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tariff. >> it's more beautiful than love. >> promises made. how president elect trump plans to make his love of tariffs official on day one. an the very last stages of an agreement are the most difficult. tense talks israel and hezbollah reportedly closing in on a cease fire deal and then i'm not suffering from charity fatigue because i don't think that this is a charity 40 years of band aid legendary music producer sir bob geldof joins us live to mark four decades of helping those in need all right. 5 a.m. here on the east coast, here's a live look at capitol hill on this tuesday morning of a holiday week. good morning everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. donald trump vowing to impose massive tariffs on day one of his incoming administration on

goods from two close allies mexico and canada. and he's also planning to boost tariffs on china announcing on social media his plan to implement a 25% tariff on all products coming to the united states from canada and mexico. he says it's a response to their role in illegal immigration and drugs coming across the border. trump also announcing a 10% increase on tariffs already in place on goods coming from china. quote until it prevents the flow of illegal drugs into the united states. end quote. many economists believe tariffs could wreak havoc on america's supply chains and raise prices on everyday goods for american shoppers. chinese china's embassy spokesperson telling cnn quote, china believes that u.s. china-u.s. economic and trade cooperation is mutually beneficial in nature. no one will win a trade war or a tariff war. trump's tariff pledge comes just days after he announced his pick for treasury secretary. the hedge fund executive scott bessent. it will be up to bessent to manage trump's economic agenda. prior to becoming trump's pick to

lead the treasury department, he had this to say about tariffs i would recommend that tariffs be layered in gradually, which would the the price adjustment would be over a period of time. >> but i think if you take that price adjustment coupled with all the other disinflationary things, president trump is talking about, that we're going to be at or below the 2% inflation target. again all right. >> joining us now political reporter for notice reese gordon reese. good morning. nice to see you. so the pick for that's donald trump's pick to be treasury secretary seemed a very acknowledge in a very straightforward way. these are going to raise prices. yeah he's saying well we should do that over time. trump doesn't seem to be on board with doing that over time. i mean, he's saying he's going to do it right away. >> what does that look like he wants to do it by executive order. one of his first executive orders. he said he's going to sign when he gets into office. and what's that going

to look like? we don't know. i mean, it could it could raise prices dramatically. possibly. i mean i know economists came out during the campaign saying trump's plan, these tariffs are not good. they will raise prices. they will be basically kind of a tax on the american people. trump and some republicans beg to differ. there are republicans on the hill that are anti-tariff. i know the business community is also anti-tariff. and so i guess we'll have to see how this whole thing plays out. >> yeah. and i mean, the reality is that there's not a lot of tools congress has to push back on this. i mean, this is very squarely in the president's purview. no. yeah, 100%. >> he could he could do it by himself. now, there are some congressional republicans that will argue, like congress should have a say. but at the end of the day, i mean trump can do this by executive order. and he did it. he did it somewhat during his first term as well. >> yeah. so here was what the wall street journal said about scott bessent who is, of course, the pick to be treasury secretary. they write, quote, mr. bassett campaigned hard for the treasury job himself, including an op eds that tried to show that he's come around to the virtue of tariffs mr. bryson's campaign conversation on tariffs raises the question about how willing mr. bassett will be to tell the president when he's making a policy mistake if mr. bassett won't,

it's not clear who on the economic team will. but if his lodestar is growth, he'll do well for the president and the country. they're basically saying hey, you should. they're raising questions about whether besson is going to be willing to tell trump, like, hey, this is going to be bad for business. >> i mean, how many does trump like being told that what he's going to do is not right? i mean trump hates being told no, he hates. that's why he likes surrounding himself with people who just tell him yes all the time. and so i don't i don't think a lot of these cabinet choices are necessarily people who are going to stand up to trump and do this, because i think objectively that's something he said that he's looking for is loyalty to him as opposed to his first term. so i think there's some people that might step up. i don't i'm not people aren't holding their breath so one of the questions i had about this too is, i mean, obviously we we've heard president-elect trump talk. >> so much about the border with mexico and the course of his campaign. and he's talked about china. obviously, he had put tariffs on china when he was president last time around. but canada is part of this and

