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tonight on 360. >> breaking news on the president elect's pick for defense secretary. now facing growing republican skepticism and growing allegations of a drinking problem also tonight, what just happened in south korea is the country's president declares martial law. then un declares martial law, leaving a bulwark of democracy looking like anything but. plus, with all the security at airports, the latest on how one woman stowed away on a u.s. flight and made it to paris without a ticket including video of the very moment the stowaways ruse was uncovered mid-air. good evening. thanks for joining us. before we even getting to the new difficulties facing defense secretary or defense secretary designate, i should say pete hegseth nomination, there is breaking news on the end for another top pick, chad chronister named to head the drug enforcement administration, said late today he is bowing out. the hillsborough county florida, sheriff said on social media quote, as the gravity of this

very important responsibility set in, i've concluded that i must respectfully withdraw from consideration. just last week, he called it, quote, the honor of a lifetime to be nominated. just a week and a half ago, another floridian, obviously matt gaetz, backed out of the running to be attorney general. and now, after several damaging reports on his alleged drinking problem, alleged sexist behavior and alleged financial mismanagement in a job related to veterans, pete hegseth pentagon nomination is drawing more doubts from the very same republican senators who support a republican nominee would ordinarily take for granted some of these articles are very disturbing. >> he you know, obviously has a chance to defend himself here. but, you know some of this stuff is going to be difficult. you know, time will tell. i like pete, i've known him for a very, very long time senator joni ernst, a republican who serves on the armed services committee, says she'll have what she called a frank and thorough discussion with hegseth when she meets with him republican kevin cramer of north dakota called the drinking allegations, quote, concerning. >> but said he was leaning yes on the nomination, telling

cnn's manu raju quote, i'm interested in who pete hegseth is today and who he is going forward. susan collins of maine had this to say as a i've repeatedly said to you, i believe that we need an fbi background check to evaluate the allegations. well, to that point, late today, we learned that the transition team has signed a memorandum of understanding with the department of justice, permitting just that which in turn was followed by word that hegseth will be appearing tomorrow in defense of his nomination on fox. cnn's kaitlan collins starts us off tonight with that. not far from mar-a-lago. so what more can you tell us about the fate of his nomination it seems to be getting more difficult by the day. >> anderson now, that doesn't mean that he's going to be pulled. and we haven't heard anything like that yet. but when you're hearing from people who are trump's closest allies on capitol hill like lindsey graham, as you were there talking about the difficulties that they believe that pete hegseth is going to be facing when that confirmation hearing

does happen. if it happens, that's a sign of really just the trouble. and it's certainly not lost on people at mar-a-lago. i've been speaking to them about this nomination, anderson, and how they're feeling about it. and even they have raised concerns as moore has continued to come out necessarily because of the pile up and the questions of what this means for republican senators given they can only afford to lose three of them and plenty of them are sounding skeptical on capitol hill today, more so even than they were about two weeks ago when when all of this first started and there were questions about what this was going to look like. and so i think that's the thing to watch a sign that the trump team is taking seriously the concerns that you heard from those republican senators is that they are sending pete hegseth out to do media tomorrow. i'm told that he's expected to do a fox news interview likely tomorrow is what i'm hearing. and that's notable. not because obviously, you know, one he did used to work there, but two, none of the other cabinet picks are out doing interviews. they have been all told to hold off from doing any media focus on their confirmation hearings. and then

once those happen, then they can go out on television. and so it's notable that they're sending him out to try to alleviate some of the concerns that you're hearing from those officials. and, anderson i will say, obviously, there have been the questions of sexual assault allegations that pete hegseth has denied but also the other reports that are coming out regarding pete hegseth drinking have covered trump for a long time. he abstains from drinking, never has, and he looks critically at people who do drink heavily. that has always been a factor of his. and so that is something that i heard from several people inside trump's orbit today, is how he's going to receive those reports. >> the president elect's transition team, as we mentioned signed an agreement with the justice department to allow background checks for his nominees have you heard anything from the trump team about whether they think hegseth could actually pass a traditional fbi background check? >> i've heard from some people that they think, actually, this could potentially be helpful to pete hegseth. maybe it could help clear up the concerns from some of those republican senators. but also, there's a

