complete green light permission for that to be explored. >> you talk about this band a lot. then you go, oh wait a minute, you can't talk about the 90s without this one. oh, and this one and this one and this one where there's so many monumental bands. one after another that's the 90s. so take the photographs and still frames in your mind hanging on a shelf in good health and good time. >> that is a memories and dead skin on trial for what it's worth, it was worth all the while. it's something unpredictable but in the end is right. i hope you at the time of your life

don't touch that dial we're about to flip it for you in five, four, three, two. >> tv is changing dramatically now with 150 channels. that might be available in the near future. >> there's a lot of things that we do that you couldn't have on network television. >> people are really trying to do something adventurous. channel seven. >> shame on you. >> this is more a celebration of culture and opening the doors and allowing america to come on inside. >> there's always something on television and some of it may be better than we deserve that was cool

isten to it. >> oh, they know when it hits the bottom, it'll be 1990. goodbye to the 80s in nine. eight. eight. >> eight. will this horrible year never end? >> when the 90s began? we're starting to see a lot of experimentation five. four. >> three. two. one. >> and the simpsons, i think, in some senses, was inspired by not necessarily a hatred of television, but a distrust of a

lot of the ways in which television was talking to us. >> tv respects me. it laughs with me not at me. >> you stupid don't. >> i think the sitcoms of the 80s. >> i love you guys were such a sort of warm, safe humor you see, the kids, they listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage. >> and i think there was a real yearning for another type of humor we were able to spoof fatherhood. >> what a bad father. >> which at the time, and i stress at the time, was bill cosby as the shining example. did you ever know that you're my hero? >> the stuff they got away with because it's a cartoon. the father strangling

the child. >> are you okay? yeah we are going to keep on trying to strengthen the american family, to make american families a lot more like the waltons and a lot less like the simpsons. >> huh? >> we go to a completely bizarre period of time in 1992, when a sitting president is raging against a sitcom dad they have dealt with politics. >> they have dealt with popular culture. they have dealt with all kinds of issues of racism, of sexism. don't ask me i'm just a girl right on. >> say it sister. it's not funny. >> bart. >> millions of girls will grow up thinking that this is the right way to act. >> they have found a way to talk about everything that's going on in our lives. through the filter of the simpsons. >> them immigrants, they want all the benefits of living in springfield but they ain't even bothered to learn themselves the language. >> yeah, those are exactly my

sentiments. yo, why the dope? >> i think one of the governing things that's happening with the simpsons is a distrust of anyone who tells us that we should trust them and doesn't earn that trust. >> and i'll take that statue of justice too. >> sold. and when they make fun of how fox works, you are watching fox. >> we are watching fox. >> they're telling you, don't trust us either. >> eat my shorts. >> all right, i'll eat. eat your shorts. >> the simpsons is like shakespeare in the sense that we quote the simpsons all the time, very often without even knowing it. >> excellent. >> i wish i could create something that culturally indelible. it's unlike anything else tv has ever wrought twin peaks showed up out of nowhere at the beginning of the decade, and the pilot episode of that was one of the strangest and most

exciting things i've ever seen. >> diane, i'm at the twin peaks county morgue with the body of the victim what's her name? sarah palmer it was incredible. >> i mean, just how slowly in the beginning, the news spread around this little town that this young, beautiful girl had died and that haunting music was so dark and so beautiful in some yossi sariel is going to come back in style what on earth is essentially a art film doing in prime time television? >> american network television has long been considered the home of the blands the cautious

and the predictable. so it was with some trepidation that the abc network recently launched a new series that was none of those things. twin peaks has already been described by one critic as the series that will change tv. it's directed by david lynch. >> david lynch was a filmmaker known for his taste in the eccentric and memorable the idea that he would do network television in the 90s was crazy. do you watch much of it? >> well, i like the idea of television, but i'm too busy to see very much of it. >> and i. what do you think of that? which you do see on television? >> well some of it i you know, i really enjoy. are you being diplomatic sort of the beautiful thing about television is you have the chance to do a continuing story. and that's the main reason, you know, for doing it. >> i think that twin peaks, with the initial attention that

it got allowed all the other networks to say let's do something different what was interesting about northern exposure was an odd sort of universe that this guy was dropped into the day's coming, and it ain't going to be long when you ain't even going to have to leave your living room no more. >> schools no more bodegas, no more tabernacles, no more cineplexes. all right. you're going to snuggle up to your fiber optics, baby and bliss out. >> you also had experimentation that set the stage for a lot of what came later it's kind of hard to pin down what exactly the x-files is. >> i mean, on the surface, it's a show about investigating paranormal activities unidentified flying objects i think that fits the description pretty well. >> tell me i'm crazy. mulder you're crazy. >> that dynamic, that. that dramatic tension of of believer versus

skeptic is one of the engines of the show. and you were always seeing it from a specific point of view they're equals. >> yeah absolutely. yeah. they're equals. and in a way they've kind of switched gender stereotypes because the character i play, mulder, is the intuitive one. >> the large intestine and scully is the rationalist, the doctor. >> a lot of folks who enjoyed the x-files who otherwise didn't watch tv might have been drawn to the show by its, for lack of a better way to put it, its stick it to the man ethos and said don't trust the government, don't trust big business, don't trust anybody. but yourself and your friends and family. i guess it's a message that's somewhat dark and cynical but was kind of a breath of fresh air in the early 90s. >> the 90s was a time of conspiracies and the internet was starting to spread beyond, just like hardcore computer users. so you could have message boards and usenet

newsgroups and everybody wanted to talk about the black oil and the bees and mulder's sister and what the cigarette smoking man was up to. and i would go to aoltv dot the x files, and people were so nuts for this show. >> it's just pure science fiction. and that's probably what i like most about it. >> the x-files changed the way people watch television. you could sense these successful creators trying to see how they could do things different than they had done 5 or 10 years ago. sometimes that led to really challenging network television. that was cool and fun to watch. and sometimes it just seemed to fall off the edge a little bit. let's be careful out there at the time, steven bochco was a very successful producer of our dramas and wanted to try something brand new. >> this is the police. >> we have a warrant for your arrest. 10s. come on, come on.