it's certainly, i think, may raise eyebrows with people who are kind of like, well, you know say last night about this. and he he seems to be he mentions canada. watch you wont allow drugs to come through our southern border. >> we're going to tariff you. you want to allow them to come through canada. we're going to tariff you. china. if you're going to allow this stuff to get sold in our country largely produced in china, we're going to add another 10% to your chair. we are going to cost your countries your economies. we're going to cost your businesses billions, hundreds of billions of dollars. if you think you're going to, you know you're going to poison americans. it's not going to happen. >> so basically, the argument is that this is about punishment for illegal drugs, nothing else. >> that's also kind of what trump touched on in his truth social post directly. the fentanyl kind of importation coming into the through the southern border and the northern border. and so that is according to trump's truth. and what eric trump has said that this is kind of what they're looking at. this is why they're implementing these

tariffs because of this influx of fentanyl coming into the country. i also think that this is a change because originally it was tariffs, because he wanted to bring more american jobs in the first time around. and this is what he was saying on the campaign as well. so this is a little bit of a shift to my to my remembrance. >> i was going to say because so much of this, the way that in many ways the american public has moved towards more populist economic policies, which potentially could include tariffs, is not necessarily about drugs. it's more about jobs. >> yeah, that's kind of been the general take. that's been my take too after covering the campaign, is that this has been to bring more jobs to america, to americans bring more jobs, keep them in america, prevent s. e. cupp, prevent companies from leaving and going overseas or going out of the country and so this is kind of a different take on terrorists from trump, from i know he's mentioned this somewhat in the past, but it's mostly the main message has been to keep jobs in america. >> yeah really interesting. all right, reese gorman starting us off this morning reese thanks i appreciate it. all right. straight ahead here on cnn this

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lebanon climbs strikes from both sides, intensifying israel's military says they hit two hezbollah command centers in beirut on monday, and that hezbollah also fired multiple rockets into northern israel last night, the u.s. >> backing the 60 day pause in fighting that's now on the table. >> i think you've also heard the secretary say that oftentimes the very last stages of an agreement are the most difficult, because the hardest issues are left to the end. we're pushing as hard as we can to get a diplomatic resolution that would allow these tens of thousands of people in lebanon and israel to to return home. but ultimately that's up to the parties, not to us all right. >> cnn's max foster joins us live from london with more. max, always wonderful to see you so the pressure is obviously on bibi netanyahu in this final phase. there are still some on the right in his cabinet that

think this deal might be a mistake what do you see coming in the next 24 hours? >> well, lots of positivity coming from israel that there will be a positive agreement coming out of this cabinet meeting. there are those who opposed it who who oppose it because they feel hezbollah should be completely destroyed before the fight stops. but there are other voices saying that they have been destabilized. they've been effectively crippled. so the job has been done. they're unable to carry on fighting israel in the way that they could have done in the past. there are lots of sticking points however, lots of detail as there always is in these negotiations. but lots of positivity coming out and certainly we're feeling that from america as well optimism because these things can always go wrong at the last second. >> yeah and max, big picture here. i mean obviously this all comes as israel is grappling with this arrest warrant aimed

at bibi netanyahu. another one of the former defense minister yoav gallant that of course, splitting america from many in europe who would go about supporting this warrant. the us, of course, does not there. of course, you know, we're heading into a world where donald trump is about to come into office here in the united states. he many expect would be a more staunch supporter of israel even than president biden has been. another kind of element that potentially separates america from its european allies in the way here? as we barrel towards donald trump's inauguration? >> well, governments in europe are separating themselves away from this court judgment. they say it's a matter for the courts. they are signed up to the court. so the reality is that, um, most european leaders are saying that they would have

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what trump is going to try to do he's told us what he's going to try to do explain to us how these two things are going to interact yeah, well look, i think we know very clearly that trump is going to do everything he can to boost oil and gas, despite the consequences for climate the question is, how much does he do simultaneously to hobble the alternative energy sources that are emerging to fossil fuels in wind and solar? >> for electricity and evs for transportation? trump dominated the parts of the country consolidated the republican dominance of the parts of the country that have most integrated into the existing oil and gas economy. he won 26 of the 27 states that emit the most carbon for every dollar of economic output. republicans, all four of their senate pickups, came in those states. republicans now hold 48 of their 54 senate seats. that is the core geographically for the republicans in both the electoral college and the senate. the one complicating

factor in this agenda is that, as you note, the vast majority of investments in clean energy that have flowed out of the inflation reduction act and the other big bills that biden passed have gone into these red states and red districts. 80% of the estimated um existing investments in new clean energy manufacturing and about 80 almost 80% of the projected investments according to a cnn analysis. so the question will be whether that fact, those facts on the ground, those jobs in republican leaning communities will provide any check on trump trying to undo the agenda that biden passed, particularly the inflation reduction act to promote these new these new technologies. >> ron, can we talk about electric vehicles for a second? because i was, um i there was a headline in the new york times a couple of days ago that caught my eye. and it's it says automakers to trump. please require us to sell electric vehicles and basically, the

