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at the end we take over in january and until then, the big government democrats are still in charge and they're spending money in our view, recklessly and so, yes, we've had a lot of discussions over the last couple of days about what our authority would be to claw some of that back and to stop it. >> it's a serious challenge, and we need to stop it and expose what's happening. that's what this effort will be about going forward. there is an enormous amount of waste, fraud and abuse in the government, and i think everyone knows that intuitively. and so the efforts here, both with our subcommittees that are being created here and with the doge effort itself will be to to explore that, to investigate it and lay it bare for the american people to see. i think that's how we'll begin to bring about the change that we all need so this is an ongoing effort? yes speaker. >> mr. speaker some labor unions are already fighting back. >> they've already signed contracts to try and get this, that they should be able to work from home, things like that. your reaction to that? >> well, there was a report that came out today. i don't

know if you all have seen it, but someone did a little survey of how many federal employees are actually working in the office. by one estimate, it may be about 1%. if you don't count the security personnel that are covering these buildings. that is absurd and it's not something the american people would stand for. and so one of the first things that i think you'll see is a demand from the new administration and from all of us in congress that federal workers return to their desks and get back to the work that they're supposed to be doing. i think that is common sense what you're going to see here, the overriding theme here is a return to common sense and a return to turn to accountability and efficiency in government. i think that's going to serve the people well. there'll be a lot. there'll be a lot more to tell you all in the days ahead. thanks for being here. thanks for being conflict of interest. >> mr. eum, we are expecting to hear momentarily from vivek ramaswamy and elon musk. or maybe they just walked away to be all right. a little. they walked off. drive by as johnson was saying, there they are expected to meet with both house and senate republicans at all of the members have been

invited and that he does believe that there will be a good showing among those lawmakers. >> yeah, but he's at he's been asked the tough question. i want to bring in mark preston to talk about this. he's being asked, how do you cut $2 trillion, which is the number that elon musk put on what he thinks they can cut from 6.75 trillion in annual spending so you're talking about a third of the government without touching social security, medicare and medicaid. the answer if you ask anyone who knows about the math of budgeting is you can't. >> okay so let me acknowledge that i failed. my only class i ever failed was you can fail it and still know that it's incorrect. basic algebra. i don't know if you can feel that, but i feel that in college and even i know that there's no way you're going to be able to get to that number unless you do cut social security and medicare. that's why we discussed this. whenever we're talking in politics, we call it the third rail of politics. the third rail on a train is electrified. you do

not touch it. so that is why we discuss it that way look, there has to be some in efficiencies that has to be brought to the government, no question about that. but, you know, the first 100 days is interesting. we always measure the first 100 days of how the president is doing and the proposals he gets through. we're now going to be measuring the first 100 days of what trump does to the department of justice, and where he cuts government down. it's going to be an interesting one. >> mark, are you surprised at how supportive johnson is of this effort? i mean, we keep reminding our audience that this is not a real department, that at the end of the day this is congress that will that will be charged with this, with republicans in charge of both houses of congress come january isn't the natural stance for the republican house speaker to essentially tell outsiders, we got this like, this is our job but and yet he seems to be very supportive of this musk ramaswamy effort. >> i think the last republican we saw do that in washington was john boehner. and, you know, since then we have now or

maybe, maybe excuse me paul ryan, forgive me for that but what we've seen now is that we're no longer talking about the republican party. we're talking about the make america great again party. and i know a lot of people think that the republican party is going to come back. the good old days of the reagan years in the 80s. and in all of that legacy, well, it's not so yes. you know, the speaker has very little margin in the house right now to get anything done and more importantly, donald trump just has to say, i don't want him to be speaker. and he's gone. >> and let's go to rene marsh on capitol hill, who is the one who asked that all important question of speaker johnson at the beginning how do you approach this problem without touching these entitlement programs that when lawmakers touch them? renee, it's almost like political suicide we've seen that before. they even talk about touching them. tell us about this. and also, we didn't get to hear from elon musk and vivek ramaswamy themselves that's right so,

