your mom gone to not really have a relationship with your dad my younger brother committed suicide like it's just thanksgiving is not my holiday, so i will be spending it in jamaica i'm happy with that and we are grateful for you being here tonight. >> lance, you oh, okay. so this is a family tradition i'm hoping my step mother and father are not watching right now. but there's a tradition to make two different types of dressings. one regular one with oysters i don't like the oyster. no one eats the oyster. and so i'm advocating hardcore. we should stop making the oyster again. hope you're not watching you out there. >> maybe you're thinking turkey and oyster. yeah. >> stuffing of course. >> yeah, the whole stuffing dressing term. but yeah, i guess no. on the oysters. >> i'm no on the oyster dressing. all right. >> my turkey is brining as we speak. >> good. >> well, getting ready maybe i should try your turkey. >> never try it. i'll bring you some yeah, to lance's stepfamily it's all him. >> we happy

now tonight, a friend requests from mark zuckerberg to one donald trump. >> the two meeting in person, down in mar-a-lago. so what's this all about? plus the other billionaire elon musk putting federal workers on edge tonight after he publicly named some employees that he wants to fire. apparently is this how doge is going to work? and later, a trip down memory lane to the days of family matters. guess who's here? steve urkel aka stefon urkel and jaleel white join me for a special conversation. you will not want to miss. tonight on laura coates live good evening. we're going to get to all of those stories in

just a moment, but we are going to begin tonight with a potential break in one of the greatest mysteries in all of american history. i'm talking about the hunt for the true identity of d.b. cooper. now he is the infamous airplane hijacker who jumped out of a plane back in 1971 with $200,000 in cash. never to be seen again. his identity is a mystery to this very day, but tonight, my next guest says that he has found that parachute that d.b. cooper used and that it could actually end the mystery once and for all. >> we just solved it literally literally this this is this is the rig. because they know what rig he used when he jumped that night. >> now he says it belongs to a man named richard mccoy jr.. now look at the side by side comparison. the parachute was found on the mccoy family

property about two years ago. now he has always been a rumored long time suspect and was killed in 1974 after pulling off a similar heist. but there has never been any proof linking him. now, bits of money have been recovered in the past, and there have been literally hundreds of tips and leads over the years that have gone exactly nowhere but according to my next guest, his discovery of the parachute caught the attention of the fbi who then visited the home and took the parachute into custody. now, we asked the fbi about this and they wouldn't confirm nor deny. they would only point us to a 2016 statement that basically says they've stopped wasting resources on this because they've gotten nowhere. but they say something very interesting at the end of that 2016 statement. quote although the fbi will no longer actively investigate this case should specific physical evidence emerge, related specifically to the parachutes or the money taken by the

hijacker individuals with those materials are asked to contact their local fbi field office. well, joining me now is the man who helped uncover the parachute dan gryder. he is a retired pilot, a youtuber, and a d.b. cooper sleuth. dan, great to have you here tonight. tell me about how you found that piece of evidence and why you believe that that belonged to d.b. cooper who you believe is actually richard mccoy jr.. >> that's correct. hi, laura. thanks for having me on. yes, we found that parachute. it was the description of the parachute that was used that night was very, very specific in that it was modified. so all these years, for 20 years, i've been looking for this green military highly modified parachute. and when we stumbled upon it by accident, i pulled it out. and i took one look at it and i could instantly see the modifications. >> but what were these modifications? how could you recognize, say one parachute from another well, in

the parachuting world it's very easy to tell. >> you take one look at where the rip cord housing is and all the modifications that were done to the front side of that i knew. i knew what i was looking for when i pulled that out of there. and it was it matched exactly on first glance. i already knew this. this is it. it was found in mccoy's mother's possessions in deep in her storage with all of her prized possessions. she was a grandmother, not related to aviation or skydiving, and she had the parachute. the canopy. his logbook. she had all that stuff tucked away in her private possessions that hadn't been seen for 53 years. >> that's unbelievable to think about. and the modifications i would assume, would have facilitated the ability to do the very heist that people have been fascinated with. but you also say that the fbi asked for a dna sample from one of mccoy's children what are they going to do with that? >> yes. well, you know, i've been tracking this thing for almost 20 years. and over that

