way across the nation as well, with some of the top politicians weighing in. a special prosecutor was brought in to investigate and smollett was charged again. he stood trial and he was convicted in 2022. now, today, to bring it current, the supreme court of illinois unanimously overturned that very conviction. they ruled that smollett's trial should have never even

happened. they didn't get to the substance of the facts, but because of that initial agreement with the prosecutors, the special prosecutor says today's decision, quote does not clear jesse smollett's name. he is not innocent, unquote. now smollett's lawyer argues the exact opposite. >> i must say this jesse is back to where he was. he's presumed innocent. >> well, joining me now, kim foxx, the cook county state's attorney behind the initial deal with smollett. she joins me this morning. good evening. thank you so much for being here. kim you you called the second criminal case against smollett. at one point, mob justice. do you feel vindicated by the supreme court's decision today thank you for having >> i feel like the supreme court decision affirms what i learned in my first semester of my first year of law school which is that you cannot try someone for the same crime twice. and so it's vindicating in that we should never have

been here in the first place, because we find ourselves back where we were in march of 2019. >> you can sum it up by thinking, look a deal is a deal. and he performed his end of the obligation. the community service, the relinquishment of that bond that seemed to be the agreement that was made. and yet he was still charged. nonetheless, after a special prosecutor came in and got involved. why do you think that special prosecutor truly became involved in this case preeminent prosecutors in this country. >> he was a former u.s. attorney for the northern district. here. he worked on iran-contra. he is a prosecutor who knows the law extremely well. dan webb also knew from the very beginning that this would be double jeopardy. i think the cries and demand for justice if you will. um was driven by a desire to get a different outcome and the law doesn't allow us to do that.

and dan webb knew that from the very beginning, which is why it's no surprise that a unanimous illinois supreme court said that this was not proper. so i think politics were at play and dan webb was allowed to participate in a political act. >> many people wonder whether he got a sweetheart deal. that was always the phrasing of this. i think, you know, i have been a prosecutor. you and i have talked about this the idea that prosecutorial discretion sometimes is very offensive to people and the choices people make about the plea agreements they offer. why did you choose this route as opposed to a more severe punishment well, first and foremost, as you know largest county in the country and we have the second largest prosecutor's office in the country. >> and we are dealing with every day on the ground here issues of gun violence, sexual assault, domestic violence, very serious cases. what mr. smollett was charged with was

disorderly conduct. he was charged with filing a false police report and in cases like that, with someone who doesn't have a criminal background, generally, we would offer what we call a diversion program or an alternative prosecution. and this was someone who didn't live in chicago, who worked here. and so what was offered to him was similar to what we would offer someone else. but he was allowed to do his community service in advance. he forfeited his bond. and that is in line with someone charged with this level of offense. that's what he got. he was actually treated like everyone else. the secondary prosecution where the criminal justice system was upended to go after him again that is beyond what our constitution allows. >> what would be the impact in your office for prosecutors, in your county? >> frankly, across the nation, if this were allowed to stand and a defendant could make a

deal, hold up his or her end of the bargain, and then later on, because of public outrage you could say, never mind i want something different. yeah it would absolutely upend our criminal justice system. >> and really, when when the constitution was formed and the ten amendments were put in the fifth amendment that allows for protections for the accused was that at stake here and at the end of the day, when you make an agreement and we knew that all along, when you make an agreement and someone fulfills that agreement that contractual obligation between the two should stand. if we are allowed to have political prosecutions or, as his defense attorney said prosecutions based on mob outrage, then as a prosecutor who took an oath to uphold the constitution of illinois and the united states, then there's no place for me. and what happened here and what is frustrating to me, is that the

prosecutor who the special prosecutor, knew that the judge who appointed him knew that. and somehow thought that they would escape the ultimate eyes of judgment of the supreme court, which found that you cannot do this. this is fundamentally against our constitutional principles. >> now, just to be clear and many people followed this story from the inception. they they want the court to focus on the merits of the underlying allegations that he made. this appellate court did not do that. he's always professed his innocence. why didn't you have him admit any guilt in the original deal? why? many people want to know. wasn't that part of it? was that normal we have agreements where people can do conditions without necessarily having to admit guilt. >> i think at the end of the day, this case was something unlike anything i had ever seen, not just the underlying allegations, but the intense media scrutiny that was involved. we're talking about.

