donald trump's next term, will be very interesting. >> i hope she doesn't shy away from from the spotlight but but on that there's it's not just world leaders looking at in terms of donald trump it's also who will he have around him helping him to to put forth and to put in place his foreign policy like his defense secretary pete hegseth, he's you well know our viewers well know he's facing a growing list of of allegations and accusations. what are you hearing from leaders and others about that pick and others? >> look, a lot of people are very concerned. the united states military is the biggest, most powerful military in the world. it's got about 3 million people under arms. it's got a budget of nearly $1 trillion. and they have, you know, it's a massive nuclear power. so everybody is concerned about that as well. the chinese military and the chinese government is angling to surpass american leadership maybe by 2030. in

their, you know, in their minds so i was talking to former us defense secretary and former republican, well, republican senator and congressman william cohen and about, for instance, pete hegseth, who's trump's nominee for defense secretary he's very concerned because of all the issues that have been, you know, put out there because hegseth is on capitol hill trying to, you know, put his his his his character and his substance to that. and you heard what merkel said about bypassing the parliamentary system. well, cohen said he has to be rigorously examined, like all of them by the senate. background checks by the fbi. and i asked him about his own experience as a senator and as a congressman during the watergate impeachment. take a listen christiane, i was trained as an attorney, a lawyer and i believe fundamentally in the rule of law. >> and it's the rule of law which separates us from autocratic or dictatorial governments. and that was

primarily on my mind during the watergate issue iran-contra. i want all of us presidents everyone beneath the president, to abide by the rule of law and respect the rule of law. and i think the party most recently, in my judgment has been more concerned about power rather than the rule of law fascinating yeah, indeed. >> there's a lot on the agenda ahead. >> yeah. it's great to see you, christiane. thanks for bringing. thank you. really appreciate it. the new hour of cnn cnn news central starts right now a big travel announcement from the trump transition as his cabinet picks face tough questions from some republicans breaking news in the case of the stowaway who managed to make it past multiple security checkpoints on a flight to paris. >> now delta is refusing to bring her back to the united states, and a musical

masterpiece. the director of the blockbuster film wicked will be here helping us in our very own news musical. sarah is out. i'm john berman with kate bolduan. this is cnn news center so we just learned this morning, the president-elect trump is heading to paris for the reopening of the notre dame cathedral. french president emmanuel macron invited trump. you just heard christiane and kate talking about this this will be his first foreign visit since winning the election obviously, world leaders are watching trump very closely, and everything from nato to ukraine to tariffs. overnight, trump posted on social media there will be hell to pay in the middle east if hamas does not release hostages from gaza before inauguration day cnn's steve contorno is with us this morning. talk about the travel plans steve yeah donald trump will join french president

macron in france in paris on saturday. >> will he will be part of the reopening of notre dame. remember, macron was the first world leader to congratulate donald trump after his victory last month. and now he is the first to get a foreign visit from president elect donald trump. and trump was quick to accept the invitation, writing on social media that macron quote, has done a wonderful job ensuring that notre dame notre dame has been restored to its full level of glory and just think about how much donald trump has already inserted himself into foreign affairs since taking office he has threatened canada and mexico with tariffs. he has invited the prime minister of canada and hosted him at mar-a-lago. he has been in a sort of dispute with the president of mexico over over trade and whether or not she agreed to stop the flow of migrants across the border he has already spoken with ukrainian president zelenskyy. he has

hosted the argentinian president at mar a lago. he has threatened to put 100% tariffs on china, russia and other countries that are considering a currency to challenge the u.s. dollar. all of this coming in just a little over almost four weeks since he won, and you can really get a sense of what his priorities are going to be on foreign affairs when he takes office in january. john. >> all right steve contorno for us, steve, thank you very much kate. >> today, embattled secretary of defense pick pete hegseth is heading back to capitol hill to meet with more senate republicans making the rounds. hegseth is trying to shore up support just as he is facing new allegations through a really scathing report of inappropriate behavior and mismanagement and mismanagement during his time when he was heading up a veterans organization. still a senior advisor to president-elect trump says the transition team is confident in his