20 years, the mccoy children have never come out. they've never spoken to me. i tried like crazy to get these kids to talk to me, and they would not talk to me until both their mother and their grandmother died. their mother, karen mccoy, was an accomplice in both hijackings. and what most people don't know is that there was actually two hijackings. there was the first one, the d.b. cooper one, and then the same guy, richard floyd mccoy. he went back and did the exact same thing five months later, april of 72. it's the same guy, but none of the kids would ever talk to me about this until they were both dead and then they felt relieved that their mother was no longer in danger of going to prison. as an accomplice in the d.b. cooper heist. >> that's incredible to think about that they may have. according to you, believe that their family was somehow connected to any of this. there was not a charge for the mother. i understand, but you say mccoy's family. they also found a logbook. what was in that? >> the logbook was a parachute

jump logbook that showed 39 previous military static line jumps accomplished by mccoy in the military he served two terms in vietnam he was a helicopter pilot, a fixed wing pilot, and a military trained jumper. but the logbook showed eight practice jumps leading up to the d.b. cooper jump and then nothing. this was his first freefall parachute jump, civilian style logbook, so he logged 39 previous static line jumps and then eight practice freefall jumps in in anticipation of doing this, hijacking and then nothing until right before april of 72. he went back and did one more practice jump prior to his april 72 parachute jump, and he logged that one. all of those jumps are in there they're there, signed there in his ink. they're there, symmetrical everything matches. larry patterson's logbook matches richard floyd mccoy's logbook. they're a perfect match wow. >> and what would have given the children an indication that

either of their parents, they believed to have been involved in this. >> well they knew they grew up with this deep family secret. this is one thing the kids will tell you. they're not giving any interviews right now, but but they they will if they could, they would tell you they're not. they're not talking. and they've lived a lifetime of knowing that they cannot talk about this, that that was their family mantra. they could not talk about what their mom and dad did their mom and dad were both complicit in both hijackings, and they knew it. >> wow. i mean you say that the fbi contacted you after after you released your evidence video on youtube. i got to know what that was like, talking to them and the fact that they were leaning in and intrigued by what you found after all these years. >> well, the fbi did call you know, it's interesting. we've never contacted any media. we've never contacted any authority, and we have never contacted any fbi in any way. the fbi contacted us after

watching my two youtube videos. they were convinced and they wanted to see what i had found. they knew specifically exactly what they were looking for, and they told us up front, we're going to look at it. we're going to meet with you. we'll meet with you at your location under your specifications. if it's not what we're looking for, we'll give it back in seven days because we know exactly what we're looking for. that's been a year ago so i'm led to believe that perhaps they are going to keep it in custody because they believe that you're on to something. maybe everything they're keeping it in custody because of the dna. the fbi cannot go by circumstantial evidence. they're going to go by a dna link, and they're trying they're trying their hardest to make a solid dna link between all the artifacts that will tie richard floyd mccoy. that's the only way they can close it is with a solid dna lock. they're going to keep this everything that i found is at quantico. the fbi laboratory everything i found is is in one storage location at quantico

right now. and their efforts are purely dna related wow. >> dan, this feels like a movie that i want to see. and yet it could be the solution to the mystery that everyone's been watching since the 70s. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> let's discuss this more with journalist and author jeffrey gray. he literally wrote the book on this very story it's called skyjack the hunt for d.b. cooper. jeffrey good to see you. what do you think about this? i mean, could the parachute be the key? >> you know, great to be here, laura. i got to say, i have been spending, you know, a lot of my life on this case, and i am honestly, i'm blown away with this little discovery of the parachute. and not only that, the parachute, but the fbi has come to take it and has actually, you know, has swabbing for dna evidence of a of a relative of a suspect. it's major news in this case. you know, the d.b. cooper case is american history. it is one of the great hunts the great, um the one that has got away literally from investigators