>> and so his idea was to combine a gritty cop show with a broadway musical i saw one in which a bunch of were in jail, and they began to sing life in the hood. >> ain't no pizza pie. everybody die when the bullets fly. life in the hood ain't no piece of pie anybody can die when the bullets fly. and i said, wait a minute. hold on, wait a minute and i thought, well, this is it. >> this is going to be great. this is going to be as innovative as anything i've ever done. he's guilty. judge he's guilty. >> you could see it in his eyes. he did the crime, and now he's got to pay i mean, it's just it's circled the drain i will give credit to anybody who goes outside the box and swings really hard for the fences. >> i worked real hard, and i

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hard sell in the 90s. what we realized is advertisers would pay premiums for college educated young adults 18 to 49, and we started reinventing nbc and trying to speak to that audience. >> where is someone i'm starving. i think this is him right here oh, is there a table ready the chinese restaurant was one of the very, very early episodes of seinfeld and truly nothing happened in the episode. >> they were waiting for a table. >> i feel like just walking over there and taking some food off of somebody's plate. >> we said to larry david hey, like nothing happens. and larry was offended he was like wildly offended nbc believed in the show, so they said, they said, we're committing to four episodes. >> yes yeah, right. >> four episodes, four episodes. normally it's 13 or 8 or something. >> yes. at least. so we didn't

really think that they had too much confidence in the show. >> we didn't think it would work, but we felt that they had to go through their process and they would learn and ultimately they knew better than we did. >> my mother caught me, caught you doing what? you know i was alone the turning point for seinfeld from like, nice show that all the cool people kind of know about, but that's it to massive hit was the episode called the contest where they try to abstain from self-pleasure for as long as possible. >> yeah 630 time for your bath george, i'm hungry hang on ma, hang on once you do 30 minutes

on masturbation you could pretty much get away with anything. well, i guess you'll be going back to that hospital. >> well, my mother jerry but are you still master of your domain? i am king of the county. >> the week after that aired, people were talking about that in the workplace the entire week. >> they still are talking about 52 seconds. and two of the greatest words in sitcom history. i'm out one of the shorthand descriptions of seinfeld is, you know, no hugs, no lessons. >> let's push it a little further than it's ever been pushed before what's the matter with you? >> i think the big breakthrough of seinfeld was that the characters were not nice people someone help! >> shut up, you old pigs! they were narcissistic no lady likes to say that they would screw each other over at the drop of a hat. >> he's just a dentist.

>> yeah, and you're an anti-dentite and yet be best friends the next week when you wish upon we don't have to love him. >> we just have to laugh at them. >> i'm really sorry i was in the pool. >> i was in the pool. >> the idea of a character with darker tendencies fire that was so taboo in television comedy oh, wait. >> are you about done? well, i'm just getting warmed up we're in the confines of network tv with commercials, with still a lot of things that are very highly structured and yet we were able to find ways of pushing those boundaries. no soup for you it took us to a new level of comedy, and it kind of defined

like, yeah nbc thursday night this show expect the unexpected. >> can you sing the theme song from cheers cheers? >> yeah. how does it start making your way in the world today? oh, i can't go ahead. >> go ahead, go ahead, go on i know, i know, but it's cute. >> come on, just sing it takes everything you got. >> taking a break from all your worries sure can help a lot, wouldn't you like to get away sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name. >> we decided to end cheers in the 11th year and over 93 million people watched the finale of cheers. but it's a sad experience for everybody. oh, man this was our baby for 11 years and we're not going to be around these people every day. >> you people are as dear to me as my own family. >> we had been serving fake suds forever. it was time for everybody to sip in fact, i was sipping along with them time goes by so fast people move in

and out of your life. >> you must never miss an opportunity to tell these people how much they mean to you we had been through so much together. you spend that much time with the same set of people, it does become your family. >> i feel pretty lucky to have the friends i do. >> i think the legacy of cheers is our need to belong, and i think that's what we as americans are longing for. >> thank you guys. >> the final scene of cheers was really what was sam's real first love. >> you can never be unfaithful to your one true love i'm the luckiest son of a on earth and his real first love was the bar sorry we're closed

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hall has fired his talk show for the mtv generation into a contender for the crown of late night television yes, yes now, how come how come i didn't hear all that woofing going on when i would watch too many white people johnny was the big dog, but i knew everybody on the planet wasn't watching him. and it dawned on me that i could go many weeks and not see a motown group on the tonight show. >> arsenio hall has been dubbed the prince of late night. >> there was a whole world of talent that had never and would never have been on any late night show, sitting at home watching arsenio hall, two live crew came on and sang me so horny. i me so horny like i never. it was like the sex pistols. i'd never seen anything like it. it was an explosion in the audience he

appealed to a black and white young audience and it was a much broader appeal than the powers that be uh, had estimated. rap. >> rap is real big. >> uh among our teens that's poetry. the ghetto having maya angelou on. >> i mean, where would you have seen her otherwise? >> paul laurence dunbar in 1892 wrote a poem called a love song. it said seen my lady home last night. jump back, honey, jump back. held her hand and squeezed it tight. jump back honey jump back. >> he didn't just have black people on his show but if you were hip, you wanted to be on arsenio. >> this is something that i heard a political analyst talking about recently. he said, you kind of were. i use the word chilling out. he said you were pulling back a little bit. you've been instructed not to say as much or be as outspoken no, i don't i've heard that, but i never know

who says it. >> i think it's wishful thinking on the part of some people guess who suggested to bill to do the arsenio hall show? >> if you want to get a younger demo hill dog he attracted a lot of people who weren't fans before that night the 90s was a glorious moment for black television because you saw these representations that you'd never seen before but the premise of the fresh prince was this kid comes from philadelphia in west philadelphia born and raised on the playground is where i spent most of my days. >> his mom says, i'm going to send you to live with your uncle. he shows up at this mansion in bel-air. baseball cap on backward, like he

doesn't even know how to act in this environment the black producers and directors and writers were always playing with this kind of subverting expectations of what is blackness the incredible work of the fresh prince at its most triumphant was when it was showing the ways that being black is always going to be a problem no matter what vehicle registration please. >> just a segue, but the thing is, officer, this isn't my car there's the episode i remember where they get pulled over in a car. >> what he's going to tell us to get out of the car. >> you watch too much tv will get out of the car. >> they have an interaction with the police officer that is horrible and racist in a lot of ways in carlton has this epiphany about how money won't save him. >> no map is going to save you, and neither is your glee club

or your fancy bel-air address or who your daddy is. because when you're driving in a nice car in a strange neighborhood none of that matters. they only see one thing the writers of the fresh prince of bel-air had a really hard task to approach these topics with nuance and we're doing it at a clip that was way ahead of their time. >> now don't touch that dial we're about to flip it for you to one of this year's most talked about tv shows. it is as they say, on another network fox. do what you wanna do in living color ladies and gentlemen, keenen ivory wayans in living color was the first show that was created by written by directed by, and starring an african-american. >> all of those things in one. >> this is more a celebration of culture and exchange you know, us sort of opening the doors and allowing america to come on inside. >> yo yo yo are you bad bargain hunters out there welcome to the homeboy shopping network.