confirmation. all of this is happening, though, as some republican senators also appear to be warming up to trump's desire. the transition team's desire to ignore the standard of putting nominees through fbi background checks. let's get the very latest on where things stand in terms of confirmation and making the rounds on capitol hill with lauren fox on capitol hill. what are you hearing from lawmakers? >> lauren yeah, this is another big day for pete hegseth who is going around capitol hill meeting with some of these senators. we saw yesterday. he met with a large number of them, including his wife, behind closed doors. and this is really an opportunity for hegseth to correct the record, to talk to senators about his past, to talk about his vision for the department of defense. but it also comes as there are republicans with a lot of questions. in fact, i talked yesterday with senator shelley moore capito. she's expected to meet with hegseth today. and we were asking her a series of questions about that

new yorker report. and specifically, you know, how he manages veterans organizations how he dealt with women and she basically said, this is something that's going to come up in her meeting with him today, and she would have more to say after it, but it just shows you, you know there are a narrow number of republicans who could stop these nominees republicans can afford to lose just a few votes. but if any more of them step out of line, then suddenly donald trump and the transition has a huge problem here. now one of the ways that they could assuage concerns on the hill is to put the nominees through these fbi background checks. here's what the incoming republican leader, john thune, said yesterday. he said, quote, my job is to make sure that the nominees have a thorough, fair process and ultimately, you know, our members will decide historically, the best place to get that done has been through the fbi. now, other republicans, including mike crapo a republican from idaho, made clear that he's going to rely on the president to make his decisions about whether or

not these nominees need to go through an fbi background check. i will tell you this, kate, if these nominees do not go through that normal and standard process, democrats are going to be calling foul. time and time again, that is going to be part of the strategy moving forward. they're just going to be reminding everyone at home this is not the normal course of business. and again, for some republicans who might have questions, those fbi background checks could go a long way to assuage concerns. >> kate surely could. lauren, thank you so much for pulling that together. let's see what happens today. and let's start right there. joining me right now is cnn political commentator and republican strategist shermichael singleton and christine quinn, executive committee chair of the new york state democratic committee. guys, let's start with that. i think i think believe i've asked this question a couple of times from to from official washington now down to strategist, strategist, new york and washington. and i'm going to ask it again christine is there any good reason to not submit any of these nominees to a background check if there's no problem, why not?

>> i agree. i mean, when you're saying don't go through the normal process, which is one that people in government and americans are used to. you're saying let's lower the standard it makes people go why? >> what's wrong with these people that they can't do what's been done forever? >> i don't understand it. >> and if you're going into an administration like trump is with not a landslide victory, right? >> it was close. you want to have everybody confident in you, believe in you. >> and this just raises questions about nominees. >> some who already have been very, very shaky with the news that's coming out like and some who have dropped out. yeah. >> and on that shermichael hearing from john thune look, he's got he is a man who is always very careful with his words and and he knows all eyeballs are on him, especially these days when thune says traditionally historically, the best way to get about all of this information. so we can have a very good vetting and we can do our jobs of advise and consent, would be through an

fbi background check i again pose to you. why not i mean, i'm looking at this from two different perspectives kate. >> the senate has the authority to advise and consent. >> they are to bring each of those nominees to a very rigorous confirmation process. >> so that they're ultimately able to decide, do they get through committee to make it to the full body of the senate from the president elect's perspective, i would just throw out the guy who's been pretty clear for months now heck, maybe even years about his skepticism and dislike of the fbi. so it really doesn't come as a big surprise to me that the president elect is saying i don't trust this body to vet the individuals that i'm nominating. this isn't necessarily mandated by law. congress could potentially attempt to do so. i doubt the courts would approve it, because i think they would obviously say that you need separation of powers. the executive has the authority to ultimately decide who he or she wants to nominate, and the senate has the authority to decide if they want to confirm those nominations. and so

that's that's how i'm looking at this. i'm not surprised, based on trump's record of saying i don't trust the fbi. and i think most of the american people wouldn't be surprised by it either. >> maybe not surprised, but add in to just like the reality check of it, anyone who's going to be working in the administration and below these cabinet members with any kind of any kind of authority, they're going to go through an fbi background check, like i've gone through. >> i mean, i was a i was an appointee in the first trump administration. i went through one. but but i'll say this, kate, the president doesn't go through an fbi check i mean, and this is the most powerful person in the country. so my point is, if you want to start somewhere, maybe start at the very top. i think the president's been very clear on why he isn't going through this traditional process i think the senate has the authority to send each of these individuals to a rigorous questioning ordeal. if they passed and ultimately they get confirmed, if they don't then they won't get confirmed. >> yeah i mean, look, i, the american people very, very clearly voted for donald trump.