our courthouses were packed with cameras, packed with reporters. i had child sexual assault victims having to walk around to get to their courtrooms beyond the spectacle. and so i think what was at play here was how do we ensure that there is some accountability for the action we can't even make the offer for the agreement if we don't believe that. mr. smollett was culpable. and so we did that. so you believe that he was not dispose of this case no, i mean, ethically, you know, this is a former prosecutor. we can't ask you to perform community service or forfeit your bond. if i don't believe that i have the merits to take this case to court. so that was never an issue for us. the indictment that our office issued for mr. smollett was the same evidence that was ultimately used against him in the secondary trial. so this wasn't a matter of whether or not we believed in his guilt or innocence. it was a matter of how do we dispose of this case and allow our resources to go after those who are engaged in

violent criminal acts and still have accountability for what happened here? >> he maintains his innocence to this very day and there are those who look at the discretion that was exercised, especially in a time when we talk about who is above the law and all of those things. do you think this case represents justice what prosecutorial discretion is all about, which is empowering prosecutors to decide how to use their limited resources to advance for justice in their communities. >> and at the end of the day mr. smollett, and what has happened in the five years since and the millions of dollars of taxpayer money that have gone into a secondary prosecution on a nonviolent low level, one step above a misdemeanor case that is not justice. i believe the people of cook county who have had to pay for this second prosecution, that, again, the

special prosecutor knew at the outset was not a proper prosecution, is not justice. i think we find ourselves back where we were in march 2019, and i believe that the disposition of that case while may be different than what many would have expected, was proper county attorney kim foxx, thank you so much for your views tonight thank you also tonight, i mean, there's this bizarre mystery happening now. >> it took a very interesting turn. a father who faked his own death in a wisconsin lake surfaces in a video confirming that he not only is alive, but he's in europe he didn't expect us to go more than two weeks in searching for him picked the wrong sheriff in the wrong department so what happens now? the sheriff you just heard from joins me now

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problem no problem. >> ah there's a problem. this all began on august 12th when borgwardt, who went out fishing on wisconsin's green lake and he never returned home later that day, his capsized kayak was found along with a trailer a tackle box was found with his keys, his wallet and also his license, and that set off a massive seven week effort to search the bottom of that lake looking for any signs of borgwardt. nothing ever came up until months later, when authorities discovered his passport had been run by canadian officials. turns out he wasn't missing at all. so how in the world did he pull this all off? well, here's green lake sheriff mark podoll explaining this whole scheme he stashed an e-bike near the boat launch.

>> he paddled his kayak in a child sized floating boat out into the lake he overturned the kayak and dumped his phone in the lake. he paddled the inflatable boat to shore and got out and got on his bike and rode through the night to madison and madison. he boarded a bus and went to detroit and then the canadian border. he continued on the bus to an airport and got on a plane not a spur of the moment decision. >> think about this planning. and now the big question is, will borgwardt return to wisconsin? joining me now, sheriff mark podoll of green lake county, wisconsin, sheriff pardoel this story is truly unbelievable. so many people followed your team's search for this father and husband who they thought was missing. and you've been speaking to borgwardt nearly every day for

the last ten days. why did he do this? why would he try to abandon his family through the communications that we had, he felt that it was better for him to stage his death and to leave um and that would help his family. >> and that's all we know right now. >> when you've spoken to him, what was like his tone and demeanor? was he flippant? is he distraught? is he dismissive what? >> no, i think he's right now. i think he's feeling, uh loneliness inside um he's his communication has been uh. i guess rather professional um, he talks

states that he's okay. um he planned it, but he didn't plan it to work out the way it did. >> well you spent seven weeks searching at the bottom of a lake for borgwardt. i mean, the cost was nearly $40,000 for the search. let alone the manpower, the effort, the emotional investment. you still haven't filed any charges against him. do you intend to do that yes. >> in the coming weeks, we will file charges uh, through our district attorney's office. uh for, um our charges and then the federal authorities are continuing to look at what they can find. and they will do that. >> sheriff, does he know that you intend to seek charges? and could that contribute to his decision of whether to return

yes he does. >> we talked about that in our communications and what the consequences might be. >> has he through you tried to reach out to his wife, his children or them directly uh, no he is not. >> do you know why heavy heart um, he's not sure how his children will react. >> mhm. uh because he he let them down. he did. um and, uh, he's put them through a lot so i think he's, he's just not quite ready. um, and we're hoping that, uh, we continue to, uh um, have our communications and that they will come soon. >> you know, sheriff, there was a moment in today's press conference when you became

emotional. i just want to play that for the audience for a moment better gift you could give the kids just to be there for christmas i mean, just as you've articulated it it must have been really difficult for the family, for the community and frankly, you these past three months, what kind of toll has this taken sheriff uh, very about the children and what they're going through, uh, at first, their dad had drowned in the lake, and uh, then he's alive and then they see him on a video that, uh, he's okay. >> and, you know, there's a lot going through him. um, our department is very small. um, and we work very close together

and i can't be more proud of them um to continue our efforts. you know, there could have came a time when we just said you know, it's enough. enough. but we never did that, and we did that for the family. we want to bring them closure and uh, we're in a we're in an area now where we just try to try to get him home safe on us soil sheriff mark podoll thank you so much for sharing i can't imagine what the family has gone through and it seems like you might be an extended member of it now. >> thank you so much you're welcome itself, the internet melting down over the company's new car, less car ad? is it an overreaction or something more? plus, lebron james calling it a career from social media. not even blue sky. what's going on?