>> a lot of what they did on in living color was trying to take the stereotypes or the misperceptions about what black men are and turn them upside down not only will you get like all the cable stations out there, but you'll be able to talk directly to the astronauts it brought this smart, very controversial comedy that black folks had never seen before that centered around their life experiences. >> who are you i am the minister louis farrakhan african americans compose 25% of fox's market. >> i always get trapped in a corner with somebody named bob. hey, listen, martin i just saw boyz n the hood all right i didn't know martin. >> i didn't know, and they knew that they needed to capture this audience to grow. >> well, i guess you think you're smart and cool, but if you think you're getting a job

here, you're a fool. now get up out my heart. >> so they basically gave the black creators freedom to, you know, do whatever you want. just get the audience on the double dubba dubba dubba wb, the wb and upn took that concept from fox. >> your shoulders are hotter than cheap breast implants. >> going after this underserved audience of urban minority viewers, and really ran with it. >> i'm a new millennium woman who will not be defined by traditional female roles okay, a lot of the networks built themselves up partially on african-american viewers. >> take it to the east take it to the west. >> the african-american shows indexed lower in terms of household income so over the course of the decade, the network started to move away from those shows. >> i don't know about you people but i'll be if i'm going to let them destroy my neighborhood black creators felt used and abused you made your money you know.

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programing for cable, but they were airing movies so we needed to compete. >> and i felt that if we didn't, we were going to you know, kind of get swept out oh yes, son of a. and so i came up with the notion of doing a cop show that was r-rated when abc's broadcast standards read our script, they went berserk oh i was sitting with a pad and a pencil drawing pictures of breasts to try to show them what what we would show and what we wouldn't show. i had grown ups sitting in a room, you know doodling. then we started on a language. >> we heard some reporter called a low life turd pimp with the brains of a flea and a balls of a moth. >> the program premiered with an advertising boycott. channel seven, shame on you but it was such an immediate hit that boycott lasted four

weeks. come on, line them up they could use the nudity and the curse words to go deeper into the actual emotional burden of being a cop i'm an i'm a i'm an and it had the character andy sipowicz he's a raging alcoholic, racist sexist, violent he created the tv anti-hero. >> you know, i know that great african-american george washington carver discovered the peanut, but can you provide names and addresses of these friends? >> you know you're a racist scumbag despite his flaws, despite his prejudices. >> i think people identified with his pain i wish there was a way to say this that wouldn't hurt you, mr. winds, there's a famous early episode where they're investigating the rape and murder of a young boy and they find a homeless child molester who murdered the kid and sipowitz to get the confession has to be, like, very sensitive and very good cop.

>> i know this has got to be tearing you up inside but you're going to feel a lot better if you just tell the truth. >> you can sort of see on dennis franz's face this is killing him to not like destroy this guy right now. and finally he gets the confession. he gets a signed statement. he walks out of the room, he goes to another interrogation room, and he breaks the door in two with his fists and i'm choking up, talking about it right now because, like, that's how great a moment of tv that it is 20 years from now, the best tv dramas. >> what do they look like? >> i don't know, i don't i don't know whether they be bolder than what we see today. oh assuredly, assuredly they will be the 90s gave us several shows that didn't really explode in the ratings but were very influential to other people making television homicide is one of them. >> show me with questions all night. >> i'm living in a danger zone. >> homicide life on the street

was really innovative in terms of its style. it used music in ways that advance the narrative, and it also used feature film directors that brought a look and style to the show. that really stood out on television. >> tears coming out of your eyes there ain't no tears coming from my eyes. >> his eyes are brimming with tears. >> they had so many african american characters in the cast that on several occasions, they were the only people on camera interacting with one another, and that sounds like so. but as late as the 90s, that wasn't done on television. >> when a cop shoots somebody, he stands by it. >> he picks up the radio mic and he calls it in. he stands by the body. if not cops are no better than anybody else. >> in the 90s, television was getting more complicated. stories were starting to become more episodic. characters were starting to develop and change. none of that happened on law and order this was a show that completely delivered on its formula every time you get a

crime, let's roll. >> you got the investigation into the crime. >> you better be packing more than a dirty mouth. >> you got an arrest. >> what's the charge? hey i'm asking you a question. what's the charge? >> yeah, there's no charge. this one's on us and then you had a trial he's badgering, your honor. >> sit down and shut up. >> mr. feynman overruled. >> and you will address the court from now on. >> mr. mccoy so every time you watched, you got what you came for. >> tell me, doctor all those women you ran through your examination rooms do you remember their faces or did you not even bother to look up you had in law and order the kinds of characters that people take to heart. >> let you take lunch one time, offer and if you're an actor and you say, well, gee, you know maybe, maybe it's not really such a bad medium after all miranda bartolomeo, the supreme court's decision, the whole thing was illegally obtained. >> they were both represented by counsel.

>> you just get hooked in it's life and death and stuff. >> we know what you did, counsel. >> you hear me? ryan do you hear me? >> i don't have your client. do you hear me? look at me. do you hear me? >> chris swonger law and order was like crack you'd have to sit and watch me for 50 minutes. >> just like not moving. barely breathing. >> there are times i've almost passed out watching law and order hey, you gotta get over here. >> i need your help anjara had originally been written as a movie for steven spielberg to direct and so we had this two hour piece, which was a reflection of of michael's experiences as a medical student. >> he was an angiocath with a 16 needle. >> you need a large bore in case they're bleeding and you need to transfuse them. do you know how to start an iv? uh, actually no. >> e.r. is a hospital show but it's really an action movie this way, this way. >> green walking wounded. >> yellow.

