bubbling anger about the inequity in the country writ large and in the health care system, no question. but so much of the clips we were watching at the top of this segment are driven by the fact that this is this is an attractive we got to drop the banner to show why. and and it's it is deeply troubling that we are celebrating this this person who's committed, cold blooded murder because you know, he clearly went to the gym. >> but you know, one takeaway, though, is the health insurance industry. the health insurance industry is the one industry in america that seeks to not deliver its product. that's the business model. so i think they have to watch out with this, with the sentiment. >> i think the hard part is that literally, i mean, they're all private. so i'm not asking people to tell the stories, but i imagine everyone at this table probably has a story about fighting with these companies and how that impacted their lives. all right. thank you guys very much for joining us. thanks to all of you for being with us as well. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. cnn news central starts right now

right. >> breaking overnight, the suspected killer is in custody this morning. we have new details on the arrest. what? he was caught with his privileged past and the medical issues he apparently suffered from. as police try to piece together a motive and a fire emergency is playing out right now at pepperdine university in malibu, california. >> classes canceled. students being told to shelter in place this morning as crews are battling wildfires moving toward campus, and is pete hegseth smoothing out the once his once rocky path to confirmation once rocky, as in last week. the shift today among some of the lawmakers who will decide his fate and chances of becoming defense secretary. i'm kate bolduan with john berman. sara sidner is out today. this is cnn news central all right.

>> breaking overnight new details on the man charged with murdering a ceo in new york city. there's a lot here, so pay attention at this moment. 26 year old luigi mangione is behind bars in pennsylvania charged with killing unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson. and this morning, we're standing by to learn when he will be extradited here to new york. police say he was arrested at a mcdonald's in altoona pennsylvania, five days in roughly 300 miles away from the site of the killing police are now piecing together an assassination plot as new clues into a possible motive surfaced according to court records. the suspected killer had 3-d printed ghost gun on him. several fake ids $8,000 in cash and a three page handwritten manifesto, if you will. he had that all on him when he was caught in his writings were the words these parasites had. it coming. we've got new details

on his past. a wealthy maryland family. a private school valedictorian. the graduate of the university of pennsylvania. last known address in hawaii. we have an extensive online profile being gone through right now. apparently, it includes a photo posted to x of what appears to be an x ray image of a spine with hardware from some kind of surgery he might have had his former roommate told cnn of his apparent back troubles before he moved in, i remember he said he had a back issue and he was hoping to get stronger in hawaii. when he first came, he went on a surf lesson with other members and unfortunately, just a basic surf lesson. he was in bed for about a week. we had to get a different bed for him that was more firm, and i know it was really traumatic and difficult. you know when you're in your early 20s and you can't, you know, do some basic things, it can be really, really difficult. all right. with us now, cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller. john, good to see you so much information over the last several hours. just bring us up to speed on the latest.

>> well, the latest is he's been charged here in new york with murder and associated charges. so that means that the manhattan district attorney determined yesterday, after this arrest, without any further tests or things. we don't know about, that they had enough probable cause and physical evidence and scientific evidence to connect this suspect to this murder. here next step would be, does the suspect he'll be assigned an attorney. does the suspect waive arraignment and says, take me back to new york, or does he fight? i'm sorry. waive extradition or does he fight extradition? which will probably not change the process but slow it down. all right. >> what's the lesson here, john? in this you know, five, six day manhunt so we learned a lot of things in the course of this. >> and and when i say we i mean all of us because we literally watched it together as journalists, as viewers, as investigators. when you see, i guess the new maxim is you can

run, but you can't hide while you're running. we got a glimpse inside the nypd's video canvass teams and how they fanned out and found hundreds of pieces of video that didn't tell them anything, even though he passed by here on a bike or something. but they recreated his route, and then they found those pieces of video where you saw his eyes. clearly, the starbucks video being the first, um the video at the hostel where for that one moment he takes down the mask and then using technology where taxis in new york log in their passengers and log them out where they were picked up and where they were dropped off. and they extracted the video from that cab. that was the one that left closest to where he dumped the bike and ended up near the bus terminal, where you got a clear look into his eyes. but for those things, we would be having a different conversation completely. >> i will say for all the high technology, it was old fashioned, you know. have you seen this man photos of this

