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hello everyone, and welcome to the amanpour hour. >> here's where we're headed this week. >> he wanted to decide matters on his own and in a democracy. well, you cannot reconcile that with democratic values. >> as world leaders brace for trump 2.0. former german chancellor angela merkel dishes about him. putin and the strongman phenomenon and the middle east meltdown. extremist islamic rebels rise up again, taking two of syria's biggest towns we look into our archives at the ordinary people whose lives have been ruined by this long, bloody conflict. >> then would i trade a tighter you know for the wisdom and the peace and serenity that i have in life of who i am today? >> no, i wouldn't. >> the substance demi moore's star rises again, and we talk

about her new body horror film on the dark side of beauty and finding freedom in aging. and finally award winning director of all we imagine as light. payal kapadia tells us why love is political in india welcome to the program, everyone. i'm christiane amanpour in london, in his first trip abroad as president elect donald trump is in france this weekend to celebrate the opening of the notre dame cathedral. five years after parts of it were burnt down in a freak accident. dispensing with protocol, world leaders like emmanuel macron are eager to meet with him and take the measure of the man they know as a deliberate disrupter on the world stage, as well as at home. his second term could mark a seismic shift with populist nationalism on the rise and a rejection of the status quo one leader who knows him very well is the former german chancellor angela merkel, and here's a little bit

of advice for those who would negotiate with trump dangerous president trump davos, i think president trump lives off actually acting unconventionall y. >> and i think he smells when people are a little bit afraid of him. and when you're not, then you can enter into good talks with him. >> so she clocked trump's bullying style and came up trumps. and in our conversation, merkel dishes freely on being tested by strongmen like him and putin. i caught up with her in washington, d.c. this week on the u.s. leg of her freedom book tour. chancellor merkel welcome to the program. >> yeah, guten tag. >> we're in the united states. there's a new president of the united states who will take office in january. donald trump, you were one of the first world leaders to meet him. you came to washington and out of sight of the cameras, you shook hands. you did your thing et cetera., in sight of the cameras in the famous oval office with the fireplace

between you. he didn't want to shake hands with you, and even though you asked him kind of discreetly, he just refused point blank and kept looking at the cameras and i thought it was really interesting because you said he wanted to create conversation fodder through his behavior. while i thought i was having a discussion with somebody completely normal is he not completely normal in your view? >> denke das president trump, davos i think president trump lives off, actually acting unconventionally and in this way draws the attention of people to himself. either he shook the hands of some of my colleagues three times longer than you usually do, or with me. he didn't do it at all. at this point in time, i had forgotten, and normally you would say, well, you shake hands and that's it but when you're in this situation, you don't and you don't even think about it with him all of these external things, these gestures always were part of a of a statement because he wanted to very clearly show that outside of political talks in these

situations, he puts down a marker, whatever he means with it. >> you also described him as as i dealt in facts, he dealt with emotions. how did that affect some of the key issues that you were trying to deal with? his emotional view of politics ich würde ich sagen im rückblick. >> i would say looking back, we and i'm also speaking here of nato members and eu members. we were actually able to get to sensible agreements with him. but when you think about tariffs on steel, for example at first they were only talking about china and he was talking about the subsidies that china injects into the steel industry. and then all of a sudden we were also covered by tariffs. and these tariffs are still in place today. unfortunately but then he wanted to put down a marker, make a statement on this but in spite of all adversity, we were nato members able to pursue

nato in a sensible way. and i would hope and wish that this happens also in the next four years to come. >> i remember very distinctly when donald trump was first elected. you did one. you were the only one to actually welcome his election conditionally. in other words based on the respect and the adherence to mutual values, democracy freedom, diversity, rule of law human rights, et cetera. um, and i just you know, wonder whether you thought he did act in that way, and especially because you said he was clearly fascinated by the russian president in the years that followed, i received the distinct impression that he was captivated by politicians with autocratic and dictatorial traits. how did that manifest itself to you the art adviser v er ibn über putin well, in the way that he spoke about putin, the way that he spoke about the north korean president, obviously, apart from critical remarks he made there was

always a kind of fascination at the sheer power of what these people could do. >> so my impression always was that he dreamt of actually overriding maybe all those parliamentary bodies that he felt were, in a way, an encumbrance upon him, and that he wanted to decide matters on his own and in a democracy. well you cannot reconcile that with democratic values. >> can i ask you? it just popped into my head. his former chief of staff john kelly, who was a marine general he actually said that donald trump had expressed interest approval of nazi generals. does that surprise you that he would say something like that? >> gesagt das habe ich gar nicht. honestly speaking, i never heard this and i wouldn't want to make any comment on this. i said that he was fascinated not too much codetermination as it were, or to many other people having a say. he wanted to be the person

