these anti-obesity drugs that's exactly right. >> and we already know that trump's pick to lead the department of health and human services, rfk jr. he has said in the past that he sees money better spent on providing good food to people than on medicines like this. have a listen. >> if we spent about one fifth of that giving good food, three meals, a day to every man, woman and child in our country, we could solve the obesity and diabetes epidemic overnight. >> reporter so again alex, this is a proposal to really watch, to see what will happen as we transition into a new administration. >> yeah, certainly lots to come on the medical and health front under president trump and those that he has chosen, like rfk jr. to lead those fields under his administration, jacqueline howard, thank you very much. i'm alex marquardt here in the situation room. thank you so much for watching tonight erin burnett out front starts right now

outfront next, the breaking news russia racing to build and fortify bunkers tonight ukraine hitting deeper inside russia again. >> also breaking this hour. fingers pointing to putin in a deadly cargo jet crash is russia sabotaging jetliners plus, trump's new border czar threatens to put the denver mayor in jail why? well, the denver mayor is my guest out front. >> plus, is he the democrats answer to joe rogan? >> 7.5 million followers tuned in to him on election night, and he says he knows how the party can win back men. >> let's go out front good evening. i'm erin burnett out front. tonight, the breaking news preparing for war. >> russia tonight scrambling to build and fortify new emergency bunkers as their war with ukraine enters a dangerous escalatory phase. just listen to the governor of russia's leningrad region we must bring all underground rooms, all basements that meet the shelter

requirements to at least this condition so that it is dry. >> there are benches and a supply of water. the ability to go to the toilet in order to temporarily wait out some emergency situation. there's no time for talk. the deadlines are extremely tight. we already need to make radical decisions radical decisions. >> just to be clear here i said leningrad. >> it is a region north of moscow, 500 miles at the closest from ukraine now, though, a target and that's because ukraine is now using america's powerful longer range missiles. missiles that russia claims again were used to hit twice russian military targets in an airfield. today, we're also learning that ukraine's air assault has reportedly injured a north korean general and killed a number of the more than 10,000 north korean troops that putin has brought to help fight his war. >> and now, of course, in this case in the kursk region of russia. >> and tonight, russia is seeking revenge for the onslaught overnight, unleashing

a record number of killer drones as the current deputy chairman of putin's security council and the former russian president dmitry medvedev, fires off a new warning tonight at the united states. medvedev, claiming that the transfer of nuclear weapons to ukraine isn't would be considered an attack on russia by the u.s., he writes that, quote, the consequences are obvious. now, just to state the obvious, of course, there is no talk of the u.s. sending ukraine nuclear weapons, but that is not stopping this rise in rhetoric and the fear mongering on russian state tv i don't know when it will end, but i know that it will end with some kind of missile ultimatum missile ultimatum. it comes as the as a nato military official is warning companies in both the u.s. and europe to prepare for a, quote, wartime scenario. and then this germany is hinting that russia is behind a deadly, fiery dhl cargo plane crash in lithuania overnight. let me just play for you the chilling new air

traffic control audio just into outfront from moments after the plane went down cancel your start up go back to your stand number. >> we just got a a crash of aircraft on the final. so we will need some time all right. >> so that plane crashed and the wall street journal is reporting that incendiary devices, explosives which ignited in germany and the united kingdom over the summer, were part of a secret russian plot designed to start fires on board cargo and passenger flights heading to the united states and canada. fires on board planes, planes over oceans. this would mean a terrifying, fiery death for hundreds in a passenger jet is impossible to even contemplate such a thing. if such a thing were to happen, the consequences would be devastating. and these sobering details come as u.s. intelligence officials are now warning american defense companies to increase security precautions following several additional acts of sabotage in

europe that officials have blamed on russia. nick paton walsh begins our coverage outfront tonight, live in eastern ukraine nick, there are reports of air sirens again going off in kyiv 24 hours ago, as we were talking, that was when the massive drone attack hit ukraine. what are you seeing where you are yeah. >> look, these large scale drone attacks increasingly irregular. and in fact, if some of the tallies suggest a multiple of 3 or 4 larger numbers of drones being fired, sometimes nightly, against vast regions all across of ukraine, including where i am in the east here. but while a lot of the focus has been on the sophisticated missiles flung at both sides by each other in this increasingly global war, the real fact about how the outcome is determined is going to be happening near where i'm standing on the eastern front, where the news is persistently bad for ukraine seeing russia advancing on multiple different directions potentially encircling key towns for