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rational way. and at the same time, they see the world moving in this direction, and they understand that even if the u.s. pulls back for a time, maybe for a four year period they will lose a competitive edge in markets around the globe if they abandon their efforts to get better at all of this, the tesla factor is that repealing there are two tax credits that are principally at issue here one is for consumers $7,500, up to $7,500 to buy a new ev. also for the companies to production tax credit and elon musk believes that obviously repealing those tax credits will hurt tesla to some extent but it would hurt their competitors to a much larger extent, and thus in the long run, potentially improve their own market share, which has drifted down as they've gotten more competition. so as on many things, you have this direct conflict of interest between musk's, um, you know, kind of corporate interests and his

advocacy on public policy. and we'll see. i think that $7,500 consumer tax credit is very unlikely to be saved, even the producer tax credit may go as well. despite all these investments in republican districts, because republicans eye it as a way to help pay for the trump tax cuts. they want to expire. they want to extend as they expire at the end of 2025. >> yeah and, ron, how do you understand kind of how evs have expanded in their adoption across the country? i mean, red states, blue states it's actually something that we talk about on this set. a lot sometimes in commercial breaks. you know, who has an ev, what kind of there's a member of congress here who owns an auto dealership, who had some fascinating sort of thoughts about how that impacts things. i mean, what what impact does does that have that conversation have in in the way you look at the world, which is really sort of demographically and location driven? >> well look, evs have been have been kind of dragged into the culture war. there's no question about it. um, and all

the attacks on evs from trump and other leading republican figures have made it much more likely that democrats than republicans will purchase them. you know, particularly in in large metro areas, evs continue to grow, but their growth hasn't been as quick, as fast as people anticipated a few years ago, partly because of the operational kinks of getting the technology. you know, in a position where it is mainstream enough for broad sections of america, but also because there is this political dynamic, you know someone, someone working in the field told me that he was told by an automaker that they can't get the workers at their own plant building ev batteries in a red county to buy the to buy the product because they view it essentially as a democratic. you know, kind of technology, you know, in the long run, i think we overcome all of that. and there's no question that this is the direction the global auto market is, is heading but there's a lot of space between now and the long

run. and the question of what happens to carbon emissions over the next four years. and what it means really, if you if you pull out all of these policy incentives for evs and solar and wind, how long does it take to recover? even if the next administration wants to go back in this direction? and even as we are living with the consequences of more flooding in the midwest, more powerful hurricanes in the southeast, more wildfires in the west, this really is a critical period to see how far, how much this transition is interrupted, really at the behest of the of the oil and gas industry, which is now the driving force, even more than the auto industry in trying to reverse these trends? >> yeah, really interesting. ron, let me ask you broadly about the tariffs that donald trump said overnight he was going to impose on day one on canada on mexico, on china what, in your view, is the i mean the wall street journal, obviously, you know, they've got a whole editorial page, you know, at the top of their editorial pages devoted to this, basically saying this is

inflationary. this is bad for business. he seems determined to push ahead with it anyway using the argument around drugs as the reason, like punishing these countries because they send drugs to the united states, which is different than, you know, a populist jobs based message. what do you make of all of it well, look, he is threatened countries, you know, in his in his first term, he used tariffs to threaten countries on other issues. >> and maybe this is just bluster, but he really wants to impose tariffs. and this was the challenge i think that the harris campaign faced, you know, most economists, virtually all economists viewed the core elements of trump's agenda, domestic agenda tariffs and mass deportation as inflationary, as likely to accelerate inflation if he returns to the white house. it was very hard to get voters to look forward in that way when their lived experience was they felt they had more money and they in their pocket at the end of the week when trump was president, than when biden was president. but now these things that trump talked about are

going to unfold. and increasingly, he's going to have to stand on his own. you know, the backdrop of discontent with biden eventually will fade away, and voters will be judging trump on his own results and if he is somehow right that, you know, tariffs are, quote, paid for by the other country and americans don't feel american consumers don't feel any impact that will be one thing. but if people feel their prices are going up again at the grocery store or otherwise because of these tariffs then he's the one who's going to be in that. gail and i think this is the process. this is the beginning of the process of trump kind of standing. you know stepping out of that, biden stepping away from that biden backdrop, stepping out on his own and having to hold support based on what he does not only what biden did not do. >> all right. ron brownstein, for us this morning, sir. always grateful to have you. thanks so much. >> thanks for having me all right. >> still to come here on cnn this morning, big brother getting the best of little brother again in the battle of the harbaughs. bleacher report

