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country. very difficult to trace. you heard the mayor there speak about the fact that it's possible that he put this weapon together himself off of 3-d printers. the chief of detectives said that is something that they will be looking into. the other thing i found it very interesting is that he was simply caught while in a mcdonald's. the chief said that he was eating when an employee spotted him, and then obviously it set off the chain of events where the person luckily called 911 and the local altoona police responded. but from everything that we've been told and from this press conference, the police have a lot of evidence at this point. they have the fake id, the new jersey fake id that he used to check into the hospital, the same the very same hospital. he's caught on camera without
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they have a lot of evidence they still have to go through a lot of information to link him directly to the crime. but it sounds like that process is underway. the other thing the chief said was that he was carrying his us passport, but there's no indication that he was planning on leaving the country. so that is one way that they were able to officially, officially identify him, despite the fact that he was carrying all of those fake ids and the other thing i want to talk about is obviously this manifesto and what it says there and the things that he's writing about and one of the questions, because this was a targeted murder, an alleged murder of a ceo, and also because there could be some anti-corporate writings, it's reasonable to see if the fbi or the u.s. attorney's office here
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would in any way get involved in this. and perhaps not only would he face murder charges, there would be other >> found online and so forth. so there's a deep, from new york city. >> he has connections to pennsylvania. he has connections to maryland, but interestingly enough his last known address is in honolulu in hawaii. so officials probably are going to have to make their way out there to conduct this investigation as well. so a lot of information, certainly we
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wait for word on the charges and the direct link of this direct link of this person of interest to the crime, but i suspect that will come soon. here guys all right shimon, thank you so much for that. >> we appreciate it. >> let's go to john miller now who again has been on top of this story since the events unfolded in manhattan. and john you have some new details about specific lines that you can quote from this two page handwritten document that was found on luigi mangione's person. what was he writing about? >> well, he was railing against the health care industry, which of course fits into the scenario here. he talks about how these parasites had it coming. he starts off basically saying i don't want to cause any trauma uh but, um but it had to be done so a second page
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really kind of goes into problems with the health industry. he raises the question, you know, why do we have the most expensive health care in the world? but we're 42. um rated 42. and life expectancy around the world. i can't vet his his facts or findings there, but it was talking about the health care industry and the need for violence. i mean especially when you talk about, um, you know the opening, which is um, that it had to be done. these parasites um, you know, had it coming. that does kind of fit in what they're talking about. what do we know about this individual? um mr. mangione is an engineer. he grew up in towson, maryland. he's 26 years old. he graduated upenn in 2020 and then went on to a master's program where he got that master's degree in engineering and he has
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addresses, as shimon said in in towson, where he grew up in philadelphia, where he went to school in honolulu which we're still looking into but he has he is strongly believed to be the suspect in this case. >> it's an incredibly interesting and it also speaks to the fact that he just had josh campbell. you're with us now so much on his person. according to police from a suppressor to they're saying it's the fake id. they believe that he used at the hospital. the new jersey fake id when he was in new york. and then this manifesto talking about why he did this. it's a i mean that tells you a lot about his maybe expectation that ultimately this was all going to catch up with him, even as he tried to get away. >> yeah, you're spot on. and you know, sometimes these major incidents that start with a bang end with a whimper. we didn't see a dramatic police takedown. what we saw is
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someone eating at a mcdonald's who then had the police called on him and apparently taken into custody without incident. and, you know, so interesting. you know, john and i've been covering this. um, you know, there was this consensus in looking at that initial surveillance video from outside that hotel that police weren't dealing with carlos the jackal here. i mean, you look at everything from his stance in holding that gun to the type of gun itself, to the mistakes that he had made, apparently leaving behind a water bottle and a burner phone and so this, you know, this was a sophisticated job in the sense that it appeared to be planned and then executed and then he was able to successfully flee and, you know, escape arrest for several days but when you look at all of that material with him on his person, whenever he is actually taken into custody, someone who had the wherewithal to plan all of this and then to escape several law enforcement agencies would have had to have known that. having all of that on his person would would implicate him in this crime as you mentioned, you have the fake id, uh an id that was matching