who makes the judgment and the call. but i think if you approach once you approached him without any fear and with clear a clear cut strategy, he listened and i think he smells when people are a little bit afraid of him. and when you're not, then you can enter into good talks with him. >> and you were not known? >> no, i was the elected chancellor of the federal republic of germany. i mean, we're not a negligible country. we have our own interests, our own vested interests. and i was always guided by these national interests. i think the united states of america are such an important power, a superpower but we in europe are also important. the united states of america cannot do things on their own completely. we have an alliance. we have nato together. so this is not just something where we owe something to the americans as donald trump quite often said. but the united states of

america, too, must have a vested interest or should have a vested interest. at least that would be my advice, because when we stand together we're simply stronger. and there are so many in the in the world who do not want democracy. so strength is is important in this against this background, you have said that he has a nationalistic tone and that a lot of his negotiations involve a zero sum game that for him to win, the other person had to lose period. >> end of story. is that constructive in diplomacy or trade negotiations? >> is this nicht meine überzeugt meine überzeugt? it's not my conviction. i am convinced that through wise compromises you can bring about win, win situations situations where the whole world benefits and oneself also benefits from that. i am someone who actually greatly respects international organizations. the united nations the world trade organizations, and others. i think they're very, very important. i would like to

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the second part of our conversation earlier this week, she opened up about how putin uses intimidation as a diplomatic tool and how the war in ukraine might end with him. and now trump in charge. let's talk about the security of europe and and putin and ukraine. that's the big issue out there right now in your book, you write about trump's negotiation to get us troops out of afghanistan, and you essentially say that the way it was done with no communication with the afghan government, only with the taliban, the fate of afghanistan was sealed that essentially afghanistan was given back to the taliban. so everybody is trying to figure out what is trump going to do when he says, i can end the war in ukraine in 24 hours or whatever what do you think knowing what you know about about this particular individual and knowing what you know about putin, how do you think under these two presidents that war is going to

be ended that's if somebody is able to lead this war is such an incredible suffering for the ukrainian population. >> and president zelenskyy proved to be so courageous when on the day of the aggression happened didn't leave the country, didn't flee but stayed in the country and is fighting ever since for a sovereign ukraine. i don't want to speculate. i don't want to say i can compare this with afghanistan. i can only say the result of afghanistan was a disaster because once you have an elected government, such as the afghan government and not include them into such negotiations. so basically give to those who actually violate human rights every day and give them power of attorney, so to speak then later on they will have all the possibilities their disposal to set the conditions there was no internal peace process in afghanistan due to this, and president biden actually accepted that and that result

of the negotiations. and we saw that this didn't mean anything good for the afghan people even until today. but in ukraine, well, it will depend on how europe will sort of and this is sort of due to my successor, how europe will position itself. i can't say anything on this now, even in negotiations, the ukrainian politicians, whether it's president zelenskyy or others, say, how can we negotiate with a liar? >> he says one thing and does another thing. in your book you write point blank that putin told you a brazen lie when you confronted him about russian troops inside crimea and eastern eastern ukraine in 2014, and he also at one point told you look at what's happening in ukraine. this is the 2004 revolution. the orange revolution. i will never allow that to happen. how can anybody negotiate with with somebody who you yourself, who knew putin pretty well, calls a brazen liar yeah.

>> ich hatte diesen punkt am anfang meiner well, at the beginning of my work as federal chancellor that was not what he did. he did not say these brazen lies. but later on in crimea he did admit that that he had lied. and that was a turning point in our relationship quite clearly. and that i had to be extremely cautious in my approach towards him. so you cannot only trust in an agreement with him. that's absolutely correct. so we have to give to ukraine, in which form whatsoever security guarantees very clear and absolutely reliable guarantees as we gave them when they said we're going to dispense with our nuclear power. and at the time. but ukraine cannot be left without any security guarantee in what maybe we think is a piece in my book i write quite clearly that apart from the military support for