question of whether or not his name is actually one of the ones submitted by the trump team to the fbi to conduct that background check, because what this means by signing this agreement that typically incoming president sign when they when they win the election to to have the doj go ahead and start carrying out these background checks, is that they'll they'll have them submit these names that they are going to nominate to capitol hill to the fbi. now, that does not mean they have to submit all of them. there's no legal requirement actually for for trump to do so. and i also think, anderson, one other question that is still raised tonight is whether trump trusts those background checks. he obviously has a very hostile attitude toward the fbi. that's part of why it's been nearly a month since he won the election. and they're just now signing this memorandum. memorandum of understanding. and so even if an fbi background check came back, it doesn't necessarily imperil someone's nomination in trump's eyes because he doesn't trust that he's overridden concerns for before for security clearances. he did so with jared kushner, his son in law, the first time around. and so i think that's really the question here of what that

looks like now that they have signed this agreement, they will move forward. but whether or not they submit all the names is something that still remains to be seen. >> and trump also announced his choice for deputy defense secretary today as we mentioned, his choice for dea administrator withdrew from consideration. what more about this number two at the pentagon anderson, i'm sorry, i think i lost your audio. >> i'm not sure what your question was there. >> as we're hearing it. sorry. we're we're we're short on time. we'll move on. caitlin. we'll see you at the top of the hour. >> at the source at 9 p.m.. joining us right now is cnn senior political commentator david gergen we should mention that david serves on the board. and as an advisor to two companies that trump deputy defense pick, stephen feinberg's, cerebral cerberus capital management. his investments in feinberg was named for the job late today. also with us, cnn political commentator van jones and journalist and lift our voices co-founder gretchen carlson. gretchen, at this point, i mean, does it seem like pete hegseth will survive this process? >> look, i think the pivotal moment today was senator lindsey graham coming out and

questioning this aside from what you played, he also said that he wants to make sure that every young woman who joins the military feels respected. and the reason that jumped out at me is because i've worked with senator lindsey graham on three bipartisan bills two of which passed into law and they were both about sexual misconduct. so the idea that senator graham would not be taking pause right now is not surprising to me at all. >> i mean, you heard what graham said do you think this will survive? >> yeah. it's hard to know. but i mean, you got to think about what is this job if you're running one of the biggest departments, the biggest bureaucracies, the most powerful in the world, the department of defense, you've either got to be able to be excellent on the inside an unbelievable administrator, able to deal with moving chess pieces all around the world, around the world. or you've got to be a great public face. you've got to be able to go out there and recruit people and stand up. he's got two black eyes on that public face, and he can't run anything but his

mouth so right there is a very damaging article in in the new yorker, very well-researched about allegations made at two veterans organizations nonprofits very small, one of them was a very small organization that he essentially, according to the reporting, was essentially forced out of. exactly. >> so financial mismanagement so he's not a great public face at this point, and he can't run anything but his mouth and the small things he had to run, he ran badly. >> so you start wondering why is this guy in charge david? >> i mean, how much longer do you think the president elect will be okay with this kind of drip drip, drip of bad headlines about this pete hegseth. >> yeah listen, anderson, i don't suspect that president trump will ever cut peat free. i think it's going to be up to pete to determine at one point if and when he decides to, that he doesn't have the votes. and i think, look, i think it's very smart for him to go on on fox tomorrow and explain himself. he is kind of fighting this one hand tied behind his back a lot of these reports are, you know, not sourced they

have no they're, you know, anonymous sources and, and kind of whispers down, down the lane. and so i think that it's smart for him to go out and go out and give his side of the story and try to try to win some of these senators back. he's doing it. you know, senator, by senator, he needs to get a good whip count and know what his what it looks like there in the senate. and he's going to have to answer a lot of tough questions when he gets to the to, you know, the armed services committee. i think that, you know caitlyn was talking about the the fbi background checks. they may not mean much to the folks at mar-a-lago, but they do mean a lot to to the senators. and i think they paid a great deal of attention to that. and i think that that will provide a great deal of weight. so i think that if he does get fbi background check and vetted, it's not there's no pass or fail. they just present a bunch of they bring a big file up and give it to each senator to read, and they take it with you when they leave. i think that's important. and i think it's important for pete to get a hearing, to be able to stand on his own two feet and answer those questions you know, to van's point, we had a current the current secretary of defense was missing. he wasn't

