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we begin this hour with president-elect donald trump's pick for defense secretary, who says he plans to, quote fight like hell, even as one democratic senator says pete hegseth nomination is, quote, dead in the water right now. >> hegseth is on capitol hill meeting with key gop senators amid growing scrutiny over allegations of serious past misconduct. while republicans have yet to come out directly against hegseth. democratic senator richard blumenthal says the writing's on the wall i think this nomination is doomed. >> all right. i would be very surprised if we're still talking about peak hexane next monday even by the end of the week. i've talked to 5 to 10 republicans who have said to me, they're just waiting for the right moment to say no to. >> pete has said hegseth says

he spoke with president-elect trump this morning and still has his full support. >> but we're told behind the scenes, trump's transition team is looking into options to replace hegseth if things implode. let's begin with cnn's kristen holmes in west palm beach near mar-a-lago. kristen there's like a split screen going on here. we have the public playing out on capitol hill where you are behind the scenes what's the mood right now? what are they seeing yeah and actually, one of those people whose name is being floated, hegseth, just walked into a meeting with senator joni ernst. >> she is on a short list of people that's being circulated for possible replacements if hegseth can't get the votes. remember one of the things donald trump is watching very closely is how senators are reacting to hegseth. we know that there is a list floating around. it has florida governor ron desantis on it. it has as i said, joni ernst on it, who is now currently meeting with pete hegseth on the hill, as well as senator bill hagerty. and there are still a couple of other names on that list. now whether or not donald trump has given up support, he doesn't appear

he has, particularly given the fact that hegseth said he spoke to donald trump today. take a listen to what he said on the megyn kelly show. >> he reiterated the same thing this morning. >> hey pete, i got your back. it's a fight. they're coming after you get after it. >> the media is driving with this ridiculous narrative. it's our turn to. >> it's our time to stand up and tell the truth and our side. and he knows that now one of the things to remember here is that when donald trump called matt gaetz, he was all in on matt gaetz until he realized that he didn't have the votes in the senate. >> and then he called him and said, you simply don't have the votes, which led to matt gaetz withdrawing his name for attorney general doesn't appear that that is where we are right now. however, when i am talking to people in trump's orbit, there is a lot of concern. concern about two things. one, there is a math issue. they're not sure they can get him over the finish line, but two, they've seen this drip, drip of allegations coming out against hegseth. and there is a large concern that more might be out there. what else is waiting in the wings that could

tip the scale? either way? one thing to keep in mind here, as the senators are making up their minds they are obviously going to look to mar-a-lago look to donald trump to see where his head is at. there are currently reports being circulated that he is mulling other options which might give some of those senators who are quietly, privately saying they aren't sure they can support hegseth a little bit more cover now when it comes to this nominee. >> yeah, it's a great point, kristen homes live for us in west palm beach. thanks so much. let's go now to cnn's lauren fox on capitol hill. lauren, i don't usually go to senator richard blumenthal for whip counts of where the senate republican conference is. but the point he's making is one that i think you are definitely hearing behind the scenes. i've heard behind the scenes as well. there are issues here. how deep are the issues that pete hegseth is dealing with, with republicans well, phil, i will give an example of someone whose job it is to count republican votes and that is current republican whip john thune, who will become the next republican leader in january.

>> i asked him repeatedly if he was ready to back hegseth after >> that that is a very telling sign right now of where things stand. everyone is in wait and see mode on capitol hill now, pete headsets went into senator joni ernst office this has been one of the most watched meetings coming up on capitol hill. >> that is because of some of the past comments that pete hegseth has made about women in combat. some of the vision that he has for the pentagon, those are going to be areas where joni ernst, who is a sexual assault survivor, is going to

be drilling down to understand whether or not she can actually back says someone else who met with hegseth yesterday is the senator from west virginia, shelley moore capito. when i asked her if she was ready to back hegseth after her meeting she said that she was still working through the process. so what you're hearing right now is a lot of republicans who are not ready at this moment to throw their weight behind the nominee that trump has selected to lead the pentagon. phil, senator senator ernst has really led on that issue on capitol hill also being floated as a potential replacement. >> if hegseth should fail. lauren fox, thank you so much from capitol hill brianna. >> we have democratic congressman jason crow of colorado joining us. he is a former army ranger, and he sits on the house intelligence committee i just wonder what your read is on how this is going for hegseth. is this, you know, a nomination that you see is dead in the water, or do you think he might actually make it well it doesn't seem to be going well. >> that's for sure. but