brianna, it has been a whirlwind here on capitol hill as these two billionaire men who are tasked with streamlining the federal government make their way through the hallways here for various meetings with members of congress, we saw elon musk walking with his young son on his shoulders throughout the hallways here and just a short time ago, we did hear from speaker johnson who is about to convene a meeting with the two men where he calls it a brainstorming session, where they are essentially talking about ideas as to how they can make these dramatic cuts to federal government spending i don't think that there's any debate that that both sides believe democrats and republicans believe that if waste can be cut, it should be cut. >> but this doge team that president-elect trump has put together the department of government efficiency at the helm is elon musk. and vivek ramaswamy. they are saying that they would cut some $2 trillion. so that was my

question to the speaker is that something that will be discussed? will there be sort of a reality check moment here when they are in those rooms behind closed doors with these members as to what is truly realistic as you made that point, a vast majority of the federal government spending is for programs like social security medicare, medicaid. so how does one cut $2 trillion without cutting into those programs, which many americans support? that is the big question not getting many answers. there as far as elon musk and vivek ramaswamy, they're walking through the halls, they're walking by the cameras, but they're not saying anything today, not giving them, um, many comments. uh however, elon musk did say that the meetings are going well here on the hill today, and that's about the level of what we've received from the two men. but again this is just a starting point. this will be a partnership. as you know doge is not a formal government entity they will be working outside of the federal

government. so they will need congress as partners to do any of these recommendations to make these cuts, whether it's to the federal workforce or to any of these government agencies. they will need congress as their partners to do this sort of work, which is a huge undertaking brianna. so that is what we have here. those men are all behind closed doors as we speak we will be sticking around here to see if we can get something on the other side of the meeting, which is slated. it was slated to begin at 3:00, but they're all behind closed doors right now, so perhaps they're getting underway a bit earlier but that is the situation here with these again, two billionaire men tasked with streamlining the federal government, meeting with members of congress, all republican members of congress, to figure out a game plan for how they will do this. back to you. >> so interesting. they have the game plan but the political cost of it will not be theirs to bear. so we'll see what happens. rene marsh live for us on the hill. thank you. i want to go now to kara swisher, who

is joining us. kara you of course longtime tech journalist. you've covered elon musk for decades and you've referred to doge as the department of grandstanding edgelords. i wonder what you think right now of this spectacle. you're seeing on the hill, even as we're not hearing from elon musk? >> actually, i mike johnson, was more of a of a of a grandstander right there. and in fact, full of a lot of incorrect things. by the way people, i'm a math gal, so the national debt grew 8.1 trillion during donald trump's presidency the largest four year increase in the nation's history. this is a problem for all of us. for both sides of the aisle, for everyone, for the american citizenry, and to make it like the government doesn't work at all. everyone in government is a fraud is not how you go into something where you have the real intent of actually doing better for the american public and the american taxpayer. now, i would like that to happen as an

american taxpayer, pay a lot of taxes, probably less than those billionaires do in terms of real in real terms. but but what has to happen here is not the grandstanding, but the really hard work of figuring out how to make government more efficient and i think it's fine to do this. i think it's a great idea. i just there's a lot of hand-waving here. there's a lot of insulting government workers, some of whom are great, some of whom aren't. just like in companies. and the idea that there's a silver bullet just because these two billionaires who can cut it will can do this here this is not their company where they they reign like kings this is the government that has to also serve the people. so it has to be done carefully and to turn it into this kind of spectacle seems beneath the goal here, which is to have a better deal for the american public. >> and whatever their recommendations are, it's they're not going to bear the political brunt of that. right these lawmakers that they're advising are going to have to, i wonder i wonder what you