at work for seven days, and the entire department of defense didn't even know it. the president didn't know it. the current secretary of defense oversaw the the most uh, one of the most regrettable military withdrawals from afghanistan, from any, any country, but from afghanistan. and so, you know, i don't know that the you know, what what people say, what are his requirements he's got the faith of the president. he's got the ear of the president. he's got the confidence of the president. i think that's that's that's that's a lot. >> david, it doesn't concern you. i mean, as somebody who obviously you have a military background, you know, very big on veterans causes and organizations that two of the organizations he worked with that he according to the reporting was essentially pushed out of yeah. >> so so anderson i think he needs to answer those questions. i would like to hear the answers, but i'm not just going to i'm not just going to take, you know, at faith from a report in the new yorker and say, well, that's it. that's the like the tablets that were handed down by god to moses. right? i want to hear pete's side of the

story. let him explain it. >> right. margaret hoover was margaret hoover was on the air with she was on worked at one of these organizations and spoke publicly. >> there's so many allegations. i mean it's not just about financial mismanagement at these two organizations. it's the sexual misconduct claims. it's the alcohol alleged problems. i mean it just keeps coming out. i just can't believe that this would ever go to a hearing. and the thing i've been thinking about today, aside from why we even teach our kids to have morals and values, is is that i mean, why would pete hegseth put himself in this situation? and the only answer that i can come up with is that when you work at fox, it's kind of like a bubble. and maybe he just felt like none of this would ever come out and that trump really didn't have any repercussions for some of the alleged sexual misconduct things that he had in his past as well. yeah. >> i mean, the reporting by jane mayer van, you know, a whistleblower report that claims when hegseth was president of concerned veterans for america, he was, quote, repeatedly intoxicated while

acting in his official capacity to the point of needing to be carried out of the organization's events. um, as gretchen was saying, there are other accusations of sexual impropriety, misconduct of and also treatment of women at these organizations. you know, being drunk in a bar chanting about killing muslims the the list is a long one. >> yeah. i just don't get it. i mean, the republican party is supposedly a party that wants america to be strong, wants america to be great, wants to put america first. i don't think any of the people who voted for donald trump, who run small businesses, would hire this guy to be a floor room manager. he's just not coming across as the type of person that you would want in any position of authority and and we'll just have to see i do think that maybe we're in an age where a personal valor doesn't matter in the military anymore, but i don't think we're there yet. >> i'm going to tell you who should be the pick. and that is senator joni ernst. and she's

having reservations. right now. and here's why. she's a veteran. she's a sexual assault survivor, and she has a history of voting against people who have sexual misconduct allegations against them she would be a slam dunk victory for president trump. and i've heard through the grapevine that she's number two on the list. >> david, what does it take to run the department of defense? i mean, what is it? it's obviously a huge bureaucratic organization. um, i mean, is it traditionally somebody who has management experience what do you think it takes? >> yeah. look so so, anderson, it's up to the united states senate to determine what it takes. right. that's that's the advice and consent role, like the secretary has to provide sound judgment, has to provide the president with with good advice the secretary has the deputy secretary has lots of undersecretaries. deputy assistant secretaries. so it is it's running a huge organization. but you manage, you know, small people who end up running a huge organization. look, pete's going to have to

explain a lot of things. and president trump's going to have to determine how much political capital he wants to expend here. you know, as any politician, the this president has a limited amount of political capital to burn. and you've got a lot of nominees, you've got a lot of nominees you want to get through. and at some point you're going to make a judgment, and pete hegseth is going to count heads, and you're going to see whether or not the votes are there, whether to get to even a hearing so, um, i think that, you know, the senate will ultimately decide as they always do. i think the fbi background checks are important here to give the senators a lot of confidence. i think, pete hegseth we're going to hear from him tomorrow. let's see what he has to say. >> but you know, but even the proposed deputy secretary is worrisome. i mean, it's not like a like a billion like a, like a billionaire war profiteer. that's kind of like a party guy as well. so, i mean, i don't understand who's going to be running the department. >> yeah, but that's petty compared to the other stuff that we're facing. >> van jones gretchen carlson, david urban, thank you. coming up next, a live report on new developments within the last few minutes from south korea, where the sudden declaration of martial law shocked the world. the sudden end to it leaves

