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that honestly will blow your mind sarah is out today. she's going to regret that. i'm john berman with kate bolduan this is cnn news central we do have breaking news, though just out moments ago, the brand new jobs report and it's a good one. let's get right to cnn's vanessa yurkovich with that. good morning. >> good morning. this is the rebound that economists were looking for. 227,000 jobs added in the month of november after a very dismal october, jobs report, the unemployment rate ticking up slightly to 4.1%. the unemployment rate has been been above 4% for six months now, and so the fed may look at that and say that is a signal that we can cut rates a little bit, see that unemployment rate trending above 4% for some months now i want to zero in on october though because october

we saw 12,000 jobs. added that was because of the boeing strike, because of the two hurricanes that we had we did get revisions but only up by 24,000. so it is really a dismal number for october. about 36,000 jobs added. total that is because maybe there just wasn't a lot of hiring because of these hurricanes. and maybe employers just didn't report that they were hiring. but all in all, today's numbers signals a very strong jobs market. the one thing we do want to look at is the sectors where are we adding jobs so people know potentially where to look. it's the usual suspects health care adding leisure, hospitality adding government, adding jobs also you had transportation and manufacturing, adding jobs that signals the end of the strike. so more jobs coming online there. retail though john did lose a little bit. so that was interesting. ahead of the holidays. what does this mean for the federal reserve and whether or not they're going to cut rates? well there are odds that are out there about

whether or not they're going to cut rates before this jobs report. odds were at 71% for a rate cut. now, after this jobs report, 91%. so economists feeling like in december we could see another rate cut. >> that's interesting. picking up full 20% there. yeah. just i have to say the last year when you looked at those months and months of growth, i mean, that is a positive year. that is a year of jobs growth every month. although last month was frankly lousy. >> we're going to call that a blip for now. >> for now. vanessa thank you very much, kate. >> so this morning, investigators are chasing new clues in the manhunt for the gunman who killed the ceo of unitedhealthcare. we're now learning that authorities are focused on finding the suspect's backpack, something he appeared to have abandoned, possibly in central park after the murder. that is according to cnn's john miller and we have learned also learned the suspect arrived in new york ten days before the murder arrived on a greyhound bus. and the route for that bus. it started in atlanta, though it is not clear when or where he

specifically got on once here in new york, the suspect reportedly used a fake new jersey driver's license to check into a hostel on the upper west side and where he paid in cash. and it was at that hostel where he is captured smiling for security cameras. not really for the cameras, though. caught on camera as he was in the middle of a flirtatious moment with a female employee she asking him to lower his mask in order to see his face. maybe a break in this investigation. cnn's omar jimenez is tracking the latest developments here. omar, what is the latest yeah. >> so part of this right now is the focus, of course for a few different things. one, where this person is, but also who this person is both big things that loom over this investigation at this point. now, some of the key things we learned of course, is when this person actually got into the city, according to law enforcement, as you mentioned, some of it arrived about ten days beforehand he was moving at points around the city, but

then finally checked into the hostel for what appeared to be the duration leading up to the shooting. on november 30th. as you mentioned he checked in with a fake new jersey id and among the investigations or among the interviews, law enforcement has done, according to a law enforcement source, this clerk was having a conversation with this person of interest as has been described by police as he was checking in and was asked to lower his mask as they were flirting back and forth, and that smile that showing of the face could end up being the most significant clue in this. as we move forward, at least what we've seen so far to this point. but that of course, goes to who this person is. the other question is where? so when you look at the route of sort of how this unfolded, obviously the shooting happened early in the morning. it happened in midtown manhattan outside the hilton hotel there. from there, law enforcement, as we bring up some of the route saw him or essentially tracked

him heading north on a bike towards central park which is where you see that yellow line hitting the south portion of central park. there and then new video that we've seen shows a person leaving central park around 85th street or so. so about 30 blocks north of where the shooting actually happened. and law enforcement has seen this video, and they do believe it is likely that is the gunman. so again, it gives you a little bit of a trace of where this person was moving in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. this video is about 15 minutes or so after the shooting would have taken place. but of course, now the question becomes, all right what do you do with this information? they have a water bottle that was left around the scene with a fingerprint. but as we understand from law enforcement, that fingerprint was smudged as well. also, a cell phone left at the scene likely trying to get into that phone as well. you see some of the timeline there, but of course, the main question as we're waiting on this third day now of trying to find out again who this person is and where this person is, trying to