ukraine, it is very important to also think now of how a diplomatic solution can look like after the end of the war i'm struck in your book you as the first female chancellor of germany, you seem to have been heavily challenged by two macho men i mean, donald trump spent his first campaign, as you write, you know, attacking you, and you were surprised you say that he would spend his presidential campaign attacking a german chancellor. >> putin kept trying to test you as well. and there's the famous story about the dog. right. and now he's saying that he never knew that you were afraid of the dog when he brought the dog into the meeting. the second time that he had that meeting. so he said, please, angela please know that i didn't do this to frighten you. i'm paraphrasing him but you thought he knew exactly what he was doing as da muss ich de da muss. ich die lecture meines bushes. >> einfach nochmal well, look

into that particular chapter in my book. when i made my first visit, my foreign political advisor, christoph george gascón at the time said to his interlocutor prikhodko, his counterpart, that i had been bitten by a dog, so it would be very kind not to have a dog present. i didn't like them all that much. and then he gave to me a stuffed animal, a dog, and said this one is not going to bite you so maybe he forgot. he's forgotten it um, but if you read this whole story then it's not very probable that he didn't know anything about it i'm writing in my memoir how the situation actually was in sochi. i adopted a brave face, and they said well, as the british royal family says, um, never explain, never complain. i survived the dog didn't bite me. so let's leave it at that but i mean there's no other

explanation for it. it's a little a small attempt to test the waters you know how resilient a person is, how strong its power play basically coming up next, more global crisis as rebel forces advance in syria's 13 year long civil war, the staggering human toll of this conflict from up close, we go back to my archive and meet those caught in the middle. >> after the break you only come across an artist like luther vandross once in a lifetime, he was a boss from the beginning, luther said. >> i have a sound in my head. i got to get it out you are my shining star, my it was the most exciting time in the world. his life had extremely joyful moments and some really difficult moments if we were to be able to talk to luther as fans, we would be able to say we just love you, luther.

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mike, you boost your home's iq welcome back. >> for almost 13 years, syria's civil war has ground on sadly becoming background noise. recently until suddenly last week, the forgotten conflict was catapulted back into the headlines rebel forces mostly extremist islamic fighters appear to be taking advantage of the weakened axis that's backing syria's bashar al-assad russia, iran and hezbollah in a surprise offensive, rebel fighters regained control of aleppo and surrounded hama and these are the largest cities outside the capital, damascus. and they're saying they're pressing on there as well since the war first erupted, millions have been killed, wounded or forced into exile as refugees. i visited some of those displaced, taking shelter in a

camp in neighboring jordan, and i brought my then 16 year old son, darius, with me we met syrian families and young kids his own age who've had to grow up fast and bear the burden of looking after their family members wondering what their own futures will hold. imagine bringing my 16 year old son, darius, to work. only this isn't your normal day at the office. it's the azraq camp for syrian refugees in jordan imagine this adolescent leaving his comfortable and ordinary city life in the west. hi. >> how are you? assalamu alaikum. salaam. >> coming to discover how these adolescents young people his own age survive in the most extraordinary situations we meet mohammed, his four sisters and his mother sharma, who've escaped war in syria and found refuge here in jordan. they welcome us into their new home with open arms. it's a far cry

from what they've left behind one room with everything in it, from sewing machine to bedding, two shelves on the wall that serve as the children's library and wardrobe, heat from a stove fed by a pipe that snakes its way in from a gas canister. for darius, the obvious question what was your house like before this one? >> yeah, my house is very beautiful and my men and mohammed continues his story in arabic how the family fled when the war finally reached their syrian village. >> more than three years ago. how the constant bombing disrupted school and made it too dangerous to stay. >> were you afraid at any time during the journey can. >> yes, i was afraid. but i had a goal which was to reach somewhere safe and i managed to put my fear aside and i ask about their dad. >> you're the man of the family. you're here with your mom, you've got your four sisters. what happened to your

dad uh di, what happened how, uh can be it? >> we were at home at the time, and there was some bombing and shooting in the area he went outside to have a look and he was shot fortunately, darius doesn't have to step up quite like mohammed does. >> fetching water for his family every day filling these heavy canisters several times each day. it is hard work. his mother shama, has come to rely on him. >> mohammed yanni mohammed does really a good job, especially fetching water, which is difficult for me to do sometimes. he carries 20l in each hand. there are six of us and we need a lot of water, so sometimes he carries 10 or 12 containers a day he also does the shopping because the market is so far away into the big blue barrel and out through a pipe in the kitchen, which is a tiny room that they have only