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luxury vehicle has chased down bond on several occasions and touts a top quality performance but slumping sales have led the carmaker to pursue a kind of rebrand, unveiling a brand new ad that has the internet frankly losing its mind maybe because the ad is missing something very important cars take a look for yourself officer is defending the car less ad don't wait for it. it's not coming. there's no car in the ad saying it represents a new quote, exuberant modernism. but people on the internet, they didn't see the exuberant modernism elon musk tweeted do you sell cars? another user on x writing awful, awful ad. is it supposed to rescue your tarnished brand? it's a little harsh to which

jaguar responded this is a renaissance now some conservative accounts have launched the usual woke attacks against the ad, calling it bud light 2.0 because it features multiracial and gender bending models one user writing boycott jaguar, along with any other business that still doesn't get it. where's the it? i wonder? jaguar replied. thanks for the feedback we'll be sure to pass it on to the team. best wishes. the new version of noted so did this rebrand do more harm than good, or is the amount of buzz it's generating online all part of the master plan? well, to answer that question, we bring in cnn contributor cari champion and comedian pete dominick. good to see you both. hey friends, i'll begin with you, pete, who's smiling in such an odd way. you must have an opinion is this bud light 2.0? >> i mean, i'm not sure. i

just know that as an affluent white man, this ad made me feel unseen i'm not sure who they think they're selling their high end automobiles to, if not me i am deeply offended i wasn't sure of the gender of some of these people, and i'm really worried about their brand going forward. >> kerry, do you feel badly for the affluent white man that's on the screen right now named pete dominick well, i can only speak for myself as an affluent black woman and i definitely have zero problem with that commercial, because if we're getting our criticism from x, we're in trouble. >> that is a deeply dark space called social media. and if we care about what most people think about on social media, we're in we're in trouble. now, i'd like to say this coming from the world of sports, how many times have you seen nike do an ad with sneakers? anybody complaining?

i look around, nobody's complaining. they're all athletes right? of all different backgrounds, all colors and shapes and sizes. here's my point. if we run everything through x or formerly known as twitter, we are in trouble. that place is not the litmus test for most sane americans or a litmus test for anything. >> i know you were being facetious, by the way. pete dominick just so we're clear, i got the humor. i did see it. carrey did too. but i mean, it's a perfect segue. she just gave me on the area of sports because lebron james is taking a break from social media saying amen to a post from sports agent rick kleiman who argues that sports media only covers sports. quote through negative takes. carrey what's going on here with lebron why is he doing it? is it and now why? why this time i you know what here's a couple of things about lebron that i don't think people take into consideration. >> he's taken many breaks from social media, especially when

he early on when he was trying to win his very first chip. you remember that when he was in miami? i do believe the reason why he's taking a break now, because for someone for so long who has been in the public eye since he was a teenager, now 40 years old, he's exhausted criticized consistently day in and day out? first, it was his decision when he went to miami, huge criticism and i you know, i can go back even before that. but i'll start there. monumental moment and then when he was very vocal and he spoke out about politics and what he believes, lots of criticism which came up with the shut up, shut up and dribble at all. and then most recently, his son, his son is now playing in the league b league be it first in the pros for a while, there's criticism as to him being the dad that forced the lakers hand. i'm exhausted too. i just want to do my job. i mean, he's at 40 years old, he's in his last season. he's he's like, okay, you know, i don't even know if it's his last season. check me for that. i mean he's in the last leg the last legs of his career and he and he is tired and i

understand that. and you deserve whatever break you need. because as i said before that place is a cesspool. and it's well, pete, you're nodding along. >> i want you to respond to what stephen a smith said today. listen >> it wasn't just playing. it was learning to feed off of the narrative, to build your own brand. i don't want to hear that nonsense from them. who the hell y'all think y'all talking to with your hypocritical? you ain't getting away with that. you you you you you feed off of this. you profited off of this play basketball handle your business, save the lecture for other people. when you fed off >> what's your response pete does he have a point at all no i mean listen lebron james is one of the most influential americans of our generation period full stop. >> he is a role model. he understands how much of a role

model he is. i read into this and any behavior from someone as respected as he is by so many americans as i'm going to show you how to be. social media is unhealthy. everybody has an opinion. be a good person don't listen to these haters. no matter james knows exactly what he's doing. i grew up idolizing in the nba at least michael jordan. we all did but michael jordan never really took a stance he infamously, in my opinion, said, you know what? republicans buy shoes too lebron james didn't copy his idol. he has spoken out. he has been brave. he's a role model for so many americans, including young white americans. but every young white person or every person, i should say, who uses social media is learning from his role model. i mean, i just don't buy those kind of criticisms. this guy can do whatever he wants, and he's been almost pitch perfect throughout his career. so i think it's a great role modeling behavior for all of us. we should all get off social media. >> oh okay. done. cory champion

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