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south korea and this is cnn the south korean president and chief of staff and more than ten of his senior secretaries have just submitted their resignations, according to his office, the president himself has not yet resigned. >> the breaking news again, just moments old, follows hard on the heels of a remarkable and remarkably brief flirtation with martial law. today it ended six hours after it began, the president, bowing to pressure from lawmakers and mass protests in the streets of south korea, as you may know, became a democracy in the late 1980s after decades under

military rule. cnn's mike valerio is in seoul. for us tonight. what is going on there right now? and is there any more clarity about why the president did this well, anderson, right now we're in the middle of a protest with a couple hundred people steps away from the national assembly. >> one of the main centers of the drama that unfolded over the past couple of hours. we have one of the new late edition newspapers that's come out with a headline that encapsulates the feeling that so many people have right now. it says in korean president yun's martial law, a betrayal of the people and that's exactly what so many people here, myriad citizens of south of seoul and surrounding area, are saying, right now in terms of the why question, anderson, why this happened and why we got here, the best guess and best analysis that we can. marshall right now is that the president of south korea felt as though he was backed into a corner facing myriad scandals, many scandals here domestically

with a popularity of favorability rating under, i repeat under 20%. and in his words, a parliament, you know, a couple of yards behind me that wasn't able to play a part in furthering his domestic agenda. so a huge miscalculation on his part to take control, to take power, take control of the situation in everybody would agree here a terrible way, anderson. >> no fascinating mike valerio appreciate it. joining us stay with us. also, mike, cnn's national security analyst and former deputy director of national intelligence beth sanner joins us also, william cohen, who served as defense secretary during the clinton administration. secretary cohen, i'm just trying to put this in a global perspective for us. how dangerous is political instability in south korea at a time when north korea is testing new missiles with longer range? and obviously, china getting increasingly more aggressive against taiwan? >> well it's pretty serious, anderson as you pointed out, just the threat of the north koreans over the years. but

especially in recent times when they're firing off more and more missiles and getting greater and greater range of those missiles. so with the possibility of striking the united states with a nuclear weapon so that's dangerous enough but it poses a danger to the entire region. japan is certainly going to be concerned about this, as other um, countries in the region so instability is not good and i think this reflects an act of impulsiveness. i think he acted impulsively. and you're supposed to have a plan. if you had plan a to impose martial law, what's plan b? there's no plan b, and that's why it's, um, president biden was not called on on it his own parliament wasn't called to let them know what was going to take place. his own party didn't know about it so it had to be an act on his part. coming late at night impulsively, not thinking it through. and he's paying a consequence for it now. >> yeah, beth, i mean, to that point the announcement clearly appears to have called the biden administration the

intelligence community, by surprise um, if this was just an impromptu decision, it's a pretty crazy impromptu decision to make. if you don't haven't really planned out the institution of martial law in a country that, you know, has not had martial law in decades yeah, yeah. >> note to self don't text after 11 p.m.. >> i mean, it's like a late night decision of all the late night bad late night decisions people have made this seems like a huge one. >> it seems like a huge one, and it absolutely will be. there is no way in the world that he is going to get out of this politically alive you know, his chief of staff resigned. all senior staff has resigned. his party has demanded his resignation. so now it's just a matter of how long does this take? and then we're going to see this period of 60 days from when he declares, because i don't think we're going to have to go through the impeachment process. so he's going to resign, and then there'll be elections within 60 days of that. and so that's going to put us at, you know elections

in south korea. one of our most important allies. what has been an absolute bulwark for us working with japan. and this trilateral arrangement on that peninsula and in the region and that, you know, we don't know how that's going to turn out. the reason that yoon was so important to us is because he was a willing player in that, and the next person may or may not be so there's a lot at stake. >> yeah mike, i mean, the entire south korean parliament voted unanimously to undo this martial law declaration. what are the consequences for south korea's president well, you know, he's lost so many of his allies. >> and there is a fear i you know, i think it's fair to say anderson, just talking to all of these people, south korea is so proud of how far the country has come since 1980, since the last time there was martial law spread throughout the country. we now have k-pop k cinema, you know, soft power is so strong

that south korea exerts. and i can tell you there are people from grandmothers and students and everyone in between who's gathered here. they're really afraid and concerned that this is a blemish on south korea's reputation. the world now knows that things are incredibly unstable here and there are allies of president yoon suk yeol who are concerned, and people in the opposing party who are concerned that north korea, perhaps could see this moment as a moment of weakness and do something that, you know, we don't even want to go into that realm of possibility. but so there is serious concern about what this has done to the reputation of south korea and the ripple effects that this means going forward. >> secretary cohen i mean, obviously, there are tens of thousands of u.s. troops stationed in south korea. i know a spokesman for the pentagon has said that quote, and i'm quoting right now, there has been essentially no impact on u.s. forces. what impact do you think continued instability there could have on u.s. forces in the region or to to the as you know, we talked