suspect that ultimately you know, sealed the deal for him at that mcdonald's? >> isn't that interesting? i mean it's still the shoe leather. they had to get out and walk. it wasn't done on a computer. but instead of have you seen this man? it's do you have a picture of this man for us? >> all right. in 30s or less, the writings. what are they taking from that they're analyzing that note because the question that investigators have and we do too, is what kind of note is it? >> is it a claim of responsibility that was meant to be found? was he going to strike again and send this note in to us, the press or the police or was it a suicide note on the idea that he expected not to be alive? and he said, you know this is how would i this is how i would account for what i did. yeah, these are important questions. >> all right. john miller, as we said, so much, so much still to come. thank you for your reporting on this, kate. >> we're also following some breaking news. a wildfire in california has exploded in size overnight. and it's nearing pepperdine university students. right now are being told to shelter in place. the fire

tripled in size in barely an hour, and it's now burned 18,000 acres in malibu. it's 0% contained, triggering some mandatory evacuations and red flag warnings are in effect for over 12 million people across southern california. pepperdine university just sent out a message on social media moments ago. in part of it saying that the university believes the worst of the fire has passed. the shelter in place will remain in place until at least daylight, so a lot happening as we speak. let's get over to cnn's derek van dam, who is tracking the very latest. what are you seeing, derek yeah, well, this is still a very fluid situation, considering that we do believe that the most intense santa ana winds will actually occur right around daybreak. >> so that's something we're monitoring very closely. but i want to take you to this cal fire website. i'm going to have my producer monica, actually drive this in the background. what you're looking at here are the latest warnings. we're in southern california

here's malibu, this is malibu canyon road, and this is the area we watched the fire rapidly grow in size overnight. so roughly around 350 acres at about 2 a.m. eastern time this morning and then it blew up to over 1800 acres. so this is the current perimeter of the actual fire. there are mandatory evacuation orders for parts of malibu, but as we zoom in closer to pepperdine university, here it is there was actually, according to university officials, helicopters taking water from some of the nearby lakes and what's known as alumni park. you can see them right there. they took water from those lakes and helped extinguish some of the flames in and around the pepperdine region near the franklin fire there are still spot fires that according to university officials, are not threatening life or structures. but because there is no power across much of malibu, they're going to maintain that shelter in place at least through daylight this morning. so let's go a little bit further east. here's pacific coast highway, here's malibu road. and then this is an iconic figure of malibu.

this is the malibu pier, which according to the city of malibu, has also taken on flames from the franklin fire as it crossed over the pacific coast highway within the past 40 minutes or so. there are structures that there are currently burning, and they say that the pier has been impacted as well. remember, this is a landmark of that area. so here's some of the footage coming out of pepperdine university but look at the reflection in the window of the flames near the library where the students were asked to shelter in place. that is terrifying. that is something you don't want to see particularly dangerous situations. still in place across southern california la and into ventura counties remember, these are rarely issued by the national weather service. last time was in november of this year for the mountain fire that caused so much destruction in portions of ventura county. these are rare but they're becoming more common as our climate continues to warm. check out these wind gusts from the fire 93mph, and some of those higher peaks,

again expecting to even top out this morning as we hit daybreak. kate. >> derek. thank you so much. we'll be checking back in with you throughout the show absolutely. thank you very, very much. coming up for us, cnn on the ground in syria as the reality of what happens now with bashar al-assad out fled to russia, what happens now in that country? who's in charge of that country, this new reality setting in clarissa or clarissa ward has exclusive new reporting from inside syria that's coming up next and falling. and from falling out of favor to falling in line, potentially there's new reporting out about how some top republican lawmakers seem to be coming around to some of president-elect donald trump's more controversial cabinet picks and jay-z and beyonce spotted on the red carpet one day after a civil lawsuit is filed against him involving sean diddy combs welcome to times square that's not in my life here i