listen, when you talk about donald trump and what donald trump wants, i have learned over the last almost six years that i've been in congress to never underestimate his ability to roll republicans, to do his will. right. i mean, the fact that we're even talking about this guy as a potential head of the department of defense, the nation's largest department with an $800 billion budget, with over 2 million service members deployed in 70 different places around the world. and this is somebody with alcohol abuse allegations with sexual abuse allegations, with allegations that he misappropriated and misused funds of veterans organizations who has said that women shouldn't serve in combat roles the fact that we're even talking about this is absurd in the first instance. >> and i know you talked to a lot of veterans on both sides of the aisle there is a strong community of veterans up there on the hill. what are you hearing from them? >> well, as you know, i'm one of the most bipartisan members of congress. i have a lot of very close friends on both

sides of the aisle and we're veterans. a lot of the fellow veterans here, i'm the co-chair, right now of the bipartisan veterans caucus in the house. and what kills me about this, there's a lot of things that kill me about this, but one of which is that there are there are no shortage of qualified people for this job, right? republicans who i know who i respect who are qualified, who i might disagree with on policy and all manner of issues, but actually are able to do the job. so let's just move on here and actually pick somebody who we think is qualified and could do honor to what is a really important role for our service members. >> you tick through some of the issues facing hegseth here. there's this new reporting from multiple outlets. this week about his alleged issues with drinking. nbc reporting it was an issue at fox up until the time that he was tapped for defense secretary here recently. hegseth denies a problem. we should note. why is that allegation particularly concerning when it comes to doing this job? or are the

other allegations sexual misconduct, financial misconduct? his advocacy for convicted and suspected war criminals a bigger liability in your view? >> well, there are so many liabilities. again, brianna, it's hard to tell where to start. but one of the things i've been most concerned about actually, the thing that i am the most concerned about, is the message it sends to our men. and women, particularly our women. you know, as we sit here now in the safety of our offices and in the safety of the capitol, in my case, there are thousands of women downrange in dangerous parts of the world putting their lives on the line, flying helicopters in dangerous outposts, risking their lives for us, for our safety, and to nominate a man who said that these women are not qualified and not should be serving in those roles, is is a disgrace. it's a message that is the wrong message to send. it's dangerous and i will not put up with it, nor should any american for that matter and you mentioned that there's other people who could fulfill this role. >> there are some names that have been floated as possibilities others you've

heard them. ron desantis, the florida governor joni ernst, who hegseth is meeting with today on the hill, veteran senator, what do you think about those well there are obviously people that i would be more in favor of, of than not. >> i'm not going to doom anybody who i like by saying their name. i'll put it that way. >> well, so let me let me ask you about that, because senator fetterman and, and other senator kelly they mentioned they would like ron desantis. i mean, do you think that that actually could doom people to suggest that a democrat likes a possible defense secretary pick well, this is donald trump. >> we're talking about so i think if any democrat says that they like somebody probably presumptively they're probably unqualified. maybe i'm wrong there. but that's certainly what my experience would, would tell me so i'm going to sit

this one out and see what happens. >> we just got word that hegseth has told senator or senator wicker that he will not drink alcohol if he is confirmed. what do you think about that um well, i mean, good for him. >> that doesn't change the fact that he's unqualified, that his policies dishonor the women of our military and his past actions, which are always, in my view are a good indication of future actions, undermine his credibility in the first instance. so fine. i mean, say what he needs to say but this man should set no foot within the pentagon in my view. >> i do want to ask you about another one of these picks. here you are on house intel, which is one of several congressional committees with oversight of the fbi kash patel the pick for fbi director concerning a lot of democrats and a lot of republicans. as well. he says that he wants to

dismantle the fbi. is that actually a possibility in in your view well, i'm not going to discount any of donald trump's threats. >> i think we don't do ourselves any service by blowing off any of his threats. i think we should take him seriously and very clearly. kash patel is somebody who is being nominated because he is a loyalist of donald trump, because he has promised that he will attempt to enact retribution and vengeance on donald trump's perceived loyalties. that has been his focus. his focus has not been on running the fbi efficiently and effectively to protect america, to protect us against terrorist threats, to to protect our institutions and our financial sector from cyber threats that does not seem to be his focus. and that should concern everybody congressman jason crow, thank you so much for being with us. >> we appreciate your time.

