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a little bit like a joke that we thought my one friend thought he looked like the shooter. he probably heard us. that surprised me. he stayed there as long as he did. from what i was told, the worker that took his order uh, she said his eyes and his eyebrows. she just thought it was him. it's really. it's unbelievable. i still can't hardly believe it's for real. you know. cnn's brynn gingras is here on this. >> you've been taking a look brin at his new york charging documents that were just released. >> before you get into that. >> what should we be expecting from this extradition hearing? yeah. so, brianna, from those documents that we've learned, new york requested this formal extradition of luigi mangione earlier this morning. of course, now he has a hearing set at 130 there in pennsylvania. >> of course, at this hearing, he is going to have the decision. >> does he want to waive extradition or does he want to go through with the extradition? and we're

learning that if he does, you know, if he goes through with it, obviously, then he is going to be sent here to new york to face these charges. it's possible he could be in new york as soon as really today, tonight, maybe even tomorrow. >> so it's certainly going to speed up the process. >> but we did learn a lot of how investigators here in new york made the connection with luigi mangione found in that mcdonald's in pennsylvania with the case here in new york. so it has a little bit more details, which we've been discussing for the last couple of days. some key evidence, though, is that surveillance footage that police have been, you know, talking about ever since this case opened, they've been scouring all the cameras all across new york city trying to pinpoint the movements of mangione. allegedly, after this murder took place. and they talk about how he, you know, went he checked himself into that upper west side hostel. they have video of him checking in on november 24th. on that evening they have video of him. according to this document, leaving that hostel about an hour or so before this murder

took place. and they also a key piece is that new jersey fake i.d. that was used by mangione, according to this document, according to police, to check into that hostel. and it was also shown to police there in pennsylvania when they went and got the call about this person being a possible suspect in the case, he showed it to authorities. according to police. and this really does make the connection between here in new york. so like you guys said, we are waiting for the extradition hearing to see what happens next in these steps. in this case. >> and we're learning all sorts of details about his background and the months and days leading up to the shooting. what are mangione friends saying? >> yeah, you know, one friend telling cnn, this isn't a guy that you would think would self-destruct in this way is the way that they put it. you know, this is a person who we've been talking about. has ivy league education, went to some of the best schools in the country, comes from a very prominent maryland family. if you look at his social media

footprint prior to just really the summer, he was very active on social media. he had pictures with friends, pictures of his travels, and then the summer hit and something turned. you could see people tagging him, saying, are you okay? what's going on? one person, even, you know, checking to see if he was going to honor an rsvp to their wedding. so a lot of people grew concerned. i do want you to hear from one of his roommates who he lived in hawaii with, what they had to say after his name was revealed as the main suspect in this case. >> beyond shocked. it's unimaginable. you know, i was roommates with him. friends hiked, went to yoga. um, he was, you know, did his best to be athletic and unfathomable. knowing the kind, you know, person that i saw and knew never once talked about guns, never once talked about violence. um, he was absolutely a non violent person. um, as far as i could tell. >> and of course, investigators here in new york are going to try to question him more once

they are able to get in front of him. based off of this extradition hearing. and a lot of those questions, of course, are going to be on motive. obviously, there's a little bit more details that are sort of coming, uh, bubbling up as we learn more about mangione. but certainly this process continues for getting him to new york and to face this second degree murder charge, among others. >> and again, that extradition hearing is set for 1:30 p.m. in pennsylvania. brynn gingras, thank you so much for bringing us the latest there. let's discuss the details here with trial attorney mercedes colwin, along with retired nypd detective michael alcazar. he's also an adjunct professor at john jay college of criminal justice. thank you both for being with us. mercedes, i'm really curious about why this charge is for second degree murder and not first, if this shooting shows a level of premeditation i think it's open to to interpretation by the prosecutor. >> they will. >> that's a great question. >> they will look at first degree possibly. but right now

