few maga loyalists and fox news favorites. it all adds up to a cabinet that is united not by dogma, but by loyalty to trump and his vision. over the weekend, mike allen and jim vandehei, writing this in axios quote, lost in the noise of trump's most controversial picks is the simple undebatable fact that this might be the most ideologically diverse cabinet of modern times. the team represents the trump worldview traditional conservatism is dead, and its biggest lifelong advocates neutered to the point of irrelevance. a trump transition source told us that most of the picks are a version of trump in their thinking and approach. they're fearless disrupters who can walk into these buildings and know they have a mandate for reform and change. a mandate for reform. if of course, they can land the job. trump has suffered at least one defeat on that front so far. matt gaetz withdrawing his name from consideration for attorney general just eight days after it had

i think ultimately, this is a decision that president trump made to bring in another disrupter. >> and i think if you look at this election, it was disrupter versus establishment. he ran on this in the end. >> it is the republicans that are going to have to make a decision if these people are qualified for these jobs, they have the votes. >> the president has done this job before. he knows exactly what he needs. he knows who he wants to put in those positions. >> he wants us to have these hearings done quickly and expeditiously. i've said, i'm more than happy to work through the weekends as long as it takes to get this done. >> from what i'm hearing from my republican colleagues on everything from defense secretary to other posts, it sounds like they are ready to roll over for mr. trump all right. >> our panel is here to discuss isaac dovere, cnn senior reporter lulu garcia-navarro cnn contributor, and the new

york times journalist megan hayes, the former director of message planning at the biden white house and matt gorman, republican strategist and former adviser to tim scott's presidential campaign. welcome to all of you. thank you so much for being here. so, matt, we focused so much on, you know, obviously there number of donald trump's nominees. matt gaetz, of course withdrew in no small part over them but some of these, the ideological diversity on display, not something that a lot of the republicans in the senate are going to be used to voting for. i mean, the abortion rights question with kennedy, the union questions for the labor secretary pick, he's asking for a lot. >> you know, as you're reading the axios snippet, i thought about the fact that look, this was an ideologically diverse coalition that enabled trump to win it was the teamsters in a lot of respects speaking at the republican convention, you had a working class vote. obviously, some of the kennedy vote you had go to trump. so in a in large part, this is a makeup of the voting coalition for trump that propelled him to win. and you're right there's some murmuring on the right about lori chavez-deremer and her ties to kind of unions,

close ties to unions. but also, you're seeing a little bit of grumbling about kennedy and i think, you know, it seems that pete hegseth gabbard and kennedy are among the trio that will have kind of the toughest confirmation fight my money right now could be on kennedy having the toughest simply because you're getting it from the right with the abortion or the pro-life advocates and you're also having kind of pharma food processors. there's a lot of kind of industry, shall we say industries. yeah, that could come in and oppose him. >> yeah. i mean, it's interesting, meghan. i mean, we've we've quoted a gop reporting who said that tulsi gabbard actually may have the toughest confirmation fight. others that on this program have noted that if something is going to protect rfk jr., it is his connection with voters. right? and like his kennedy name and the fact that he has sort of popularity and is well known in a way that some of these others aren't. >> yeah, i think so. and also some of the stuff that he wants to do with some of the food processing and some of those arguments, i think a lot of

people would agree with, you know, why does the uk have three ingredients when we have 14 ingredients in our food and it's a fair question, 100%. and so i think that some people might agree with there. and i also think his his um, his his, his pro-choice stance. i'm sorry is, you know, is favorable to democrats. there's a lot of things i actually think tulsi gabbard is going to have the hardest thing i just think there is way too much out there. the intelligence community is extremely tight and extremely tight knit, and i just think that some of her actions in the past and some of the reporting, i think is going to trip her up. >> i mean, national security is the one place where, i mean, you know, i covered the whole trump administration from capitol hill. that was one of the few places where you would see them actually kind of push back i think. >> tulsi gabbard, i agree, is going to have the hardest confirmation fight there's just a long history there of her cozying up to america's enemies and not just like, oh are they our enemies today? or are they not? but like actually people who are bad, you know, by every single estimation, al-assad, like bashar al assad, who massacred his own people and others, you know, and i think there's going to be other issues that are going to