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>> and in the video, you see that the gunman has a silencer there a suppressor for the for the weapon on the weapon that is a key piece of evidence for investigators. obviously, that shows that this was pretty well planned. this was targeted and that this ceo was executed. but i want to talk about their surveillance photos that we just received from the nypd it's really important because it just shows you that the work that they're doing, they're back tracking where this individual came from, where he was of course, they're also trying to figure out where he is. but in this photo i'm told this was taken some time before the shooting. it appears to be some kind of coffee shop it's nearby. the shooting scene. police are not telling us they're not releasing any information about exactly where this was. but this is our best look of what this individual looks like. you see, the top part of his face, but it's also

striking in the sense because again as part of the planning, this individual tried to cover himself up as best as he could because there's even side photos that the police released where he's indoors and he has the hood over his head to obstruct obviously, the side view so these are the clues that police right now are working with releasing as much information as they can to the public to try and identify this individual, to try and find this individual. they have other clues obviously, like the bike that we've been spending the day talking about. there was an e-bike that he used to flee the location. there was gps that is associated with that bike. so they are looking through that evidence and there is a cell phone. we are waiting to learn more information about that. but they recovered at the scene near where he in one of the areas where he was, and they are still working to go through that cell phone again. all key pieces of information that they have. but right now

they're unable to put it all together to try and determine who this person is. the other thing obviously the big question is motive that is still something that is unknown. police continuing to work through that as they speak to his family members, people he works with and friends, and even the teens that he was in new york with. as he was preparing to go to this conference at the hilton. >> all right shimon prokupecz, thank you so much for the latest on that. let's talk now with former boston police commissioner ed davis, former editor you see this these new pictures that we're getting a look at what stands out to you hi brianna. >> well, these are very good photos and much better than what we first saw this morning. um there's a couple of things that stand out. first of all, you've got a young man, white male. you've got a pretty good shot of his eyes and his nose um, the other thing that stands out to me is that is a brand

new jacket, in my estimation. and the backpack is a brand new backpack. so this is not a street person or somebody from the environment there. this this tends to push me more towards this theory that this was a hit. it was planned by someone who prepared for it. so there are some very good clues in those close up photos can i draft off that a little bit just to ask kind of what we've been talking about? >> uh, in most of the commercial breaks for the last three hours to that point everything about this in terms of both his proficiency with the weapon, his ability to clear when it jammed. also, i think his entire approach that we've seen on the video very calm throughout the process. when the gun jammed, we haven't shown that part of the video. and then what shimon was pointing out in the sense of when he turned to the side his jacket actually still covered a portion of this. all of this looks very professional it does. >> it is very unusual to have three misfires or three hung cartridges in a, in a in a

shooting of just a few rounds so there was something going on there that would mitigate towards not being professional but everything else. and especially the the suppressor, the silencer, whatever you want to call it. uh, would would make one believe that this is something that was well prepared for by somebody that knew what they were doing i wonder if something else stands out to you, which is that there's a source who tells cnn the entire leadership team of unitedhealthcare including thompson, they're supported by an in-house security team. >> um, i wonder if that stands out. and i think you'd expect the ceo ceos of many companies travel with security, don't go anywhere without them. you don't see that in the video here. is that something you notice it is something i notice and it's an interesting dynamic. >> we work in this area. we protect the ceos of fortune 500 companies and government

officials. and there are two types of people. there are people that understand what the threat is and want to have protection, but there's a significant group of business leaders who don't want any protection. they think it's a violation of their privacy, and they think that it's it's a little pretentious. it's it's it draws attention to them and basically they think, well, who would want to hurt me? and we run up against that all the time in trying to convince people that protection is necessary. a lot of times boards of directors will step in and say, well, we don't care what you think mr. ceo, if you're assassinated our stock price will drop and that's enough to to force that, you know, that we have somebody with you at all times. >> former boston police commissioner ed davis. always appreciate your time, sir. thanks so much thank you well, up next, the supreme court hears a high profile case with major implications for transgender rights. we'll break down what's at stake and where