the second degree. and of course it could change depending on the their investigation. but you're exactly right, boris. there is so much premeditation. there's already whispers that there's going to be at least the defense will step forward. and saying that he may have had a psychotic break, which frankly, will be very difficult to show in if it is proceeds to some form of criminal proceeding beyond just the preliminary steps, because there is so much planning that took place. so if the defense comes forward and said there was some sort of psychotic break, it will be very difficult for them to demonstrate that. but at the at right now, at the inception, second degree murder seems to stick. but it could change depending on the investigation and certainly depending on whether or not the investigators will have access to mangione once he gets to new york. >> and michael, he was caught with all of this evidence on him, according to police, which is going to be tough to defend in court. why would he not have shed that evidence in your opinion? because there are

certainly different possibilities here from he expected to get caught and that was part of this or that. he actually had this grand idea that he would not be caught. so it didn't matter if he had all this stuff on him yeah. >> who knows what his mindset was. um, i also heard theories that he might have targeted other members of the organization. uh, could be as sick as he wanted to keep his trophies. right. but it was a gift for law enforcement that that he had all these this evidence, the weapon, the suppressor, the manifesto on him. and again, i think it's all great for. prosecution. >> well, not for the defense mercedes, what would the defense be after being found with all of this incriminating evidence oh great question. >> that's exactly right, brianna, because all of that will come forward. that evidence is so critical. you have the manifesto and in the manifesto there is specific references to unitedhealthcare.

we know that brian thompson was the ceo of the unitedhealthcare . so that's one number two, just the ranting and raving of the anger towards the insurance industry. and apparently this is at least it's been explained that mangione had a traumatic spinal injury that resulted in some sort of surgery and then some recovery, and that anger may have been brewed from there. and that was the difference in his personality. very much so. and it lines up with the timeline where there was this vast difference in the way that mangione was conducting himself with his friends and family over the summer. but any of that evidence, the fact that you have an id that is there, that is very problematic for the defense, the fact that you have the manifesto very problematic, the fact that you have a ghost gun that apparently was created by a 3-d machine with, with, and then not just the gun, but the silencer that is that is obviously very problematic. of course, that will have to be lined up with ballistics

experts, and they will have to show some connection to all of that evidence to the shooting of brian thompson. but it is very difficult in something that the defense is going to have to overcome. >> and michael, it wasn't just the evidence that he had on him. there was an extensive digital footprint online for this suspect, including a reddit account that cnn has found coincides with a lot of his biographical details. it is believed to be his reddit account, and he talks about brain fog. he says, quote, it's absolutely brutal to have such a life halting issue. the people around you probably won't understand your symptoms. they certainly don't. for me, i wonder what you make of that and some of the other things that have come out about what he was doing online yeah, absolutely. >> our detectives are definitely going through all his online activity to. establish motive. what caused them to target this organization, in particular this victim. so they're going

to comb through all his digital data, all his, uh, you know, rantings online. um, how did he identify, you know, the victim? was he specifically targeting the victim or was he targeting anybody at that organization? like, did he just get lucky? and when he saw him on the street, or was he, you know, was it just unlucky for the victim to walk by? he might have. you know, i know people are saying that he might have targeted other people in the organization. so there's a lot, a lot of information to go through. >> mercedes colwin, michael alcazar, thank you so much for your insights on this. mangione arrest is generating backlash online, not against the accused murderer, but against the mcdonald's where he was spotted. it's called review bombing. negative. even one star reviews have flooded the restaurant's google and yelp pages, forcing the two companies to remove the comments. some of them had terms like rats and snitches,

and even before mangione was identified, legions of online users related to the rage against health insurers. >> his alleged actions seem to reflect. joining us now is cnn media analyst sara fisher, who's a senior media correspondent at axios. tell us more about what these review bombers are saying and what platforms they're using to post on. >> anywhere where you can leave a review about a business, they're going there. >> so it's google reviews, it's yelp. >> they are mentioning to your point before that, this person who called the police on the shooter is a rat. they're making comments such as, there's rats in their kitchen. you can't trust that you're not going to get food poisoning there. now the tech companies are put in a really precarious position here because in one end, you want to never meddle with reviews, right? you want them to be organic. but what google and others are saying is that these aren't real reviews. you're not a customer coming in and checking out this restaurant. you're just leaving a review to put a disparaging light on the business. and so they're actually going and removing a lot of these reviews. yelp has