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belonging to bashar al-assad. >> we are on the compound of the presidential palace, and you can see this is a man who had expensive tastes. we've seen aston martins. we've got lamborghinis, we've got ferraris. i want to add, as well, that we've been walking through this compound. there are many garages. we were just in a lot where there were dozens and dozens of armored cars, if you can believe that. i don't know how anyone would need so many armored cars. and i'm bringing you over here because you can see this collection of classic cars over here. and the reason this is all significant, john, the reason that we're we're talking about this that we're showing you this is because really, this is indicative of the deep, deep corruption of the assad regime, which is a big part of why this whole uprising started in the first place. back in

2011. bashar al-assad had been ruling for some years his father for many decades before and the levels of corruption and greed the opulence and the lavish lifestyle when so many syrians were struggling to put food on the table. you imagine, john, the last 14 years, syrians have been under bombardment. they've been tortured, maimed kidnaped, killed and meanwhile bashar al-assad was living literally like a king with garages full of cars, with palaces with incredible mosaics and marble and we actually watched in the presidential palace some ordinary people who managed to sneak in walking around with their jaws dropped. they could not believe how he was living at a time when syria was suffering so acutely and so this really

is a metaphor for for the root of the rot, for where it all started and what it really means. the spirit of this syrian uprising, obviously we're not going to sugarcoat it. there is a lot of anxiety in this moment. there is a lot of anxiety about the makeup of rebel forces about whether there will be chaos whether there will be strict islamic law. and so it's not that everybody is out in the streets celebrating, but most syrians are united in finding these displays of wealth and opulence. truly sickening and indicative of the sickness of the assad regime john, you can add my jaw to the list of those that have dropped at these images behind you these rows and rows of luxury cars. >> given what's happened in syria. also, i guess my surprise that days after the assad regime fell that they're still there and in one piece. so explain to me the state of

civil society in damascus right now. is there law and order right now there is. >> there was half a day when assad first fell where there was looting in the streets. it was quite chaotic. then you had more rebel forces from hayat tahrir al-sham coming down from the north with orders to really secure the capital and they're the ones who are in charge of this entire complex. they are not letting anybody in and out. i believe we are some of the few who have managed to get in here, and they have taken pains again and again to keep telling us that the cars have not been touched, that the cars will not be moved that the cars will not be stolen because they see their lack of corruption as being a badge of honor and a real contrast to the behavior of the regime there was in the presidential palace in parts, evidence that in those initial hours or that first day after assad fell that people had come

in and ransacked the palace but again, the rebels were really stressing to us. this wasn't our group. we don't do this now. i will say one small detail that i found interesting, john, when we went into the palace, the rebels who were guarding it would not talk to me or look at me until i put my scarf on and so as much as they are making these moves and saying things such as, you know people can wear what they want, this is a pluralistic society. we respect the rights of minorities. you do still have absolutely extremely conservative tendencies from the majority of these rebel forces who are now controlling much of this country, john. >> and that has been one of the major questions islamic fundamentalism what role will it play among the people who may rule this country going forward clarissa ward, we're so lucky to have you there in front of these cars symbolic of what has happened in syria for the last several decades symbolic of what is happening at this very moment that you were allowed in to show people

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to hegseth. you be the judge, iowa senator joni ernst said yesterday she will support hegseth, quote through this process. read into that what you will. but those two women are definitely critical in the question of what will happen with this confirmation. let's get the very latest. cnn's alayna treene is tracking all of this for us. what are you hearing this morning, elena? >> well, i do think kate you're absolutely right that i think hegseth faces another big test today when he meets with senator lisa murkowski. she is someone who has never been afraid to buck her party, to buck republican leadership. and so she's going to be a key meeting for him as will also senator susan collins, who we're told he's expected to meet with tomorrow. now, also today, hegseth is expected to meet with senators john cornyn, steve daines and cindy hyde-smith. so again really making his rounds and trying to meet with these different senators behind closed doors. one of the key things i'm told from my conversations with trump advisers and those working on the transition is that this whole process is about figuring out what his vulnerabilities are now. so that later on, when this plays