for decades. so the fact that they've come and taken dna evidence is a big deal in this case. it's probably one of the biggest deals in ten years. maybe more. and i got to give it up for dan, who did all the work. you know, he flew to all these places he, you know, he knocked on all those doors and he found this parachute in the back of a garage. now, however a parachute found in the back of a garage or this tobacco barn, you know, of richard mccoy does not quite connect all the way to unveiling and unmasking the hijacker. and so there's still some some serious questions about richard mccoy. so what are the what are the holes that you see? >> what do you what would you need since you've had so much research on it to connect the dots? >> yeah. so what we all need is a dna match. okay. we need something definitive. the problem is that there's not great dna material in the case. there's scant, if any, at all they could maybe find some hairs or something on a parachute. but what are they going to really match it to? the best evidence that was collected on that night

thanksgiving. right. this this night, many many years ago were these cigarette butts, these raleigh filter tip cigarette butts that were collected on the plane. but really, they've not found, at least in my reporting, the fbi has sort of those butts have gone missing. so there's like a tie. there's a couple other things but not really any great material. okay dna. so that's problem number one. problem number two, for fans of richard mccoy, who like him as a suspect, is that he doesn't look really close to what eyewitnesses on that night thought d.b. cooper looked like. okay. and this is the big deal for me. and why i have mccoy doubts. i wrote, you know, about mccoy extensively in skyjack. my book, and he just. he's got blue eyes. you know, people thought the hijacker had brown eyes and another critical, critical point is, the best eyewitness described cooper as having marcelled hair like kind of curly, like curly tight curly hair and richard mccoy, look at his hair. he's

got the flattest thinnest, like, kind of like kind of hair. it's not even close to being curly. he doesn't look even close to it. um, so those those are the hard kind of questions that d.b. cooper sleuths like myself and dan look at when we look at a suspect like richard mccoy. >> you know, i actually spoke to another investigator who pointed to another possible person of interest, vince peterson. peterson at one point in time and had some of the concerns that you raised about trying to piece together this really, i wouldn't call it an age old mystery, but it's pretty difficult to solve a crime like this all these years later when someone literally jumps out of an airplane and goes away with the money. i mean, this is fascinating to me, and i'm glad that you were here with us today, jeffrey gray, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> well up next, another fascination another billionaire spotted at donald trump's florida resort. guess who it was? him mark zuckerberg. so what was he doing there? we'll

dive into the mar-a-lago social network next. plus, the doge brothers. yeah, it's a phrase now they get ready to head down to capitol hill as federal workers worry about being singled out by elon musk. and later, my conversation with jaleel white on his career defining role. steve urkel, seth urkel, steve urkel, all of them apply to it. >> december 8th on cnn. it's a night that's good for the soul. join anderson cooper and laura coates for cnn heroes, an all star tribute. thank you guys. meet the honorees and celebrate their life changing achievements. >> they're ordinary people doing extraordinary things. >> then find out who will be named the cnn hero of the year. >> it's really incredible. >> plus, don't miss a special tribute to this year's legacy award honoree, michael j. fox. cnn heroes, an all star tribute. sunday, december 8th on cnn as for the facts,

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>> the meta ceo went down there to meet with president-elect donald trump and meta spokesperson confirmed it said it was trump who invited zuckerberg and zuckerberg was, quote, grateful for the meeting. just remember facebook booted trump off the platform after january 6th, before then reinstating his account in 2023. the two have had a rocky relationship, to say the least. well joining me now is cnn political commentator and republican strategist brad todd. and former special assistant to president biden megan hayes. glad to see you both. this evening, brad they've had a bit of a contentious relationship. trump and zuckerberg trump actually once threatened to have him jailed. if we can all recall that so what's this all about? why this meeting? >> one one phrase and two numbers? three numbers. section 230 the social media giants currently are protected from liability suits based on section two. 30 media companies could be sued if they say things that are defame other people but social media companies cannot because