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since, more than $223 million have been raised this year alone, band aid has funded 15 projects in africa, providing things like access to health care, medicine and emergency food supplies, helping more than 300,000 people to mark 40 years, band aid is releasing a special edition of the song, uniting the artists who have recorded it across three generations. >> we hope to be able to raise in the region of a million, a million and a half pounds with which we intend sending grain and drugs to the affected areas in africa. we cannot have in the 21st century, people dying on our screens every night forever this must stop all right. >> joining us now, the man who wrote the song and brought these people together for this cause, band aid founder sir bob geldof, sir very grateful to have you on the show. thank you for being here. thank you so let's just start big picture here. what does it mean to you? you're marking 40 years of work here at your charity still

undertaking many efforts across the globe what do you hope, what you bring in from this year's release can do in the world there are several things. >> i mean, i think um, the first part is that, you know speaking from a musician's point of view the record is the arc of british rock over 40 years. i mean, from a very young sting to a very young harry styles, from a young bono to a middle aged bono to an older bono, all those dead people that we remember shade o'connor, george michael, david bowie and the people from one direction, all that sort of thing. so that's it. and it's an extraordinary. i actually think i'm very moved by it. it's trevor horn produced. i think it's a work of art and the video director who did the last beatles, um, video who brought the beatles together. i asked him to put these three generations into one room and have them all singing together for one reason human empathy

human compassion. because those things still go on around the world. i wake up every morning to possibly 10 or 12 emails. ua morning was the under-secretary general of the united nations in port sudan where our ships used to dock for the things talking about the mass rape of girls and women and how the people in fancy chairs will talk about it. but you know they will reach out to people who actually do things and the understanding that these broken, damaged mothers who stagger over the border line with their panicked, exhausted children that band aid will be there. and to meet them and try and put back these bodies and give back this dignity and offer a future of some hope and a life. um the horrors of the world continue. there's nothing band aid can really do about that. but to put band aid in context, as you said earlier, we started with this little pop song and

then next minute, you know, michael jackson and harry belafonte call me and say, we want to do it in america. will you come over? and then the canadians and then the dutch and the french and the norwegians and that all leads to the live aid concert and suddenly the world is with you. and we got, i think, in total, about in today's money, 450, $60 million. and of course, the lobby created thfter that, we de aid with beyonce and jay-z and will smith and snoop dogg and all the stars of that period, and we address in the highest global structures of politics and economics the economic injustices of the world with the make poverty history campaign. from that little pop song. you've just you've just seen and so there is a celebratory nature to this. we were able to address structural issues. we still do every time we bring out this song. this is the fourth time and the access to politicians and those structures is open again. and we can talk about the abiding circumstances in which human

beings should never, ever ever have to exist sir all those points very much well taken. >> you mentioned politics, and this has given you access to the to the political world. there have been some politics around the rerelease of this song. the artist ed sheeran said that if he had been asked about being included on this mix, he would have respectfully declined. and it's in no small part. the lyric reads where nothing ever grows, no rain or rivers flow. do they know it's christmas time at all? the insinuation being that this these lyrics are colonial and that he can't support that fuze odg. of course writing the letter that ed sheeran signed on to, have you been able to speak with ed sheeran? i know you said that there was reporting you had tried to reach out to him. what do you say to him i mean half the virtue of this record, maybe more than half, is that as opinions and sensibilities and knowledge change, often as a result of this record, so does

the debate. >> so does the argument. and that's part of the political process of this so right now the debate on africa in britain and i hopefully in the united states will be elevated. it's very hard to get this argument into the current political climate. it's very hard. so this record then and its oppositionists bring that debate up to a level. and genuinely seriously, i believe that's as important a part of this because it allows us then to have a cultural dialog, which again makes politicians answerable to all those points. so to be specific to your answer, ed is a really clever man. he's a really good bloke. he's a great artist i've put in the call. we'll have a conversation. we may disagree we may agree, but we'll work it out and that's exactly what this should be. meanwhile, band aid will deal with that hungry child that damaged person that education, that sheltering