>> urgent, red critical and black d.o.a.. got it, got it. >> a gurney comes in. people are shouting instructions climbing up onto the body. and like doing cpr. and suddenly they're racing off to the surgical suite. that gurney out of there, someone wanders in, they're tossing around medical jargon cbc type, and hold two units. they don't stop to explain what it is. you prep for a peritoneal lavage. i think i know what that is now, but only because i watched a lot of e.r. over the years. >> he did plural of ij. >> you can try, but i don't think his heart would take it. >> will you bypass him and warm his blood directly that'd be the fastest way. what do you think? >> you're the attending. >> there was so much information coming at you that i think it made the experience feel as if you had to watch it. in the same way that you would watch a film that you had to stay involved in it the whole time. come on, ben, you can make. >> hold on buddy, hold on. >> there was a lot of research that said that people didn't want to watch anybody have anything other than a happy outcome. >> it's not flatline. it's fine v-fib another seven megs epi we argued that that wasn't really

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broadcasting time to public service. but in 1990s, journalism in the country changed a great deal. you couldn't talk about public service. it was what are the ratings going to be? what are the demographics going to be? what is the profit going to be? well sensationalism sells in a plea bargain, 18 year old amy fisher got up to 15 years in prison for shooting the wife of her alleged lover. >> so intense is the interest in this case that there are three three made for tv movies now in the works about it. >> you make money off sex, you make money off death, you make money off crime. >> the press calls the case the beverly hills mansion murders, and the story reads like one of the unsold scripts that circulate here in hollywood. >> we enter into the world of the television news soap opera, a story of basic instincts, anger and fear. >> i was scared and i just wanted him to leave me alone. >> and so broadcast journalism

loses its purity, and it becomes much more shoddy sensationalistic, and then it all comes together with o.j. simpson i'm larry carol in los angeles. >> the los angeles county district attorney has just filed murder charges against orenthal james o.j. simpson. >> okay, i'm going to have to interrupt this call, i understand. we're going to go to a live picture in los angeles. police believe that that o.j. simpson is in that car. >> the o.j. simpson story starts with the chase and then goes on to his arrest. >> and then culminates with the trial, which goes on and on and on and is televised day after day after day. >> this is going to be a long trial. >> there's a lot of evidence to come in the o.j. simpson case was such a national phenomenon that those of us who were covering it just live this case 24 hours a day, because there was so much demand for people talking about it. >> as simpson struggled to

slide the gloves onto his hands and turn toward jurors, saying they're too small prosecutors were incensed the trial was on television during the hours that had traditionally been the time for soap operas. >> he appears to have pulled the gloves on council and o.j. was very much a soap opera. >> he was impeached by his own witness. >> if you put a stop to it, either put cordoba on the stand stop her from stand up and speak when you're. >> it's your turn. >> no question that the best tv show of the 90s was the o.j. simpson trial. and everybody on it was riveting. >> nbc news in depth tonight, the simpson trial finally winding to a close we, the jury in the above entitled action, find the defendant or orenthal james simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal code section 187 a. >> the verdict of the o.j. simpson trial, viewed by 150 million people. it's more people than watch presidential

election returns that's crazy, because there was trial footage every day. >> cnn saw its audience increase like five times the success of cnn was not lost on other people. and so there were competing forces coming into play. >> how delighted i am that we've now reached this moment when we can firmly announce the starting of a fox news channel unfortunately, with with cable news and the ability or the need to be on the air 24 over seven where you're trying to get as many eyeballs as possible at one time to gravitate toward those stories that are sensational. >> you know, it brought us the ability to go to far is the jonbenet ramsey murder investigation turning into a media circus? >> yes, it's tabloid, but on the other hand, it's a tabloid era. and here's the point. here's where the fear comes

into it. i think, larry, it's the fear that says, gosh, if we don't cover it big time, our competition is. and when they cover it big time, they're going to get a big jump in the ratings and the first thing is to last, if we're going to last, if we're going to survive, we've got to do it. >> well you also see is a whole army of commentators people who make their business talking about the news. >> what i say is what we should do is we should bomb his capability of producing oil, take out his refineries, his stations, his wealth have any capability of producing certainly selling a lot of oil to the networks were doing good journalism, but they became much more preoccupied by profits. >> it's much cheaper to have someone in your studio pontificating than to have reporters out in the field reporting. >> i don't know if any of this is true, but what i've heard is that the father went down opened this basement room which the fbi had bypassed every single sentence on, on cnn, perhaps on cnbc, on fox, on

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tv is changing dramatically now with 150 channels that might be available in the near future, there are more choices than ever before, and it's a tough job. >> you have to try and get a sense of what is the audience going to really make an attachment to in the 90s, cable was coming on strong, so we had to examine who are we going to be? well we wanted to be smart sophisticated comedy. >> six months ago, i was living in boston. my wife had left me, which was very painful. then she came back to me which was excruciating. >> well, you know, i thought frasier was dead with cheers but we thought we've got a built in audience and great potential for you know, building out the character to another place.

>> no frasier was kind of like one act plays mother and i moved here when i was a small boy. >> after the tragic death of my father i kept the pain of that loss buried deep within me like a serpent coiled within a damp cave. >> okay. that's it. >> we always assumed the audience was smarter than most other people did and we played to that. she is just unschooled, like eliza doolittle. >> are you finding the right henry higgins? >> she'll be ready for a ball in no time leave it to you to put the pig back in pygmalion. >> thank you. >> kelsey grammer played pomposity like nobody you've ever seen. and got huge laughs. >> so considered a move until my fingers have completely cleared the piece. >> well, what's taking so long? >> i am analyzing my options unlike your winged approach. >> i like to plan a strategy like a general leading his troops into battle

checkmate schwarzkopf i think frasier probably stands as the single most successful spin off, at least in the history of sitcoms. >> and the emmy goes to frasier. >> frasier. >> frasier we were lightning hot and it was critical for us to be leading the way, not just following your friends is about that time in your life when your friends are your family when david crane and i lived in new york, we were part of a group of six people. >> we were all attached at the hip, and we went everywhere together and celebrated everything together oh and there's that period where you're looking to be out there on your own, and the people you rely on are the ones who live