think about you know, their understanding of what can be cut and what kind of skills they're bringing from their professional capacity into this i'm not so sure, because, you know, you could look at some of elon musk's businesses that are run pretty well and others that aren't. >> twitter he just fired everyone and that. and the thing is declined in every, every single metric except that he uses it for influence so that might be a positive thing for him personally. and it has been, by the way his wealth has increased $70 billion since trump was elected. for a small investment of $120 million is what he did there. i think it's really important to start to identify efficiency in government and moving it into, in fact, the digital age, there's so much stuff that we can do with ai with government services, with payments that could really clean things up. but to do this, the democrats spend too much money. in fact, it was the republicans who did. and it's what's the point anyway? they all spend too much money, right and i think it's

really important to be thinking about that. what are the best ways to do this and create a better service for the american public without having to demonize government workers or say it doesn't work at all. hate government. government does a good job in a lot of ways and not a good job. and if they're going to do a $600 toilets kind of thing or the wrench that cost $1 million, i don't. they've done this before. the grace commission and nothing came of it because it wasn't a serious attempt to cut costs in a way that's responsible and so, i mean, i sound like a dull person, but this should be this should be easy in many ways. and it shouldn't be a spectacle it's not. maybe it takes that to get people focused on it, but the minute they come into mike johnson's constituency and start to cut, you're going to see a very different story from him. for example coy wire anyone anyone's constituency. >> then you start hearing them. i do wonder so you've also you've covered all these silicon valley bigwigs and they're chiming in, they're jockeying for influence. you

heard bezos yesterday saying he's very optimistic about a second trump administration. trump seems to have a lot of energy around reducing regulation. zuckerberg monday says he wants to help shape tech policy. you even had bezos saying he's going to try to talk trump out of the idea that the news media is an enemy. um you and you write about this in your yeah. you write about this in your recent book. also, the evolution of these guys, which is so interesting. so i wonder, like, is this the same old, same old or is this something new, the way you see these guys trying to influence the president elect. >> i would rather have a janitor influencing him than all billionaires around him. they have all their own interests. in bezos case, he's trying to get more government contracts and he's worried about elon musk. same thing with mark zuckerberg. he doesn't want to get. he was threatened with prison by trump, and now he's having dinner with him great i get it. he has shareholders these people all have shareholder interests in their own personal wealth. i would like to see a wider range of people advising

president trump or president elect trump, because you get a lot more points of view. why? why is it only billionaires, all of whom have personal interests including elon, who has, i think $15 billion in federal contracts well, wow, what should we cut of his? is there stuff that he's doing that's inefficient? i mean, it's just to me letting the foxes into the henhouse, only foxes is a you know, what happens to the chickens in that situation. so i think it should be a more wide ranging thing. it's not good. and look, i don't some of them are good some of them are bad. but do they do billionaires have the billionaires with enormous self-interest. have the only answers for the american public? you know johnson looked like he couldn't like he was looking at a celebrity or something. and that's i find it i find it discomforting. i would say there are a lot of people including a lot of voters, who look at elon musk as a celebrity, someone they certainly have on a pedestal. >> so we'll see what happens. >> kara swisher entrepreneur. yeah, let me just say great entrepreneur probably has great ideas, but he doesn't have the

only ideas. and i welcome it to work. i wish i hope they don't do a grandstanding situation where nothing happens. >> yeah, we'll see ahead if it transitions into something more productive and less performative. kara swisher thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. thanks brianna. >> ahead, lawmakers on the house ethics committee are meeting right now with plans to vote on releasing a report about allegations against now former congressman matt gaetz. as house democrats try to force the report's release. plus, how president biden's outgoing white house is plotting to protect some of the people who could be targets of trump's retribution when he takes office and why one of the country's biggest health insurance companies plans to limit the amount of anesthesia that patients can use during surgeries and procedures. those stories, and more ahead on cnn news central when you're the leader in disaster cleanup and