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the fake id he used to check into that hospital. you have the mask that he had that was on these images that have been seen now around the world, and specifically the firearm itself. all of those items could have been ditched along the way as he was trying to escape. but he had them on his person. of course, you know, we can get into the firearms forensics if you'd like to see how you know, how that would actually play a key role here. but when you look finally at the manifesto that you have to raise the question, is this someone who expected to be caught and didn't mind being caught eventually particularly if he is someone who was railing against the industry in which this murder victim had worked to have all that material on you, and then to have essentially the motive, you know, laying out the motive in these documents for police to find everyone you know any good attorney will tell you that the best way to escape any type of serious charge, such as murder, is to create reasonable doubt, to have no evidence on your person, to try to fight every accusation that comes your way, that much, much
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harder. when you have all of that with you as you're taken into custody. >> yeah certainly an intriguing point why he would have that kind of note on him. it speaks to some form of premeditation, at least josh campbell, thank you for that. we also have with us michael alcazar, a retired nypd detective. and on friday, you talked about how critical dna evidence would not, would be not necessarily an identifying a suspect but tying them to the crime. and in hearing about some of these details, specifically about the water bottle that was left behind and a partial fingerprint that was on that water bottle. i'm curious how how significant a piece of evidence would that be in a future prosecution yeah, this is absolutely huge that we have this suspect, and then we processed the crime scene. >> you know as best, the ability of the nypd. we got dna. we got fingerprints. we we have the ammunition. so now, hopefully we can link all that to this suspect. we are going to get dna from him, get
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fingerprints off of him. um, the weapon, like the other person mentioned before. we can link it to the bullets, because usually the the the barrel will have rifling. i know this is a ghost gun hopefully it still produces the same marks on the ammunition. so crime scene processing the images that we put out, the crime stoppers tips that's what helped solve this crime and make this arrest. >> and john miller back to you. we're talking about why does he have all of this potential evidence on him. so much of it. but i guess there's also a question of what was the intent of the letter. in some crimes, you have people who send in their manifesto with the expectation they may or may not get caught. do you have an idea perhaps, what the intent could be looking at cases like that brianna, that's a really important question, and here's why. >> you know when you when you look at the note, i do apologize for any strife or trauma, but it had to be done. these parasites had it coming.
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this is a single homicide. we're looking at parasites is in the plural and the note itself, where he says, i acted alone. i'm self-funded. uh it it suggests two potential things here. number one, he was expecting to be caught somehow somewhere, and wanted the note to say i acted alone. this was just me and here's the why. or the other even darker possibility, which is? he intended to keep striking and at some point was going to release this note after he killed executives from other health care companies or other major corporations. we've looked at some of his other writings going back to the past on his social media and things. he's posted, and he does rail against corporate america, against profiteering, against taking advantage of the consumer. and he does talk about how protest is ineffective and that violence
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is the next step that has to be taken. so a lot to kind of chew on there while they put together the charges. as shimon said, and others get together, the physical and forensic evidence that may tie him to this new york murder josh campbell back to you, because michael brought up something i found interesting. >> obviously, in a lot of cases, forensic experts will look at a firearm and doing an analysis of the sort of grooves that are on the bullet. the impression that is left on a bullet. and it helps to tie obviously guns to certain incidents. i wonder how that might change, given that this is a ghost gun that officials believe was potentially printed by a 3-d printer. >> well, so the ghost gun aspect would make it more difficult to try to tie it to past crimes. and we know that the bullet shell casings obviously recovered from the scene of the crime that could be tested, the fact that we didn't hear of any matches to