about this, this kind of trilateral alliance. >> yeah, i assume the korean forces will be enhancing their security alert and go on to a higher level of status of warning. i think the american troops will remain calm but very vigilant, watching as things unfold. so i think we'll keep an eye on north korea we'll keep an eye on what is taking place in the region. but i want to add just one comment of optimism here this is democracy that worked these the korean people have said we like freedom. we like democracy. we don't want anyone to take that away from us. and so what the president tried to do is imposing martial law, become a dictator as such, because he was frustrated that he couldn't get his budget through. he couldn't get his cabinet approved or not impeached. so democracy in that sense, worked with the people, spoke out and said, no, no you'll work with a system democracy can be messy

but dictatorships are a menace. and that's the choice they have made here so i think that sends a signal to all of our allies in the region that, yeah, we have a problem here for the time being. i think it will be corrected. in the meantime, we'll be on alert and i think the region will be relatively safe if the north koreans start to do something and move in an adversarial way, we'll be ready for that. so i think it will calm down over time. and as beth has said 60 days will pass. they'll have a new election and democracy will be in action again. >> beth, what do you think about north korea? i mean, kim jong un often employs hostile rhetoric, obviously against south korea and the u.s. do you think they will try to do something using this as an opportunity? >> i do. i think that they see you know, korea watchers have been worried, you know, for some months that that kim would take advantage of the u.s. transition and to do something, you know actually kinetic actually an attack on something

like an island or something like that in, in, you know, around the transition to put a real dilemma on trump's plate at the beginning of his administration. now, i think that there actually is even more likelihood that that will happen but i'm not sure it will happen before the south korean elections because in a way the north koreans aren't dumb if they do something before the election, it actually could encourage south korean voters to gravitate more to the conservative party rather than to the the progressives who are more accommodating to the north koreans but so we're looking at a window. i think, in early in the trump administration, where we really have to be on our toes and in alert because kim is is definitely gunning to make things difficult. >> beth sanner mike valerio william cohen, thanks so much. coming up next, an update on the woman who allegedly stowed away in a delta airlines flight to paris out of new york. how she got on this is hard to

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russian national to the united states. a passenger's cell phone video captured the woman causing a disturbance before the flight took off from paris i don't want to go to united states. she was removed from the new york bound flight, recalls gary treichler, who was sitting right across the aisle. >> what i saw was basically this lady that was progressively getting more and more irate and raising her voice louder and louder, and was ultimately restrained with handcuffs and yellow twist ties and held down by three individuals. a stewardess and a lady that represented delta security delta airlines not commenting about its decision to kick her off today's flight or elaborating on the initial security breach in a previous statement. >> a spokesperson for the airline wrote in part delta is conducting an exhaustive investigation of what may have occurred. tsa says before stowing away on this flight last week, the woman slipped past tsa officers at jfk checking boarding passes. they added she and her carry on

bags were screened but that she somehow bypassed id verification at the gate. a source familiar with the incident said she evaded detection in flight because the plane wasn't full, though passengers previously told cnn she hid by moving between lavatories. the next attempt to fly her to new york is planned for tomorrow, according to that paris airport official, who adds french security personnel will be escorting her. >> polo sandoval joins me now. so where has the woman been held? in paris and what do we know about her well anderson, until she is brought back here to new york she will continue to be held where she's been for the last week, really, which is a specially designated section there at paris's charles de gaulle airport specifically reserved for people who do not meet requirements to enter france. >> in fact, by at least one account, this woman does not meet the entrance requirements to enter europe altogether. in fact, we have learned recently that she had recently petitioned for asylum in france but had been denied. anderson. so clearly there is either

something or someone that's essentially drawing her to france. now what that is, that's still unclear tonight polo sandoval, thanks so much. >> among the outstanding questions in this bizarre saga is how the stowaway managed to sneak past multiple security checkpoints at jfk and board a flight without a ticket in the first place. we'll get some perspective now from john miller, cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst um, do you have any idea how she was able to get. i mean, there's so many layers of getting through security. >> so investigators have gone through the video and, you know, if there's next to an next to a casino, the place with the most video cameras is going to be an airport especially at the security checkpoint. so what they what they see is they pick her up trailing a flight crew down that special lane, that flight crews go through their screening in. but as she approaches the place where she has to show her airline identification, which of course she doesn't have, she breaks off from the flight crew, not a delta crew from another airline. and there's a gap there where there's a stanchion