turned off comments, but what's going to be challenging here, boris, is this is really a game of whack a mole. you can try to delete as many comments as you want. if you're ebay or amazon, you can try to pull all the delay, deny, defend deposed merch as you want, but bad actors are still going to go out and continue to add it and continue to praise this shooter online. >> on the upside, i will say for this mcdonald's franchise, i don't know if people go to yelp to check out their local mcdonald's, but it's just so interesting that this is happening because it really seems like an extension of the reaction that we've seen since unitedhealthcare ceo was killed, that insurance companies are unpopular to the point of people widely, if anonymously, actually endorsing the idea of violence against them. how are other companies looking at this? how are industries seeing this sentiment? >> well, every single corporate ceo that i've talked to in the past week is beefing up their security because they understand that if one person can do a targeted attack like this, they might inspire other

lone wolves to go ahead and do the same thing within the health care industry in particular. brianna, when i was covering the campaign, one thing i noticed was that rfk's influencer set was really quick to jump on the donald trump bandwagon around health issues, frustration with the system. and i think you're seeing that sentiment carry over to this attack. normally in the wake of an attack like this, you're going to see tick tock sleuths and true crime junkies try to help the police try to find the murderer. in this case, overwhelmingly, the population wanted to sit that out, and i think it's because they had a large level of empathy with the health care insurance crisis. of course, violence is never the answer, but it's been shocking to see the backlash online. >> well, this this incident has definitely touched on an undercurrent of social rancor toward these health insurance companies. you mentioned something in your previous response about defend delay, deny or depose products popping up online. so essentially, this incident has become a cottage industry for folks selling t

shirts and other things. yes. >> and if you zoom out even further, this is the way that politics is really moved. if you think about donald trump getting on quick ahead of breaking news things and putting out the merch, it's the same type of thing happening here. what's notable, though, boris, is that those three words combined aren't violative of many policies. so if you're ebay or amazon, sometimes it can be hard to say. we have to take that teacher down. it violates our policies. you could run into some first amendment free speech issues. so what the fine line is that they have to draw is figuring out what is considered antagonistic versus what is considered free speech. and it's really hard is policing this stuff. i mean, amazon, ebay, they have millions of merchants that are using their platforms. every single day. >> yeah. sarah fisher, great to get your perspective. thanks for being with us. thank you. still plenty more news to come on news central. trump's pick for defense attorney is back on capitol hill today. this after attempting to clarify previous comments he made in which he said that women's service members should not serve in combat roles. what he now has to say about those remarks.

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has been very careful on her words and talking about hacks that i've asked her about all these allegations of misconduct, sexual assault allegations, excessive drinking allegations, all of which that hexa denies but undoubtedly will come up in this meeting this afternoon. now, this all comes as texas is undoubtedly stabilized things for his own prospects in getting the job among republicans. the joni ernst. you heard that meeting there. she came out of that meeting for the second time they met, saying that she would be supportive of the process. she sounded much more positive. there's a big pressure campaign from trump allies and people like joni ernst, who have been a little wobbly about backing him. and then last week, senator lindsey graham, someone who's very close to donald trump as well, said that he had difficulties. he saw difficulties in getting that confirmed. but i just caught up with graham, who met with hegseth yesterday, and he indicated to me, things have changed the accusations are anonymous. >> the police report i've read

right now. he's in pretty good shape. >> i think he's very smart. i actually was with him in afghanistan when he was doing his his duty. >> i was over there very briefly as a reservist. >> so the accusations about mismanaging money and about non-consensual behavior, if they come forward, i will listen to those accusations. but they have to be credible and they have to be presented in a fashion that pete can rebut. so he's much better off this week than he was last week so a much different tune than he had last week. >> and there are other critical meetings that he has as well, not just with murkowski, but also with senator susan collins of maine. another key swing vote. he's meeting with her tomorrow. but there are still at the moment, nobody on the republican side who have come out and said they will absolutely not vote for hex, which is giving the trump team hope that eventually he will get the job. and that's same