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past crimes tells us that, you know, this is something that he may have procured maybe recently. maybe he put it together himself, and maybe he's never used it before in the commission of a crime that was known to law enforcement. but it is still a critical piece of evidence because, as you mentioned, when you look at firearm testing, it's very much like a fingerprint. whenever a projectile leaves the end of that gun, there are unique markings you can see here. these are images of when i went inside the atf lab to show this kind of testing. so they would take this gun into one of these facilities they actually do a test to capture the bullet that is fired, but also the shell casing that gets ejected and then they essentially take it under a microscope and actually look for those unique patterns whenever the shell casing makes contact with that gun. there are unique markings that law enforcement can look at. and what they're trying to do is see, is there a match when you look at the shell casings found at the scene, you look at those bullets and you compare that with what was tested. all they're trying to do here is to match was the gun found on this individual actually
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similar in nature to the characteristics of the rounds of ammunition left behind at the scene? and because of the unique nature of that testing, as i mentioned, somewhat like a fingerprint that could be very strong evidence. >> yeah you link it to the gun used. if the perpetrator has it on them, which police say he did in this case so that is going to be potentially huge here. um, michael i wonder knowing that this is someone we expect based on what we're learning from police, from that what was written on the shell casings and on that bullet and this manifesto, this is someone with potentially a very clear motive that they wanted people to be aware of, or they would not have used bullets with letters with words written on them. what does that tell you about what discussions with police right now could be yielding yeah this guy i think,
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sees himself as a martyr. >> uh he might want to talk, right? he might not want to lawyer up. he might want to tell his story. he wants people to know why he did this. so it's going to be interesting to find out if he had any spontaneous utterances on the scene. when the police officers arrested him when they finally get him into the station house, if he's going to be willing to cooperate, waive his rights, and be interrogated. so you know, right now with his manifesto and everything he's done so far the the letters on the, the words on the bullets, right uh, you know, the monopoly money. this guy i think your guests are right. he wanted to be captured eventually. maybe he was just tired of hiding and running he wants his statement out there he wants his story out there. he wants some kind of justification. and, you know given the events that happened in the past few days, he might get some sympathy from the public. we've seen some people defending this, this suspect. so it's going to be very telling what he does once
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inside, the detective squad. >> i want to go back to john miller because one of the key things that comes next, john, is the extradition process from altoona, pennsylvania to new york how does that work? how long do you expect that to take? >> well, the the first thing that has to happen is that the new york charges have to be drawn up and now that there is a suspect in custody while he's being held on local charges, they're going to do the things that josh campbell was talking about they're going to fire that gun. they're going to get that ballistic match. if in fact, it matches, they're going to take dna swabs from him, even if they need a search warrant to get that. and and then compare that to dna recovered here. so when they get to those charges then they can request extradition he can waive extradition and just come to new york to face those charges or there can be a hearing where a judge agrees or disagrees about sending him back they could make him face
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the local charges first. it's unlikely though it's more likely that they would return him to manhattan to face that homicide charge. if and when it's filed. >> and john, all of the evidence, because we heard in that press conference, and maybe you can just shed some light on how it works. there were questions about the manifesto, and they were pointing out law enforcement, nypd pointing out that the altoona police are in possession of that. how does that kind of thing get handed off so that officials in new york can take a look at it? >> well the actual note that's taken from him along with everything else taken from him, is part of a chain of custody so that would have to be you know, logged in and vouchered into the records of the altoona pd and at some point turned over to the nypd including the copy of that manifesto. which of course, you want to protect by, you know bagging it and making sure that no one else is handling it because you're going to want to hear what you're going to want to go
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over that for handwriting his dna, fingerprints. who else may have handled it, and so on. but all of that evidence will be logged in there where they seized it. and then transferred to new york. for those charges. once they deal with what they're going to do with the local charges which really have the effect of being a holding charge for him, you could have that manhattan district attorney's case charging him with, beyond being a person of interest to being charged with murder in the second degree in new york. but you also could have a federal case where he is charged with crossing multiple state lines with the intent to commit a felony. to wit, the murder in new york city, which would involve the fbi and the u.s. attorney. so there's a lot that could come into play here. but the main the main thing at play right here, right now is state charges of homicide in new york, which can only be drawn up after they learn what they need to learn today. and that trip out to pennsylvania and get those forensics to match or not josh campbell to that point that john just made about crossing state lines.
