agendas. after the country voted for change, we should note that this rivian loan that they are paying close attention to, which would fund a factory in georgia, a red state, was in the works some two years ago, but taking a step back and looking the looking at the bigger picture here this really is a move that's outside of the norms, where you're talking about looking at clawing potentially back billions of dollars already committed by the federal government as a way to cut costs and cut spending by a new administration. >> john very quickly, renee, what's the latest in terms of what's expected from these meetings today right so vivek ramaswamy and elon musk will be on capitol hill they're meeting with republican lawmakers in the house and the senate. >> that's the beginning of this relationship where they're working together to figure out a game plan for how they will take on this very big task of dramatically cutting down

government spending. so this is just the beginning stages of that partnership, john. all right. >> rene marsh in washington, thank you. so much. brand new hour of cnn news central starts right now new reporting on the words of a killer left on bullet casings at the scene of the crime. >> what? depose and delay mean now for the manhunt and the investigation into the murder of the ceo of america's largest health insurance company. blunt and uncomfortable questions are now being asked of donald trump's pick to be defense secretary. are you an alcoholic? did you embezzle money? some of the questions coming at pete hegseth and he's back on the hill today to face more. and it's almost the end of the year, which means it's time for our favorite cultural phenomenon. spotify's wrapped is upon us. women dominated the charts, but who came out on top to borrow my favorite john berman ism, maybe it rhymes with taylor swift. i'm kate baldwin with

john berman sara is out today. this is cnn news central right now, the race to catch a killer in new york city with new clues. this morning, after the brazen murder of unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson thompson yesterday just right on the sidewalk in the morning in manhattan, several law enforcement officials now tell cnn that two words delay and depose, were found at the scene depose, written on a shell casing from a round that was fired into the victim. delay written on a live round not fired, but ejected when the shooter appeared to be clearing a jam. there's also new video of the encounter and police say show the killer who planned the attack targeted this man and had experience with guns. let's get right to cnn's brynn gingras who was here giving us all of the breaking news as the details were just beginning to come in

yesterday morning. you've been gathering details since. what's the latest this hour, brian yeah. >> kate. well, that you know, is a big piece of evidence that they uncovered there. according to our sources from john miller, just because it might possibly point to some sort of motive here. if you talk about those two words, investigators are trying to connect the dots and see if it has anything to do with the fact that brian thompson was the ceo of unitedhealthcare did it have to do with insurance because of the popular phrasing in the insurance industry of delay deny and defense? so that is something that is being asked by investigators right now. but that's not the only thing. the only piece of evidence, rather that of course, that investigators are looking into. we know that there was a lot of things that were left behind by this suspect that right now police are trying to determine if they can get dna off of fingerprints, running forensics on them, trying, of course, to get closer to getting a name. and of course, we are asking our sources, are they any closer to getting a name in addition to finding this person

responsible, let's also talk about a little bit more of the threats that police are hearing were made against brian thompson. according to sources of mine, i was told that they were some concerning threats that the investigators had come across really his their security team for unitedhealthcare had come across made against the entire company of unitedhealthcare their the ceos, the executive team. and that was something that was being looked at. according to nbc, the widow of brian thompson they told she told nbc that she knew about some threats and said, quote i don't know details. i just know that he said there were some people that had been threatening him. so this is also something that is of concern. and what is being investigated at this time so a lot of threads here, a lot of search warrants going on. we know that there was a search warrant of the hotel across the street where thompson was staying. in that room we also know that investigators are still piecing together that timeline. we know that

according to sources telling john miller, that that suspect left the upper west side early yesterday morning, heading downtown, getting off at the 57th street subway, and stopped at a starbucks, bought two powerbars, bought a water bottle before actually committing this brazen, really execution. and investigators were able to get that water bottle and hopefully again, are trying to see if there's any dna that can get off of that. >> so a lot of stuff going on this morning, but no idea just yet if they are any closer to finding who is responsible for this horrific killing guys. >> yeah. and we'll definitely be standing by to see, wait for and hope for another update press conference from the nypd. at some point soon. it's great to see you, brian. thank you john all right. >> with us now, cnn national security analyst juliette kayyem and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe and andy let's just start with these words. i mean, delay and depose. what a what a big development to have something like this a message, a literal