tonight without any question. there is somebody going to bed a little warmer a little better fed with the hope of an education going forward. we are talking about a part of the world that has just come out of, yet again, a civil war that is constant and when we started in the 80s, the longest running war of the 20th century, the damage 600,000 people killed over the last 18 months, i mean, who knows about that? i know cnn were there. i know they reported on it. but who else was there in sudan currently, the united nations reckons that 2.9 million people this year alone in the mass slaughter will be either wounded, broken their houses ruined. i think cnn reported three weeks ago, four weeks ago about a militia who showed up in a in a town rounded up every male from ten years on, killed them all. and then the mass rape began and then what did they did? the women out in

ethnic cleansing saying we don't want any blacks in sudan. sudan is a country half the size of the united states this is the truth and the reality happening. and we deal with that absolute truth every day yeah, sir, i do want to show you my colleague e max foster spoke with fuze odg. >> just about an hour or so ago on this network let me just show you a little bit of what he said, and i'd love to hear what you think. watch this do you think it's added to the problem of racism? >> the problem is bigger than band aid. let's let's be very real about it band aid is because they announced a rerelease. so for me, it's like okay, cool, you're just feeding into the problem that we currently have that i feel like this new rerelease is is setting us back it's setting us back, he says, what do you say sorry, i can't see or hear that very well. >> so do you tell me what he

said? >> sure. so my colleague asked if he believed that it was perpetuating racism and while he did not say that directly, he said the problem is bigger than band aid. let's be real. the reason why it's on band aid is because they announced a rerelease. you're just feeding one second, please. you're just feeding into the problem that we currently have. that is this new rerelease. it's setting us back um, well, 100%. >> um what? the first part of what you said, the second part is an argument his argument is africa must and will stand on its own feet 100%. so beyond band aid, um, i was i was i, i instigated prime minister tony blair's commission for africa. i sat on that for a year with the leaders of the north and south, and that became the agenda for the 2005 g8, where kofi annan said the rubicon crossing moment for africa had just occurred. president obasanjo of nigeria said this redefines the conversation

between the global north and global south. so that was 2005. i then went on to sit with un kofi annan's africa progress panel for 12 years with president obasanjo of nigeria kaberuka of ghana the the economist, tidjane tian of cote d'ivoire, bob rubin and bill clinton's treasury secretary michel camdessus, president of the imf, and peter eigen, who's the founder and chair of transparency international. kofi and i and the others traveled throughout the continent and throughout europe, lobbying for exactly what fuze is saying i want 100% go along with that and then subsequently, in the middle of the crash in 2008, because africa was not getting any investment, i raised an investment fund of $200 million, not much. i wanted 800 million, but because of the crash couldn't get any more. but with all foot and african investment partners and managers, we set up in eight countries. we employed at our

height 11,000 workers, which in turn gave benefit to 140 000 dependents and others and proved the point that what's that? you know, people are the same everywhere you inject the oil of cash into an economy and people fly. we brought in workers rights, trade unions rights. we structured and formalized accountability and general financial accounting. so i'm 100% with the argument, but tonight the united nations are calling for the mass rape of women and girls to stop and for people not in their fancy chairs, not the elite not the privileged with the arguments to please do something about it. band aid does and tonight, again, of the 600 million people who are starving in the world, 300 million are in africa. that's the truth. that's the truth of the 700 million suffering from extreme poverty that is living on less than $2.50 a day.

there's 700 million in the world unnecessarily over two thirds of those people are in sub-saharan africa. so for them to be able to get africa going and on its feet, they must be alive. and over the course of 40 years, hundreds of thousands of people probably millions, are alive because of a little pop song. that is a ridiculous way to run the world, and it should stop but while it doesn't, we will keep getting the greatest artists of our time putting them together and doing this little song, which i think a newspaper called two weeks ago, perhaps the most powerful song in rock and roll history we didn't mean it to be, but maybe it is. >> well, sir bob geldof very grateful for your time today and of course, for all of the work that you have done over the course of your life. thank you so much. and we are going to leave our viewers with some of this original band aid song from 40 years ago. we'll be right back pray for the other ones at

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