just managed to add to their main room, sharma says she's trying to recreate a proper family life for her kids it's so hard, i cannot tell you. i try to make it comfortable by moving things around and i try to find spaces for their belongings and make it look like home. we eat, watch tv and sleep here now at last we have a kitchen. i can cook in like before back in syria, she says she was the queen of her castle and i couldn't say it is hard to lose your husband. i used to be the lady of the house and i was spoiled i had everything i needed all i had to do is ask my husband and he would get anything for me. >> she keeps her memories on her phone he's a handsome man, huh yes, she says, and like so many of the mothers we've met sharma insists that education is the most important thing for her children's future. and as we walk with mohammed from his small metal home to the

community center in this refugee camp, he says he's learned english here. since fleeing syria his dream is to go on to university. once upon a time, he thought he would be an architect. now after all that, he's borne witness to, he thinks he wants to be a journalist. should we go in yeah. and here with a group of teenage boys and girls mohammed founded the camp magazine, which they publish every month thanks to funding by the un and its ngo partners. and as we sit in on their editorial meeting, darius who also works on his school newspaper, wants to know what this project means to them, what kind of impact does this magazine have on your life? >> here it raises awareness and helps get children back to school. >> and do you look forward to these meetings? >> yes, very much. >> internet is only available at these centers, so these adolescents don't spend their time online. and there's not

much of a social life for them. the camp only got electricity back in december, so television has become their main source of entertainment but everywhere we hear the almost mystical reverence these children of war pay to the power of education and determination what would you say to darius about about life and about what it's like to be a 16 year old boy today in this situation, the price of success is hard work determining whether we win or lose the most important thing is that we have applied ourselves to this task. >> any task wise words. >> indeed from a young man, older than his years it's an experience that stayed with my son ever since. and the sad reality is that more than seven years since that visit mohammed is still there and the camp is still brimming with tens of thousands of war refugees with

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moore has been on the hollywood circuit for decades with iconic roles in ghost and charlie's angels, but she's not al her self-worth. >> she joined me in new york for a frank and open conversation about overcoming her demons, past battles with addiction, and learning to value herself at whatever age. demi moore, welcome to our program. >> thank you so much for having me. i really, truly feel so honored. i'm such a fan. so this is this is a this is a very nice and big moment. >> well, we are very happy to talk to you about this amazing film and a lot of other things. first, i want to ask you about the substance because it is extraordinary body horror. it's been out for several months and it's had a range of critiques. some have said it's really deep. others have said it's really shallow. you yourself said that this could be an absolutely amazing thing or it could be a disaster. yes. now that it's been out for a few months, is it amazing or a disaster?

>> um i think it's amazing. i mean, it's really, in truth, i think hit a certain kind of zeitgeist in popular culture that is even beyond what i could have expected. but all that i had hoped for, and i think for those looking just for something that's a visceral, entertaining experience it's all there. and i think for those and more so i find people who um, where it's deeply resonated, it's touched them in a place of their own kind of their own truth. and that's really like the, the, the greatest hope you are elizabeth sparkle. >> yes. and at a famous, you know, scene of a of a lunch or a dinner with, i think the boss of your show, harvey, by the way, called harvey. he essentially told you that you've just hit 50 and you've aged out and maxed out at hollywood. so that's the paradigm. just give us the story. i mean, it's a very visceral story about about something that's a big deal in

for women in hollywood and elsewhere. >> i mean i think it's again, for me, the setting is, you know heightened by the mere fact that it's, you know, elizabeth is somebody in the public eye. she's an actress but it's and and so there, there are greater expectations and challenges that come when you are out front facing and and and with judgments and criticisms that come from the outside. the fascinating part for me with this was not the circumstances, but it's the aspect of what she was doing to herself, the value she was placing on what other people thought and cared about her value on whether she was successful being the very crux of of of whether she was worthy or not. and i think that's the piece that really moved me, because it it explored that violence that we can have against ourselves that harsh criticism that compare and

despair. >> i spoke with the director, the french director, coralie falguiere, who is quite remarkable when i asked her after it aired, after it first released about working with you, this is what she said. i discovered someone who was really willing to take a risk. how far out of your comfort zone did she push you? >> i mean, i think the very nature of it was knowing that i was stepping into something that was extremely raw and vulnerable, and to really tell the story required to to really expose all those parts that we generally might want to mask, cover up or, or generally just not share. it was going to be heightened shots accentuating those very things that perhaps i don't love. and you know, the, the the truth is it really was for me in the end, it was a reclaiming it was and a more empowering ownership by just saying, i am who i am and this