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today in a blockbuster case that focuses on a tennessee law prohibiting doctors from providing puberty blockers and hormone treatments for minors. more than half of the u.s. has similar policies in place. the implications of this could be far reaching. cnn chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid is with us now. paula walk us through the stakes here and where you saw the justices seem to be today during this argument. >> well, minors transitioning has become a political hot button issue, right? and today we saw the justices poised unlikely. right. unlikely. they appear to overturn this ban in tennessee that prohibits minors from receiving certain medical treatments. if they want to transition. now teens who have been affected by this the aclu and the biden administration all argue that this ban amounts to unconstitutional sex discrimination. because if you were born a boy and you want access to testosterone treatment, you can get it, but you can't get it if you're born a boy and you want to transition to a girl. now, the state of tennessee says

it's not sex based discrimination because it doesn't matter if you're a boy or a girl. you can't get this medical treatment to transition. so today, the justices had a lot of questions for both sides. but we were watching really closely some of the potential swing votes that the aclu and the biden administration would need to overturn this ban. for example chief justice john roberts. let's take a listen to what he said here, it seems to me that the medical issues are much more heavily involved than in many of the cases that you you look to. >> and, of course, we are not the best situated to address issues like that unlike in, you know, like morales and craig and some of the other ones where it doesn't strike me that they're intensely affected by medical considerations and if that's true, doesn't that make a stronger case for us to leave those determinations to the legislative bodies rather than

try to determine them for ourselves? >> so there he is suggesting this should be left up to the states and left up to voters. justice alito, also pointing to the fact that some european countries have restricted this kind of treatment for minors, though the solicitor general that's the top lawyer for the biden administration pointed out they didn't outright ban it. so things are not looking great for the biden administration here. it's unclear how long it will take the justices to issue their opinion but as you know before, that opinion comes, we are likely to get a new administration, a republican administration that does not support this kind of treatment for minors i spoke to the teenager, one of them at the center of this case and she told me that, look, even if they don't have federal support for their position, that the aclu will continue to advocate for these rights, neil gorsuch didn't say anything. >> everyone was fascinated to see where he would land. but we did see or hear from justin roberts. justice roberts, as you just played i'll ask you the question that every supreme court reporter hates being asked when do we expect a decision here? what this is

this is so critical. it's so important. you mentioned the new administration coming in. what are the expectations of timeline here? >> look, i'm just so greatly grateful to cover the supreme court. you can ask me anything you want we never know when the justices will issue their opinions. i don't know that they're going to sit on this one until june, when we usually get the blockbuster opinions, but it doesn't appear that they are poised to overturn this ban. we know the incoming administration is likely to flip their position, but the aclu will continue on with this case. so i would expect it would take months but probably not weeks to get this opinion. you look, you never know but we have to remember this doesn't just impact tennessee. over two dozen other states have passed similar restrictions. so it is definitely the biggest case of the term so far. but i would bet it's not going to be the biggest case of the entire term. >> paula reid always appreciate you. thank you brianna. >> access to gender affirming medical care has sparked fierce debate across the country. but what exactly does that type of care entail? let's turn to cnn medical correspondent meg tirrell. meg, walk us through what this involves and how many

people in the u.s. it impacts yeah, brianna. >> so this really spans the gamut. you know, for young children who are entering into these kinds of questions, really, this starts with mental health care working with their families and a team of physicians and really what's known as social affirmation. so just thinking about things like adopting gender affirming hairstyles clothing names or pronouns that affirm the gender that they feel that they are. once kids get into puberty and they've had a sustained period of feeling this way and they go through, you know, extensive counseling with a whole team of providers, they can get into puberty blockers, those are, um, drugs that can essentially pause the pubertal development so that kids and their families and their caregivers have more time, essentially, to consider what's going on as they get older. and if they're still showing sustained feelings in these ways along with that extensive counseling then you get to hormone therapy. so

testosterone, estrogen, things like that, these are hormones that can affirm somebody's gender. so those are the really the things that people talk about when they're talking about gender affirming care for minors. then you have gender affirming surgeries but according to the american academy of pediatrics, those are really talked about for adults who are in this space and only really on a rare case by case basis for anybody under the age of 18. and so when you're trying to look at the number of people who might be affected by the outcome here, estimates put the number of people who identify as transgender in the u.s. at about 1.6 million, including about 300,000 kids between the ages of 13 and 17. so you're talking about hundreds of thousands of kids here, brianna, who could be affected by the outcome of the court's decision? >> all right, meg tirrell, thank you so much for that phil. >> well, breaking news just in to cnn. president elect trump wants another one of his legal cases thrown out in a new filing, an attorney for trump says his election interference case in georgia should be dismissed, arguing that a