they're a platform that just basically is like, i'm hosting you, but we're not responsible for what you say that's correct. however, mark zuckerberg and many other platforms began curating people, as we all know, deciding what stays on the platform, what doesn't. a lot of republicans in congress, people like josh hawley, think that that means they should be liable. if you're making decisions about the content on your platform, that means you're not just neutrally hosting it. then you should not have that special liability protection with republicans in charge, both the white house and congress, i think section 230 reform is on the agenda. mark zuckerberg, he doesn't want to be on the wrong side of that is part of what the incoming fcc or nominee has focused on in previous writings as well. >> the idea of section 230 and this accusation that there has been censorship by those who hold these platforms. so what would stand out about trump's having a friendly relationship with, say, mark zuckerberg? he already certainly has one with elon musk i mean, i think this is a mutually beneficial relationship, right? >> like i think this is beneficial for mark zuckerberg

to go down there. they had a really tumultuous relationship in his first term, and i think it's smart for him to go down there just for the reasons you're mentioning. but this is a massive place of media for him. this is another way that trump can reach voters where they are but also zuckerberg needs him on his side. they need to get along. and so i think this is trying to mend the relationship that they didn't have in his first term. >> i mean, congress has tried to do this, though. i mean, the idea of trump talking to mark zuckerberg, and that would solve the issue might be farcical to the members of congress who have been trying to not only understand technology, but also to try to reform section 230 and bring it up to sort of congressional code, so to speak um, then you've got people like elon musk though, brad literally posting the and putting federal workers on notice on x that he wants to fire some of them he actually named, i think, four relatively unknown employees examples of people that he actually does want to fire why would he do that as a way of promoting perhaps the doge department? >> well, of course elon musk is not going to have any official

authority in this white house. it's outside the government that the doge is going to operate. i think in the that's true, though he seems to have a lot of influence. he has influence, influence but not authority. those are two different things. i think he does have a lot of influence, and i think that in the end, the doge is going to end up focusing not on individual people, but on more structural reforms. you know, for instance we have spent $42 billion on joe biden's broadband program that hasn't signed anybody up on the internet. they spent tons to build 17 charging stations for electric vehicles. those are the kind of wasteful government programs that are going to be either contracted out to providers who could do it, or right sized or, you know, maybe even move some of those departments out of washington. but i think it'll be macro picture before we before all is said and done. >> but macro would be what you said the macro would be naming individuals. why take that route then? >> i don't think he should. i think we've seen in the last 24 hours all of these people who have been swatted and who have had bomb threats at their house that are now public figures, i mean, they've been public figures but are being named. these are people who

either are political appointees or civil servants that are being named in an unfair way they seem to have. elon musk seems to have a vendetta or personal issues with them, or what their offices are doing. so it's it's not appropriate for him to be doing that. but i do agree that they should be looking at the government holistically and not at individual people. >> by the way, is how it should be swatted. >> no i mean, that goes without saying who agrees with that? >> elon musk thought that when they were tracking his flights, he was particularly perturbed about that and not having the sort of privacy, which is it just it's befuddling to think of why he would do that. but also, you've got longtime trump ally steve, steve bannon telling peter hamby that musk was the deciding factor, the deciding factor in trump's win, saying to be brutally frank, it's the reason we won. do you agree with that? >> i agree with steve bannon on very little, but i'm going to halfway agree with him on this. i think i think that one of the key demographics for trump that he improved on versus last time was with younger men. and i think a lot of younger men see elon musk as a disruptor. and they see that he's changed

a lot of industries that they find relevant to their life. you know, john fetterman, the senator from pennsylvania, the democrat said that a lot of young men saw in him. tony stark, you know, the marvel hero. and so elon musk is kind of that mysterious, you know superhero person to some people so i think it was it was more important than an endorsement than oprah. and maybe a more important endorsement than taylor swift in this presidential campaign. so i might buy steve bannon's argument on this. >> well, i wonder why robert downey jr. then won't play him on snl. they asked dana carvey, i'm just just going out there for the marvel people out there. do you agree with how influential he is? >> i mean, i think he's more influential as a person showing up with donald trump on the stump than his money. but i do think that people notice when people put their money where their mouth is. and i think that elon musk did that. but i don't necessarily think his money helped the ground game. i mean, it was widely reported. it was not a successful ground game, that he was not successful. but i do think him being on the stump with trump helped him because he resonates with younger people who see something and see a disrupter