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>> as you look at the big picture here, and we analyze this person of interest, strong person of interest motives, one of the questions i had is, is why go to pennsylvania given that he writes in this manifesto that he acted alone. and if you take his word for him on that, officials believe that he had no one. or at this point they don't believe that he had anyone in pennsylvania, that he was going to go meet. so it seems like he wanted to be caught no, it's an excellent point, and we don't yet know what was in his mind, what his intentions were. >> again was this someone who expected to be caught maybe wanted to to eventually, you know, get caught and made this plan of escape? what's interesting here is that all of the forensic evidence that we've been talking about in a criminal case will tell you what happened and potentially, who did it, and that is what authorities would be looking at. but of course, there's this big question about the motivation trying to suss that out as well. get to the bottom of why this actually occurred. now, prosecutors don't need to
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determine motivation in order to successfully charge. and then convict someone with homicide but it's a critical aspect of any investigation to try to get to that motivation. the big question is, will he actually speak to authorities? you know sometimes in these cases, we've seen that people who conduct these kinds of crimes are proud of what they do. they want the world to know obviously, with the compelling evidence here, that was on his person when he was taken into custody. this is someone who may understand that his future is very bleak as it relates to the criminal justice system and so he might actually go out and you admit to the interviewing agents and officers that, yes, this is something that i've done. and of course, what we're trying to determine now, and we'll see if he actually admits this is was this someone who himself had faced some type of issue with the health care industry? did he himself have some type of injury or procedure and have to go through the often frustrating, you know, dealing with insurance companies to, to try to deal with those kind of injuries? was that what motivated him? was there
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someone that he knew, a loved one who perhaps went through the same? or was he this martyr who's trying to speak on behalf of many people who face these kinds of issues vis a vis, you know, dealing with the industry? again, a lot of questions about why it took place and of course, why this specific health care ceo, you know, we know that this conference, for example, that was set to take place there in new york this investor conference was something that was known publicly about the date and when that wld start. a lot of questions about how he actually knew that this ceo would be coming. there early. was this someone that he had researched was, you know, all of those these are questions that law enforcement would have. but now they have the person they can. then you know, work to determine is this someone who has, you know, a social media footprint that we can we all have seen a lot on social media that's unconfirmed, but law enforcement through legal process can try to obtain various records as well. again to try to, you know, get to what he himself has written and what he himself has said. and then the final point is, because this is someone with such a large footprint and multiple states, as you
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mentioned, there maryland obviously, the crime being committed in new york, someone who most recently had an address from hawaii, had lived in california, apparently at one point, a lot of places that law enforcement will have to go to try to interview people who knew him, to try to see. do they do they know the motive? did anyone know that? not that he was intending to commit a murder allegedly. but was this someone who was aggrieved and maybe had verbalized that to other people as well? all of that is, you know, would be crucial in trying to get to that very important. why? >> yeah. and that i am curious about that. john miller, of course, online sleuths, social media commentary has been ablaze with is this someone with a very specific personal experience and so far, what we are seeing at least so far. and i think we should stress that john, is that this is someone with more of a, i don't want to say an academic opposition to the health care industry but it so far does not appear to be rooted in a specific instance, and we will wait to see if that changes. but to josh's point
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about all these different places that police are going to go, are you surprised as you know, someone who recently you know last known location hawaii obviously went through by your reporting these academic programs at penn you would think he would have been around a bunch of people. were you surprised that they didn't have a name before today just from people looking at the photos you know it's interesting that you bring that up because, you know, he was in school, he was in a fraternity. >> he's in chat rooms. and and you know, online communities with other people who know him where his picture is, is posted and, and is prominent and think about it, brianna, who recognized him, was it his best friend? was it his ex-girlfriend? was it his college professor no, it was a complete and total stranger in mcdonald's so that tells us something that we've seen