down the hall. >> here we go. pivot pivot pivot pivot pivot pivot. >> shut up. shut up, shut up. >> friends permeated the culture in a way that was really special. everybody was obsessed with this show and it became like. which one of these characters are you? if you were a girl? were you phoebe, monica or rachel? no, i gotta tell you, this really does put me in a better mood. >> the kids who were watching the young audience five, six, seven, eight saw a lifestyle that was aspirational i wish i had an apartment in new york city that no one seems to be worried about. >> the rent for i wish that i looked like matt leblanc. >> i wish that i had jennifer aniston's hair. >> one of the things that made friends a phenomenon was that people beyond the laughs

actually bonded with these characters. >> they emotionally were invested in ross and rachel's relationship could not have done this without you okay um. uh, more clothes in the dryer. oh i was dropping my daughter off for sunday school at our temple. >> and literally my rabbi stopped me and said, what's going to happen with ross and rachel tonight? >> oh, thanks. >> the one with the prom video is one of my favorites. >> you guys we don't have to watch this. >> yeah, we do where's chip? >> why isn't he here yet? >> he'll be here. okay. take a chill pill. >> this seemed like a really surprising way to get rachel to know how ross feels. >> i can't go to my own prom without a date. take her. you could wear my tux. dan, she wouldn't want to go with me.

>> she's learning something new, and he thinks oh, god, please don't let her see this. please don't let her see this. >> rachel, ready or not, here comes your knight in shining. oh no. by the dheisheh camp oh dear. >> ross sees himself and you see that look on his face. and how sad he is because he wanted to take her to the prom when she crossed the room, i still kind of get chills from it. >> when she crossed the room and gave him that kiss the audience went insane at the height of must see tv thursday nights on nbc, 75 million americans watched thursday night.

>> that was at the time, one third of the country. >> ooh. >> what is this stuff? >> the sweater. it's angora. >> well, it's wonderful. >> the machine that was nbc in the 90s for comedy was untouchable. >> you're not from around here, are you? >> it generated so much viewership and money and awards. >> we do not need this at the top of our wedding cake. >> why not? it's not a scrapbook. it's a freezer. no. >> we kind of all were part of, i think this chapter in television where we realized we were in the right place at the right time. >> let's see how you like this naughty boy whoa, whoa whoa. >> we certainly associate nbc of the 90s with having extremely successful sitcoms, but they weren't the only network that found their way to having some success tgif was on abc on friday, and it was their block of family oriented

comedies. i can't take it. >> i need that cake. oh michelle. michelle. >> it was not sophisticated television but these were shows that people adored oh cbs. cbs was in a really bad spot. they had just fallen apart over the early part of the 90s, and they'd gone through a couple of different network executives who but then suddenly they had this hit with an unknown comic. this was the era of seinfeld. no hugging, no learning and this was a show being made as if it was produced in the era of the dick van dike show i love you. there was hugging. there was learning. >> i love you, son. >> all right. if you worked for me, your job was to go home get in a fight with your wife and come back in and tell me about it. >> don't sleep on the couch. i just cleaned down there.

>> in fact, the pilot i put in this true thing that happened to me wherein i sent my parents a gift for the holidays of the fruit of the month club. >> did you know you sent me a box of pears? yeah, from a place called fruit of the month. >> that's right, that's right. how are they? >> and my mother reacted as if i had sent her a box of heads from a murderer. >> why did you do this to me god, i can't talk to so much fruit in the house oh, god. >> is happening. >> what do you think we are, invalids. we can't go out and get our own fruit. i tried to tell him all right. >> i'm canceling the fruit club. >> the real story is where the real connection with your audience is thank god all your families are crazy, too looks like you got the whole family together yeah, yeah. >> it's dysfunction palooza

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was a great time to take a bow and say thank you and good night. >> 30 years is enough. >> you know it's a good time to get out while you're still on top of your game plan. >> johnny carson, retiring in the early 90s, was the great moment where a huge chunk of the ice shelf breaks off something that has been there for centuries, for thousands of years suddenly is no longer there. >> it's tremendous. >> part of history, and that's lovely to have made your mark on an era like that. >> johnny had told no one what he planned to do, and we weren't prepared and that set off a game of musical chairs for who would get the throne and there only was one late night throne. hi you guys. >> jay leno had been pretty much carson's regular substitute host when he went on vacation. >> you know what's amazing now? >> this is true only six months ago, people were talking about donald trump as a presidential

candidate, right? that's true. now, since then, he's had an affair he's left his wife, he's run up a debt of several million dollars. so i guess he's going to be running as a democrat, huh jay leno wanted to essentially just continue doing a johnny carson type show, and david letterman was the show immediately following carson. >> and they had different styles. >> what is your name? >> i'm going to ask you to turn the cameras off, please. >> okay. we just wanted to drop off this basket of fruit. >> part of dave's thing used to always be attacking authority. he liked that. >> but the cameras. >> please. >> he needed a corporate bad guy to go up against. i was oftentimes that target. >> i hear this this warren littlefield guy whining all year long about not getting his name on the card. >> last year. >> so he's. well, what about look, what about me? >> just put her on there. me? i can be on there. >> couldn't i? >> who is it? >> it was always letterman's dream to be the host of the tonight show. he idolized johnny carson, rightfully so. >> the big decision that's had

the entertainment industry buzzing is due this week that, of course, is the fate of nbc's late night stars jay leno and david letterman. >> most of us thought the person who deserved to get it was david letterman. he didn't get it jay leno got it. >> leno who earlier rode his motorcycle into a news conference hosted by nbc entertainment president warren littlefield, still has a bruised ego about the way the network wavered in its support for him. >> when we found out that leno was going to get the tonight show, we were all obviously depressed. >> we felt like we were being punished for making fun of them and not cooperating and not being as collaborative as we could have been. >> uh and we also felt like we were being disrespected because we did 11 years of great shows just how off are you

by all rights david letterman should have taken over for johnny carson. >> but his agent took a very, very aggressive stand. we're going to really control all of the late night um, it's going to cost you a fortune and they put our backs to the wall. >> i can only tell you that it has been an honor and a privilege to come into your homes all these years and entertain you. >> and i hope when i find something that i want to do. and i think you will like and come back, that you'll be as gracious, inviting me into your home as you have been, i bid you a very heartfelt good night the tonight show without johnny carson as the regular host, made its debut last night. >> jay leno emerged from behind the curtain, stepping into the big shoes that were filled for 30 years by johnny. >> cbs came to us and made a very attractive offer. >> here we go. number ten head, cbs. tails, cbs, number nine. >> letterman did place a call to johnny carson asking for his