and they see sort of a defiant attitude and they see people who are going to fight for them. and i think that was part of why republicans won in this election. well if only these ballots had after the bubble, the word because then we would know what the mandate was and why people voted for people. >> brad todd, megan hayes happy thanksgiving eve. thank you both for being here today. all right are you are you dreading politics coming up at the thanksgiving table? and how should you handle those political hot takes? well, scott jennings and van jones, they've got some pro tips for all of us. plus the man you knew and loved as steve urkel, jaleel white. he is my special guest tonight. him and that smile cnn thanksgiving in america live tomorrow at 8:00 on cnn. >> lie to everyone. risk your life on a daily basis. no glamor, no exploding watch. the cia sends us out into the world to behave in entirely unhealthy

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tuesday at nine on hgtv i just wish you weren't a liar. >> i wish you wouldn't call me a liar. >> don't raise your voice at me. >> i am not raising my voice. >> you do not talk to me like that you don't talk to me like that okay? >> that's what you want to avoid. tomorrow at the thanksgiving table. particularly if the topic of politics comes up. and let me tell you, this year, it's going to be extra tense, given that we are just a few weeks removed from the election. now, the majority of you according to this cbs news poll, want absolutely nothing to do with talking about politics tomorrow, 71% say they're going to try to avoid it totally hear you on that. but 29% will actively try to talk about it 29%. so odds are, even if you don't want to there's going to be someone in your circle who is going to engage and eagerly. so if that happens, we've got you covered tonight with advice

from two of the best who do this for a living. cnn senior political commentator scott jennings and van jones gentlemen i'm glad you're both here. we have put together a list that we're calling thanksgiving topics. you definitely don't want to talk about, but just might have to thanks to a crazy uncle or aunt. so here's this kind of jeopardy category for you all. i'll begin with you, scott um, someone says trump doesn't have a mandate to carry out what he wants to because he got under 50% of the popular vote. give us the jennings response at that table oh please. >> donald trump has gotten more votes every time he's run for three straight elections. he won the national popular vote for the first time for a republican since 2004, and his party won the house and the senate. the american people have given him a mandate to govern. they want the republican party to take action. and you sir, bringing this up to me at the table, would be wise to tell your party don't be obstructionist, because i don't think the american people are going to

like it oh, he is not getting the last crescent roll. >> all right, van jones, what's your take? go ahead. mhm. >> uh well, uh, first of all yeah he has a mandate but for what? because he says so many different things and people who voted for him said, well i'm voting for him because i believe he's going to do this, but not the nine other things he said he's going to do so all we know is that people didn't like the status quo. he barely squeaked out this win we have, we're two votes away from a majority in the house. he did not get the popular vote, and it's clear he has a he has a mandate to not be joe biden. but it's not clear he has a mandate to do in fact, and a lot of stuff he's going to try to do when it comes to tariffs, his own base is going to reject. so he has he has no mandate and mandate, and he should be the one who is careful and doesn't overreach. >> now this is the moment when somebody fights over the canned cranberry sauce or the one that someone made homemade, and everyone's like yeah, sure, thank you for making it here's

one for you and another candidate besides kamala harris would have won in that same 100 day stretch what's your response well my response is, we don't know. >> we'll never know. but to the extent that that's meant to be some kind of slight against kamala harris or some kind of put down of kamala harris, i think it's very important to remember that, you know, there are two numbers, 39, which is the percent of approval for joe biden historically catastrophically low, and 55, the number of people, the number of people who wanted a new direction for america. so she had to go up against those two numbers in 100 days. and she closed the gap in the swing states in a way that was very very impressive. and so you know, and we've never had a female president before. so she was trying to bang against a glass ceiling, maybe a concrete ceiling and she acquitted herself very, very well anybody who's criticizing her now would have to say if you'd asked six months ago, would she do as well as she did? you said, no way. she had donald trump scared right up until the very end i think you should be