out in the public setting, which they hope he will actually get to, that it will be a much smoother process. now one key person, of course, that has been central to all of this, and you mentioned her, is senator joni ernst. she's a former iraq war veteran. she's someone who is also been very hard on sexual abuse in the military, working to clean some of that up. she met with hegseth again yesterday. she described the meeting as going pretty well. and one thing as well, in all of this, you mentioned her comments about women in combat. he tried to clean that up yesterday as well. he said that when he was trying to clarify these comments that he actually believes women are some of the country's greatest warriors, that he wants them to remain in the military. that's something ernst commented on as well. i want you to take a listen, though, to what senator joni ernst told our own manu raju we are supporting the process. >> it doesn't sound like you're a yes yet. is that fair? >> i am supporting the process. >> thank you. tom homan is miles above the assault allegations. do you believe those denials? i'll refer you

back to the statement to the pressure of getting back home and primary politics play into this. >> we have been talking these same issues. every meeting that we've had. and he had really thoughtful answers so kate, again, she's saying she's supporting the process, not saying whether she's you know, definitely in supportive of him. >> but to take a step back just to bring in some of the trump world thinking on this. donald trump remains to be very firmly behind him, i'm told. and part of that is because they, as of now, believe that there are no hard nos on hegseth, unlike what happened with matt gaetz a couple of weeks ago when he ultimately withdrew. however, that could of course, change very quickly. one big thing that everyone is waiting for is to see what happens with that fbi background check that hegseth said he was submitting himself to. so that's going to be one thing to keep looking out for. and again, a clear thing i'm hearing as well in my conversations is that a lot of people at mar-a-lago and on the transition team believe that trump cannot cave in to senators on hegseth. they believe doing that again would give them more power. and so he's really trying to keep

propping him up throughout this entire process. >> kate, very interesting, very clear. there's lots of power struggles going on over lots of these confirmations. it's good to see you. let's see what happens today. thank you very much. we're also following another breaking some more breaking news on a fast moving wildfire out west. we're going to stay on top of this. the california fire tripling in size and barely an hour. a student at pepperdine university is going to be joining us. classes have been canceled and a first of its kind, a publicly accessible ai video generator and why it is right now being totally overwhelmed take a breath of fresh air with a stanley steemer air duct cleaning. >> we clean over 10,000,000ft of air ducts each year with our specialized trucks built by us, removing the contaminants from your home, your air ducts aren't clean until their stanley steemer cleans your home it are you ready for this? >> are you ready for this? are

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shelter in place order at pepperdine university. this fire tripled in size in barely an hour for a while, it was 0% contained. it has now burned more than 1800 acres. we're looking, i think, at live pictures right now from malibu. these are live pictures. wow, those are dramatic pictures we're seeing from malibu. so pepperdine student nick girding has been sharing images from inside the university library where students are sheltering there. nick good morning or good overnight to you. tell me what's happening there and what you're seeing all right. >> so right now it looks like the bulk of the the danger of the fire has passed us a lot of what surrounds us is just kind of smaller, smaller bush fires. >> we can see a couple um, as you can see in that video there, you can see a couple bigger spots in the fire that have some people concerned. but overall, we are feeling much

safer than we were. say about two hours ago. >> so anyone who's been to pepperdine knows it's just beautiful. it's like one of the most beautiful campuses in the country. but i have to imagine you weren't thinking about the beauty overnight as this huge fire just exploded in size. so, so what did happen overnight so it started about i was in my dorm with a couple of my buddies, and it started about 1130. >> our power went out and then we got a call from a roommate saying that there was a pretty large fire. and so i ran down the hall, grabbed a couple of the friends that i knew lived closest to me, and we kind of made a game plan to head to the library because my brother, unfortunately went through a very similar thing about five years ago. and so i knew to go to the library. that's where we shelter in place. and so we've been we've been in the library for about six hours, awaiting orders. jim gash, our president has come in several times to give us lots of lots of updates

and what to do, what not to do. and we were told a bunch of times that we were in the safest place that we could be and that is true. >> i keep looking at those pictures, some of which you you took yourself. any buildings lost or affected at this point we are not 100% sure. >> we are worried about a couple of the houses up on baxter drive. that's where a lot of faculty lives. but nobody is completely sure of the damages. as it's so dark and we're a little isolated from some of the information, but it's nobody's fault, really. it's just the chaos of it all. but we're not entirely sure if any buildings have caught fire with us. >> look, i get it. i mean, looking at some of these pictures that have happened come in just over the last few hours. i mean, these are real fires really close to buildings there on campus. this looks like it must have been serious. what's the environment been like for you all in that library over the last several hours, i imagine a lot more people jammed in there than