ukraine pointing to a bleak winter ahead. >> here are some of the stark assessments we heard from ukrainian troops serving their they're running out of time, space and people night is killing time for drones. they've switched on the anti-drone device because of the threat around here this ukrainian drone unit of just two hunting, but also hunted. >> i think i hear a drone inside, inside, inside is that a russian drone? is it one of theirs? they don't know, but they have to carry on. yes, yes dogs are not friends for sure their heat signals can give their launch spot away to russia's thermal cameras they close in on the target. >> a house jamming hits the signal but they fire anyway. russia advancing too fast here south of pokrovsk in the east

to miss any chances the skyline speaks of how pokrovsk is in russia's crosshairs ukraine is short of manpower, but it is so bad here. they say they must rely on drones, not infantry, to slow a brazen russian daylight assault like this one. >> still, some elie honig to be dr. mehmet oz jessica tarlov drone is sophie raboud to doge just to zain asher susie wiles kyrylo budanov brianna keilar cargurus russell vought julian alcala watch how the first russian tank here is relentless. >> a trump presidency and possible peace talks loom. >> do they even have time for that? here she has both the maxim ayanna

pressley arivaca the team name, momentum she pete hoekstra nonstop lee zeldin the moment talk here is abnormally negative. with weeks of costly and chaotic retreat on film like these ukrainians hit when they're mistakenly told this building didn't have any russians in it this house has an encircled ukrainian drone unit without any infantry to help fight advancing russians. so they send a drone to fly just 30m across the street yeah yeah, they sam querrey al-awda but so ukraine across center of syria,

russian troops savage in the assault. this footage shows a local in orange who's shown russians where ukrainians were hiding. they are led out and shot while face down now, prosecutors today said that they would be investigating that execution of what it looks like surrendering ukrainians. about two weeks ago, in a village called petrivka, south of pokrovsk, filed that report from one of a number of instances in which surrendering ukrainians appear to be killed by advancing russians. but we heard consistently chilling reports of ukrainian fresh recruits being sent to the front line without training, hoping they get training there on the ground. a lack of fresh ukrainian soldiers able to assist ukraine on the front lines and russia moving so fast that even some of the maps we were shown were out of date. because the russians have moved further forwards it is bleak on those front lines increasingly

so, erin. >> all right. nick thank you very much. from eastern ukraine tonight. let's go now to military and intelligence expert seth jones and retired army major general spider marks. appreciate both of you very much so, seth, you know, trying to understand what what the situation is here, that the world is in. you know, you've got a nato military official warning companies to prepare for wartime scenarios. germany's deputy defense minister, foreign minister warning that russia's outproducing 4 to 1 on ammunition nuclear bunkers in russia. germany saying they're getting bunkers ready. i mean, this is a scenario that we're in right now and then you add to that this reporting that that it's possible that russia was behind taking down this plane, this dhl plane that we played that air traffic control audio from. do you think it's possible that that's the case? >> well, erin, it's not entirely clear whether the russians were behind this specific incident. but i think what is clear and a range of u.s. officials that i've spoken to have confirmed is that the

russians are involved in a much more aggressive campaign of sabotage and subversion across europe, particularly western europe. >> they've been involved in assassinations strikes against weapons depots, fuel depots targeting of oil pipelines and and underwater telecommunicatio ns networks. >> so this is in a sense, this is an escalation of russian activity, mostly gru, the main intelligence directorate of the russian military and the svr, russia's foreign intelligence agency, in in europe, really as a sign that that that they can escalate in the in the areas in the kind of the asymmetric domain right. >> and general marks to that front, you know, the wall street journal talking about incendiary devices that did ignite in germany, in the uk over the weekend, were part of a secret russian plot designed to target not just cargo planes but passenger flights heading to the united states. and

canada. i mean, such a thought is really stunning to contemplate. if that were to happen, what that would mean. how concerned are you, general, about wider russian acts of sabotage there's no reason that we should assume that they're not going to try to take advantage of some real tradecraft that they have. >> they're not bound by any legalities. >> and so they will engage in multiple levels. >> as seth indicated lots of asymmetric activities ongoing, but very precise and devastating kinetic activities as well. >> we should not be surprised. again, we don't know what the facts are surrounding the crash of the dhl. >> we do know we do know that there were those explosions that took place in the uk and germany this past summer so i think it's it's important for us to realize that russia very much and and let's be frank, there's a lot to unpack here from the reporting that you've just laid in front of us. i mean russia now has the narrative that the entire nation is is under threat. >> and under assault.