the american people don't have a vote when it comes to pete hegseth and him being defense secretary. so there is not this direct correlation. i totally hear you though, on no surprise that donald trump and his team might not like might not, or wants to say they don't like background checks. let us move on then to the next where do i feel like going now? oh, i want to talk about let's talk about pete hegseth. actually lauren fox was talking about how they're making the rounds again on on capitol hill they're trying to show hegseth and others are trying to shore up support amongst republican senators because we know a just a few can completely upset a confirmation process, leaving the meetings, a meeting with hegseth yesterday, conservative republican senators came out and they gave their full throated support for him. i want to read what cynthia cynthia lummis said after the meeting. she called the accusations that hegseth is facing all of these other issues are side issues. and then she also said this. they're throwing disparaging

remarks at someone who has earned a great deal of credibility our are our soldiers, sometimes wild child. yeah, that can happen. but it is very clear that this guy is the guy who at a time when americans are losing confidence in their own military and our ability to project strength around the world, that pete hegseth is the answer to that concern, christine. >> well, there is so much wrong with her statement. >> first of all, it just reeks of well, boys will be boys. >> one why do we believe men are so bad? hold them to such a low standard. two why do we not want to protect women in general in the military, but make the military in every workplace a place that is free of sexual harassment, sexual assault, god knows, and a fair, safe place. >> that's not. that's not that is not a woke statement. it's just being it's just being not harassed at work. it's just being saying regardless of your gender, you get to go to work and no one commits a crime against you. >> and then do we need to shore

up the belief in the military? >> absolutely. >> this guy is going to do it. yes. he served his country. i did not. i thank him for that. he was honored in that service. but then he's been no offense, a news anchor. he hasn't been in the area of defense. his entire career. so just from that he's not the guy. >> but how does a guy who seems to every day have worse and worse accusations even from his own mother how is he going to engender a morale boost? >> and the american people to say, yeah, we got things under control when there are problems all over the world that are only growing. this nomination should be dropped immediately. we should bring somebody in who doesn't have a background of being against women and potentially being a criminal he's not accused of any crimes. >> so i just want to i want to make you can throw potentially around anything. >> let's just deal in fact, in reality, he has not been accused of any crimes. >> shermichael i have a final thought on that one, please. >> yeah look, i mean, anyone

can make an allegation. i think most people would say you should protect women. i would agree with that. you guys are two women. i wouldn't want any woman to make an allegation and not have that allegation at least thoroughly investigated. but with that said, i do think pete has a great background as being a soldier and the potential morale booster of having someone who wasn't necessarily a general but someone sort of lower in the field fighting with soldiers, not someone in an office sort of making strategic decisions. i think that does make a big difference to a lot of soldiers out there who have seen combat and have seen brothers and sisters in the military that they have frankly lost and so i think that that is indeed a bonus. i would also say we are having some very, very serious issues kate would try and encourage young people, particularly younger men, to consider the armed services can pete potentially increase that intrigue and that interest? i absolutely think so. let's give the guy an opportunity. he will go through the process. a lot of this reporting is out there.

senators will ask those questions, and i suspect he'll have answers to each of them. >> he can that is exactly what the confirmation process and the vetting process is. interestingly, though cnn's reporting is in the meetings of a dozen republican senators who met with yesterday, none of these allegations or accusations were brought up. just saying it's good to see you guys. thank you both very much. john, thank you. >> all right. bombshell new video shows missing woman hannah kobayashi appearing to voluntarily walk across the border into mexico. why? police now say there is no more they can do. we have breaking news on the stowaway who managed to make it past multiple security checkpoints to fly from the u.s. to france delta now refusing to bring her back to the country cnn heroes, an all star tribute meet and celebrate the honorees then find out who will be hero of the year. >> plus, a special tribute to michael j. fox, cnn heroes, an all star tribute sunday at eight on cnn.