normal yeah, it was. >> i mean, ironically, it's finals week, so there was already a lot of people here but, um, it's pretty jam packed. there's about maybe 300, 400 kids in here. and overall the the vibe was panic, but it was more calm than i expected. a lot of, a lot of people were taking um, taking time to pray as we are a christian campus. so taking time to pray, we were all just kind of waiting. it was just kind of a sense of waiting for the next move because there honestly wasn't much that we could do in that moment. and i feel like we all collectively kind of understood that. so i'm i'm grateful for the non panic that happened. but it was still very, very scary. >> sort of a non panicked high concern strange night during finals week. nick i'm glad you are. well i hope that those fires move past. continue to send us those videos because it's a remarkable vantage point that you have there. best of luck to you and your friends

there. thank you. >> thank you very much, kate. >> also breaking overnight. 26 year old ivy league graduate luigi mangione is now charged with second degree murder in new york for the death of unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson. we're standing by to learn when he will be extradited back to new york this morning. he's behind bars in pennsylvania, where he's also facing several lesser charges, including forgery and gun related crimes. police have arrested police there arrested mangione yesterday at a mcdonald's after an employee and a patron recognized him and called police, bringing that intense manhunt to an end. police say they found on him a black 3-d printed pistol, a 3-d printed black silencer. he also presented them with a fake new jersey id, the same fake id the suspect, they say, used to check into the new york city hospital before the shooting authorities say they also found a handwritten document they describe it as speaking to his quote motivation and mindset. joining us right now, defense attorney misty maris and former

fbi special agent ken gray. guys, thanks so much for being here. misty there is. and i'm not even listing out all of the things that have come out overnight. put it all together. what element of everything learned overnight since police started detailing? well, the criminal complaint and in these press conferences after his arrest what is most useful, do you think to the case that's going to be built against this suspect? >> yeah. kate, there is a mountain of evidence here, and a lot of it forensic. >> so we know that there's video evidence. we know that there's dna on the trail court on multiple different cameras, but the fact that he was actually taken into custody and that gun was on his person, that is going to be so key, because once investigators are able to link that gun to the killing, that's going to be a linchpin in the prosecutor's case. so just putting that whole trail together and then having the actual weapon that committed the crime that's going to be something that will really make the case very tight. >> there's there's there's more, um, there's his online

profile that people are piecing together and investigators are clearly digging into. one of the things that people are looking at is the reviews that he put out on goodreads from an account that investigators believe is linked to him giving a four star rating to the manifesto of the unabomber ted kaczynski. i raised that in conjunction with the way they're describing this manifesto, or document found on him what do you do with this? how do you use this? what what do people what should people hesitate? and maybe to putting too many things together so far? i mean how do you look at it? >> right. so there's a few ways to look at it first of all, it can speak to motive and motive. obviously everybody wants to know what the motivation was for this act now you don't need motive to prove a crime in a court of law. you don't even need motive to make that arrest but it certainly can be helpful when you're talking about bringing a case ultimately to trial. also, it speaks to mindset, and it can be critical for that element of

establishing intent. if you're talking about prosecuting a crime. so all of that, that whole online profile, we learned so much from the electronic footprint of any individual. it's all going to be weaved into the narrative of the case it's such a good point. >> and ken, on that gun. nypd says that they they this is the 3-d printed gun with a silencer, both consistent with a weapon used in the murder 3-d printed weapons. what kind of problems do these pose for law enforcement in terms of locating criminals and putting together these crimes? >> yeah this this gun is a ghost gun. >> and as a ghost gun is not traceable. uh, additionally you can get a ghost gun or you can build a ghost gun without going through any of the process of background checks or any of that aspect. so this gun is something that he created putting it together from parts and from 3-d printing. the base of it and put it together and then use it in the commission of this crime. and this gun