drop. so you know, i think she's going to really, really fight to get confirmed what kind of position, isaac, is this going to put democrats in? >> i mean, so it's not just axios. it's kind of writing the story. our friend of the show, david sanger, wrote this news analysis that's out this morning in the new york times. diversity of ideology, opinion usually seen as a strength, not a defect of presidential cabinets. if there is a surprise about mr. trump's choices in recent days, it is the range of experiences and worldviews that in some cases lie just beneath the veneer of recently declared make america great again. loyalty and loyalty to mr. trump himself. it's hard to imagine a few of his picks sitting comfortably at a trump rally there is more ideological diversity here than i expected. michael beschloss, a presidential historian, noted on saturday. and if you look at this group, the context of history, there's some potential here for arguments and debates beschloss continued. if those debates are allowed to unfold in a civilized and open manner. history shows that such conflict has sometimes led to policies that worked, and there were some statements out over the weekend for example, from unions basically praising

trump's labor secretary pick. yeah. >> and look i think you're right that that with robert kennedy we are likely to see at least a couple of senate democrats lean toward voting for him for confirmation. if not actually vote for him for rfk. yeah. >> who are we looking at you can you can you can see for example, cory booker who is as devoted a democrat as there is has said things that are in line with what kennedy has said about what's going on with foods and the ingredients in foods. >> so maybe we'll see. i'm certainly not predicting that booker will vote for him, but i think that there is some room there. the question here i think going forward is we can talk about the ideological diversity often the word loyalty is used to describe the relationship to trump. it was in sanger's article, i think more what you see in practice is from trump an interest in obedience right? and in not he is not very loyal to people. he expects people to be loyal to him. and that is the question

here with the senate confirmations, will the republican senate actually buck his choices and then when it comes to governing will these secretaries, whoever gets confirmed, i assume most of them will be confirmed, if not all of them will they be obedient to him? will he care what they're doing? will he take an approach similar to what he did in his first term of sort of running the white house and not being that interested in what's going on in each of these departments and but no matter what, every president at least in the last 20 years, we have this conversation about what are the cabinet? what's the cabinet going to do? and then they don't do much in terms of shaping what the administration has chosen. and put there. it's not like we had these like robust meetings during joe biden's cabinet meeting robust discussions during joe biden's cabinet meetings of what the administration was going to do, or in donald trump's first term, or in barack obama's term, or it's just individuals tend to, well actually, what i

think is going to really shape this moment is what they're not going to do. >> i mean, i think what trump is coming in and promising is to dismantle the government in the way that we understand it and so a lot of these picks are coming in with the mandate not to reform and change, but to kind of destroy. and i mean that, you know, in a kind of you can look at it as the phoenix rising from destruction or you can look at it as destroying in the sense of what the system of government as we understand it. but either way, that is what they're coming in and that's what the project 2025 pick and et cetera et cetera. >> and that's i think that's right. with with ford in at the office of management and budget, that's one of these offices that nobody knows what it is except if you're in the government, you know. >> exactly right. and you know how powerful it is. >> and you know how just how powerful it is and him there a very clear ideology of what he wants to do, very clear direction, whether it's with project 2012 or 2025 or anything else that is something that will shape what this government is >> and to your point there,

it's also the people who are right underneath the assistant secretary the deputy secretaries that are right underneath that are going to be these project 2025 ideologues that are going to do exactly what trump wants. so these the figureheads of the secretaries, where they are qualified and diverse, it's not really them. it's going to be the next pitch down and the picks after that. >> well, to be fair also like we talk about doing exactly what trump wants it's a negative. the man was elected like he was the one person i'm not saying yet who faced the voters. so like obedience or whatever we call it, like they should implement his vision. that's the job of the cabinet secretaries and everybody who's appointed by him to his government to usher in his vision. >> and i think there's a difference here though. i mean, what the vision is of the gop now is to really kind of have an imperial presidency. it is very different than the kind of system that we've had where there is a justice department that is independent, where there is you know, the under each sort of department has a certain latitude to implement laws as they see fit. and that is fundamentally going to change under trump. >> i don't think anyone is saying that all of a sudden people are going to stop disregarding laws. i think

they're going to implement his vision and way to kind of implement his vision for the country and his policies. >> but you do see, when it comes to the justice department, that trump, when he was president, the first time, he would often talk about how he felt the attorney general should act sort of as his lawyer. but that is not the job of the attorney general of the united states. the job is to be the lawyer of the federal government and that is something that is frustrated. a lot of previous presidents about their relationship to their ags. i picking matt gaetz or pam bondi as the replacement, what he was looking for was an independent approach certainly you know, i take your point, matt, that there is a balance here, right? >> he did get elected president of the united states. but also we are seeing him promise to do things that if actually implemented in the way he says would be an unprecedented situation for the government now, maybe that's what americans voted for. all right. still to come here on cnn this morning, a new budget cutting buddy for elon musk and vivek ramaswamy marjorie taylor green warning some cities and states that she might try to pull their federal funding. plus,