see if any of these clues and pieces create anything substantial for law enforcement or even substantial to the point where the public can know about it. >> yeah. omar, thank you so much for putting that all together and bringing everyone up to speed on that. i really appreciate it. and joining us now to talk about all of that is retired fbi supervisory special agent daniel brunner and also back with us is the former us marshal john muffler. it's good to see you guys. thank you for coming back in. um daniel, 4 to 8 hours now that he's been on the run where should the most energy be placed right now in this investigation? >> i think that the nypd and focusing on what evidence is available, but it's also looking at the mistakes he's made. >> clearly, the shooter has made some mistakes. he's wanting to be appear to be professional, but the lack of professionalism is evident everywhere the pulling down of the mask the shooting style he is not trained. he prepared this attack he prepared his

escape. but i think he's making mistakes along the way and those are the things that which you know, in my experience when i was looking for fugitives or members of the gangs, i would look for the mistakes. and those mistakes will lead you to where he is. i do not believe he's in new york city probably most likely he's returned to maybe where home is, and that's where expanding the the the reach of this investigation into other parts of this country is really going to provide more clues. >> yeah and, john, i think you're back with us. and that's where you know, the marshal service definitely comes in. john miller was just speaking to me and he thinks that is something we could be hearing more of from new york authorities today is kind of expanding the outreach to the public outside of new york to help try to identify this man. what does that look like what does that look like now? how wide does the net need to be cast

yeah, obviously um, i'm in agreement with the with the mr. bruner there and i would say that very likely this individual is out of the city. >> um, this individual, though did leave a lot of clues behind understanding that was a burner phone. but there were numbers that take off of that. and in that research with that digital footprint that he has left behind. um, and to include his face, his image, um investigators can can put that together. >> look at those those cell phone numbers, those that digital footprint and and look at that along, say that pathway that he took to back to the hotel and elsewhere. >> right. >> so now that they know that that bus originated from atlanta, made stops, who knew? who knows if he got on the bus at atlanta, what numbers in that area at that time of departure were being used? this is a lot of research for investigators and analysis analysis to get through. but there there is information out there that can be collected,

looked at, to pinpoint perhaps where he may have originated and where he may be. >> now in terms of the public outreach daniel, one thing that that we've kind of noticed over the last, you know, since this occurred is i don't think i have really heard the words we often do when someone is on the run. the armed and dangerous is that because of the view of is that something specific, do you think, to this suspect because obviously authorities need the public's help well, i think it's a combination of two things. >> it's clearly we see that this individual is very cold, very calculated in the way he assassinated the ceo. so we have to advise the the public that he is armed. he is dangerous. he's a dangerous individual. we haven't recovered the the the shooting. the weapon hasn't been recovered. so it has to be assumed that it's either possibly in the backpack, which is in central park, or he has it on his person this individual could be very much

dangerous if cornered so it's out of precaution. you know to to be careful, to advise the public. don't approach this. leave it to law enforcement. they're trained they know how to deal with this individual. so using the proper authorities to to provide the clues to asking the public for clues and then letting the law enforcement entities to close in on him and affect the arrest, having him captured alive is obviously what we want. >> yeah. and john, one of the things that you know, the marshals service has huge capabilities in its own right and trying to obviously in tracking down fugitives and just seeing how they have and omar put it together, how they have been able to track through various, um avenues and surveillance video and such. his not only his escape route and where and when he where and when he entered central park and left central park and seeing him then on the upper west side, but also the fact that they have tracked him and traced him to the moment that he arrived in new york city ten days before the murder. i mean,

it just makes me wonder, like, what other capabilities, especially the marshals service, can now harness to try to even get a get a better pinpoint around this guy yeah like i said, i had i had, you know, again assassinations don't happen out of thin air. >> there was definitely pre-attack surveillance occurring days before. >> it sounds like ten days before. >> so in the ten days leading up to it, did he wear his mask every day? right. he had to go back to that place. he knew of the location where the meeting was going to be. so he obviously canvased that at a certain point in those ten days, so did he have his mask on all those times? so i believe there's probably images out there that they have and are looking at those images and looking at that and tracing that and seeing where he may have been, not just at the youth hostel and not just outside the hotel, but in between. so there are going to be clues there. right? and then looking at those locations and

those cell phone, those calls that were made, we the marshal service, can pinpoint sort of out of all the thousands of numbers that were called from the starbucks that, you know, this particular number seems to go back to atlanta as an example. so i think they're going to have those leads to follow up on. >> so interesting daniel, john, thanks for helping us through this a little bit today as we continue to wait and see what we what we hear and learn from the nypd and other authorities today. thanks, guys. john. >> all right. just in quote pete is a winner. a new show of support for pete hegseth by president-elect donald trump, who had been quiet over the last few days as the nomination had been teetering on the brink, one of the nation's largest newspapers is introducing an ai powered bias meter for its reporting. why this is causing an uproar in the newsroom and hat. and this is a quote from the documentary. it has been said it is like porn, you know it when you hear it. we dive into the music of yacht rock as this wonderful new documentary