does not exist as far as traceability goes. he thought he was so much smarter than everyone else but why didn't he get rid of this gun why did he still have the gun? the magazine, the ammo? there which all link him directly to the crime. he also had his id the id he used at the hospital there. why didn't he get rid of that id? these are things that if he's so smart, links him directly to the crime, shows that he isn't as smart as he thought he was. >> that's definitely one of the questions. you know all of the, you know amateur sleuths, including myself on that one, was wondering why keep that idea and present it? there's also what his friends are saying about his recent encounters with the health care system, if you will, back issues that his friends have spoken to. ken, let me play this for you. listen i remember he said he had a back issue and he was hoping to get stronger in hawaii, so he's always focused on trying when he first came, he went on a surf lesson with other members and

unfortunately just a basic surf lesson. >> he was in bed for about a week. >> i know he was really focused on being strong and healthy but it also weighed on him that he knew that there was an impending surgery stating the obvious here is someone who has had back surgery recently back pain and back surgery does not lead people to murder, obviously. >> how does this element of it his interactions with the health care system, obviously you're talking about a health care ceo how does that help? or direct investigators now, ken well just as missy was saying, this helps tie him in to provide a possible motive. >> plus that manifesto lays out the really is a written confession in many ways. and so the fact that he had this back problem, he also apparently had grandparents that had gone through a process with the insurance company, might have also been additional motivation for him, but you really don't need the the motivation here to

make this case that gun, that id the the constant tracking of him through surveillance once the police were able to put this together, nypd was able to track him from before the crime. during the commission of the crime, and then after the crime. and those are the things that will be useful in the trial. the fact that he had back problems that is secondary to proving the case. >> ken, thank you so much. thanks for coming on, misty. thank you as always for helping us walk through this. much more to come here, john. >> all right. new overnight canadian prime minister justin trudeau warned that quote, life will become a lot more expensive for americans if president-elect trump follows through on his promise to hike tariffs. trudeau says the 25% tariffs threatened by trump would be quote, devastating for the canadian economy. it would also, however mean real hardship for americans, he said. trump appeared to respond on truth social calling canada, quote, a state, as in a u.s.

state, and trudeau a governor, and that he looks forward to continuing trade talks. let's get right to cnn's matt egan on this. good morning. matt. >> good morning john. listen, we've got to talk about the president elect's nickname for trudeau, calling him governor trudeau, even though he's obviously the prime minister of canada. this goes back to a joke that trump told trudeau when trudeau was at mar-a-lago recently saying that if canada can't handle his proposed tariffs, then perhaps canada should join the united states as the 51st state. this is a telling joke because it reflects how much trump loves to use tariffs as a weapon, a weapon that can pressure friends and foes alike to address problems everything from illegal immigration to drug trafficking. consider that just since winning the election trump has threatened tariffs on not just canada, but mexico, china and brics nations. that's a group that includes

india and russia and brazil south africa iran, egypt, india the uae. i could go on. again, that's just in the last five weeks. and trump, he has praised tariffs again and again. he's called himself the tariff man. he has said that he loves tariffs, that they're a perhaps the greatest thing ever invented. and look there is a case to be made for using tariffs as a powerful bargaining chip as a way to build pressure and convince other countries to come to the bargaining table and try to reach a deal. because of course, a lot of other countries they import stuff to the the export stuff to the united states, and they would be crushed if they could. no longer sell goods to america because trump has imposed a 100% tariff that does create real leverage. i talked to

economist stephen moore, who has advised trump in the past and moore said, look, if we could no longer sell stuff to mexico, we would survive but mexico, they would be crushed. they could not survive there. and moore told me, he said, it's a dangerous game, one that could work. one point we really need to stress here, though, john, is there are costs here, right? tariffs. they can increase costs to americans to consumers. a lot of companies have already warned this. there's a cost from all of the uncertainty here. and john, there is a risk that this gets out of hand and turns into a full blown trade war. >> all right matt egan for us. thank you very much, matt. with us now, former biden white house director of message planning megan hayes and former presidential campaign manager for marco rubio, terry sullivan. so there's tariffs and then there's just taunting, right? i want to read this full truth social post from donald trump overnight. he goes it was a pleasure to have