advice and johnny said, if it was me, i would leave. and i think that advice was really the the linchpin. letterman always took johnny's advice. >> the late night wars were about to begin in earnest on american television. david letterman is now headed for cbs. >> cbs had lured him over with a salary more than four times that of leno and given him what he really wanted. >> the 1130 time slot. >> now, as dave and jay prepare to go head to head, one thing is clear. late night tv will never be quite the same. >> all of a sudden there's a talk show war. >> start up your remote controls. >> the late night race is about to begin on monday, david letterman's new show debuts here on cbs followed a week later by chevy chase on fox. and a week after that by conan o'brien on nbc. these combatants join the tonight show with jay leno, arsenio and

nightline. >> it became a crowded space, and the competition became that much more difficult. >> in the third quarter, his ratings fading rapidly. >> arsenio hall, some tv writers think that arsenio could be the big loser in this free for all when letterman came in essentially diluted arsenio's brand because there were so many alternatives i'm sad to see you go because america is going to have a big chunk missing out of its existence losing arsenio yeah, it was bad. >> he was the lone voice gone david letterman had the suits at nbc pausing for a moment. did we make the right choice? because he came out gangbusters and he was beating jay leno in the ratings. >> there are some people who say you blew it, that by

picking leno to replace carson over letterman, that that was a big programing mistake. >> it was a shaky start, a really, really shaky first season start well, it's true. >> confessions time for actor hugh grant, who's trying hard to put his recent encounter with a hollywood prostitute behind him. >> when hugh grant was arrested, it was big live action news. and hugh grant was supposed to do the tonight show that night. >> what the hell were you thinking it all came together in that moment, and everyone saw it. >> and that's it. we were never number two again. hey, hey for us, it was the fun experience. >> hey, we got our own theater. we got an unlimited budget. we've got access to every star in the business who wants to do the show? >> somebody bring me the jaws of life. >> so i think going to cbs was heaven sent.

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clues don't you know cartoons will ruin your mind. >> ren and stimpy had some very surreal high concept humor to it, and this is the beginning of the splintering of the television audience and the splintering of the family audience. really. i mean because happy, happy joy, joy with families having 3 or 4 tvs in the house, you had a kid watching nickelodeon, you had the dad watching espn sports you had the mom watching lifetime. you know they were in their own separate universes, watching television by the time of the 90s, mtv wasn't merely a music channel. >> they were having great success in terms of creating shows that incorporated music. but that also were shows and programs that stood on their own. yes that was cool. certainly beavis and butt-head sort of established what mtv could be because the show was about people making fun of music

videos just like people in the audience were doing. whoa check out his neck. >> yeah, there's like all these bones and stitches moving around. yeah. >> my manager would call me like, hey, you got this big bump because you were on beavis and butt-head last night. unable to express, i sit there just like a donut, watching these guys. >> that's what it's for and i find them endlessly entertaining because i know and you know. >> and the world knows these guys are always will be and cannot be anything but idiots. >> that's right. >> da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da. >> mtv has a detrimental, damaging developmental effect on the sexuality and on the morality and on the spirituality, on the maybe even the physical development of our young people oh now we hit the 90s and once you can go for an audience of 5

million and have a successful show, you can say, i don't care if the parents don't like this, can i tell you something, miss ellen? >> of course. >> wendy don't fk with me. >> what you heard me. stay away from my man,, or i'll whoop your sorry back to last year trey parker and matt stone were two of the funniest people i ever met, and their success story is proof that if you just stay true to yourself, you don't have to do anything else. >> people think, oh you came and did this show and now you're big sellouts. >> the truth is, i mean, we were sellouts to begin with perhaps there is no stopping the corporate machine. >> i mean, we were sleeping at friends houses, had no money, and then one fox executive had seen a cartoon we had made in college, and he said, make me another christmas video that i can send out as a christmas card. >> and, you know, he gave us like 700 bucks. and we went and made this five minute short. >> i come seeking retribution

he's come to kill you because you're jewish kyle. >> oh, it went around the tv community like wildfire yo i mean, it was the funniest thing you'd ever seen in your life go get up. >> somebody showed me the short go jesus. i thought it was hysterical, so i called and said, get them in here right away oh my god they've killed kenny. >> you south park was able to be topical. >> yes. come here, old pal saddam hussein, south park really, really detests hypocrites christians and republicans and nazis oh, my. >> well okay, mrs. cartman, i'll legalize 40th trimester abortions for you ho who could you imagine back then that these people would ever get on network television? >> or any kind of television hidey

it's a miracle south park is a miracle in the early 90s, the hbo show started to kind of come into their own. >> now, dan, have i always had these these breasts a lot of people want freedom. >> they don't want to go back to the networks, which are saying, you can come to us where you'll make more money, but you also have content restricted. you could go to cable and have no restrictions and not make as much money. but have freedom of expression, which almost everybody who works in these mediums wants some of the content truly was you can't get this anywhere else here at fantasy makers, the only limit on the kinds of fantasies is people's imagination hbo turned to people who had said, i can't do that on television, but you can do it on hbo white people don't trust

black people that's why they won't vote for no black president like a black brother will up the white house like the grass won't be cut. >> this is piled up. >> cousins running through the white house cookouts, basketball goal in the back in the late 80s, hbo was just sort of gaining ground for series by the 90s, hbo had started to begin its explosion when we started doing dream on, one of the things that hbo said to us was it's got to be something that couldn't be on network tv because hbo was driven by subscribers and not by commercials and selling advertising time they had a different way of looking at success or failure. >> what they were looking for was critical acclaim. >> you have watched letterman you've watched leno. but what about larry? larry sanders,

that is he's the tv alter ego of comedian garry shandling. >> garry shandling wanted to do a show that deconstructed the kind of show that the tonight show was just pretend like you're talking to me until we're off the air, so it won't seem weird okay. >> all right, so blah blah blah blah blah blah. >> the larry sanders show was sort of cathartic because in the world of the larry sanders show, there was a network. >> do you want me to with your budget? >> is that what you want me to do? >> so it became this weird funhouse mirror thing where you could use stuff from your misery, from your career as fodder. >> i don't take this as a threat, but i killed a man like you in korea. >> hand to hand. my boy doesn't want to do any more commercials larry sanders to me was you know, aside from being a brilliant television show, can you say, uh hey, now it was my everyday life. >> i'm here for three good reasons. >> last show, big ratings movie