>> they've got they've increased the threat of nukes that's not new. >> you've got the the concern about war crimes that we just saw that horrendous video, horrendous so we should yeah, we shouldn't be surprised by any of this. >> so so of course there's the concern about escalation. but i don't know that the escalation necessarily will increase direct a decision to be made that there would be direct involvement by nato and to include u.s. forces in ukraine. >> so let me ask you, seth, you know, just you've got the russians obviously, with their nuclear nuclear bunkers that they've been building in mass, right and maybe some of that is real, maybe some of that is for propaganda purposes but the governor of the leningrad region, you know, bring all underground rooms, underground basements, everything that could be used in some sort of a, you know, an incoming missile situation. make sure you have bathroom access to get ready um, you know, you have the same thing being said in germany, right? being said in

germany about trying to make sure that they have bomb shelters ready for use seth, you know, how fraught is this moment? >> well, aaron i think the the russians and particularly vladimir putin are certainly trying to instill a sense of fear in ukraine and then also in other areas of western europe. they have tried to manipulate the fears of u.s. and european officials since the beginning of this war. i think a lot of it has proven fruitless and groundless in a range of cases they have. they have threatened to escalate to use tactical nuclear weapons that has not happened. so i think some of this is really it's a manipulation of a psychological effort. i think it is important to note that the russians are in a tough spot, too. they've lost 600 to 700,000 wounded and killed in this war. so, i mean, it's not like they're they're they're they're are low costs on the russian side either they suffered tremendously general.

>> do you think that the talk we hear from medvedev at this point. right. and he has been won with with aggressive nuclear saber rattling all the way along. former president but obviously now deputy chairman of the putin's security council um, how impactful is that talk in terms of scaring russia's foes well, it's not only an internal message. >> i mean an external message. it's internal as well. i mean, as seth laid out not only are they trying to instill some legitimate concern with nato partners and elsewhere, but also internally they want they want to gin up the notion that this nation is under assault. we all need to galvanize and coalesce and come together. >> um, that's the real recipient. i think of these messages right now because there has been look, the the threat of nukes is like music in the background. it's been there since the outset. every step of escalation has included a threat of nukes we have to take that seriously we have to be very mindful of

that our our nuclear capacity and our readiness is not at risk at all but i really think that the recipient of all these messages are russians. >> all right. well, thank you both very much. and to your point, i'm glad seth said it. 600 to 700,000 young russian men have been horribly wounded or killed in this war. an incredible cost for them. thank you both. and also breaking tonight, the israeli military issuing new evacuation orders in lebanon with just a few hours left until a ceasefire, a cease fire deal is supposed to go into effect. israel's security cabinet approving the deal with hezbollah today after months of deadly attacks. it comes after israel bombarded central beirut today for the first time in the war killing at least ten people, according to the ministry of health in lebanon. nic robertson is out front live from jerusalem. so, nic, you know, how much do we know about this ceasefire? and and really how much it matters in the context of an ongoing war in gaza where the hostages mass of hostages still are being held.

>> yeah. look, it could have a significant impact on on how quickly a ceasefire and a hostage deal emerges in gaza to the point of what does the deal look like? 60 day temporary ceasefire. president biden says he thinks this should be a permanent cease fire. both the israelis and hezbollah pull back. the hezbollah go about 30 miles north of the lebanese-israeli border. um within those two months, the israeli forces pulled back inside of israel proper. the u.n. and lebanese army go in to fill that military vacuum. but i think there's an aspiration here that hezbollah, because it's so beaten down, so defeated, so decimated at a leadership level that it will not be able to grow back. i think that's an aspiration that's borne out of hope more than reality over a period of time. but how it applies to gaza significantly because hezbollah got out of this fight with israel and signed or got into this ceasefire because it

has decided not to support and continue to support the hamas war. so the message to hamas is you're on your own. you don't have you don't have hezbollah shooting into israel, supporting you on the northern border so a reality check for hamas. now you've got to make a deal. where are you going to go what are you going to do? there's no way out. the bombardment, the military efforts are going to continue and president biden said he's going to is going to work with the qataris, with with the turks, with others to hasten that deal. so it's significant, but hamas has to bite. they have to go for it. >> all right. well, nick, thank you very much. in jerusalem tonight and next, a face off between trump's new border czar and the mayor of denver team. trump threatening to jail the mayor if he tries to stand in the way of mass deportations. well denver's mayor will respond next plus, is he the democrats secret weapon to winning back young men? our donie o'sullivan finds out i