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that can be done to change that. he wrote now, this comes amid separate new reporting that both ron desantis and donald trump will be at the army-navy football game next weekend. you remember that desantis, his name has been floated by trump insiders as a possible alternative to texas. so desantis and trump go to the same place at the same time. interesting. with us now, cnn political commentator bakari sellers, former white house spokesman for president george h.w. bush, pete seat first this trump statement. pete, because it comes after a full night of reporting that noted that donald trump wasn't going to call senators to lobby for pete hegseth. that was what the washington post flat out said. texas has been told not to expect trump to apply pressure on republican senators. now we see this social media post. is that pressure on senators, or is that kind of a middle ground it's a bit more of a middle ground. >> i think at this moment although pete hegseth is walking a tightrope with little

net, he's doing quite a good job of balancing. he has former fox news colleagues who are coming to his defense on the record his mother, of course, went live on the air to extoll his virtues and talk about him as well. >> and hegseth himself is not shying away from the accusations from the reports he's talking to senators one on one and answering these uncomfortable questions. >> it's helpful without a doubt, to have donald trump out there talking about him as well. >> but it's still to be seen if he's going to pick up the phone, if he needs to pick up the phone and start doing some of that arm twisting that he's known for in this knowledge. >> bakari, i'm sorry i don't believe in coincidences in politics that desantis and trump are going to both be at the army-navy game in a week. is that why is that out there to hang over his head, over the next week as he tries to win support in the senate i don't know jon. >> have you ever realized or just thought about the fact

that both army and navy are having a hell of a football season and it may just be a really really good football game going on? >> you're saying it could be a coincidence? and yes they are, by the way, they are having fantastic seasons it's one of the best one of the best seasons for both having a good season so i think that everything that donald trump does is chess, and i think that he wants pete hesketh to get his act together together. >> i think that the leaks about ron desantis are the same thing i think that most people republicans and democrats alike, who are watching this kind of circus play out will tell you that pete hesketh isn't qualified to to run the department of defense and ron desantis is probably has more experience running a budget that big. you know that the state of florida's budget is is a huge, huge $100 billion budget compared to the department of defense. and he's probably someone who has this leadership capability to run a department like this but donald trump doesn't want another loss on his record either. having matt gaetz pull

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review. >> i don't i don't know them. >> i don't know them. >> who who are they so in the house of representatives there's actually been a lot of movement in these committees where jerry raskin is going to take over the democratic leadership of the judiciary committee. >> there's been movement in other committees, and we just learned this morning that alexandria ocasio-cortez would like to be the ranking member, the lead democrat on the oversight committee. that's open because raskin is going over to chair, not chair, to be the ranking member on judiciary, but so if she's going to get it, it means she would have to basically top gerry connolly who has been around for a long time and is seen as a fighter. but this is a generational thing. you know gerry connolly in the 70s, ocasio-cortez and i think we have pictures of these two individuals, ocasio or cortez, in her 30s. what do you just make of this? i think generational tension, in a way, inside the democratic party i mean, you've seen it. >> you saw jasmine crockett challenge debbie dingell, debbie dingell ended up winning

that race. uh, aoc is one of the more exciting. i don't agree with her politics on everything, but she definitely is not the future of the democratic party. she's the right now of the democratic party um, so i don't have any problem with these challenges. what people have to turn the page and see is the reason that you're seeing that is that there is a real belief that in 2026, democrats are going to take the house back. and so these individuals who get these ranking leadership positions will be in line to be chair of these respective committees and have that platform and have that perch. but for a long period of time, the democratic party was old and stale. um, our leadership was old. uh and we remember a republican party that was marco rubio, that was bobby jindal, that was ted cruz, that was nikki haley, that was eric cantor, et cetera. but they gave this breath of fresh air and new vision and new ideas, and we're going through that moment right now instead of having the jim clyburn's and nancy pelosi's uh, and steny hoyer's hillary clinton's, et cetera., we are now turning the page and we