proud of kamala harris. >> scott i'm passing you the mashed potatoes proverbially here. go ahead yeah, well, i can see why you're down on kamala harris. >> i mean, she was one of the worst democratic nominees of our lifetime and presidential campaigns have a way of revealing the talent levels of the people who are in them. and i think we found the ceiling she bumped up against. if you hadn't remembered it from 2020 or 2019, she would make it to 2020. now you really have seen it on display and maybe she'll try it again in four years from now. we'll never know if another democrat could win, but i'll tell you this, joe biden and his administration and what kamala harris helped him do have tainted the democratic party. it delivered republican majorities in washington, d.c. and now their party is in the wilderness trying to figure out what went wrong. and the american people are expecting republicans to lead us out of this morass, this malaise, if you will, that we've been in for the last four years. >> something tells me that scott's not making it to dessert at vance house i see his head shaking. someone's getting thrown out. i don't

know whose house it is. right now, but i'm going to go on to the next one right now because scott. okay, this one is for you. and it's probably sure to come up trumps only about loyalty himself and his stacking his entire cabinet with yes men and yes women scott i mean honestly, are you are you complaining that a president of the united states is appointing people to his government? >> that. oh my gosh, supported his election campaign, that support his agenda? that's unheard of. we've never heard of this before that's crazy talk. every president appoints people to the cabinet that supported them that supports the things they want to do. i mean my goodness gracious, joe biden ended up appointing pete buttigieg as secretary of transportation because he said, well, you know, i like trains. choo choos are fun this is a great cabinet. this is great picks. these people are going to shake up washington, dc. and so what if they're loyal to donald trump? that's what you that's what the american people voted for. a government that's going to follow donald trump's agenda that he ran on that's what they voted for.

that's how he won the people should execute his agenda van, you're choking on that wishbone right now. >> go ahead and tell me what you're action is before you have to have the heimlich maneuver. my friend go ahead it's a it's a nightmare bone. >> i don't know which is here yeah. listen i know i 100% disagree on this because yes, people wanted a change of direction, but they didn't want was a train wreck they didn't want a clown car. they didn't want a circus next to, you know, a forest fire. like you can have people who support your agenda, who are competent. you can have people who support your agenda, who are not literally a punch lines when you're when you are announcing people for your cabinet and people aren't sure if it's an episode of the onion or if it's real when you have to, like, triple check because these these things are so ludicrous. that is not what anybody voted for. nobody voted to destroy america's government. and a lot of these picks have no qualification at all except loyalty. and that's

the problem. >> all right, well i'm going to end on food because i feel like this might be the ties that bind, or it might be just the nail in the coffin. i have two quick questions for both of you. do we call it stuffing or dressing? and is it pumpkin pie or sweet potato pie? go van uh we call it stuffing and and for me it's sweet potato pie and scott. scott is it dressing or stuffing? >> i'm putting my i'm going to put i'm going to put my i'm going to put my pilgrim hat on because this is where this is the real debate. and please don't just i just want to say i'm going to we're not maga tonight. we're mad, but we're going to make america pilgrim again. and i'm going to disagree with van. i would i do like sweet potato pie. i would opt for the pumpkin pie and we do call it dressing some people in my family call it stuffing, but majority dressing. so once again van and i cannot seem to find common ground at this thanksgiving table. but i will send you your pilgrim hat, my friend uh, but please, please do. >> i need another trash can oh

okay. >> well, at this point, i say, it's been so nice to have you both at my table. the door's over there. you can't stay for games. you can't van scott, who has brought not only a bucket of chicken on my show before but now a pilgrim hat. i'm gonna call you later. i'll call you later van. i'll shake my head with you. van scott, thank you both so much. happy thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving. happy holidays. brother happy holidays brother. thank you. see you guys. love you both. >> up next, a very special guest on this thanksgiving eve. the one and only jaleel white on growing up as steve urkel. and of course, stefon urkel. look at jaleel. i mean i'm telling you, listen, growing up as laura in the era of family matters thank you for having me on your show please tell me you got that. please tell me that's my new ringtone. hold on a second. i got to do it. we'll be right back. hold on. nope.