dinner the other night with governor justin trudeau of the great state of canada. i look forward to seeing the governor again soon so that we may continue our in-depth talks on tariffs and trade. et cetera. et cetera. i'm not sure i had, like, full on manifest destiny on my bingo card for international relations here. megan, what do you think of that? you know, basically taunting the canadian prime minister of the sovereign nation of canada look, i think that these are threats. >> these are things that he wants. he says he wants to do. but the fact of the matter is these tariffs are not good for the american people. and i think that folks know that this will add over $4,000 to middle class families. and i just don't think that this is a smart tactic. it's not a good negotiating tactic. and i don't see what you're doing to, to to be threatening with our partners from the north and the south terry, what do you what do you make of the taunting here? >> what are the limits of this? at what point? and i know trudeau's got his own issues politically inside canada. but i do wonder, with all these world leaders, some of whom have experience with trump, at what point they might just say

you know what? we've seen this before you mean the nato allies that are now paying more of their fair share of nato because of these type tactics, or the fact that when trump first tweeted this, that and then had a phone call with mexico, they said they were going to work harder to crack down on on the drugs coming through. >> i mean look, these tactics do work. you can say a lot of things about donald trump, but saying he's not a good negotiator just doesn't really match up. i mean, at the end of the day, putting pressure. putting hard pressure on these other countries to do their fair share and to play by the same rules that we do is important. and he's good at getting them to do it. and the proof is in his first, first four years, he used them very effectively. these tariffs aren't great. the unilateral tariffs aren't great for the us economy in many ways. but but you know, we're at the point now where it's negotiation. and he's using this as a tool as a lever. and look you know i do agree with megan that they are not going to necessarily he's not going to enact all these policies. but i do think it's a great

tool to negotiate. >> i mean if anyone's seen the film canadian bacon, i mean things can happen when there's this kind of language tossed back and forth over the border. i want to talk quickly about pete hegseth. both of you. this nomination seemed to be in a different place today than it was just five days ago terry, how important will the hearings themselves be when he does have to face questions in public under oath? >> i think very important. but look, i think that pete hegseth will really really thrive in that situation, that environment. i mean, he's a tv personality. he's going to be comfortable. he's going to he's going to be able to communicate his message in a very effective way which is one of the traits that donald trump wants in his in his cabinet level positions. and so, look there's there's a lot of things that are still need to come out fleshed out. there's an fbi background check for all of these folks. but at the end of the day, i think he's going to do do very well. and he's going to get confirmed. >> yeah. megan, if it is, if there is anything that blocks

the nomination, it will be republicans. it has to be, by definition republican votes that sink him. if that still has any chance of happening. so how do democrats play it then, in a public hearing so look, they continue to bring out these allegations that have come forward. >> they look at the fbi background check, and this is their time to put everything on the record and get everything out in the public view that that is what these these you know, the advise and consent is. and that's what these public hearings are the you know, the confirmation hearings are for. so i just think that they need to bring out all of their concerns publicly. they do not have the ability to stop this nomination. absolutely not. but they do have the ability to to let the american people understand who donald trump is picking for these massive positions that are wholly unqualified, not only just their qualifications and running such a large organization, but their moral character is not what the american people want to run an organization like this. >> all right, megan hayes, terry sullivan, thanks so much to both of you. appreciate it. right. jay-z makes his first public appearance since being accused in a new lawsuit of raping a teenage girl alongside sean combs

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leaving one very important question today, which is who is in charge and what is it going to look like in that country? fears remain about who will maintain power in the region in the coming days, and weeks. pentagon officials confirm they're working to ensure that chemical weapons left over from the assad regime do not fall into the wrong hands. there is a lot happening there and a lot at stake. joining us right now is cnn military analyst colonel cedric leighton. colonel, thanks for coming in the fall of assad and the power vacuum that remains afterward, it means what for the u.s. military and u.s. interests in the region? how important is the answer to that question? which is who is in charge in syria to the u.s. >> yeah, that's a really huge question, kate, and good morning to you. one of the key things that you have to look at is when there is a power vacuum, that's the perfect breeding ground for terrorist groups, such as isis to develop and to in essence, flourish. so we have to be very careful. force protection is going to be the number one issue for u.s. troops that are in syria. there

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