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>> a new monthly jobs report just released, and it was a welcome jobs outlook for november. after a very dismal october. the us economy adding 227,000 jobs in the month of november the unemployment rate ticking up just slightly. joining us now to talk about this is the acting secretary of labor julie su. secretary, thank you for coming back in. this is seen as a strong report. jobs bouncing back after that rough october moment. take this report and add it to reflect on really the last year. what is your one line your headline on what this year has meant for the labor market and the economy it's been a historic economic recovery. >> we are in a period of continued growth, and this demonstrates what happens when you put workers first. i think that's the one sentence version i will say. you know, october was an aberration. >> we talked about this last time because we were hit by two hurricanes, and there were tens

of thousands of workers on strike. >> this month's report is much more consistent with what we've seen throughout the year, which is a story of continued growth. this is the only administration that will leave office having seen job growth every single month since we've been here, and that's when you consider what what we face. when we came in here with the pandemic and the economy hurtling toward collapse and many people saying that it was going to be impossible to recover as quickly as we have something that we we're happy to see and also, you know, proud to, you know, hand off and hope for continued strength and growth. that is really inclusive and continues to prioritize working people. >> now this could be the last time that i have the chance to speak with you in this capacity of yours as acting secretary of labor um, historic economic recovery is an amazing campaign slogan when people are struggling in the economy and right before the election, you talked to us, you came on the show and you talked about recovery as being what it means

when stable leadership makes a difference. investments we're making have powered an historic economic recovery. but as we know, voters did not agree. people voted for donald trump because of how unhappy they still were with the economy. so what went wrong from your perspective i mean, the story of the economy is what it is, right? >> the facts are very clear it's not just the things we just said. it's also the fact that real earnings are up. you know, the data shows that very clearly wages are going up while inflation is coming down. that means i've said this before to, you know, more money in the pockets of working families. that is really important. i think some of what we faced and, you know, this is also very very real, right. working people have been seeing their situation decline for decades. it's going to take more than four years to reverse that and it's going to take more than four years for people to really feel secure again especially after the economic

uncertainty that we've had of, you know, recently right, caused by the public health pandemic. but also a number of other factors and people are unhappy about income inequality that is a something that's been growing for a very, very long time. and we prioritized tackling that. but again, those changes will not happen overnight. people wanted to see infrastructure investments. they want to see manufacturing come back. those were all not just campaign promises, but real, tangible things that we worked to deliver and we have seen reversals in terms of the downward trend for workers in all of those fronts but they will take more time to do. the reality is that much of what we've put in place, the benefits of those things are going to be seen in two years, in four years. and so we are handing off the strongest economy in history to the next administration and the hope is that, uh, you know there will

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it got there, how he even got that name, is the subject of a wildly popular new documentary that just debuted on max you don't know me, but i'm your bro the it rocks, but it doesn't rock too hard the singers all seem to be saying, hey, it's going to be okay it's perfect. >> sitting down dancing music also known as yacht rock i can't not smile with me now. >> is the director of the documentary garrett price and the grammy winning legendary musician christopher cross. thank you both so much for being with me, gentlemen. garrett let me just put this to you first. what exactly is yacht rock? how did it get that name and why the documentary yeah, it definitely wasn't called yacht rock in the 70s. >> right chris? we, uh this

this is a name that came about through a low budget comedy comedy series in the mid 2000. there were these guys that made up this name that loved this music. they kind of created these vignettes of this alt history of these musicians making this really incredible pop music at the time. and they kind of created a monster. it just stuck. but i was interested in actually talking to the artists themselves and the relationship not only with this word, but give them a platform to define their music. >> they were making at the time. >> and that's, you know i brought in chris and michael the two guys, the back alley songwriting duo, and i have to say, it was just magical what you came up with. >> and christopher cross you were on the mount rushmore of yacht rock, which wasn't called yacht rock when you were doing it. so as i mentioned, you know, was sailing with your debut album, you hit the the quad fecta, i don't know what else to call it broke all records at the grammys. you won what? best album, best record, best song best new artist. at the same time no one had ever done that. what was it you thought you were doing at the time when you

were breaking all these records well, you know, in my case, i was pretty overwhelmed by the truth of what happened. >> it was pretty meteoric. so i was just trying to hang on for dear life. to tell the truth but, uh, you know, we were all songwriters, and that's really what it's about. i think, you know, for me, being influenced by joni mitchell, randy newman and great songwriters and that's all i ever wanted to be, was a songwriter and all the rest was just trimmings but i think all of us was all about the songs and what i learned so much from this documentary. >> but one of the things i genuinely didn't know was how much cross-pollination there was among all the artists. ride like the wind, michael mcdonald's voice, which now that i hear it again and again, i mean, it's unmistakable in it i mean, how was it working with so many of these people at that time well, it was great. >> it was so you know, uh, it was a community. you know, we were like a fraternity of brothers, really and everybody shared. and michael's case he