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crossing the united states border on foot into mexico. >> cnn's julia vargas jones is in los angeles with much more on this for us tracking all of this for us julia, what are you learning? >> well, we are learning now, kate, that she was alone when she crossed that border into mexico. she had her luggage, which she took from lax, but she did not have her phone. so authorities say that the moment she left lax, she did not have her phone on her anymore. she took public transit from there to downtown l.a., and she was seen at the grove shopping mall in la. she went to a bookstore. she went to an event at the nike store and then she was seen at the greyhound station, which now they're saying from there, from that greyhound station on november 12th, she took public transportation down to the san ysidro border crossing, just just a couple of hours south of los angeles. and that's where she made that crossing into

mexico. now, something that's key that authorities are saying here is that now that this is a voluntary missing person's case, is that she is an adult, she is 30 years old and she has the right to go wherever she pleases. but they are asking, though, is for hannah to consider her family and the people that are concerned about her, saying that quote, just a simple phone call could reassure her loved ones. now the family that we spoke with both her sister, her aunt as you mentioned, and also her father before that they did show a lot of concern for her disappearance. and that's in part because of some text messages that she had sent on those days, leading up to it. so we do have that kind of a conversation, she had both with her mother and with her friends, where she said on november 11th, her last communication with people was that deep hackers wiped my identity, stole all of my funds and had me on some kind of a

mind expletive since friday, i got tricked pretty much into giving away all of my funds for someone i thought i loved. of course that being the last communication they had with hannah kobayashi that raised some concern from the family and what they're saying is that they disagree with the assessment from the lapd. they said they were kept in the dark during this investigation, and we're hopefully we'll hear some more in the coming days from them kate. >> yeah. julie. thank you very much. >> john, with us now is misty marris, trial and defense attorney. misty, thanks so much for being with us. so, so what sticks out to you here in this case, now that we have this video well, now that we have the video, it seems that law enforcement really put together a kobayashi's actions within those days. >> and what sticks out to me, the most is that law enforcement has now said that she actually requested that her luggage be returned from new

york back to lax. she purchased a bus ticket she is seen on foot with her luggage leaving the country all leading to this conclusion that she's what's called a voluntary missing person that means an individual who is missing but is gone because of their own free will. they've left on their own because she's an adult ultimately, that conclusion leaves law enforcement in a position where it's difficult for any further action to be taken. but the dichotomy between all of that, all of what's revealed in the investigation and those text messages that were sent to her family certainly understandable why her family was immediately incredibly concerned. >> is there any legal recourse the family still has? >> well, they could. so first of all, it doesn't mean that they can't continue their search even on a private basis. hire private investigators also, los angeles has now declared this to be a voluntary missing persons case, but

they're not closing the missing person's case. that means the investigation is still open. the family could also ask and put pressure on the fbi or federal investigators to get involved. to the extent that there's additional information out there that would lead to a different conclusion. and and that kobayashi could potentially be in peril. so the family could push push that further in order to continue the investigation, which at this moment is not closed. >> yeah, i was going to say because there are still questions surrounding at a minimum, the text messages that julia just reported that she sent her family. they have the suggestion of illegality. i mean, if she was deeply hacked and had information stolen and to a certain extent extorted as those texts suggest what would the authorities be investigating there? wouldn't they still be investigating that well, they could investigate potential cyber

crimes, but it could go one of two ways. >> john, on one hand, it could absolutely be cyber crimes. a hacker, some somebody using force or coercion to get her to leave the country. all of that could be potential for investigation based on those text messages. presumably there would be some form of an electronic footprint specifically with money banking, anything like that or on the flip side, it could be that these messages were sent to a certain extent to provide excuses for her disappearance in which case there could be legal ramifications down the line to the extent that was purposefully misleading and resulted in a loss of public resources due to the investigation so certainly could go either way maybe warrants additional investigation, and the family could potentially push for that. >> needless to say, a lot of questions here. misty thank you very much, kate breaking news into cnn. >> south korea has just declared martial law. we are