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before in the boston marathon bombing case. and some of these other cases where in the case where the individual frank james shot ten people on the new york subway when i was with the police department we put his picture all over the place. and people who knew him didn't call in and say, that's that's who he is. um, but people on the street recognized him so that's why this crowdsourcing thing is so important. you've got to blast it out in every direction because you may get the people who know him. you may get people who know him, who don't want to report him. you may get a total stranger who recognizes him on a hunch because they saw those photos. and they say that looks like the same guy, maybe the same jacket. why is he wearing a mask still, if that was the case but that's what you're trying to do reach as many people as possible and when they reframed it last week saying, we want people beyond new york city to be looking for this person because we don't think he's here right now, we
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think he's somewhere else. i think that really put it into the minds of a lot of people who might not have been scanning for it. >> yeah. as officials in new york said, someone saw something and did something about it. and now someone at mcdonald's may be entitled to a $50,000 reward. john michael and josh, thank you all. so much. we're following the latest on this case, luigi mangione, a 26 year old from maryland arrested, believed to be connected to the shooting of united's ceo brian thompson. stay with cnn. we'll be right back welcome to times square that's not in my life it's so embarrassing. >> new year's eve live with anderson and andy. live coverage starts at eight on cnn. streaming live at are you ready for this? >> are you ready for this? >> are you ready for this new alka-seltzer plus cold or flu
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a broader conversation about whether ceos higher ups in companies corporations that may at times have negative interactions with people in the public, what they need to be taking away from this when it comes to security well, you know, there are two sides to this coin. >> the first being there obviously is a sense of relief. now, among certain individuals at unitedhealth, perhaps other industry competitors as well, that this individual is now taken off the street and no longer poses a threat but there is always the big question about the potential, you know, so-called copycat people who see what this person did. maybe they concur with the motives here. if this actually ends up being someone who was essentially railing against the health care industry. and so that is something that requires that both the private sector and law enforcement obviously keep their guards up, as we were reporting after that initial shooting that unitedhealth and other health care ceos had their security
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bolstered. the way this works is a lot of these companies have their own private in-house security. others may contract with private security firms that specialize in executive protection. and so there is this question about, you know, what type of security do these high profile people have around them, particularly with this threat kind of lingering out there and of course, as you know, we've been looking online and so many social media platforms have become unwieldy to begin with as of late. but there have been a lot of vile comments out there. uh, everything ranging from people saying, yes, you know, i agree to others, you know, posting images of other people that are in the industry just really vile stuff. and so for law enforcement and these security companies what they're trying to look for, you know, as in any investigation or threat assessment is two things essentially intent and capability. you know, there are a lot of people out there who may intend to cause some kind of harm, who don't actually have the capability to do so. but when you have those two aspects married up that could actually present a potential threat. and to be sure, this is
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not an easy you know, investigative operation for any law enforcement agency. there's this mantra in law enforcement that action beats reaction. the potential suspect acts, and the law enforcement, you know then has to respond. and you know coupled with the fact that law enforcement in this country, you know, maybe contrary to what people may think, can't just troll social media without some kind of authorized investigative purpose. and so it is a challenge. and this, you know particularly in this period where you have this person who we now are getting some sense of what the potential motive is could there be people who have that same, you know, mindset and may try to do something of their own? it's a challenge for security industry folks it's certainly a challenge for law enforcement brianna. >> it certainly is. josh thank you so much for that boris. >> turning our attention now to major news overseas a new era begins today in syria with rebel forces now in control of that country just moments ago, syria's prime minister under bashar al-assad agreed to formally hand over power to his rebel counterpart, the ousted