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so don't count 50. count it 45 and and be to the good here. but this was a very strong quake. very shallow as well that we think the depths have been changing up and down as they're kind of evaluating what this earthquake truly did. now there was most of the shaking on land here. of course not that far from fort bragg, but this is the area that could also see the waves from this so we're not i can't tell you what that is or that just to me, looks like the pacific ocean. i don't see a tsunami there, but it would be impossible to tell you what that looks like from this far up in the sky. i don't see inundation looks like just normal waves here. this is still northern california here. coast so you're going to need to be away from the water at this point in time. this is the time you need to get away. fort bragg, you probably already saw your waves. and so now as you get down along the coast, a little bit of a longer lead, time for you to get away from the coast. there in northern california, this would be considered a strong to a very

strong quake. so this was a significant event here for the bottom of the ocean. the ocean moved in a subduction zone likely the cascadia fault area there. and now the waves are coming through it's hard to tell where high tide or low tide would have been here on these pictures. i mean they do look like significant waves coming in, but almost every wave in the pacific ocean looks like a significant wave, especially in the winter time when the big storms off the coast generate significant waves all by themselves. get away from the water. get away from the land, get away from that coastal areas. if yo' ther the bout 40 minutes ago, chad we know that you'll be keeping a close eye on that coastline. we'll come back to you when we know more. thanks very much brianna. >> police in new york city are asking for the public's help identifying a person of interest in the killing of unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson. these are new images

taken inside a hostel where employees say a guest wearing a jacket and mask identical to the gunman's had been staying in the meantime, police are combing through new surveillance video and a key piece of evidence involving the bullets used in the attack that could help point to a motive. cnn's josh campbell is with us now on this story. josh, what are police saying about this person of interest? this is a pretty clear view of his face in this new image. >> that's right. this is a critical development because we can now see the face of this individual of course, before right after the shooting, he was wearing a mask. now you can clearly see it. this was obtained as authorities say, as they were doing a video canvass looking at the pattern of movement of this individual, leading them to a hostel where these images were obtained. an employee at that hostel said that this individual rarely lowered his mask while he was there. but of course, in these images, we actually see that i want to show a side by side

comparison if we can, of one other critical piece of information and kind of putting on my investigators cap where you look at the smile on the left and then obviously the neutral face on the right, people can change, you know, maybe fake when you smile, it's hard to fake how you smile and so they're really appealing to people who might know this individual specifically. like this is someone that i recognize. they want them to actually call law enforcement. and then separately, i think we have another side by side image of not only the hostile picture, but also the incident of the shooting. i want to pay specific attention to the backpack that is being worn now in those images that we just saw you see a black backpack that was at the hostel. and of course, during the shooting, he was wearing what looked to be a white backpack. i was talking with our colleague andy mccabe, who actually told me, right after the shooting, i think i have that exact same backpack there on the left that white one. it's a high end backpack. and so the question will be, was this something that he later procured just to give you an example of how intensive this work is

investigators would likely be trying to determine where that would be sold to determine if someone matching that individual's description actually purchased that between the time of that hostel video, and then obviously of the incident itself. so that's one example of just this labor intensive effort underway certainly. >> and josh, what can you tell us about these? it's a it's a live round and it is a bullet casing that was shell casing that was found. tell us about what they found. and why they think that could speak to a motive yeah. >> you know, in that surveillance footage, that very graphic footage of him actually killing the ceo. you see him racking the slide on that gun as he fires left behind are the spent shell casings. so when you fire a bullet, the shell casing gets ejected. but during what appeared to be a jam of that firearm, a live round was also ejected. authorities say that there was riding on those two items with the words delay and the word depose. now, as investigators have looked at this, this is similar to the vernacular within the insurance

industry that a lot of critics use when they're describing the insurance industry. this phrase delay, deny defend, essentially describing how insurance companies might stonewall claimants from actually getting their collection for payment. and so that is one theory here, which would obviously make this very personal. if this shooter was actually writing those words on the bullet before the ammunition, before actually firing on the ceo but i say one theory, because there is a danger in investigations of getting what's called tunnel vision, where you focus just on one theory at the exclusion of others. in this case, for example, you can imagine that if this was indeed a personal dispute, what better way to try to cover that up than actually making it look like a disgruntled claimant? so we don't have obviously a lot of information on the motive but the critical pieces of information that authorities are now getting as they try to determine why this actually occurred. >> yeah, certainly josh campbell, thank you so much. we appreciate it, alex thanks. >> we want to go back to our