was recording with the doobie brothers across the hall, and we invited him over to hear what we were doing. and he was gracious and offered to lend his voice to an artist that nobody had ever heard of. i was nobody, so that's the way it was. people didn't have a lot of ego in it they were just doing it for the music and like i said, the songwriting, production and it was it was a wonderful fraternity to be part of. i can tell you. >> i mean, i suppose you could now call it a yacht club. forgive me for that, but it was just hanging out there, low hanging fruit for me to grab right there. and while we're talking about ride like the wind, i have to say on my bingo card, and i didn't know this. i didn't have christopher cross earning a living as a pot dealer as he was trying to make music. and then why don't you just tell our audience how it was you came to write ride like the wind well, uh, paul mccartney has a song called 1985, when he was with wings, and we used to play that song in clubs and kind of go into a jam. >> and when i started doing the ba da da da dat dat dat, people just seemed to really perk up on the dance floor. so i said, i got i got something here. and then i decided to write a song around that riff. so i have to thank paul for the original idea. and then actually i have

to admit, uh, i was driving down to austin, texas from houston to to make the demos of the song, and i had taken acid and just the sun was out and i had my yellow pad, and i wrote the lyric to the song on the way to the studio in austin over three hours. i mean, that's just the that's just the truth of it so and so fortunately, my kids are older now, so they could accept what's that? >> i say? sometimes the truth is just the truth yeah. the truth. >> so yeah, it is the truth. and i do want to give a plug to my daughter. she was one of the producers on the on the doc madison cross. so, you know, she's a good friend of garrett. so i was, you know, doubly proud about the doc because it, you know celebrates our music. but my daughter was involved so it was great. >> so as i mentioned, christopher cross clearly on the mount rushmore of yacht rock, you know, michael mcdonald everywhere there. but then also steely dan garrett and you in the documentary, you talk about sort of the inspiration that steely dan was for everyone in it. and you as any good filmmaker, would want to do, wanted to reach out to,

you know, the founding member, the driving force behind steely dan, donald fagen. and i just want to play that conversation for people listen. >> hello, mr. fagen. >> yeah, this is this is he. >> yeah. hi. >> this is this is garrett. >> i'm the one making this yacht rock documentary. >> um yeah. >> so i've been talking to a lot of people that have played with you and steely dan over the years, and i was wondering if you'd sit down with me and talk about your music in this genre. and what genre is that? >> um yacht rock. >> oh, yacht rock well, i tell you what why don't you go yourself i think i'll get hung up on me so? >> so, garrett i played that to ask this question basically, as you were exploring this how did you find that these artists looked at it now and looked at what has become now? what did they generally think yeah, i think you know, i think a lot

of them were allergic to the word when it first came out. >> you know they didn't like their music to be labeled let alone be like an internet joke which is essentially what this word was it's like the og meme, right? it was early youtube days, but i think you know, the creators of the word when they said the word yacht, they meant just really expensive, well-produced sheen grand music. i don't think they were really thinking of the nautical side of things. so i think there was a little bit of a cross, you know, miscommunication there. um, but i think chris, we talked about this. i think you can't deny that it's brought a legion of new fans to your music and if people are rediscovering this music, i think it's really special to that. might have maybe abandoned it years ago. so i think in the end, it's probably a good thing it gets people in the door. and i think a lot of people in this world, ironically, i thought it was pretty good. >> chris. >> yeah i thought, jonathan go ahead. kitschy one. i saw the videos, to tell you the truth but but i played a show last night in san antonio and look out in the audience and all

these sailor hats and a lot of them are young people. so, yeah, it's right. it's brought the music to a younger audience, and we're all grateful for that. >> um, well, like i said, the documentary really is wonderful. i had no idea it was based on a web series i really didn't. i had no idea about all the cross pollination between all the artists, and the stories that you all told. was just wonderful. so? so, garrett congratulations to you, christopher gross. i'd be remiss. my friend dana bash, who works here at cnn, she texted me right before this segment and said, your music helped raise her. so thank you for helping raise one of our one of our great journalists here at cnn so thank you. >> i'm a big fan of dennis and yours, so that means a lot i appreciate it. >> thank you so much, christopher cross garrett price, thank you for everything. the documentary is on max now. everyone should go stream it and thank you all for joining us. this has been cnn news central newsroom is up next gonna run like the wind hi my name is damien clark, and if you have both medicare and

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