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denverites there it's like the tiananmen square moment with the rose and the gun tom homan firing back on fox news me and the denver mayor, we agree on one thing. >> he's willing to go to jail. i'm willing to put him in jail we're going to enforce the law, period and they're not going to stop us all right. >> joining me now, the denver mayor, mike johnston. so mayor johnston, you heard what he said. you got something in common. you're willing to go to jail. he's willing to put you there. he says he's going to enforce the law. are you willing to go to jail over this you know, i think there are thoughtful ways to solve this problem if they want to focus on violent criminals we would be happy to help support pursuing, arresting and deporting them. >> we've helped past administrations. we do that again. if they want to focus on adding more judicial capacity. so folks with asylum claims can have their cases heard more quickly. we would support that. well, we're not going to do is support deploying the 101st airborne into american cities to pull ten year old kids out of their classrooms and handcuffs i think that is

immoral. >> that's unconstitutional, and that's un-american. >> and so i think if that's what they're proposing, they will find us resisting. if they want to partner on common sense solutions, we'll always be happy to partner so if trump were to order ice agents you know, for example. >> right. immigration and customs enforcement agents to go into the state of colorado to enforce federal law. would you order, mayor johnston, your police department to resist them, or are you speaking at this point more of just an act of, you know, protest resistance? or would this actually be an order to your police department yeah, we won't use our law enforcement and we don't think we need to. >> that's not what we're after. i think america is not after another conflict on this issue. thereafter, a way to find pragmatic solutions to this problem. and so, to quote lincoln, you know, we don't think here that that might makes right. we think that right makes might. and so if they are going to send the us army or the navy seals into denver to pursue folks to pull them off the job at hotels or restaurants where they're working or pull kids off the soccer field? i think we will

see denverites and folks around the country who will nonviolently resist that, because i think that doesn't represent our values and doesn't represent the constitution. >> so has your view on the broader situation change, though? and i understand you're trying to draw a distinction between violent criminals and people who are in the country illegally, but are contributing to society. right? going to school working jobs, but is denver mayor going to remain a sanctuary city where you do not enforce federal immigration laws is there going to be any change to how you are running the city we're not changing how we run the city, but it's important that people know what that status means. >> you know what that means is that if someone has committed a violent crime, has committed a felony. we do collaborate with federal law enforcement and we will. what it means we don't do is if someone is driving to work and has a busted taillight on the way, we don't arrest them and connect them to ice for deportation. we think that's disruptive for families and for residents. i was a high school principal before this,

and these are my students. these are kids who were dreamers who are playing by the rules getting jobs, trying to make a life there. they have daughters who play on our soccer teams or sons who sit in your history classes. we don't think that is the problem facing the country. these are 60% of them are working, 25% of them are children. i don't think that is the crisis that the country is worried about. >> so trump is now threatening a 25% tariff on mexico. which of course, you've seen. he says he's going to do that until the invasion ends. that's the word he uses and he says he's going to sign this tariff on his first day. so presumably by his executive order in january so now it let me just play what mexico's president said today, because she responded and she said the tariffs are not going to do it when it comes to solving the migrant crisis. here's how she put it president trump no es con amenazas ni con aranceles como se va a tener el fenomeno migratorio ni el consumo de drogas en estados unidos i know, mayor johnston, you're fluent in spanish, so even though you

couldn't see those the translation on the bottom of the screen, you understood what she said. is it possible though, that the threat of such tariffs of a 25% tariff of such a massive and seismic thing to mexico would force mexico to way more forcefully address the drug and migrant flow than it has up until now i don't think that's going to solve the problem any more than no denver business is asking me to pull folks off the job as a way to solve their economic crisis. >> we have open jobs we're trying to fill. we have more business. we're trying to do more imports and exports we want. that would hurt, i think american farmers and ranchers, and it would hurt american retailers. and so i don't think that is the solution. i think there is a way to work collaboratively with mexico and other countries in central and south america to try to solve this problem. and that's what we're looking for. what are pragmatic ways to help people get to work that want to work, help employers hire them if they want to hire them, and help folks get a fair hearing in court and let the courts decide if they get asylum or not that's all folks are asking. they're not running from the law they're actually running towards the law. they