breaking news on that earthquake off the coast of california and oregon with us now is seismologist maureen long. maureen, this 7.0 earthquake, not too long ago, just off the coast of eureka, california. how unusual is an earthquake like this that's right. >> so, you know california, as we all know, is earthquake country, right? so this earthquake occurred in a part of the plate plate tectonic plate boundary system near california, where we know that we have earthquakes fairly frequently, fairly frequently. excuse me. so i would say that this earthquake is you know, not unusual from a geologic standpoint, but certainly unsettling for those who feel strong, shaking so how worried maureen should people be? >> i'm looking at the tsunami warning that has just been put out. some 5 million people under this tsunami warning from davenport, california so that's south of san francisco all the way up to lane line

oregon. so that's quite a bit of that coastline. and it looks like the expected time for this tsunami activity it ranges but started about 15 minutes ago if you will. but but 5 million people under this warning. how worried should they be well certainly they should be aware anytime that we have a tsunami warning. >> that is something to take very seriously. so i would give anyone the advice to, you know heed the advice from noaa, from the tsunami warning to, you know, stay away from the from the shoreline. be. be aware that you may need to evacuate and the reason that these warnings get issued is because there is a chance from an earthquake like this one that happens beneath the the ocean, that we may have a tsunami. so certainly being aware and knowing that a tsunami warning is in effect for that stretch of coastline, very important for everyone right now. >> we just heard our chad myers telling people to stay away from the coastline. is that the best piece of advice? how far

back should people be, and is there anything else that they should be doing when whenever there is a tsunami warning in any in any situation in which there's a tsunami warning, the advice is always to stay back from the coastline and seek higher ground. >> so certainly for for people who are near the coastline, right now in the affected area seek higher ground and go in, go in from the coastline, you know as far as it's practical to do so right now, we we you know, don't yet know what the actual impact of any tsunami that has been triggered is, is going to be will will learn that i think in the next, you know, minutes to hours but for now, always important to heed that warning. stay away from the coastline and move to higher ground if you're in that affected area. >> so i'm looking at the warning for san francisco. it's it's 12:10 p.m. pacific time that there's expected to be tsunami activity. that's about 40 minutes from now. why

does it take so long for that impact to be felt yes. >> so earthquake waves, the shaking, the waves that give us shaking from earthquakes those travel much faster than tsunami waves. so tsunami waves in the ocean, you know, in the open ocean tends to travel about as fast as a as a jet plane flies, whereas earthquake waves travel much faster. and that means that it's, it's, you know, it's easier for us to, to give tsunami warnings because there's a little bit of a, of a time delay there so that's the reason for the kind of the the difference in arrival time between the shaking from the earthquake and any potential tsunami wave that gets triggered. >> and maureen how concerned are you right now about aftershocks well aftershocks are, you know, are part of the phenomenon of having earthquakes. >> so the usgs has has issued already an aftershock forecast for this event so folks can go and look that up on the details

of that up on the usgs website you know, they are forecasting that there's, you know, maybe about a 40% chance of an aftershock larger than about a magnitude 5 or 5 and a half. so certainly it's something that we need to be aware of because this earthquake happened beneath the ocean and not directly under any population centers. it's certainly the most likely scenario is that any aftershocks will be smaller than the initial shock. we can't rule out the possibility of a larger earthquake, but the most likely scenario is that any aftershocks will be smaller. so certainly, again, for folks who are in that affected area, it's good to be aware of the possibility of of aftershocks, because that is something that we we do expect for an earthquake of this size. >> all right. lots of questions. still about what the potential impact of this earthquake may be on land. maureen long. don't go far. we may want to be coming back to you on this breaking news. we're going to keep following it for now. there will be more