message from a killer yeah, it's really fascinating, john. >> it doesn't quite identify the person at this point, but it's a bit of a tantalizing detail. i mean, as as brian just noted in her piece, it raises some questions as to whether or not those words are a reference to kind of insurance speak, and that would that would, of course, point in the direction that this person was somehow. well, it was certainly personally invested in this murder. um, and that, you know, might be a disgruntled customer of the company, could be a disgruntled employee. and i'm sure that investigators are already looking in those areas. and of course, looking at the threat information that apparently the company had been receiving for some time about this specific victim and other potential victims on the on the team. but those words can also provide forensic significance later on in the case. if someone is

detained and has writings in which those words appear in kind of the same context, you could have matches that way. and of course you could render. you might be able to render a fingerprint or dna evidence off of those rounds, and casings as well. so very, very important piece of evidence for the investigators. >> yeah. to be clear, those words delay and depose and also deny is occasionally thrown in there as well or is very much used by critics of the health insurance industry. there are books written, as you know. read it. you don't have to do many searches to figure out that that would be a message about health insurance. given this message. yeah. given all the footage now juliette, are you surprised we don't have a name? at least a name that we're not being told yet. yeah. >> in fact, the fact that we're entering day two and that his exit was so sophisticated not only confirms what we already know that this was not just a targeted killing, but a professional killing. >> i mean, just the just the specificity of it. his calmness when he reloads a gun and now

that he's missing suggests he was smart enough to have some sort of exit strategy. 24 hours later, you can't even confirm that he's still in the state anymore. and that will make it harder. we don't know if in the next couple hours the nypd says that he hasn't. but i think what this is showing is, is that, first of all, we should just remind brian thompson is a 50 year old man with a wife and two children. so all the stuff about health care and everything bad about health care is just ridiculous at this stage. he is a 10% of all doctors have some touchpoint with his company, with a unitedhealthcare. in other words, this is such a vast web of associations and lots of people are probably angry at him. it's a customer service business. lots of people will be angry and he's the touchpoint he's the focal point as the ceo of that company. and and so there's a lot of there's a lot of people in that pool. >> i mean, if you were running a health care company. yeah. would you be getting protection right now if i were i mean

okay, so now this is going back looking at those videos. >> not only does he not have a detail, he he appears to have no staff. i've never seen anything like that for a company that large, it may be that they that that he's always under threats. people are always mad at an insurance company. i spent a lot of time yesterday with people who are in executive protection. everyone is ratcheting up until they know health care and other service industries where people are mad angry, disappointed. on the other end are ones in which ceos are going to look for more protection. >> all right, andy, juliette, use the phrase professional killer that may be art or science here but how would you describe the level of skill in terms of the killing itself and also the getaway and what that means about who this person might be, and also the manhunt itself sure. >> so we don't know at this point if it's a, you know, a professional act, meaning

someone who was hired to commit this murder, it's possible, but we don't know that just yet. what we do know is extremely well organized highly planned sophisticated attack from everything we've seen so far from the fact that he was seen carrying the battery to the e-bike which raises the question of maybe he pre-positioned the e-bike before the attack to stage it for his getaway. the fact that he showed up at the perfect time, which was really a weird time to have the ceo showing up for this conference an hour and 20 minutes early. but he knew that the guy would be in that place at that time, which tells you he probably possibly did some surveillance to make that determination. his approach to the target letting the target pass first and approaching him only from behind where the victim wouldn't see him first. and you know, raise alarm and then the way he walks through the shooting clearly very accomplished shooter. somebody who's done some training, he has the right stance. he has the right grip

on the gun. he cycles through the the jam in the firearm like it's nothing. and that's a clear indication of a high degree of training so yeah, this this guy was no joke. and um, clearly thought about this, organized it very well and executed it according to plan how long could someone like that hide andy, do you think you know, i think it's fair to assume that he put just as much thought and preparation and organization into his escape plan. i mean, the e-bike was really brilliant. it's an easy way to get around quickly. you don't get snarled in traffic jams. you can actually ride the bike into the park, which you wouldn't be able to do with a vehicle in the same way. um, so that was great he's got the big backpack on it likely has a change of clothes in it. i would guess that as soon as he got a moment or some cover he took off that coat and the mask and the things that could identify him and likely walked out of the park in a totally

different appearance. and blended right in with the crowds of tourists and people going to work. so, um he could be on the run for quite some time now. he's being chased by probably the best police force in the united states of america. maybe anywhere they have an amazing video surveillance network to rely on. they've been very good about getting the information out to the public to get all these public eyes looking around and thinking and calling in tips. so i think they will get him eventually. but this could take a while. yeah. >> all right. juliette kayyem andrew mccabe. thanks to both of you. so brand new federal report accuses the memphis police department of treating black people more harshly than white people. the latest on the investigation to come out of the death of tyree nichols. and visibly drunk at work events in downing stale beers on the job. what some of pete hegseth former colleagues are reportedly now saying about him as he fights to get the top job at the pentagon cnn heroes on all star tribute meet and celebrate the honorees then