want to get their cases heard. they have a seven year wait because the bipartisan bill that would have added more administrative and judicial capacity to hear these cases, trump opposed. so there's common sense ways to have these cases heard that are constitutional, that are consistent with american values, that would keep the american economy going. these won't do that. >> all right, mayor johnson, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. you said mayor johnson, the mayor of denver. next, meet the social media superstar who claims he can win over young men from trump it would be very self-serving for me to say i'm the left's joe rogan the democratic party should give me millions of dollars plus, congresswoman nancy mace firing off a number of attacks on transgender women. yet as our kfile uncovered, mace once said, this i'm pro transgender rights. >> i'm pro lgbtq supersize the celebration of america's favorite holiday

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blow up some heads. so, you know, we'll see. >> all right. this comes as democrats right now are pinning their hopes tonight on this man hasan piker the left's biggest influencer in fact 7.5 million people tuned in to his live stream on election night. 7.5 million. so who is he and is he getting young men to swing left? donie o'sullivan went and talked to him and he is out front donie o'sullivan this is hasan piker. >> this is my dog kaya. >> i thought you legitimately were going to work out. >> i could do some weights. >> he's a social media superstar with almost 3 million followers on the video streaming platform twitch. >> they're eating. >> they're eating the pets. so this is that whole masculinity thing. people are talking about, huh? >> and he's part of a growing group of streamers and podcasters reaching young men online, a space trump tapped into to reach young male voters. >> punch in, then you won't be able to see that he's not doing any weights. >> but hasan is not a trump supporter he's a progressive, a

fan of bernie and aoc. >> the democratic party even invited him to the dnc in august. >> one thing we've been hearing for weeks now is that the left needs a joe rogan. >> yeah i don't think that the democratic party can podcast itself out of this issue. >> joe rogan endorsed bernie sanders in 2020. maybe they should do an autopsy on why he left the party i've heard you say when it comes to stuff that guys like you seek that stuff out online, whether it's watching a streamer, whether it's watching guys talking about working out and fitness. >> you say that the right wing just dominates that space. >> yeah. >> why? >> well, i think that's why i started on twitch, right? i know for a fact that the video game space is like people who consume this, this culture, people who are a part of this culture are not all right wing. i wanted to showcase the people that are like, no, you can be a progressive person. you can be

a leftist and like, have fun at the same time. >> how many people are watching your live stream on election night? >> the total unique number was 7.5 million. >> there's a general sense that when it comes to the world of podcasts alternative media, i don't even know what you want to call it. the trump did a much better job with that than democrats, and harris. >> absolutely. >> i think that's true. when i saw the aidan ross collab, i thought, this is not this doesn't have motion. it was awkward. it was weird i never thought about a lawn, but then i saw trump on theo von and he started talking about cocaine and i was like, uh oh this this humanizes him. >> cocaine. >> so you're way up with cocaine more than anything else you can think of. >> cocaine will turn you into a owl, homie. >> you know what i'm saying? >> harris did consider going on joe rogan. >> yeah, but she didn't. >> what is this? that the democrat party has to do differently? >> well, um i think that they

need to change their policies. >> it's a policy thing yes, it's 100% a policy thing because it's boring. >> which is the boring answer, although it would be very self-serving for me to say i'm the left's joe rogan. >> the democratic party should give me millions of dollars. that's not going to solve this problem. what will solve this problem is if the democratic party actually adopts real left wing economic populist messaging instead of purposefully avoiding that stuff because they're terrified of upsetting their corporate donors. i think trump speaks to male insecurities better, and i think trump speaks to the anger that people have. whereas the other side of the political spectrum does not speak to that anger at all. >> there's been a lot of controversy around you. >> yes. >> the way you talk about israel is viewed by some as anti-semitic. yeah. are you anti-semitic? >> of course not. the real problem here is that i'm an anti-zionist. the real problem here is that i'm extremely critical of israel and and all of the information that's