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illegal criminal aliens in their states and their cities. we're going to look in every single aspect, and we don't care about people's feelings we don't care about people's feelings, she says to be obviously this this is a crew that's designed to generate headlines these three. >> right? yeah. >> it is. and look i think you had a good segment with margaret earlier in the show where some of this stuff is going to be very, very simple where you're going to be going back to work five days a week. if you're a federal employee and some of the stuff you'll i think you'll hear strains of things that republicans have talked about for a long time. i remember when i was working for jeb bush, he wanted to move some of the departments, you know, put some more back into the states, like, for example, with the interior department, more based out in, say, colorado and out in the plains states. so i think you're going to hear some of that. and i think you're going to be also hearing some what's interesting is the fact that it's not just purely based on dollars, right? it's efficiency. how can you make government literally work better and i'm interested to see what they come up with. okay. >> so here's a question. do

you think twitter works better since elon musk took it over? and basically, i mean if we have an example of like how he takes an entity that he didn't build himself because he built spacex and tesla himself, right? twitter. somebody else built it, he bought it. and then he tried to dismantle it basically. or like dismantle pieces of it, like, did it work and does that give us any lessons for what he's going to do with the government? >> look, i think it's actually it's the twitter vision is fundamentally changed. it's gone from microblogging site to you're going to see where it's largely video first. in a lot of respects, you're going to see a lot more incorporation of video in the in the future also. well, that's that's i completely disagree with you. i totally disagree it's bad. >> it doesn't work well, it's glitchy. it's also like i mean, i can i just say something i don't want to talk about twitter, which is now x, because twitter is not the government and the fact is that you know, the reason the government is there is to work for people and to unelected billionaires are going in. and actually, i will say that vivek

ramaswamy is not a billionaire he apparently is not quite there yet, but very, very rich seem to be some dispute on the internet about that. >> we were trying to sort through that. >> right. but whatever questionable his finances, we don't know exactly how rich he is, but he's very rich. and these two people are empowered to go in and actually take away people's jobs and cut the government. what? but what what? let me just ask you. sounds good to me, but what exactly are their qualifications for this? i just don't understand it. >> elon musk i think he's pretty good at building things. he's pretty good at creating things. i mean we've we've seen on this show and others, the guy can land rockets literally with chopsticks closing it. the guy's reputation, he isn't doing that oh, i'm sorry, you're right. he's not. he's not the one on the with the hammer and the nails you're absolutely right, lulu. but it's his vision that created the whole thing. >> i also think, though, when you start to go into these agencies, people are going to realize it's not the personnel that's costing money. it's a lot of different programs and maybe they could run more efficiently. so i'm all for taking a look at them. i just think some of the things they want to dismantle are going to really be impactful to people out in the states like, you know, the department of education you need programs for special needs children that the

federal dollars dyslexic. exactly. >> so they run the iep system. >> they run a lot a lot of programs that are going to people are, i think are really going to be shocked at the federal government isn't running them and giving dollars into the state. so i think that it will be interesting to see how this works, but i think they will be shocked to see how much little money is actually spent on personnel that they want to cut. >> all right. coming up here on cnn this morning, at least 2000 families left homeless in the philippines after a devastating fire in a coastal area along the edge of manila. we'll show you that. and president elect trump picks a key architect of project 2025 to head up the office of management and budget carvana carvana. >> they'll drive you happy oh, our car's value went up. >> maybe we should track all our car's value on carvana. all

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all right? >> 23 minutes past the hour. five things you have to see. this morning. a massive fire burning through a shantytown in the philippines. it broke out in manila sunday morning. took about six hours to get under control. the number of casualties remains unknown. the cause is under investigation take a look at police body cam footage of this dramatic police confrontation. a man in florida ramming his car into everything in sight, determined to elude officers. according to wsvn, he was wanted for stalking and other offenses. ultimately, the suspect was arrested a russian plane carrying 95 people bursting into flames after landing at antalya airport in turkey on sunday. every passenger and crew member was safely evacuated. good. the cause of the fire is still under investigation the longest active winning streak in women's college basketball is over ucla knocking off south carolina 75 to 62 sunday night,