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president has fled to his longtime ally russia, where he and his family have been granted asylum by the kremlin. while the u.s. is welcoming the end of assad's brutal regime, there are major concerns about who now fills the vacuum and whether isis or other terror groups will try to exploit a chaotic situation. the u.s. military says it struck 75 isis targets in syria in the hours after the rebels took over with us now to discuss is cnn military analyst and retired air force colonel cedric leighton. colonel, thank you so much for being with us. what do we know about this rebel group? their vision for syria and what they've promised? >> well, that's actually a great question boris. so let's start with the leader of this rebel group. he's hayat tahrir al-sham his name is mohammad al-julani he was a jihadist in iraq, starting in 2003. and during the period from 2006 to 2011, he was actually imprisoned by the u.s. in several different places. one of them, abu ghraib prison. he moved back to syria in 2011
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upon his release, set up an al qaeda affiliate in syria. then he split from al qaeda to form tass. and then by the time we get into 2023, he'd been organizing this group for quite some time he conducted some operations, first against al qaeda and then against isis. and he killed one of the former leaders of isis during this period what can you tell us about the isis footprint in this area? >> because obviously it is still a concern not just for the united states, but for the world. >> absolutely. so this is this is actually very interesting because everybody thinks about isis as being a defeated entity right now and that's it's true that they are defeated, but they are still in existence. so places like this right in here in the syrian desert all these places that are marked in the striped fashion are areas in which isis fighters can actually be found. and these were the targets that the u.s. hit yesterday in their effort to basically suppress their
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activities in the eastern desert here in syria. >> colonel, i'm also curious about this prison that's been the focus, not only of concern inside syria, but international concern as well. i believe the un, or rather amnesty international, called it a slaughterhouse during the assad regime. what can you tell us about this prison? >> yeah, this kind of evokes these are some pretty graphic images. in some cases, those were prosthetics that we see here and here. we have some of the syrian rebels poring over documents, looking to find out exactly where different cells are and potentially where different prisoners are. were executed. so this prison was a place of torture. the syrian secret services under assad, they had various torture techniques that they had perfected. and one of the things that they included were mass executions of their political prisoners. and they did things that were really heinous by any stretch of the imagination. so one of the things that the rebels are doing is they're trying to figure out what happened to a lot of the syrians that were imprisoned during this time
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colonel, not a surprise that assad fled to russia. >> vladimir putin was one of bashar al-assad's few allies in the world. but what does this mean for russia? because syria was obviously an important ally to them in the region absolutely. >> so one of the key things that you have to look at for russia, they have a couple of bases here one in tartus and another one in near latakia. this is an air base. this is a naval base the idea here control the eastern mediterranean or at least have the facilities to do that. the other thing is that syria, including these bases plus bases that the syrians operate around damascus and several other places were used as logistics hubs for the russians to move stuff into africa. same thing for the iranians to influence other areas in the middle east, including over here in lebanon. so this becomes a huge deal. both iran and russia are now impeded in terms of their operations and their ability to control events, not only in the middle east, but beyond that in africa
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and other places. as well. >> yeah, a significant blow to that crew. it will be curious to see what happens next. colonel cedric leighton, appreciate your analysis. as always. thanks so much. thanks, boris next. just days after president-elect trump said that january 6th investigators should be jailed, his fbi pick who has suggested the same is on capitol hill trying to win enough votes for confirmation. what we're hearing about his meetings in just moments this holiday season, find the perfect gift at cnn, underscored from the latest fashion to expert approved tech to the best beauty finds. >> discover it all at underscore com hey, who's beetlejuice? >> don't ever say that name. not ever beetlejuice. >> beetlejuice beetlejuice. >> beetlejuice is loose. shake shake shake up shake shake i'm going to make you so happy