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embezzle money? let's get right to cnn's kristen holmes, who is in west palm beach, florida, this morning. where do things stand in mar-a-lago and their views of where hess is, how he is doing well, jon, much of this indication might be from what hegseth just said to our cnn team as he entered into the hill. >> he said he just got off the phone with donald trump and that trump. trump said he supports him fully. and that's what i'm hearing from sources behind the scene. as well. they say that as of right now, of course, anything can change on a dime. donald trump is still offering up support for hegseth. they say that this is because one, these allegations, many of them are on background but two is because they see a pathway to seeing hegseth get confirmed. they argued to me that hegseth right now is in a very different place than attorney general nominee matt gaetz was when he withdrew his name, meaning donald trump continued to talk to senators about gaetz and realize that some of these hard nosed weren't going to change. i had

one trump world adviser telling me just moments ago that they don't believe there's any hard knows right now when it comes to hegseth. are people hedging? yes. but has anyone told them or told the transition team? told jd vance, who's a big fan of hegseth, and talking to all these senators that they would not definitively vote for hegseth the answer right now they are saying is no. which means donald trump is going to continue to stand by him as long as that math remains there. but as you noted, there are a lot of allegations swirling around now, particularly involving his drinking. we expect that to come up again when he's on the hill today. he did address this in an interview yesterday. here's what he said first of all, i've never had a drinking problem. >> i don't i'm never no one's ever approached me and said, oh you you should really look at getting help for a drink. never. i've never sought counseling, never sought help. i respect and appreciate people who who do of course, the other thing to keep in mind here is that is that hegseth is meeting with a

series of various senators today, donald trump's going to be watching closely. >> we'll see if he still believes that hegseth can get confirmed by the end of the day yeah. >> also saying that he won't drink at all if he is confirmed as defense secretary, which is an interesting promise kristen holmes in palm beach. keep us posted as new developments come in. >> kate joining us right now is democratic strategist and consultant simon rosenberg. and former trump administration official matt myers it's good to see you guys. so matt politico is labeling all of this as pete hegseth last stand and putting it this way in terms of the approach that we've been seeing, donald trump's choice to lead the pentagon is in the middle of an all out media blitz. there was a consistent message across all of his appearances. hegseth and allies blamed the press for what he dubbed the classic art of the smear and casting himself in the role of an unflinching soldier as he vowed not to back down, attacking the attacking reporters for reporting on the facts of the past and allegations that do exist is definitely an approach we have seen also before. do you think this approach is

going to save him? matt yeah well, actually it's been a successful approach for many political figures over time but look, i've been talking to folks on the transition. >> they truly believe that there's momentum on their side in this nomination that pete hegseth has turned a corner by being willing to engage with any senator and take any question. and in fact a lot of folks like to see the fight and the grit that he's showing right now the fact that he's willing to go out there and engage, um, you know, by putting his thoughts down and op ed, the fact that he's willing to engage with every single senator, i mean, at the end of the day, we're not selecting the captain of the kickball team. we're selecting someone who's going to be the secretary of defense. we want to see them fight, and he's fighting for this nomination. it's a sign of his tenacity. and there's a strong belief that he'll get confirmed. and you got to remember another piece of this, which is pete hegseth has a strong connection to republican voters from his time on fox news. those republican voters are certainly letting senators know how they feel about this nomination. and

those voters are standing with donald trump's selection of pete hegseth for secretary of defense. >> you make a very important point with your line. we're not electing. we are not looking to confirm the captain of the kickball team because it leads to something i wanted to ask you about simon, the questions that a transition source is saying that pete hegseth is being asked in these meetings with senators are things like, are you an alcoholic? are you a womanizer? and did you embezzle money on that last one? it's something that seems somewhat to be escaping under the radar with these more salacious details that are being discussed and alleged. he's accused of financial mismanagement of a veterans organization, and he would be taking on a department with a budget of more than $800 billion. this came up in my political conversation yesterday which is is are democrats kind of keep like taking their eye off the ball in terms of questioning qualifications? is this a failing by democrats for not raising this