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for the new trump presidency. they may be taking some of his major economic proposals with a grain of salt according to the report put together by goldman sachs, there is little belief on wall street that donald trump is going to implement his mass deportation plan, a plan that had worried some business owners who said deportation, the deportation plans could starve them. of workers and then increase prices for consumers. but then there are the tariffs. the survey also found that a majority of investors say their number one fear is the impact of trump's threatened and sweeping tariffs. ceos are bracing and sounding the alarm. joining us right now is tim boyle. he's the ceo of columbia sportswear, one of the largest outdoor apparel and footwear companies in the world. tim, thank you for being here. i mean, your company includes brands like columbia sorel, mountain, hardwear prana, a 25% across the board tariff on imports from mexico and canada 10% or more on goods coming from

china. what would that mean for your company? >> well, we already have one of the largest duty payers and tariff payers in the united states. uh, you know so consumers that are buying our products today are paying fairly significant tariffs right now um, we don't import much from mexico nor from canada but, you know, the products that we sell globally are made in asia and many countries not much from china, frankly, but no, we're used to dealing with significant tariffs they have not driven production into the u.s. even though some of the tariffs are as high as nearly 40%. uh so we don't think there's going to be any movement to, to be building products that we sell in the u.s. they'll just be higher prices for consumers because you're getting at one of the things that donald trump has said is the reason for the tariffs is trying to move production back to the united

states. >> why won't why doesn't this incentivize columbia to do that? i mean, you're all over the globe right so, um over the last 50 years, the production of apparel and footwear has gradually moved so that it's nearly 100% in asia. >> many countries in asia, not only for the the fact that the labor charges are less there, but also all the technology about building textile fabrics that all exists in asia. now, the sort of black art of tailoring exists in great quantities in asia, almost not at all here. and so to be moving products and production back here in the u.s. is, is not going to happen. >> and the quality of your product is one of the reasons why consumers come to you and to your brand. i mean, that's just, you know, that's the reality of it. i've seen you like i've spoken to other ceos

including a footwear company saying that any the additional tariffs are going to the cost is going to be passed on to consumers. talk to the consumer tim. why is the why why can't a company eat that cost well today consumers are paying the tariffs. >> and when they buy products that are made offshore, they're they're paying significant tariffs, which are included in the products. and you know the, the the margins that the companies like ourselves work on. just don't allow us, for us to eat the the cost and the factories that make this merchandise are not willing to eat the costs either. they're going to the costs are going to be passed on to the consumer just the way they are today. >> what would you hope that the incoming administration would take into consideration with the reality that that your company faces and so many other companies are facing, and why there is such

concern about additional tariffs being slapped on imports coming in. what what would your message be to them well if, um if folks that were uh, elected here recently are concerned about inflation raising prices for consumers is not going to lower inflation. >> it's going to raise inflation. that's what i would point out to anybody that's talking about this topic right now. it's going to raise inflation i've heard from some investors that they're taking it all with a little bit of a grain of salt. >> maybe they're hopefully maybe they're a little bit hoping that they think that donald trump is bluffing in terms of this threat, to put him in a better negotiating, stronger negotiating position when he actually gets into office. when it comes to these tariffs, do you think he's bluffing? can you can you can you take that risk. >> well you know, businesses require predictability. so they can plan sourcing products can

be planned. and you know so we would expect that we would um that we would have some sort of, uh convincing argument that we should go forward with a, with a particular product line or a particular set of pricing. so we know what consumers are going to be paying. the other issue, and we're in a state frankly, in oregon here, that exports a tremendous amount of product, not only computer chips, but lots of agricultural products. all of those will be slapped with tariffs in retribution of of a higher tariff level on imports. so, you know there's there's lots of uh, issues that are going to be raised by anybody that's involved in trade, whether it's an export or an import. if there's threatened or even, uh, applied additional tariffs. >> yeah, i think everyone can agree there. no one, nobody wins in a trade war. that seems to be always the end result. tim boyle of of

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something just takes over me. >> and when it does bad things happen in your life once you learn to harness your emotions the sky's the limit so that, of course, the blockbuster hit wicked, starring cynthia erivo and ariana grande, it is now the highest grossing broadway adaptation in u.s. >> box office history. it is also the inspiration for this soon to be viral tiktok video did they have brains or knowledge don't make me laugh they were popular right that was my producer, anna glickman, and me. and here with us now is the director of wicked, jon m chu and the author of viewfinder, a memoir of seeing and being seen. i know it must be intimidating to see filmmaking like that. like that tiktok video. you guys are both hired and wicked to you're in