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want you to notice, as we advance into tuesday, how that weather kind of moves inland. so places like denver to salt lake city, some of those transfer hubs could have some weather related delays as well. there is a cold front that will sweep through along the eastern seaboard could bring some delays from atlanta through to new york city as well. now, it's not just americans hitting the airports, but it's also americans hitting the roadways. we've got about 90% of us traveling on the roads, and right now we could have some snowfall that impacts the roadways across the northern portions of the great lakes. but again, i highlight the west coast because this is an area that's been battered by storm after storm so this is the storm system that's going to move eastward today. this is going to bring rainfall overnight and into tuesday morning along the eastern seaboard. and then we focus our attention on the bigger storm that will impact travel for thanksgiving. and the day after. and i want you to take note of the cold weather that will settle in behind it. yeah, this is going to be a big wake up call winter is coming back with a vengeance. temperatures drop like a rock behind this cold front as we head into the

weekend, so enjoy the warmth while you can. >> casey. yeah, i'm watching this and i'm thinking about texting my husband. well, we should probably get our christmas tree on friday and not saturday, because it's going to be really cold on saturday. >> good advice, derek. i'll be in that camp, too. >> i really appreciate it. i'll see you tomorrow. all right. ahead here on cnn this morning, culture wars come to capitol hill. congresswoman debbie dingell joins us live with her perspective on the fight over transgender rights. plus, one of the architects of project 2025 gets a top job in the new administration every single thing they say, it's the opposite. >> project 2025 trump loves it. he loves it. he loves. they just say it. i've totally disavowed it watch cnn's coverage of thanksgiving parades around the country with special appearances by chef bobby flay. >> jennifer hudson, t.i. and more john berman and erica hill host cnn: thanksgiving in america. live coverage starts at eight on cnn giving giving.

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the united states house of representatives to talk about what bathroom i use. >> i didn't run to talk about myself. i ran to deliver for delawareans and while republicans in congress seem focused on bathrooms and trans people and specifically me, i'm focused on rolling up my sleeves, diving into the details, setting up my office, and beginning the hard work of delivering for delawareans on the issues that i know. keep them up at night. >> congresswoman mace standing by her position after house speaker mike johnson signed off on her proposed rule. >> and so i'm going to keep calling out these folks on the left. >> they don't they don't they don't get a say. i mean, this is it's just ludicrous to me that women who are victims of abuse should be forced to undress or go to the bathroom next to a man. >> all right joining us now to discuss this and all things on capitol hill, congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan. congresswoman, thank you for

being with us. i really appreciate it. i know that you've called this a hateful and divisive political sideshow. i, i am interested to know a little bit more about what you make of why nancy mace is doing this, how she's doing this. i mean, i have to say, i remember covering there wasn't even a women's bathroom at all near the senate floor as recently as the 1990s. it you know, there was a long line there. they had to expand it because actually white women started getting elected to congress. what do you make of it all? >> so first of all, i think it's a total distraction. >> you heard sarah. sarah has been very clear with her colleagues. she's going to abide by the rules that mike johnson has put out, period. she's not going to try to go in the ladies bathroom off the floor. she doesn't want it to be the story. she's tired of nancy mace making it a story every day. she came to washington to deliver for the

people of delaware and to worry about those kitchen table issues and she has been very strong with all of us as her colleagues to please not talk about it, make it more of an issue. she's going to abide by what speaker johnson said, and do the job she's supposed to do. so i do think this is a non-issue. as nancy keeps saying, she's going to fight for it when it's been made very clear, she's going to abide by the rules that speaker johnson has put out there but, you know, i do wish we had some compassion a little empathy for families who have a child who is struggling. i think that we need to be supporting the families so they've got the ability to go to the with their parents, the doctors, the experts and government should not be making the lives miserable of or complicating it. just a really tough situation for them. and as far as nancy mace goes for where sarah is going to use a bathroom on capitol hill, it's a non story and i wish she'd

abandoned trying to make it headlines every day and do the job. she was elected to do. >> congresswoman let's talk about the big picture of the losses that democrats suffered in this election from the top of the ticket. of course, down to the senate majority and honestly not taking back the house when that, of course, was something that was potentially on the table. you and i obviously talked so many times ahead of the election about michigan, about what was going on there. your sort of big picture takeaway from, you know why democrats suffered these losses. if you could describe it in a single phrase or in a in in a straightforward way, i mean, how would you put it i think democrats and i don't i'm not into the finger pointing game, quite frankly. >> i don't think it gets us anything. i think every democrat's got to do some soul