that divides their area from the regular screening area and she she goes through that gap or under a stanchion. and then goes through the regular airport security screening. so she hasn't presented a ticket at the normal passenger entrance. she hasn't presented one at the airline one, but she's gone through the security when she gets to the plane now. now she's in delta's territory. she seems to be looking at the video. get in the middle of a group. it looks like a family. according to investigators who have seen it and then they're presenting their tickets and passports in a pile to the gate agent who is then going through them and as they sweep onto the plane, she does too. so it sounds like she had a plan. it looks like she executed it very well, and that she took advantage of the massive crowds. >> so how do you fix that problem? i mean, who does the buck stop with? who's responsible for that? >> well, it's the buck stops in two places. one on the tsa. they've got to look at that gap. they've got to look at

who's watching those spaces um, important to remember, she did go through security screening but she didn't go through an id check on the on the getting on the plane. and that's on delta right that's where that gate agent has to check those passports, visas plane tickets. >> and would she face charges for boarding a stowing away on a flight so she could that's a $4,500 ticket. >> by most estimates so that could be grand larceny there's civil penalties from tsa, which they could assess her. so tomorrow when she comes back, she'll be interviewed by the fbi. other law enforcement agencies, and they'll confer with delta. how did they even get her back? >> if she's going to keep causing a problem on a plane? i mean, so she'll be with four u.s., tsa, air marshals and a delta corporate security person and i think they're going to try again. >> huh? >> sounds like a great flight to be on that one. john miller. thank you very much. appreciate it. coming up, the cdc considers the initiative to put fluoride in public drinking

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for you? >> uh, you know, i always thought of myself as kind of a stoic kind of guy. you know, tough you know, i was the elder in the family, so i had a certain role. you were the protector. yeah. >> do you feel like you are grieving, or do you feel like i'm grieving all the time? >> you're trying to put it aside. i'm not running from it. because that doesn't solve the problem. it's there. you feel it oh, yeah. absolutely absolutely. it's just it's a times can be overwhelming. and the more the more i dwell on it. the more complicated it becomes when i'm alone and not put on a piece of music and i hear him play, i just break, i break down, that's it. you know uncontrollably. but knowing what i know about the human body, you just let it happen. otherwise it will happen in the line at the grocery store, you were able to be with your brother at the end, he had a stroke and is that. yes. at the end he had a massive stroke. um, we were in the room with

him when he actually took his last breath. we just sat there everybody was in their own headspace all i know is that when he stopped breathing, i didn't hear anything. i didn't see anything there were no bells. there were no angels. it was just. it stopped. and then the room was empty. and then they pulled the plug because he was on a ventilator and because of covid and the restrictions of the rules, they immediately carved the body off. and that was it. then we didn't see him anymore. it was very uneventful ending to an eventful life this is going to sound a little out to left field, so to speak, but he communicates in different ways with me um, and i can't really go into that because the moment you mention it, it breaks that bond. it's kind of a really thin thread of, uh signs. >> there's a lot of people who feel signs and see signs, and it gives great comfort. and it's only recently that i've

begun to um. excuse me if i. my voice cracks. it's uncontrollable uh, i've recently begun to actually feel my brother and my dad, who died long ago, but i've actually started to sort of feel them inside me in a way that i never have before. and it's it's an extraordinary feeling. >> the first real direct if you will communication, if you will, was more of a smell. his unique fragrance was everywhere, and i couldn't figure it out rationally. where is this coming from? is it the closet? is it the clothes? is it the stuff that he washed with? but it's just and it shows up everywhere. or maybe it's just my mind wants to smell that. i don't know, but it was there and lately it's been fading a little bit. >> but the feeling it leaves you with is positive.

>> oh yeah yeah. you know, in a lot of different cultures, death um, and i prefer to believe that about your podcast, you can also point your camera at the qr code on the screen right now click on the link. >> another way to access it this season is to go to our online grief community that we just started on cnn.com/vote forward slash all there is online. you can connect with me there and others living with grief. you can leave comments and share your own experiences as well. watch a video version of this podcast and listen to all the podcasts there. the videos are also available on the cnn channel on youtube. i hope all of it makes you feel a little less lonely in your grief. the news continues. the source with kaitlan collins starts now. i'll see you tomorrow