readily available especially on social media, for so many people that don't necessarily rely on mainstream media any longer to get their information. and that's why you see this generational gap. if you're over the age of 35, you're still operating on the old boundaries. you're like, no, israel is the most moral democracy in the middle east, maybe in the world. right. and i think that the major generational divide that is, i think, in a very damaging way, feeding into the mistrust overall that people have with mainstream news in general. uh, is coming from that donie o'sullivan, cnn, los angeles. >> yeah. it's so thoughtful and important to hear that ken martin is out front. he is running to be the next chair of the dnc. he's the current chairman of the minnesota democratic-farmer-labor party. i really appreciate your time, ken. so you hear hasan piker 7.5 million people watched him on an election night. he's all in as a democrat, but then he's talking to donny about how the video game and fitness

space online is dominated by right wing people talking about it. right? not necessarily everyone into fitness, right? that there's that that gap and he says that trump speaks to male insecurities better. he speaks to the anger that people have and that democrats don't speak to that anger at all. i'm quoting hasan here he's very direct about the problem. do you agree with him well first off, aaron, thanks for having me on tonight. >> and actually, i think hassan's right and most of what he says there and particularly as it relates to the fact that the republicans have been since the 2000 election, 2020 election, a constant drumbeat of misinformation disinformation and lies on platforms that the democratic party really wasn't competing. and we live in a 24 over seven, 365 day information environment. now that we have to be competing in in a much better way. >> podcasts streaming services, tiktok social media. >> of course, my two boys, 22 and 20. >> they get their information from tiktok right? and so we

have to start realizing that we have to be where the voters are. that's half the battle, of course. and i do think micro-influencers like hasan and others who are already trusted validators and messengers in these spaces to help push these messages out. and to have conversations with voters and and people who are feeling frustrated and angry and left behind. you see, when we send people into these spaces, it tends to be politicians or talking heads people like hasan have deep influence and certainly have a voice and a following. >> so, you know, there has been a lot of focus and he sort of touches on that because he's talking about the dominance of right wing voices in very male spaces, like video games or, um, fitness and there has been, though broadly speaking, can so much focus right now. and as you're looking to run the dnc this is at the center of it. on whether the democratic party needs to move aggressively away from certain social positions like die right or from issues where democrats certainly seem

to be in this election and certainly were successfully branded as much to the left of american voters. for example kamala harris is support of taxpayer funded surgeries, transgender surgeries for illegal migrants. the heads of the trump and harris campaigns see the impact of that issue of that now famous ad very differently. i wanted to play each of them for you we targeted black men, hispanic families, uh white families, suburban women. >> we ran that because it also got to the point about boys and girls locker rooms, which suburban moms don't like. >> so no, listen i would i will say that will go down as one of the most ruthlessly effective negative ads in the history of presidential politics. >> this trans ad was not driving vote. >> there's a belief that if only we had responded to this trans ad with national and huge battleground state ads, we would have won. i don't think that's true so, ken, how do you see it?

>> one of the most ruthlessly effective negative ads in all of history or this trans ad was not driving the vote, even if they responded to it more effectively, they wouldn't have won. which point of view is right? >> well, i don't know at which point of view is right. >> what i do know is we don't have to abandon our values here. >> we can stand up for the oppressed and marginalized and people who are being pushed out of this conversation while also at the same time centering this conversation around people's economic pain and their frustrations with what was happening in this country these last several years. it's not about left or right to me. it's about making sure we focus squarely on a working class agenda that centers the struggles of this multiracial multigenerational working class that is feeling left behind. that's working harder than they ever have before that's struggling to get ahead and feeling like no one gives a about their lives. at the end of the day, that's the thing that unites all parts of our broad coalition in the democratic party, and we need

to focus back on basics here right and so but at the same time, we do not need to abandon our values. we will stand up and protect and fight for people who are being pushed out of this conversation in this country and bullied and attacked like we see in congress right now. >> all right, well, i really appreciate your time, ken martin, as i said, chairman of the minnesota democratic farmer-labor party. and i know, sir, you are running to run the dnc and that decision for the democratic party is going to be crucial so much is at stake. so thank you for your time. and you mentioned what's going on in congress. well, that comes down to this. the republican congresswoman nancy mace now leading the charge when it comes to attacking transgender women. but wait until you see what she used to say about the trans community this gives about face a whole new name. k file has the tapes plus harry enten with what's become the most googled term for the first time in more than 20 years. >> five good things. listen wherever you get your podcasts. >> no peeking. okay, okay open