no. >> listen, it's in it's early days here. i think it's very unlikely that pete hegseth survives this i mean, there's just too many things and they're too serious. i mean, he wouldn't be a serious candidate to be the head of any organization in the country. given what we've learned over the last few weeks. and to your point, the financial mismanagement is really significant given that he's being the job that he's being put up for is the head of one of the largest government agencies in the world. and so the other thing that's going to come out, right, i mean, we've already heard these things, but he also has taken very extreme positions on policy. he's come out against nato, he's come out for pardoning war criminals in a time of war i think this is a troubled nomination. i would be surprised if he makes it in the coming weeks. and i think it's another sign of trump sort of stumbling out of the box. and i think misreading his mandate. i think some of these picks many of his picks have been kind of mainstream republican picks for

his cabinet. but there have been a few that have been extreme. and i think he overreached here. and he's made some mistakes and i think this is one of them. >> you know, the one thing and this is and this is kind of to your point, matt, when you were saying that there is momentum there and i want to move on, but kristen holmes has this great reporting she just put out, put out and why they within the trump orbit. they think this is different than gaetz because they had hard nosed that were known against matt gaetz. and here the way this one adviser puts it to kristen, i don't think there's a single actual no on the gop side of the senate right now math is math is math until you change it. so we will see. but let me ask you about a different form of math and a very important one, which is government efficiency and cutting the federal budget. matt. today, elon musk in vivek ramaswamy, they're making their first real doge moves by heading to capitol hill and meeting with key republicans to talk about government efficiency and cutting and cutting the cutting the budget, being more efficient. at one point, musk said that he can cut $2 trillion from the federal budget ramaswamy was

asked yesterday about the biggest line items in the federal budget medicare, medicaid social security. here's what he said a lot of the political philosophical musing about whether or not we should be cutting entitlements or not, or whether or not the president can impound funds. >> it's a deflection from the fact that there's a lot lower hanging fruit in terms of waste fraud, abuse, error, program integrity failures that you got to go after first. >> that's not going to add up to 2 trillion or even close entitlements and mandatory spending is like 60% of the federal budget. social security, medicare, medicaid account for 75%, essentially of all mandatory spending. i say this and wave my arms around to say the thing that we all know, which is how can they do any of what they are trying to do without going after entitlements that well look, i'm appreciative of the fact that they have an aspirational goal. >> as someone who's served in the federal government, serving the state department under president trump, i'll tell you

there is plenty to go after everything from head counts to program waste to honestly just programs that, you know, don't actually get to the result that you're trying to. and so even if they don't get to a full $2 trillion, there's going to be plenty for them to actually look at. there's be plenty to reduce. and that's a good thing. and look, you've got private sector advisers willing to volunteer their time to bring the best and brightest around to do an audit of the federal government that's a good thing. we should welcome it. it's a heck of a lot better than paying some massive firm like mckinsey. you know tons of money to tell you essentially the same thing. or maybe actually nothing at all. and if it's the case of new york city, they paid mckinsey 4 million bucks to tell them the trash cans work so i wonder how effective that would be. anyway i'm glad to see some of the best and brightest stepping up to the plate volunteering their time. i know vivek, they're doing a lot of good work down at the doge team right now, and i know they're recruiting some more folks to help them. >> look, we can all be we're all pro government efficiency, that's for sure. but i have learned and i'm going to add this to my list of different

ways to say no comment in doge is to say, everyone's got to love aspirational goals. i am loving this, matt. well played simon. we'll pick back up with this a little later you know, any day, any time. >> kate i have a lot of aspirational goals, my friend. >> thank you so much, guys. all right. we got to get to some breaking. we got to get to some breaking news coming in. we are getting new details about where the suspect in the murder of the unitedhealthcare ceo may have been staying. much more coming in after the break this holiday season, find the perfect gift at cnn underscored from the latest fashion to expert approved tech to the best beauty finds. >> discover it all at underscore. com where are you headed? >> where am i headed? >> am i just going to take what the market gives me? >> no, i can do some research. >> you know that's backed by jp morgan's leading strategists like us. >> when you want to invest with more confidence, the answer is jp morgan wealth management.