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on cnn right now president elect trump's pick for fbi director kash patel is meeting with republican senators on capitol hill. >> the fierce trump loyalist who went from being a mid-level justice department lawyer under president obama to become a member of the national security council in trump's first administration, has vowed to go after trump's perceived enemies from the president elect's political foes to people in the media. we should note that the current fbi director, christopher wray, who would have to be pushed out of the job before his ten year term is up in order to be replaced by patel still has that job. cnn's manu raju is with us now from capitol hill. a lot going on where you are there, manu? we're going to get to patel here in just a minute. but you also just spoke with pete hegseth, trump's pick for secretary of defense. what did you learn yeah, this was after a critical meeting with senator joni ernst. >> she is considered a swing vote on the gop side. she's a
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member of the senate armed services committee. and she is someone who's getting a ton of attention from the trump team and from hegseth himself. in fact hegseth met with ernst last week and spoke to ernst over the weekend. and today was back in her office here meeting with her for about half an hour. and that meeting just wrapped up. i mean, ernst remember, is she is a combat veteran. she is someone who is has experienced sexual assault herself and pushed to reform how sexual assault claims are dealt with within the pentagon and pete hegseth as we know, has been accused of sexual assault he has denied those claims. but that was supposed to be a topic. sexual assault and women in the military were expected to come up in this meeting. hegseth has previously espoused opposition to women serving in combat. so how that was resolved is an open question. i did ask hegseth, as he was coming out just to provide the lay of the land on this meeting, and he indicated that it went well can you shed some light on your
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conversation with joni ernst? >> it was a very good meeting with the senator. >> you know, the more you spend. i've known her for ten years. the more we we talk. >> the more we're reminded of as two combat veterans how dedicated we are to defense. >> and she has been dedicated to making the pentagon work for war fighters for a long time. we've had a great extensive conversations about that. >> and i just appreciate her commitment to the process. >> and we look forward to working together it's unclear exactly the specifics on their exchange though, brianna, and whether or not they discussed what they discussed about sexual assault, about his views on how that should be dealt with in the military, his own personal, the allegations that he has faced and the like in his own personal opposition in the past on women in combat. >> but that's one of the questions we'll ask senator ernst as she leaves this office, if she's satisfied and if she's ready to support him.
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>> yeah, very interesting there. and what do we know about kash patel meetings? manu raju. do you know whether he's being asked about trump's threat to jail january 6th. investigators which is something that patel has been has mused about well, we know republicans have met with them. >> senator john cornyn, who sits on the senate judiciary committee, was asked about this today. he sort of didn't say specifically if that specific aspect came up, but he said he wanted to urge patel to ensure that the justice department acts professionally and not politically. and so it doesn't engage in political interference of sorts. so we'll get a better sense later today as he meets with more senators this afternoon. brianna. >> all right, manu, thank you so much for that. jay-z has filed a brand new legal motion after being accused of raping a teenager with sean diddy combs. hear what he wants a judge to do can't fool myself. >> it was the most exciting
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elizabeth wagmeister reports, the music and business mogul had some choice words for the plaintiff's attorney jay-z has been revealed as one of the mystery celebrities that was mentioned in one of the civil suits against sean "diddy" combs. >> this suit was originally filed back in october, in which a woman who says that she was then a 13 year old girl in the year 2000, said that she was raped by sean combs and also another anonymous male celebrity now that case has been amended to actually name jay-z in the suit jay-z has come out swinging, denying these claims in a lengthy statement which is very rare coming from jay-z, who is an incredibly private star. i obtained this statement from his team last night, and he wrote this himself. i want to read you part of it he says. these allegations are so heinous in nature that i implore you to file a criminal