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exclusively on max in the 90s, you suddenly had shows that were aiming at a young audience one of the things that really made 920 stand out is that it was one of the first dramas to really get into the teenagers point of view. >> you have protection of course that's always been my problem lots of protection, but no one to protect. >> i wanted to do a tv series that was going to be relevant to teenagers and it's not about the parents solving the kids problems, it's about the kids basically solving their own problems. >> what are we supposed to do, sit them down have a kid to parent, talk no, you can't talk to parents on that mature level. >> tragic but true if the 60s had beatlemania the 90s had 920

mania. and when tv guide had its youthquake cover that was a sign that suddenly television was focused on these young people it's what i had to do. my so-called life was like the punk rock version of 921. >> oh, it was earnest, but not at all saccharine. it didn't have easy answers. it showed teen heartbreak in a way that was staggeringly real for the time. are you like this like what like how you are. >> hey, jordan, are you coming or not? >> how am i how. how am i my so-called life was your actual life. >> and the idea of that everyone in high school is a misfit. that you have this deep insecurity about who you're supposed to be. >> you know how sometimes the last sentence you said, like, echoes in your brain, and it

just keeps sounding stupider and you have to say something else just to make it stop? oh i just remembered. i, um, i owe you $30. >> my so-called life was not necessarily the show that the cheerleader or the captain of the football team were watching. they were still watching 90,000 210, but it was the people who maybe didn't recognize themselves in 90,200 zero who felt like, aha! now i recognize myself and my so-called life. >> demarco asked me if you were getting a sex change. exactly. >> i don't want to be a girl i just want to hang with girls ricky was out on the show eventually, and that was a story line that was treated with great sensitivity that i belong nowhere with no one. >> and i don't fit i mean, it was it was so deeply felt it was saying to the viewer things that you have gone through. >> they matter buffy the

vampire slayer depicted high school in a similar way to my so-called life, except rather than just feeling like hell, it actually was hell her high school was literally built on top of hell and so all of these creatures would come up that she would have to fight 3 in 1 night. >> and it was a brilliant metaphor for adolescence and all the demons that you have to slay you know, buffy was a teenager, and she was still finding out who she was one of the story lines that was very popular and much talked about was where she has sex with her boyfriend for the first time and then in sort of the world of buffy, he becomes literally evil. >> so there must be some part of you inside that still remembers who you are. >> dream on schoolgirl. >> in order to save the world. literally, she knows that she

has to send him to hell buffy knows in an instant that angel has become good again buffy and so she has this moment of reckoning that she has to decide whether to do this or not, and she makes the sacrifice to push him back into hell the show was really working on multiple levels and in buffy in particular we saw a character that was a reluctant protagonist forced to make tough decisions. >> buffy there was a kind of opening of the floodgates in the 90s for women. >> the idea of being an ideal, i think, was kind of smashed through a lot of the characters on television. look, if you're a successful single woman in this city you have two choices. >> you can bang your head against the wall and try and

find a relationship, or you can say, screw it and just go out and have sex like a man sex and the city was a huge success right from the start. >> it was very funny and very clever and very candid. >> our relationships, the religion of the 90s, these are women who were making a good living. >> they were independent, they were single, and they were sort of feeling their power. >> i said, olive bad waiter, bad waiter. >> what do you tip for that i wanted these women to be objectifying their men in the way that men had always objectified women. >> all righty, my turn oh, sorry i have to go back to work. >> you didn't used to be able to discuss sex as sex on network shows. there never were people talking about or organs or sex okay? >> words are essential. tell me exactly how he worded it we've been seeing each other for a couple of weeks. i really like you and tomorrow night after

dinner i want us to have anal sex these were women who shared everything with each other and they were discussing what anal sex means. >> if he goes up there there's going to be a shift in power. >> either he'll have the upper hand or you will. >> and should she do this or not? >> this is a physical expression that the body was well it was designed to experience and p.s. it's fabulous what are you talking about? >> i went to smith. >> the show took an interesting turn by really focusing on the relationship between the women and telling the story of them as really soulmates together as well. >> you did the right thing buying that apartment. you love it right? yeah and you won't be alone forever historically, women are often set up in narratives in which only one can succeed, and so showing women not competing with each other and as supporting each other was also an important narrative change. okay girls, see you tomorrow. okay? okay night night.

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>> in 1991, we got a call from mtv and they were toying with the idea of doing some kind of a scripted show about young people. >> and they said it was like a mixture between the big chill and the breakfast club. >> but ultimately decided the idea of a show with writers and actors would just be too expensive for them. >> the real world i guess that's what this was supposed to be. >> so we essentially applied all the drama rules to documentary to get our what we call at that time a docu soap. >> this is the true story. true story. >> seven strangers. >> it was kind of the social experiment to kind of watch what happens when you put these strangers together in a house. >> you know, when people stop being polite and start getting real. >> do you sell drugs? >> why do you have a beeper? >> oh, you hadn't seen anything like that on television. that kind of open honest discussion of race. >> i can try as much as i can to try to deal with you, but ignorance is ignorance

stupidity is stupidity. and that's it. black. white. green. purple, blue whatever. >> the real world becomes this kind of big bang moment for reality tv, where the idea is that, oh, my god all we have to do is just take cameras and put them on people and we'll get great stuff you had in the next season in la, a young woman who gets an abortion and the camera literally goes right up to the doctor's door. >> okay, okay by the third season in san francisco, you have a young man who is dealing with aids. >> i'm hiv positive when pedro told me he was hiv positive, it was just like no, not him. >> i like this guy and i don't want him to have to suffer. >> it was such a triumph that pedro had the courage at his age to come out as someone with aids in my small gay community on campus. >> we all felt like, wow, he was our hero. >> he falls in love and he and his partner sean have a ceremony, you know, and this is long before same sex marriage

was legal. the tv shows weren't doing this movies weren't doing this. >> i have to believe that all the pain that i'm going through, that all the anger, the all the frustration that there's something bigger than that. >> aids has claimed a young man who made an enormous impact on a generation of young americans pedro zamora died in miami today at the age of 22. >> i'm really glad i got to know pedro zamora. i'm grateful that his rich and fulfilling work is still remembered today, and i hope you enjoy and learn from pedro's life of compassion and fearlessness. >> you have to really credit the real world, sort of helping the acceptance of the lgbt community, because there weren't many portrayals of gay people, period. you know, on television at that point. >> her name is marla. i'm seeing a woman in the 90s. >> gay characters were always secondary or third. there was never a gay character that was the lead of a show