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but we do have breaking news just in on the manhunt for the suspect who shot and killed a health care ceo in manhattan. >> just over 24 hours ago. let's get right to cnn's brynn gingras, who is following this news. and this is a search at an alocation. brian, what can you tell us yeah, right now we're learning from a source that, john, that its investigators are might have or have conducted a search of a hospital on the upper west side of manhattan. >> now, last time i talked to you, remember, we talked about how police have been conducting some search warrants. we know that they did a search warrant at the hotel where thompson was staying. and now we're learning possibly where the suspect was staying. at an address on the upper west side, we're hearing from a source that it was a hostel. now, this does fit somewhat of the timeline that we also were hearing right, that he traveled early yesterday morning from the upper west side, possibly on the subway, carrying possibly an e-bike battery with him that

he might have positioned closer here to the scene where i am, and then visiting that starbucks where police see on video that he purchased a water bottle and also to power bars before carrying out this murder. so this is a big development. of course, it's unclear exactly what they might have found in that search but it does point to the fact that possibly investigators are getting closer to identifying who this suspect is. and then, of course, the big question is where is that person now? so again, a lot of investigative threads that are being searched right now including the fact of what what possibly could have been uncovered inside of this hostel address on the upper west side of manhattan. yeah. >> look, if they have a hostel, they have a room at the hostel. they have a name associated with the room at the hostel whether or not it's a real name or not. we don't know. and then it also lends to the possibility that this person didn't have a home, or at least wasn't staying at a home. his home in new york. so that could mean any number of things. all right. brynn gingras this is an

important development. i'm sure there will be more. so keep us posted. in the meantime, we're standing by for a press conference on a new federal report just released about the memphis police department that determined its officers regularly violate the rights of people they are sworn to serve that's a direct quote. the 17th month long investigation began after tyree nichols was beaten to death after he ran from memphis officers during a traffic stop last year. let's get right to cnn's nick valencia for the latest on the report nick. >> yeah, this is a scathing report. >> and as you mentioned, john, the investigation was launched after the brutal beating death of tyree nichols. >> the video which many of us saw that showed officers repeatedly punching, dragging and kicking nichols, nichols and then milling around as his motionless body lay on the ground. >> the police department came under intense scrutiny. the police chief did as well. >> c.j. davis, who was black for their patterns and practices. >> and that's what this federal report looked into the use of force, the patterns and practices of arrests and traffic stops. was there discriminatory policing going on in memphis and what this federal report found, among

other things, is that unconstitutional acts were actually approved by supervisors after the fact. let's get into part of what this report says. >> it says this is what the feds are saying. >> our review of a random sample of force incidents showed that the mpd officers regularly escalate encounters involving nonviolent offenses and use unreasonable force against unarmed people who pose no threat. officers punch kick and tackle people just moments into an encounter without justification. officers are they use disproportionate force against people who have committed at most minor offenses, such as traffic infractions and use of force, even after people are restrained. and now this report found that black people are treated more harshly than their white peers when they conduct in similar acts, and that officers regularly violate the rights of people that they're sworn to protect. >> so this report is shocking on the surface. >> but perhaps what's equally shocking is the response from the city attorney the city attorney seems to say in their

response that they're not worried about consequences for not abiding by a consent decree. and this is what they're saying. and part of that statement, until the city of memphis has had the opportunity to review, analyze and challenge the specific allegations that support your forthcoming findings, report the city cannot and will not agree to work toward or enter into a consent decree that will likely be in place for years to come and will cost the residents of memphis hundreds of millions of dollars. now, the question begs, you know begs the question, are they just waiting for a change in leadership at the department of justice? in 2016, almost immediately after trump took office, he abandoned these types of monitoring agreements and told police departments that they did not have to abide by these court ordered monitoring arrangements. so more to come. and this press conference, just about 25 minutes away from getting the details of this scathing federal report. john. >> yeah, the timing of it very interesting. all right. nick valencia, thank you very much. so the woman who snuck past multiple security checkpoints to stow away on a flight to paris is in a new york courtroom this morning. the