searching. i don't think democratic losses are as big as everybody wants to make them out to be. because normally when you see this kind of presidential election republicans would have had far stronger coattails. and they did not. they have a very slim majority in the house and in the senate, which is going to make it difficult, i fear or not i fear because we're going to stop them. and if they're doing bad legislation, what i really want to see us do is work on the problems that americans care about every single day. and i will work across the aisle with them but we it's not one little thing, casey. it's many things. i mean, we clearly have the democratic party has got to talk to men better. and i'm not just talking white men. i'm talking african american men. hispanic men, working people, grocery store prices matter. you heard me tell you that all fall. i go to kroger every sunday and always somebody wants to talk to me about the to do a better job of communicating to voters on the

platforms they are on, where they are getting the news better, understanding where they're getting their information and be there, be present and be where the voters are. >> congressman, how do you think democrats should approach trump in this than the way he was approached in his >> i'm going to do it the exact same way that i did do in the first term. if you'll recall it, casey in that i said i'd work with them. i respect the office of the presidency. people have elected him, and he and i did very well because one, i said he was going to get elected and was like one of the few republicans or democrats in the country that saw it coming. then he got very angry at me about my voting for impeachment. but i worked with him on trade and i will work with him on trade again. i think it's a huge issue. i think there are common ground issues that we can work on but and we can't react every day

to whatever it is that, you know has everybody the in a in a tizzy. we have to pick our battles where they really matter where it could hurt people, the people that we represent. i want to make sure that we don't destroy our vaccination system so that people are still able to get flu shots and we're prepared on public health. i could go through a different list of many things i don't want to see social security and medicare cut, but i think we're going to have to pick our battles. it's going to be president for four years, and the american want to see get done and i hope there are things we can work together on to get things done. if he does horrific things, if he targets people in unfair ways and terrorizes them, i'm going to stand up to hate whenever and wherever i see it. >> briefly congresswoman politico is reporting that vice

president kamala harris wants. she's been telling her advisers and allies she wants to keep her options open, whether that's to run for president in 2028 or run for governor in california. would you like to see vice president harris be the democratic standard bearer going forward but i want to see and i'm already working on it is an open primary in 2028 that includes battleground states like it doesn't have to be michigan there shouldn't be a lock. >> but we need a very competitive 28 presidential primary, where the issues that matter in november and are going to determine who is president are part of the early primary system and, you know, she would certainly be a strong contender to be a candidate. we need a strong primary. >> all right, congresswoman debbie dingell, thank you very much for being with us this morning i really appreciate it. thank you. all right coming up next here on cnn. this morning, an age old white house thanksgiving tradition returns

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of americans will be sitting down with family and friends over turkey and the trimmings after an incredibly divisive and contentious political season, here was one noted comedian's advice take it or leave it before you grab your seat at your table can we please not let politics up the holidays? >> anybody with me on this? if we're going to remain a viable society, there must be some things that transcend politics, like disaster relief and law enforcement and helping neighbors and christmas mckinnon, former adviser to george w bush, and john mccain, the creator of paramount's the circus. >> mark good morning. do you agree with are you going to take bill maher's advice 100%? >> i was thinking, what we ought to do instead of just pardoning turkeys is just pardon all the relatives who haven't talked to each other over the last eight years. so we can all just get together to be civil again. >> just a blanket. you know

what? we're going to let the past be the past. that's fair enough. yeah. >> let's just start and start over here. >> but, i mean, look in seriousness, there are a lot of people who, you know have you can just tell politics is obviously we'll say, don't talk about politics and religion in these settings. right. it's not like this has never come up before. there seems to be an added level of i don't know if it's just it's animosity. it's division. it's feelings that are deeper in their opposition than in past election cycles, or certainly it seems that way to me. what is it you know, how can we move forward from the the divisive nature of the election in a way that lets people, you know rebuild? i do know people who have broken off relationships because of of politics. >> i don't know, casey. i think that there's an exhaustion factor now. people are just worn out by it. they're worn out by the