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complaint, not a civil one. whomever would commit such a crime against a minor should be locked away. would you not agree? he goes on to say that these alleged victims would deserve real justice if that were the case now, that part of the statement is actually directed towards the plaintiff's attorney, whose name is tony buzbee, jay-z is saying that he is being extorted and he is being blackmailed by buzbee, who he says was just trying to settle privately to get money now, i reached out to buzbee and he has denied these extortion claims ever since jay-z sued him back in november, claiming extortion. now, last night, buzbee told me the pleading speaks for itself. this is a very serious matter that will be litigated in court now. much more to come on this matter, but i have also reached out to a representative for beyonce. of course, jay-z's wife. no comment there yet but in his statement where he denied the sexual assault allegations from
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a then minor, jay-z did say that he is heartbroken for his family and said that he and his wife, of course, beyonce are going to have to talk to their kids who are now going to see these allegations in the press. back to you our thanks to elizabeth wagmeister for that report. >> let's dig deeper now with defense attorney misty maris. misty, thanks so much for sharing. part of your afternoon with us. in a statement to cnn, jay-z questioned why a civil complaint was being brought rather than a criminal prosecution, given what he called the heinous nature of the crime why is civil suit in this case so in this case, this was brought by tony buzbee. >> this is a civil lawsuit that's been resurrected under a new york city law that allows for cases of sexual assault to be brought into the court, even though they would have normally been barred by the statute of limitations. so we saw this with another statewide statute called the adult survivor act.
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this is the new york city gender motivated violence act so civil suits of this nature that would have been time barred are now being brought into the forefront. so that's why we see this coming into the courtroom as a civil lawsuit. >> and misty jay-z filed a motion asking for the accuser's identity to be made public or to have the case dismissed. how do you expect the judge is going to rule well i'm not surprised to see the motion to dismiss. >> of course, we know that jay-z, although we just publicly learned of this with the most recent amended complaint, this filing, this began as a pre litigation, meaning pre publicly filed complaint demand letter. so he and his lawyers have been aware that these allegations were out there for a decent amount of time. and so there's been some strategy as to how to proceed. so the case he's made a motion to dismiss. he said the case is
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frivolous. he said that this was just a money grab essentially. and then if the court will not dismiss the case, the next step would be for this individual to identify herself. that would be the plaintiff. now, these cases do not generally get resolved on motions to dismiss. i would not expect jay-z's motion to be successful. it will be a case that will play out in the courtroom however, there's been other case law, other cases relating to diddy where the accusers who are moving forward anonymously have been directed by the court to identify themselves. and so their name would appear in the caption that will be up to judicial discretion, because this individual was 13. horrific allegations it's possible that she would be she would be successful trying to proceed anonymously in the court in the southern district you noted something interesting and that and that is something we heard from tony buzbee. >> he argued that if jay-z was trying to hide his identity, he wouldn't have put this statement out do you think that
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in the process of going through this case, his name was necessarily going to be revealed unless there was a finding of liability yeah. >> so usually the way these cases play out and this was it started pursuit. they were unable to resolve. tony buzbee, in his statement said that jay-z was invited to pre-suit mediation. that's where these cases are settled before they're publicly filed now, we know that elizabeth laid it out there was a filing made by jay-z under a pseudonym of john doe. that's before this publicly filed complaint, adding jay-z's name was out there in the ether. and so he proceeded on that john doe motion trying to stop this from ever making its way into the courtroom that was obviously not successful. and now it's going to proceed in the court of law. he's been publicly identified. so this case is pretty much on the fast track to litigation and we'll learn more about it as discovery
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depositions and all of those aspects unfold. >> yeah really a surprising story. it will be interesting to see what comes next. mr. maris, thank you so much for the perspective stay with news central. we'll be right back welcome to times square that's not in my life that was so embarrassing. >> new year's eve live with anderson and andy. live coverage starts at eight on cnn. streaming live on. okay, everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy ensure with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health and ensure complete with 30g of protein finish ultimate engineered for the toughest conditions dry, burnt on stains old dishwashers. very hard water finish ultimate with cycle sync technology helps deliver the ultimate clean
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