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little shot of sabrina carpenter's espresso for you this morning why? >> well, because we like it. but also because it had more than 1.6 billion streams on spotify. this year. the most streamed song according to spotify's wrapped list of 2024. this is the ever popular, ever almost hilarious cultural phenomenon that shows you just how strange your listening habits have evolved over the last 12 months. the most streamed artist i see you waiting down the hall from me and i could see you up against the wall with me what would you do? t.swift for a second year she was streamed more than 26.6 billion times globally tay-tay as my girls like to call her and thanks to them also is also topped my most streamed rap list. i have lost control of my spotify friends other top artists on that list. the weekend, bad bunny, drake and billie eilish. this year, spotify is doing also something

fun, assigning basically seemingly random assortments of names to different phases of your listening habits. it's like a wacky word salad. joining us right now to talk all about this is shane o'donoghue, host of the boston globe today. shagun, it's great to see you. my favorite one. where's mine i'll pull it up. here's my favorite word salad that i had which was it was oh i wrote it down wild west banjo bluegrass that really embodies me. that embodies me. that's for sure i'm talk to me about this year's list. what do you think of it well, i think it's a who's who's list. >> susan you've got, you know, the bad bunnies, the drakes. sabrina carpenter, the taylor swift's but i was more interested not only in the artist, but the songs that made the spotify rap list, because nowadays people listen to music playlist style, right? it's all a la carte. so you had newcomers like teddy

swims, who? i'm a big fan of. you had songs like too sweet from hozier, so i like the eclectic nature of the songs that made the rap list. and of course kendrick lamar. you know, his beef with drake kind of took the latter part of the year by storm so i understand your word salad, but you factor in beyonce shaboozey there are artists that we knew, there were artists that we got to know, and so it was just a list for someone who, you know, a little bit of column a, a little bit of column b, i was, i was a fan is is beyonce even on the list? >> i keep first of all, full honesty, full disclosure, i feel like honesty is the best policy. >> you guys, i know you're all in love with john berman. you might fall a little out of love with him. this is making me sad today. >> i don't have spotify and until about six minutes ago i didn't know what a rap list even was. so. so i come at this from from the outside, which sometimes gives important perspective. yes, yes maybe not today. let's frame it that way. but is beyonce not on this list? and what does that tell us? >> john, you might not be you might not be allowed back in

boston if you don't know what a spotify list is. >> right. like i'm keeping the seat warm. you know, you might not be able to cross the bridge well, the j. >> geils band, cars, aerosmith they'll be on like, the boston rap list but where is she where is beyonce doing well. >> listen, she's peerless, so she exists beyond list, right? if you want to know what list she's on, she's on billboard's list as the best pop artist of the of the 21st century. so spotify has its list. and then billboard said you know what? the queen bee is beyond list. and that's where she is so extreme. if you want to but beyonce exists, you know, beyond all of that that is perfect. >> a perfect answer. one of the one of the things that kind of tickled me and made me laugh was the way that the spotify and the press release put it, because it kind of gets to like, why do we all love this so much? is my question, since its inception, spotify wrapped has continued to evolve. every

year it reaches more fans around the world. over the past decade, we've learned that our users crave a unique, personalized way to reflect on their listening habits. each year, and artists and creators want to learn more about how their fans streamed. why do we love this so much well we love it so much because it's a it's a representation of who we are right? >> it's the artist that we are streaming. and when you're streaming, this is you by yourself. so we love to see a song that we like or an artist that we follow represented in these year end lists and as i said, it shows that we kind of lean towards the most popular. right. it's the usual suspects. the weeknd is usually always up there. drake is always up there. you know taylor kind of lives on the list. so you it it shows us who we are. and again people like to see themselves represented. representation matters and these wrap up lists represent a little bit of each, every one of us. so it's i really do

feel it's a complete list of everyone even though you might have someone higher or lower based on your personal preference you're still seeing music and artists that represent you. >> yeah, mine is super eclectic. from my top songs, lose control by teddy swims, as you were talking about, fell in love with him. rise son. one of the best songs you played that for me. that's a great song. infamous stringdusters. hey boys um, the shaboozey song. because obviously we all need more whiskey um. home by good neighbors and beautiful things by benson boone beautiful things is the best. like screaming in the car song of all times. and this really is it's. i agree, it's just fun to look at like all the phases of kate once bloody. >> yeah, you are. you are basically talking earworms, right? the teddy swims from my five year old daughter knows the chorus to that song right you know, shaboozey brought back an old classic of everybody get tipsy and turned it country. i mean he he he just blew that out of the

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