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a mile deep, that means the ocean floor moved an awful lot. and if the ocean floor moves, it pushes water. it usually pushes water up. it doesn't matter if it pushes water down water will fill in and waves will still be made. that's why the tsunami warning has been posted from oregon all the way down to san francisco seven zero is a significant shake here, and likely in the cascadia subduction zone we've always known about this, but very close to fort bragg is where the the first shake happened. i've seen some pictures online already where there is some damage to some businesses where bottles are knocked off. but the problem is not that there are 19,000 people without power. so something was shaking up there. certainly we know that but the problem is how much water did this 7.0 actually move? it is a large movement of the ground and considered a strong and right on the edge of a major quake so when the earth is moved close to the bottom of the ocean floor, very close to that, that means a lot of water

got pushed and somewhere in the neighborhood of about 15 of these seven earthquakes happened per year, so one per month. but they typically don't happen so close to land this was not very far offshore. there will be aftershocks. we know that people are already feeling them there, but it's the shallow part of the quake that is the problem. it's the movement of the water. if you're down around san francisco area somewhere probably still another 30 minutes for that wave to arrive. but in closer to northern parts of oregon also, of course, at fort bragg. it happened already about 20 minutes ago. but if you get close to that coast and you don't have a lot of time to get warnings, we know the phones were going off. we know those alarms were going off. and it said, head to higher ground. so hopefully if you needed to head for higher ground, your phone did go off as well. there was the emergency alert system there that went off. but this is part of the ring of fire. brianna. this is expected. we expected the cascadia subduction zone to, well go off one day and maybe today it did. we'll have

to see if the 7.0 holds, and we'll have to see if that depth holds the depth is the problem. >> all right. and this is just it's so important. chad, i should just note that we are looking at some coastal video as you noted. it's always pretty wavy up there off the rugged northern california coast especially in the winter. but we'll be keeping an eye on the waves to see what happens. chad myers, thank you so much. we're going to have more news when cnn news central comes back giving giving that's possible through the power of del i with intel. >> so those who receive can find the joy of giving back new projects means new project managers. >> you need to hire. >> i need indeed indeed you do. >> when you sponsor a job on. indeed, it's easier for talented candidates to find it, which makes it easier for you to hire them. visit indeed.com slash hire psoriatic arthritis

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it's the circumstances and situation here. the president would be offering a safe harbor. i thought jennifer rubin in the washington post this morning did a wonderful explanation of this issue, but it is unclear, john, whether trump will actually act on these promises of revenge. >> so is the possibility that he could reason enough for biden to issue those pardons i think that is his. >> certainly some of his aides have been much more uh, vicious. if you will, in saying they're going to attack his enemies when they get in power. uh kash patel. there's going to be a big issue if he indeed has a confirmation hearing. what does he have in mind? he's issued a list in his book of deep state people that he doesn't see with favor so, you know, i think the broad brush general kind of amnesty that has been offered in the past, we go back to george washington and the whiskey rebellion he

didn't know any of the people who might use the pardon, but he issued it to give them safety. same thing happened with lincoln and andrew johnson during the civil war more recently, jimmy carter did it for draft dodgers during vietnam. so it's not an unusual situation to do this, but it provides protection for people who don't need to be taken and dragged through the criminal process. uh for behavior that has now been forgiven. >> so there is that precedent. how do you think biden's decision to pardon his son hunter factor into this potential decision on these preemptive pardons well, he was i think, a lot of the decision to change his mind because he had been very clear during the campaign he was not going to issue a pardon. >> but when he was brought to his attention how irregular the prosecution had been and how political it had been and what the potential in the future

might hold for his son, he saw the situation, that same situation exists for a lot of people who've done nothing but speak out and participate in the process. from hillary clinton to, uh liz cheney and jack smith, the special counsel and his staff, they don't deserve to be in any of these people nor people in the media like you. and i. >> yeah, a really interesting debate with so much uncertainty ahead. john dean, thank you very much thank you. and up next, we'll be speaking with a city manager in northern california that comes right after that 7.0 earthquake offshore. 5 million people along that long stretch of coastline under a tsunami warning right now. we'll be right back cnn heroes, an all star tribute meet and celebrate the honorees then find out who will be hero of the year. >> plus, a special tribute to