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ook what you did. >> are steve urkel aka jaleel white? >> did that? and so many more quotable moments and lovable chaos throughout the nine seasons of family matters one of the most iconic family sitcoms of the 90s. and despite the fact that when jaleel white first appeared as steve urkel, he was just supposed to be a one off guest star. but he was an immediate hit. he helped boost the show's ratings. we all fell in love with him and his character. here's his first scene with laura winslow hi, laura i hear you can't get a date for the dance so you want to go with me? >> take a hike, urkel. >> she'd rather eat worms. okay some other time, then did i mention my dad knows wayne newton

make him go away get out of here, goat face excuse me the number of times i've heard. >> laura, my sweet over my life. i'm laura, and i definitely do not want you to go away. jaleel white is here with me. his new memoir, growing up urkel, is out right now. i am so excited to have you here. i have been such a fan of your work. in fact, my kids 12 and ten. they also watch family matters. they know you so much that my son was you for halloween. >> i love it. >> well, listen, i got to tell you people underestimate the ability to be a comedic actor. i mean, really, to be able to do that at such a young age, to be able to be consistent. you started on family matters as steve urkel when you were just 12 years old. you were 21 when

the show wrapped this is a very formative period in your life. what was that like growing up as people? they knew as steve, but also jaleel you know, it was it was amazing. >> you know, the number one thing i'd like to share with people is at least through the book, is that i attended public school the entire time i was on that show. yeah, the entire time i was in public school, my mother was insistent, and it was a time before smartphones when you could somewhat get away with it, but it still didn't come without its drama. i kind of see my my maturation on the show in chapters. you know, when you're in middle school, it suddenly makes you really popular at school and when you're in high school, you know, you're still popular. but things are changing stefan saved my life. we can talk about that whenever you want to, but then by the time you get to college. yeah, about that and when you came in for the cooling, you with babyface. >> yeah, we can talk about that yeah. >> but then when you finally get to college and, you know, you got the east west rap beef going on and the, the, the

image of of of a young black man is changing in america. you know, it was it was a weight on my shoulders during, during my college years but i survived those. and by the time my daughter got here, i was really able to appreciate the work that i'd done. >> well i want to talk about that because i've often wondered. i mean, you are so to many people were so synonymous with the character. it must have been hard for people to differentiate you as an actor from the real person. how did people treat you in your college days and beyond, when you had probably been quite pigeonholed? >> you know, i that's the the stereotypical reaction and i respect it. but i've done over 400 episodes of episodic television and and you know, much of that came after family matters. um, it's it's a challenge for any actor. laura to move on from one sitcom or one well-known show to the next

big opportunity that lands as big as that show. and it's tougher to do these days because not everybody's watching the same thing anymore. >> i'm so glad you said that, because i often think about that probably contributing to a lot of the division we have when we don't have those common threads, like we don't have everyone knowing the catchphrases they don't have, i make my kids watch all the shows i used to, so they know that mommy's funny and know my catchphrases because they got to have some commonality. their friends have no idea what they're talking about, but i want to play for everyone. some of steve urkel's most famous catchphrases you got any cheese? >> i'm falling i can't get up knin i do that i do that, can i do that how do you feel when you watch yourself back at that age? >> it's you know, during pandemic, i actually spent some time watching all the episodes. i wasn't in and picking out certain episodes that i just wanted to reconnect with it's an out of body experience for

me. it really is. you know, i tell everybody i don't hide it. it was paid schizophrenia, so i really did create somebody who is very similar to me actually, in a lot of awkward ways growing up. but but very different from me in mannerisms though, how did you navigate the fact that, i mean obviously you were not intended to be the star of the show, but you are, i think, one of the most recognizable figures from that show there couldn't have been all wine and roses behind the scenes. >> you write about that? >> yeah. no, it wasn't always roses behind the scenes and, you know, it was definitely bumpy in the beginning. and i think that's been well documented. i don't like to beat up my, my, my former costars though we eventually really did become quite the family. i talk about, you know, in the book. also, when we got a chance to travel to to paris together as a, as a as a cast, we're the only black show that's ever shot episodes in europe. and i'm really, really proud of that. um, you know it's it's like anything, man. like the bulls won a lot of championships, but trust me,