divisiveness the debates, and yes, sure, people feel passionately about these things and are disappointed or excited about the election, but i think that there's just a feeling of, okay, you know what? it was a it was a clear victory let's, you know, let's stand back, let's you know, elections have consequences. as obama said. and let's let this roll out and i think that this appointment process with trump has been an interesting example. i mean, i think it's surprising a lot of people, there's you know, no matter what side of the aisle you're on, when you look at his appointments, there's something for everybody to love and something for everybody to hate. and what i'm really struck by is the speed you know, we talked before about how trump was really an accidental candidate in 2016. and it reminds me of the movie the candidate in the last thing you remember robert redford turns around after he surprisingly wins and goes, what do we do now? well, that's not the case this time for trump. and what i'm really struck by is the speed with which, you know, all the appointments are already made. we're two and a half weeks in, and the major appointments are made, which is surprising. and

to some degree, the gaetz thing really kind of worked for them because it just became that shiny object. it's like, okay, you know, we got that out of the way. we got the big controversy out of the way and sort of, you know made a few people mad, made a few people happy. but it's out of the way. let's move on. and so i think it's again, i this and just objective. i think it's been a very successful appointment process so far so speaking of that process, i mean, do you think there is going to be an appetite to oppose some of these other nominees who, as you point out, it did not have to because matt gaetz was taking up so much of the oxygen sort of continued, as you know lesser in a way that if they had been kind of at the forefront pete hegseth for example, with this, you know, accusation the police report against him at tulsi gabbard is another example of all of the rest of them. >> do you think any others face potentially not getting

confirmed by the senate? and if so, who's at the top of the list? >> well, i think at the top of the list are hegseth and gabbard. probably just because they're such they're so important to our national defense and security um, and and so and i do think that the senate has reasserted itself. and just to say, listen, we get the deliberative process. we advise and consent here. but it will be really interesting, particularly with people like gabbard. i mean, i spent a lot of time with her during our show. i think she's a really interesting, very smart person. and i think that, you know, i think that senators have legitimate questions about you relationship with assad and those sort of things. and, and i think that they just want to hear from her. and i, you know i assume that she has a a you know, a, a story to tell. and and that they'll want to hear it. and it may be a very legitimate one, but, you know, it's one that i think is, is there's a there's a weird narrative out there about it right. and that relates to national security. and, and so they will have an opportunity and she will have an opportunity to address that mark. >> i mean, big picture here.

you mentioned kind of national security and and and that is one area where i have seen, you know, old guard republicans be willing to buck donald trump and in no small part, that's about america's role in the world, the sort of post-world war two pax americana, the system, this international system that was built basically by america and has, you know sustained through now when you look at the cabinet picks and you think about the way trump has been conducting himself so far with world leaders, do you see a dramatic departure from the status quo from him in that arena? i mean how how is the sort of broad posture position of america in the world going to change based on what we know? >> well, i'd say two things. one is when trump was president before, the one thing that i saw in you know, the limited international travel that i did is a lot of international

people, even if they were opposed to trump, kind of liked his foreign policy chaos just because it kept people off balance. and they like the fact that they sort of, you know, that foreign leaders including autocrats, were left thinking, you know, what in the hell is this guy doing? on the other hand, i think people were reassured i was by appointments by like rubio, senator rubio to secretary of state because, you know, he's a guy who's been very deep in these issues for a long time. and, you know, it'd be unfair to comment on an establishment figure, but but, but he is somebody who's familiar with this territory. he's not like just somebody who's coming in there to, like a lot of others to just break stuff. you know, he knows i think he will come in and bring some order. and i think he's respected within the state department. so i think you get a balance of those things. >> all right. mark mckinnon, for us this morning. mark always grateful to have you. thank you for being here. see you soon. all right. 52 minutes past the hour. here's a morning roundup. the united arab emirates has arrested three uzbek nationals suspected in the death of a missing israeli

discovered on sunday. israel says rabbi zvi kogan was killed in an anti-semitic act of terror and is vowing to bring the killers to justice the menendez brothers are expected to appear virtually from prison. at a court hearing today, defense lawyers making a plea for their release. it's going to be their first public appearance in nearly 30 years. the brothers are serving life without parole for the 1989 murder of their parents ex-google ceo eric schmidt says this quote, normal people are not ready for ai. during a talk at princeton university, schmidt says that in the near future, a child's best friend might be ai generated and raised questions about guardrails going forward what are the rules? is it okay that that child is you know, is the equivalent of mark zuckerberg the the surrogate parent who gets to decide what your kid learns and doesn't learn. >> playing with the way people