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town, as well as an industrial portion of our town. so that area of town has been evacuated. um the national weather service told us that it was supposed to come around 1115, but there was a 45 minute to an hour window of when it could come. and so we're kind of in a holding pattern right now with those locations evacuated. um i just drove by eureka slough which is attached to the bay, and we're not seeing any evidence of one, but we're still preparing as if it may still come and we are actually looking at some live pictures of the sea off the coast of northern california. >> miles tell us what the quake was like. i mean people in california anyone near the big fault there, they're used to some kind of seismic activity but this was still a pretty big one. what was it like it was. >> i mean, i've been up here for off and on for over 30 years. i would rank this. i

don't even know if it'd make the top five. it was it was rolling. um, we had one last year that was much more significant as far as on land and what it felt like on land. it was a different fault that created that one. um, but this one was was long but not quite as i would say, violent as the previous ones. but um, you know, it was a pretty good one. we're used to it, though, and it's just this particular fault that it came from. can create this tsunami that you don't have much warning for. um, and it can be significant. so we've always known that that was a potential. um but yeah, this one from the ground part of it, i was in my vehicle. so to be honest with you, i didn't really feel it. but according to the people at city hall that i spoke to um, it was pretty good one. >> yep. hard to feel it roll when you're already rolling in your car, but so it sounds like it was more of like a roller

than kind of a shaker. and i say that i'm from. i grew up in southern california, so i've been through a few quakes myself. but it sounds like you're saying this was one that sort of rolled instead of feeling so violent yeah, the other one was much more violent and had a roll that was long and i it was a little over a year ago, but that one was pretty significant we had a lot of damage in that one. >> this one that our car dispatch haven't received a lot of reports of damage or broken gas lines. the previous one, we were inundated with it. we haven't had time because of the evacuation to go out and do windshield surveys to assess damage. but based on the calls that we've received that are dispatched we haven't, um, had anywhere near the the structural damage that we had in the previous one. >> that's really interesting. um, so in your area, as you said, it's sort of common knowledge that you know, at some point, if there's a quake, you may be dealing with tsunami. what what is kind of

the preparation for folks who are right there on the beach? maybe they live there or they operate a business there. what's the awareness level and the i don't know, do they drill for this kind of thing? what do they do? >> yes, we do with our, uh, police and our emergency operations at the county of humboldt um, we do do drills and practice and go trainings related to tsunami response and just general earthquake response. um, as far as the community and notifications, we have signage in all of the tsunami runup areas and that signage tells them either to go to high ground or go to a certain location. and we have a spit on the outside of humboldt bay that has a bunch of dunes, and that is an area of potential for run up to happen. but there's dunes in a close proximity that they could go to high, higher ground to avoid it um, but here in town, which is on the inward bay side of it um, it's, you

know, people have this perception of it being, you know, some way that you can pull out your board and paddle into it's not that type of thing. it's just more of a extreme fluctuation in the tide and it increasing and getting to a level where it can flood the area. but it's not a you know, a big wave that comes in and we can paddle out into. >> yeah. no, definitely worth noting. and did did you get an alert on your cell phone? i mean, is everyone sort of in the affected area alerted that way yeah. >> similar to an amber alert. yeah. and i'm on a i'm on an emergency operations center. sends text message and i get information through the national weather service. so i got multiple not only from just generic national weather service, but also kind of an amber alert style for that as well. >> all right. well miles, listen, thanks for talking to us all the best to you as we wait for this window to close and hopefully nothing happens is obviously the hope. thanks for being with us. >> thank you very much. thanks

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