so we're setting the bar very, very high there. thank you for being so generous. all right so wicked. the show has been around for a while and i know there have been attempts to get it on the big screen before so how did it finally happen and why now? >> um, you know, i think there has to be a reason why a movie is made. the urgency. and i think the time is right. you have to find the right elphaba and glinda. and it just so happens that cynthia erivo and ariana grande were coming into this moment of their careers where they get to show off another side to them that maybe people haven't seen. and of course, i had to i had to go through a bunch of movies and learn my lessons before being here to do it. so i don't know all the things, but i think it's the right moment do you think you did it differently now than you would have ten years ago? oh for sure. for sure. i think the moments have changed. i think even after covid, those words, something has changed within me something's not the same. and defying gravity meant something different to me. there's this whole feeling of uncertainty, of what the future holds and wicked plays right into that about what it is to step up to tell the story. once you when you reveal the truth and you

find out all these things, what do you become and who are you who are you going to? what kind of story are you going to tell? >> so yeah, i think people have been paying attention. no, this is not some like side gig or incidental story for you. this is like deeply a part of your life. the wizard of oz, your book, which i'm holding here viewfinder. like the opening epigraph is a quote from the wizard of oz why is it so important to you? >> well, you know my parents came from china into into the states before i was born and wizard of oz was was the american dream, was the american fairy tale. this yellow brick road, this wizard is going to give you your heart's desire. if you work hard and prove yourself. and i loved growing up in that. but as you get older, as we know, fairy tales sort of fall apart and you have to figure out who your heroes are and maybe the yellow brick road wasn't made for you at all. and maybe there's no wizard who's going to save you, and you have to save yourself. so there's a lot of me and cynthia and ari and all of us, all the crew members, all have a special place in wizard of oz in our place. and wicked. so we could sort of infuse that in in this movie, you're saying the

wizard of oz was crucial to you when you were here as a kid? >> was the wicked witch scary to you? yeah. terrifying. >> yeah. the flying monkeys, the wicked witch, all of that but i love that you get to see her in a new way. you get to see her side of the story and and then. and that maybe makes you pause the next time you make a judgment on on who's deciding that that's beautiful or that's a hero or that's what a villain looks like. >> no, i couldn't agree more. i think that's always been the most magical thing. through the adaptation of wicked. stephen schwartz great musical there. so i want to play a clip of dancing through life and just some of the choreography so everyone can see this. watch if it's fruitless when you're thoughtless, those who don't try never look foolish. >> dancing through life mindless and careless. >> make sure don't wear less. >> trouble is right. >> so i just wanted to play because it's just so amazing and so visual i mean, how did you and choreographer christopher scott achieve this? >> well, it's a whole team of people. christopher scott is

the choreographer, but also alice brooks, our dp, who i've worked with since college at usc so we have to figure out how the camera goes there our production designer, nathan crowley, had to design this giant tornado wheel is what we called it, and johnny bailey of course, has to get in there and do his thing without getting his head chopped off from all the ladders that are turning. so there's this this movie was made with hundreds and hundreds maybe thousands of hands to build munchkinland, to have the emerald city train to plant 9 million tulips. we wanted to make a movie of gigantic scale that only cinema can deliver. >> yeah, i think it's worked okay. based on the box office before i think that so far, you know, people are digging all right. i'm sure you've been asked this a million times, but wicked two. i mean, you cut the show in half and made two films out of it. any surprises in the sequel? >> we may have a few new songs in there it's, you know, if movie one is about choices, movie two is about consequences and why? why do you defend a home that maybe doesn't want you and what is the meaning of home? actually, i think those

things are really interesting questions. and now that people have fallen in love with this, with elphaba and glinda to see how they stay, their course is interesting. >> congratulations on all this. it's got to be so cool to be living through this moment when people are appreciating all the work that you put in because it's been a long time, and making viral videos yes, yes someday you too will achieve that level of filmmaking. john m2, thank you very much. >> creepy fangirl over your shoulder. hi the restraining order won't let me get any closer because i'm such a fan of wicked, i took i took my daughters to this weekend ten and six. they immediately were like mom, stop singing one and two. they're like, when's the next i was like, we'll ask him one year, one year. congrats huge congrats. thank you all so much for joining us. this has been a fun couple of days. we ended the show john, thank you so much. this is cnn news central. cnn newsroom up next like a relentless weed. >> moderate to severe ulcerative colitis symptoms can keep coming back start to break away from uc with tremfya with rapid relief at

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