think is really powerful. so if you think about state sponsored misinformation, that's trivial compared to having your best friend be state sponsored and the sort of daily interaction and shape someone's identity, their cultural values >> so our panel, i have to say, i mean this side of the table, we have other fellow parents, um what he had to say in this entire kind of talk that he gave was really interesting. but it is pretty alarming. i mean, there's a recent story out of florida of a young boy who you know, who tragically, you know took his own life is my understanding because he was friends with an ai chat bot, and it went south. i mean, this warning seems really stark and it should be heeded. >> i mean, this is coming from someone who isn't just a crank. this is coming from someone who used to lead google, and i seen is that, i mean, i hate to use these words, but we have been experimented on humans

with all this technology. if we think about when the iphone came out and everything that's happened subsequently what has happened is that there are no real laws around this stuff. there are very little guardrails and so what we learn about it, we kind of learned through experiencing it. we see our own children, how they react over time, how their brains are being changed by what they how they look at information through scrolling. they have trouble concentrating. they have trouble actually engaging with information. i mean, our children are already struggling with reading are they going to struggle with writing? just because of the fact of ai? i mean, this is really changing the very nature of how we process information. and so i think that warning is actually pretty, pretty important all right. >> well, certainly something to keep an eye on. all right. let's turn now to this a thanksgiving tradition returns to the white house in just a few hours. joe biden will pardon his last pair of turkeys as president the lame duck president sparing 240 pound

turkeys from the kitchen table piece and peach. i'm sorry. and blossom from minnesota the light hearted and let's be honest, very strange presidential event stretches back 77 years. plenty of jokes along the way watch. >> i'm glad i can make at least one turkey happy this year. >> make sure they have plenty to dinner for the sake of our feathered guests, i'm not going to those baskets. >> i want to take a moment to recognize the brave turkeys who weren't so lucky, who didn't get to ride the gravy train to freedom who met their fate fate with courage and sacrifice and proved that they weren't chicken thanksgiving is a special day for turkeys. >> i guess probably for the most part, not a very good one.

when you think about it. >> january 20th i'll come to the farm to see you bad. >> barack obama sorry that's a pretty bad joke this is a okay. >> i shouldn't let my personal biases thinking i find this event to be deeply uncomfortable and sad, but we keep doing it. >> we do it. >> i had never been to one person. i went last year to just like, see what it was. it is stranger in person than it is on tv. >> i agree with you. yeah yes. you've been. >> yes, i've been a couple of times. it's very it's very odd. they like walk over. they bring them over from the willard. they stay the night at the willard. they have like a red carpet arrival the night before. then they bring them over to the show. we did it in the rose garden because it was during covid. and it's just a very odd event, and they're like running around and they're like walking. they're trying to keep them contained. and the little kids want to take photos with them. it's very bizarre, but it's fun. >> people like it and the point of it is that we are pardoning the turkeys so that on thursday we eat all the other turkey. it's just it's all there. i think it's history is actually

rooted in the poultry industry and the turkey industry. >> i actually think this is like a sort of a special interest. yeah. you know, the turkey federation is very involved. >> the turkey federation, the federation spends the night with them at the willard in the 70s trashing the hotel room. >> i will say >> anyway the pictures from inside the willard are like there's like wood chips on the floor. >> it's like it's very strange. >> it's the room at the willard the day after >> oh my god okay, all right. from turkeys to this, i'll leave you with this matt gaetz's time as president elect. >> trump's pick for attorney general lasted just eight days. many have noted that that's less than one scaramucci, but the former congressman already apparently has a new gig. gaetz, now on cameo. you may know it as the site where people can pay celebrities to record custom video messages so if you want the florida republican to wish you a happy birthday, it will cost you apparently, over $500. gaetz's bio reads quote, trump

nominated me to be u.s. attorney general. that didn't work out and once i fired the house speaker, he was, of course, referring to former house speaker kevin mccarthy. gaetz is just the latest on a growing list of former politicos on the platform i'm a little teapot, short and stout i used to be the governor of illinois and inmate number 40892424. >> needless to say, it was way better being governor, i'm here to tell you that you are absolutely terrible and i mean totally terrible at a college pick'em football league. >> my favorite bts song is definitely going to be trouble i knew you were trouble when you walked in hate club condo >> after 18 years in the closet george santos pulled me back out okay, uh, again

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