for other controversial picks like tulsi gabbard. for to be the top intelligence, the director of national intelligence. she's been back on capitol hill today. she still no outspoken opposition to her, despite some of her views, including on the issue of russia, and as well as kash patel, someone who would be the new fbi director. as trump is signaling he's ready to push out the existing fbi director, christopher wray. he met patel, just met with lindsey graham and graham also sounded positive about patel's prospects as well. >> brianna. all right. manu raju, thank you so much. we have cnn senior political analyst gloria borger and cnn chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny with us now. i mean, it's interesting because ernst is saying now she'll support hegseth through the process. that's not the same as saying confirmation. but at the same time, there's a range of possibilities for why she seems to be shifting more positively in his direction. >> well, first of all, there's a lot of outside pressure on her. she's up in 26 and they're running ads in her state about pete hegseth and

how fabulous he is. and i think she's gotten the message from the team, trump, that you ought to get in line or this is going to be really difficult for you and conservatives are hounding her. so i think she has you know, she is she has gotten the message. on the other hand, she's also talked to hegseth, and he's promised her an audit of the pentagon financial audit, which she really wants to appoint a senior official in charge of sexual assault to make sure things are handled well. so i think she's trying to extract some things from him. but i think the hearings are going to be really important because who knows what's going to come out in these hearings. who knows if this woman will testify? you know, there's a lot of unanswered questions here. >> jeff, to gloria's point, donald trump hasn't come out and try to put pressure on these skeptical republicans, but he doesn't have to. >> he hasn't yet. >> and that has been one of the many interesting things. look,

there are a lot of similarities about donald trump as he enters his second term here. >> but there are some differences, and i think this is one of them. >> he is allowing this to play out. >> but you're right, he doesn't have to because a lot of his allies are doing it for him online and whatnot. but every example or many examples of when the former president tries to pressure senators, it often doesn't work. look for rick scott, for example. a lot of his allies wanted him to be the majority leader. that didn't happen. so, senators, it is still one of the last not independent, but not, you know, completely a beholden body. so i think he is playing it pretty wise. but as for senator ernst, there's no doubt that she has felt pressure on the right here. but i think you hit it exactly on the head, brianna. support him through the process. that means get him to a hearing, but not promising anything more beyond that. and she will have a choice to make. of course, you know, she has a brand and a firm beliefs here, so she needs to learn more from him. but it's actually just getting him to the finish or the starting line rather rather than the finish line.

>> yeah. >> gloria, there are some comments from hegseth that he's tried to clean up, and i want to play a clip for us to show the comparison. this is pete hegseth talking about women in combat roles in the military. listen to this. >> i'm straight up just saying. >> we should not have women in combat roles. it hasn't made us more effective, hasn't made us more lethal, has made fighting more complicated. i also want an opportunity here to clarify comments that have been misconstrued, that i somehow don't support women in the military, some of our greatest warriors, our best warriors out there are women who serve raise their right hand to defend this country and love our nation. want to defend that flag? >> there's definitely a distinction in what he's saying, but he's kind of trying to clean it up in a way that makes it seem like he didn't just say that. >> yeah. i mean, first of all, no one ever said he didn't support women in the military. he said straight up, as he put it, i don't support women in combat. joni ernst was a woman

in combat, and i think it's very difficult for him to clean that up. he couldn't have been clearer in his initial in his initial statement. so he's trying to dance around it, talking about women in the military, which is a totally different thing. so let's see how he does with that. and the people, by the way, that he's got to convince are women in the senate. murkowski, collins, ernst. these are women. so, you know, you can't weasel your way out of certain things that you've said. >> that wasn't ten years ago. >> that comment was on november 7th. we're talking a month ago, so hardly, you know, a long time to have a change of heart. obviously having a change of heart because to your point, senator ernst and other women senators and others disagree with him on this, so he will have to change his tune a bit. and he clearly did last night on hannity. >> i do like to remind people of, you know, the reality of what dying as a service member was in the iraq and afghanistan wars. a lot of it was carrying