is where i am at this moment in time. and finding kind of the the power in that important message of accepting who we are as we are. >> i spoke to jodie foster a while ago about true detective. yes. and she said turning 60 was incredibly liberating for her as a female actress, as somebody who plays alongside younger actors, it's like her time to sort of almost put the others ahead of her. give, give them the chance and not think so much about her own vanity. do you feel that, having turned 60 is consciously or subconsciously a turning point? >> i couldn't agree more. i think that there is a great freedom in it. and and again when, you know, like in the story when you're chasing this idea of perfection as, as i heard a woman write in on a bbc talk radio show saying, you know, how do you celebrate your body at this age? and she was in her late 70s and she said, you know, my body has the the size and shape is pretty much stayed the same. it's just more

loosely wrapped. and so i really love that. i totally get it. i understand and, and i, and i thought would i trade a tighter you know for the wisdom and the peace and serenity that i have in life of who i am today? no, i wouldn't and still to come with demi moore, the liberating power of accepting who you are. >> we get more personal with her after the break and harbor freight, we design and test our own tools and sell them directly to you. >> no middlemen, just quality tools. you can trust at prices you'll love whenever you do, do it for less. at harbor freight when a tough car finds you on the go, it would be silly. >> hey trying to robert lighthizer choose pack with the power of robitussin and every bite easy to take. >> cough relief anywhere. chew on relief chew on a doesn't

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was 25. you were 40. this film is about aging and how you deal with it. how much of the film and what you were, you know, experiencing doing the film. could you link to your own private life and what maybe you went through as being an older woman with a younger man? >> you know, it was interesting during that time, you would have thought i was the first person who's ever been with a younger man. i was not, but somehow i was placed as a bit of a poster that came with a lot of judgment and um, and, but i think all of my life has been in service in a way, you know, the things that i write about in the book that are dealing with a lot of my own challenges with my own body issues, the value i, especially in my younger years placed on my body being a certain way. um also gave gave me a lot of depth to bring to this, even though that isn't where i'm sitting today, but i think that i have all of that to bring into the

table. >> you have three daughters, three grown daughters in their 30s. how do they well, how did they react to your film and to your book? because you shed a lot of secrets. >> i did. i think there was a lot in the book that in a way, they didn't know particularly about my childhood and some of that, but i think it gave them a better understanding of maybe aspects of my intensity of certain things but, um uh but overall, i think it presented i think, a cathartic healing for them as well. um and in a way, i feel like the film was almost, um a kind of a secondary maybe installment to processing whatever was left over from some of that real lack of value. my middle daughter, scout, um reflected something so beautiful which is this idea that she said, i want to quit wasting time focusing on all that i'm not. when i

could be celebrating all that i am. >> well, that's a victory score 100%. >> yeah. >> for all women and girls. in terms of the family dynamic, you were married for 13 years to bruce willis, a huge megastar at the time of your marriage, and he is diagnosed with a kind of dementia? yes. >> and ftd. >> yes. can you say what that is? >> it's frontotemporal dementia. >> can you tell his fans and people how he is and how he's coping? >> um, you know, given the givens, he's in a very stable place at the moment and, um, you know i've shared this before, but i really mean this so sincerely. it's like, so important for anybody who's dealing with this to really meet them where they're at and from that place there is such loving and joy, and there is great loss, but there is also great beauty and gifts that can come out of it. >> okay all right. demi moore, thank you so much thank you so much and of course you can

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and finally, a love letter to mumbai, india's most diverse and cosmopolitan city. >> all we imagine as light is the first indian film in three decades to compete in the cannes film festival's main stage, winning second prize and critical acclaim. it's about life in the big city and love under the patriarchy. as experienced by three women. i asked director payal kapadia why love can be such a political act in india love in india is very political. >> love is love. the question of love, it's political everywhere, i think. but in india particularly so. and for me all my films are about love and longing. so even in this one, i wanted to explore further the themes of love for these women, one of whom is in an arranged marriage with a man who's disappeared and gone to germany, and the other is falling in love with a young man and it's just the start of the romance. but you know,

there's going to be trouble for them ahead. >> why is love political in india? >> i mean, because in india, love has a lot to do with marriage, and marriage has a lot to do with you know, the sort of control of the family of who you can be with and who they think that you should be with. and that's related a lot to identity to do with caste and religion. so it becomes a kind of way that there's a kind of control over the woman's life and for me, that is a matter of concern. >> and all we imagine is light is out now here in the uk and in theaters in the united states. that's all we have time for, though don't forget, you can find all our shows online as podcasts at cnn.com. slash audio and on all other major platforms. i'm christiane amanpour in london. thank you for watching and see you again next week hello