so you want to go look at apartments tomorrow? >> great idea. ellen degeneres, the comedian, was about to come out as a lesbian. look, murphy i'm on the cover of time and she does it on time magazine. yep. i'm gay. but they decide that the character that ellen plays on tv will also come out. >> it is just reprehensible that abc now owned by disney of all companies, is going to feature ellen as coming out of the closet. it won't be long before god knows what you know and says who knows? >> we were getting bomb threats. disney was really getting a lot of flak for even thinking about having a coming out episode with ellen. i'm 35 years old. i'm so afraid to tell people. i mean, i just susan, i'm gay

ellen coming out was a huge moment for me personally because, you know, i was a closeted gay guy gay child at that time and it was the bravest thing i saw that felt great. that felt so great. >> initial reports suggest abc made a bundle on ellen's highly publicized outing on national tv last night. the broadcast was accompanied by coming out parties all around the country, including one in birmingham, alabama where the local abc station refused to broadcast the show. >> she did a great thing. >> she was brave. >> i made the decision that i wasn't going to live my life as a lie anymore. >> i was i belong with everybody else and that's what i finally did we used to say ellen opened the door and we

knocked it down. >> that is the sister i love. >> my mr. meow tell me lazy, tell me he's slow. >> tell me i'm crazy. maybe i know can't help lovin dat man of mine. take your jacket and a beret and a beret and souffle i'm gay yes will and grace was a great show and sort of helping a mainstream straight community connect to the gay community. i think i can fix this thing with your landlord, but i get a little ugly. >> play hardball, baby throw him low and inside he's crowding the plate and we've got to go for sports. >> you're losing me. >> i figured 25% of the country wouldn't watch the show just based on the fact that we had two gay men on it give it to me. but if we could make believe that will and grace would get together. >> well i told you, you live with a hetero long enough

you're going to catch it maybe we could get people to watch thinking that would happen, knowing it would never happen suffering. >> sappho you know, it's a shame. >> an image like this is completely wasted on us i remember the network calling every other week saying, can will just fall in love with grace and the creators were like well, that's weird. >> he's gay. that's the that gay people don't do that. that's why they're gay. um why wasn't i your girlfriend queerbait will and grace was the first time you saw characters on television that made gay normal. >> you wanted to be friends with them. >> guess what? we are, uh, a catholic girl gone bad and karen, what are you supposed to be oh, the best feeling i get is when people come up and say

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only found before in feature film. >> victory is mine victory is mine. >> great day in the morning people. victory is mine and actors no longer felt that it was a comedown to come. >> work in television. >> what did i ever do to you except deliver the sound you shouldn't have made me beg. >> the segment of the audience that showed up to watch west wing. they watched the mcneil-lehrer you know, newshour. they watched west wing and documentaries in foreign languages. right. >> if the name of this nominee is leaked out before, i want it to be leaked out. >> i'm going to blame you and you're going to find that unpleasant i got to tell you something, toby. >> you're hot when you're like, this 90s television was the first wave of what we now have remarkably specific niche programing freaks and geeks. >> really sympathized with the

losers. it had great empathy for its characters go on and laugh at me cause you don't see that i got something going right here. >> freaks and geeks breaks my heart every time i think about it. oh i'm sorry, did i crush your twinkies? it lasted 18 episodes and they're perfect 18 episodes. but nbc hated it. so much. yeah, yeah. >> roll down the windows because i got a big one a brewin. oh, no please don't. >> they thought it was a show by losers about losers for losers. they hated it. they wanted no part of it. and they killed it at the end of the 90s, the jig is starting to be up for the networks. >> you know, basically quality migrates to cable oz comes on in 97 and it's set in this fictional penitentiary

wow, what a strange show that was in oz. >> sometimes the things you can't touch are more real than the things you can. for instance, fear hatred, loneliness a more real to me than a shank and a soul it was jaw droppingly violent um, and it was a men's prison it probably should be but, you know, it kind of announces the idea that hbo is going to get very serious about doing scripted dramas it's finished it's over. >> but hbo really, in my mind, comes into its own in 1999 with the sopranos you woke up this nowhere got yourself a gun the sopranos just as one of those shows that was a benchmark, had changed. >> like a lot of things for everybody throw out the handbook tony soprano, the lead

actor in a drama he killed a man. >> we watched him when he took his daughter on a college tour pretty, huh yeah, it was just a melding of a guy and a world leaving the door open. >> the door and a behavior that promoted all the feelings that you would have for a guy that you love in a guy that you hate. >> you know sopranos came on tv and it really showed us the future. >> whether we realized that was going to be the future of television or not. >> this husband of yours, carmela, how much we love him he's the best come on. >> it's like a father to me just make sure nothing happens to him. >> that character in that show was a great inspiration to a great many shows that came after it, including one that i worked on. >> you know what i want tony?

>> i want those kids to have a father they got one. this one me, tony soprano and all that comes with it. >> oh, you, the 90s is an amazing decade of tv. some of my favorite shows of all time aired in that decade, and everybody was watching them there was still that communal sense from the earlier decades of tv, but it was being applied to shows that were reaching higher and farther, and they were great because there were so many channels and because so much storytelling was going on you started to get more variety of stories being told, get the skull films, schedule a cat scan, and call the neurosurgery resident objection. >> television showed us women in their depth it began to show us much more of a range of the african american community. >> i'm always here for you we started focusing on teenagers in a more realistic way. >> things change. dawson evolve. >> what are you talking about? >> and thinking a little more outside the box in terms of what people might want to

watch. >> you're out of order. he's out of order. this whole trial is sexy. >> after ten years of the 90s, we had a whole new television world that could take us any place we wanted and even places we had never imagined was that the oven timer? >> that's right my friend. >> it's time for baywatch oh can you believe they gave stephanie skin cancer? i still can't believe they promoted her to lieutenant wow. >> you're just saying that because you're in love with yasmine bleeth well, how could anyone not be in love with yasmine bleeth hey, hey, they're running. >> see this is the brilliance of the show i say always keep them running