they didn't get along all the time and. but it's important that you look back fondly and with respect on the people that you worked with. >> oh, i got to go back and watch the last dance again. scotty. michael, what's really going on there? i wonder, though, you mentioned the differentiation and how some things you resonated with and some things were like you or not, did you ever feel like you were growing out of steve urkel? >> oh yes see, to me, that's the more interesting story is the the slow inevitable and obvious. me growing out of the character, which i have to laugh at even myself. um, you know and i mean, i literally did the character from age 12 to 21, um stefan saved my life. you know, i really underestimated how much people needed to see stefan urquelle needed to see that i had i had more range than that. um, and and it really, really did save my life so i want to play for everyone, to remind people i always think about the white suit and stefan urkel listen to this. hey

oh steve steve who steve urkel you know. >> no, no, no no there is no steve here i'm stefan, sweet thing stefan urkel i love it. >> i remember watching this when this actually came out. i'm still smiling because my me and my friends talked about it the next day jim o'neill. >> but again, that's laura. that's the time that we will never be able to revisit again in american history. because when you saw it, what did you do? you hopped on the phone and you started calling everybody and guess what? all the phone

lines lit up after that. it's so hard to create programing like that in this day and age. that will trigger someone like yourself at your tender age, calling your friends to be like girl are you watching this? >> but you said it saved your life. if you know at that point, especially the timing of it and the frankly, the stereotypes some positive others negative, i mean, you went from being, you know, the noted nerd and genius to somebody who was smooth and had the debonair qualities where did that come from? was that you initiating that because you wanted to show range, or was that the network saying, we got to see more? >> no, i can't even give the network credit. david klein my former executive producer and and our writing staff, you know they always saw more of me than i saw in myself. and the highest compliment david ever paid to me as our head writer was, gee, i can give you anything and you and you pull it off in four days of rehearsal um, so it was by the

grace of god, really, that that their own creative juices went in this direction and, and ultimately for a lot of women like yourself, you know you got a chance to see the real me or something closer to the real me. and i didn't even think it would be entertaining. so, you know i'm happy to have been wrong. >> you were wrong. it was very entertaining. still is jaleel, let me ask you though, on this, it was considered a crossover success. of course, both black and white audiences loved it. at a time when you really had people almost having a segregated watching experience of the shows they selected and leaned into and appreciated. what was it like straddling that line, especially when the writers room at that time was mostly white and male you know, i think that's the thing that presented the greatest obstacle for me going forward in my career. >> i was used to a white budget. i was used to a certain level of professionalism. i was used to a certain platform that

was as big as abc. on an at 8:00 on a friday night, and suddenly when that show was done, i, you know, i kind of got reduced to a smaller platform and less budget and, oh, you know we're going to put you in an urban box and it's like, what does that mean when i've been able to do a show that that translates all the way to italy and australia and germany and spain and france, and i'm like, i'm looking at the checks come in from these places so suddenly the bean counters are seeing my value differently. >> what was that like going from, you know having this tgif experience to having to fight as an adult who's still very much into production, still an actor still wanting to be a part of and still obviously a host now and continued success. what has it been like that transition post 21? >> it was a real, real, real personal challenge that really forced me to look within to avoid being bitter and jaded. at the end of the day i've been

afforded an incredible life. i love inspiring people and the thing i'm actually most proud of with family matters is how well the show has traveled around the globe, so i've just always known in my heart that god will continue to get me back to that where i can affect people from all walks of life no matter what color they are. um, yeah and that's a tough thing to pull off in tv these days where they just want to kind of keep you in a box with one. what's your target audience? i'm like, man i don't have a target audience, man. that's not i'm here to affect people in the world that's a beautiful incentive to continue to create art and i appreciate that so much. >> i love it, and i'm so loved talking to you. the book is phenomenal. it's called growing up. i did not spoil everything for everyone. it is a really great read to get to know you in this way. thank you laura, you rock hey, thanks for watching. happy thanksgiving to each and every one of you. anderson cooper 360 is next watch cnn's coverage of

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