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uncovered from her past. just listen i'm pro transgender rights. >> i'm pro lgbtq you saw the date on there last year. >> andrew kaczynski of kfile joins me now. i mean, it's pretty incredible. someone who's posting. what did you say 300 times in a couple in a, you know hours of anti-trans content just a year ago was saying what she said, right there and saying, actually, i know that she supported children deciding their own gender identity. >> yeah. that's right. >> as recently as just last year. >> right. she was saying that she was pro transgender rights. she was saying she was open to children exploring their gender identity. >> and she said she was open to, you know, male children using female pronouns, wearing dresses uh, or basically, you know exploring their gender identity. and this was sort of striking like a moderate tone for republicans because she was saying at the same time that she was against things like hormone blockers and surgery,

but she was open to them exploring their gender identity in many ways, and her being a moderate on this issue really goes all the way back to 2021, when she first came into congress. >> now her district when she first got elected in 2020, was sort of a moderate district. then it got changed to a more conservative district in 2022. and that's where you saw her shifting her rhetoric on a whole bunch of issues. but at that time, she sponsored the fairness for all act and that was essentially a republican bill that would have outlawed or banned discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity. it did have carve outs for religious institutions. and i want to read what she said at the time because it is just so different than what she said today she said, quote, i strongly support lgbtq rights and equality. no one should be discriminated against. i have friends and family that identify as lgbtq. i understand how they feel and how they've been treated is important having been around gay, lesbian and transgender people has informed my opinion

in my lifetime. that was her in 2021. take a listen to what she was saying in 2023 as well i'm pro transgender rights. >> i'm pro lgbtq, just don't go to the extreme with our kids now. if they want to take on a different pronoun or a different gender identity, or grow their hair out, or wear a dress or wear pants, or do those things as a minor, those are all things that i think most people would support. be who you want to be, but don't make those permanent changes when it's a child, they may decide as an adult, hey, instead of being johnny, i want to be jill. that's okay. but let them figure that out and make that decision when they can consent you know it's just an incredible shift to see what she's saying there and what she is saying now. >> in recent days, when did her position start to shift it's really unclear it's sort of all over the place because even a month after that interview, she spoke out against transgender

women in women's sports. >> so she's sort of been all over the place. obviously the catalyst for this was sarah mcbride. uh getting elected, like you said, hundreds of of anti-transgender tweets that is something that we did not see from her at all until just this week. listen to her just a couple of days ago i just spoke at an event with a couple hundred people some trans lunatic tried to rush the stage and attack me, and he is just making the case for me that we don't want in women's spaces. >> f off and i just had a woman come up to me and get in my face about it, and i told her to f right off so i was texting with nancy mace. >> i was like, how do you square all this stuff? and here's what she told me. she said, i voted for gay marriage twice. i would do it again. i voted for pro lgbtq legislation, but i draw the line at women being forced to undress in front of men or men using our bathrooms or any

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views as to how americans view tariffs, even though they do know that they will increase prices. >> yeah. what we see right now is that the majority of americans, in fact favor new tariffs a favor as opposed to opposed. and this is such a difference from where we were six years ago when trump was trying to impose new tariffs. back then, favoring was underwater by nine points. more americans opposed than favored new tariffs. we've seen a switcheroo over the last six years at this point, which is and that's a dramatic shift, right? >> i mean, you're talking about, you know, close to 15 point swing. so, you know when you look specifically to the extent that you can among people who do know that, you know, everyone is told that tariffs will result in higher prices how do those people see tariffs. >> this is like the amazing thing right. there's the whole argument. oh well if people only knew that tariffs raised prices they would be against tariffs. >> uh in fact the majority of the american public in that same poll that showed that folks favored new tariffs, actually argue and believe that they will increase prices. >> they will not drop them only

18% believe that they would lower prices, 23% say no effect. so the bottom line is the folks are tuned in to what tariffs will actually do to prices, even so, they believe that new tariffs are a good idea. >> all right. and that's important right. you can't you can't say that that people don't know. they know and they support it. so informed all right before we go harry, tell me something i don't know. >> how am i supposed to tell you something that you don't know about? you know far more about tariffs than i do. but i went to google, and this is so interesting. so i looked at how many people were searching on google for tariffs. we have reached a 20 year high in november of 2024 compared to the 20 year average. look at that rise up nearly 1,200%. so the bottom line is you may think that tariffs are a bore if you're out there. but the american people think tariffs are quite hot at this point. >> wow i mean that's that's a huge increase. and it's not just off a small base. it's a 20 year high correct. wow all right. thank you so much harry. thank you