sitting president can't be prosecuted. cnn's nick valencia joins us live now. nick what else did we learn from this filing? >> well, phil, oral arguments had been expected to get underway sometime this week in the georgia court of appeals. of course they have the case and are weighing whether or not district attorney fani willis would be allowed to stay on this case. but now, this filing from georgia attorney for the president elect, steve sadow, asking for this case to be dismissed entirely. and here's what they're saying in part of that filing quote, saying a sitting president is completely immune from indictment or any criminal process, state or federal. it goes on to say president trump respectfully submits that upon reaching this decision, this court court of appeals should dismiss his appeal for lack of jurisdiction with directions to the trial court to immediately dismiss the indictment against the president. this investigation, of course, began with that infamous phone call from president trump to our secretary of state, brad raffensperger, in which he asked him to find more votes. there was also the fake elector scheme, where they tried to subvert the electoral college and say that trump won the

state in 2020 when he lost, and of course, the illegal accessing of voting data in rural coffee county. but now, phil, with this filing, the fate of this case is unknown as the attorney here for the the president elect asking the trial court and the court of appeals to dismiss this case entirely. >> phil. nick valencia with the breaking news. thank you so much. still ahead, a stowaway who snuck through security and onto a delta flight to paris will finally land back in the u.s. to face consequences. the plane is expected to land at jfk in new york in less than an hour. we're going to be there live. just ahead hello, brad. >> dad sing the world the boys and girls now, that didn't sign on for this. >> it's christmas. >> bah, humbug. christmas is the time to be with the people you love talk to the world joe tague

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prevent a situation like what played out this past saturday on another delta flight in which she had to be taken off the plane before it even departed. because of a disturbance that she caused. so yesterday, she boarded another delta flight from paris to new york. delta airlines said not today, at least not until they figured out how they can best do this to ensure everybody's safety. obviously, some precautions taking place, and that's how this plane successfully departed paris today. do here in in at jfk in less than a couple of hours. and that's when investigators are really going to have to take a good hard look at this case. right. they will certainly look into the motive. and it's a difficult question to ask, but an important one. perhaps her mental state last tuesday when she was seen on surveillance video bypassing an id security checkpoint at tsa, proceeded through the tsa checkpoint after a screening of her baggage and also of her and then eventually found a way to make it onto that flight. so, so there's certainly still many

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answer on seat selection alone. listen now to senate democrat richard blumenthal of connecticut who called for this hearing airlines call the practice of separating separately charging for every little thing unbundling frustrated passengers have a different word for it. >> they call it junk sometimes they use another four letter word and understandably, they feel that sense of frustration and anger there were no airline ceos in attendance at this hearing. >> only financial officers and lobbyists from american delta frontier, united and spirit. this was their central argument. the no frills basic economy ticket makes flying more affordable for travelers on a budget airlines also say that a one size fits all model would make flying more expensive, and this way, passengers can essentially pay for what

they want. but the biggest fireworks here were over another finding in the senate report. it said that frontier airlines paid gate agents bonuses if they found passengers who were trying to bring carry on bags on board without paying for them here is senate republican josh hawley if people want to know why it's such a terrible experience to fly. >> this is news for them today. your airlines are paying millions of dollars to your employees to harass people who've already paid their. they're in line because they've already paid it's unbelievable. >> airlines make this one final point. they say airfare has gone down, though. triple a said last week that the cost of tickets is up a few few percent from last thanksgiving. but airlines also say you need to consider inflation delta airlines said it is not increased bag fees since 2018, though it's cost, its labor and operational costs have skyrocketed in that time. >> i feel for them. i appreciate their benevolence i just the thing that i find so

frustrating about it is it's really difficult. >> like you're waiting for my rant. i'm ready to go okay? he's like, he's like, i'm not it's so hard. >> it's so hard to know what you're going to pay. >> yes, yes. and you can't. apples to apples. anything it feels like there's there's apples kiwis, grapes. like it's all the things and who even knows? >> the one thing here. and this came up over and over again, is that airlines are required by law to essentially tell you the full totality of the price, the total price that you're going to pay for a ticket. but they do ticky tack these things on at the end sometimes, you know, this is a new trend among all the travel bloggers is to wait until the last minute for them to just assign you to maybe one of the best seats possible without you having to pay for a seat selection fee. so there are some ways around it. and this is kind of emerging now as this debate is happening at the same time with children. >> it makes it really difficult with the kid thing. it really is. yeah i'll do that now. my two year old or four year olds, like in the way back. i mean, that might be nice. sounds like a great idea. >> you never know. >> you do appreciate their benevolence. all right

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