fuel and other supplies to the front lines in a convoy. so just this idea of what combat is, who is in danger, he can't get away. he's sort of trying to say women in the military. and then but you hold your hand to defend. but there are so many people when they are in a situation serving that they are going to be in danger without question. >> i mean, after america's longest wars, i mean, that is a very clear and he likely knows people he served with as well. certainly. i mean, this is very much, you know, in this generation. so that is such a good point you make there. it's not just simply who are on the front lines and fighter pilots and things, but i mean also democratic senators. i mean, tammy duckworth also will be asking him questions on that committee. so it is certainly, i think his committee testimony and performance there. and to show his before and after, not just on fox news, but under testimony or under oath, that will be fascinating. >> well, what he was implying in the first statement, i think was weakness that women were

weak and that they don't they don't have the amount of strength to perform in combat. and i think that's a hard thing to get away from. you can't just say, oh, women should be in the military. he's going to be asked how to explain that statement that women should not be in combat. flat out. why? why is that? what's the answer to that question? >> we'll see how he responds to confirmation. hearings will be explosive, no doubt about that. gloria. jeff, thank you both so much. so minutes from now, an extradition hearing will be held for the man charged in the murder of the ceo of unitedhealthcare. we have a live update for you in just moments hi, susan. >> honey. yeah, i respect that, but that cough looks pretty bad. try this. robitussin. honey. >> the real honey you love. >> plus the powerful cough relief you need. >> mind if i root through your trash? >> robitussin with real honey and elderberry. >> many remedies you take for chest congestion only mask the

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towards a new government following the stunning fall of the assad regime. the rebel groups that overthrew the brutal dictatorship have now appointed a caretaker prime minister to oversee the transition of power. but plenty of uncertainty remains. overnight, loud explosions rocked damascus as the israeli military says it has been striking syria's chemical weapons capabilities. cnn's clarissa ward is one of the few western journalists on the ground there. she's on the streets of damascus today, talking with syrians, reveling in assad's downfall and optimistic about their next chapter. >> the first couple of days we were here, the streets were pretty subdued. there was a lot of anxiety. and today we're really seeing people are out and they are celebrating. take a look behind me. all these young people, they are celebrating. they are posing for photographs, holding up their babies to show with rebel fighters. >> and i actually wanted to bring in. i've just been talking here with this young syrian woman, judith. tell me

how this moment feels as you can. >> is this working? >> yes. it's working. >> as you can see, this is 50 years of silence. >> this is the action of 50 years. >> he kept us in the dark. he kept us in the death. this is the reaction of the syrian people after 50 years of this regime, of this death, of this darkness. this is the new generation that will come out to the light now. this is the reaction. how does it feel for you? >> for me, as a 25 years old daughter, this is my father and this is my mother. >> this is. this is unspeakable reaction. this is me coming to the light again. it's the rebirth of the syrian people again. did you ever imagine, after 14 years? no no no no no. for me, it's been 13 years. >> for my dad, it's been 50 years. >> when you see, look behind you, you see rebel fighters with their technicals, with their big weapons.

>> this is. this is victory. this is the the this is the happiness i have never witnessed before. i've been living 13 years in war, in death and darkness. and this is amazing. this is unspeakable. actually, this is here. you can see the the the breath of freedom. this is absolutely amazing. this is i hope we can do more. this is this is only the beginning. this. it has to be a mess in the beginning. but i'm sure we can do something more and more in the future. thank you so much, judith. >> and it really is sort of wonderful, honestly, to hear that kind of optimism because as i mentioned, those first couple of days, those first few days, a lot of tension, a lot of anxiety, some chaos and looting in the beginning. >> now that there is a degree of calm and control in the city. >> you are seeing people come out and finally, just this outpouring of jubilation after

more than 50 years under the totalitarian regime, totalitarian regime of bashar al-assad and hafez al-assad, his father before him, after 14 years of the most brutal and ugly civil war. >> these people want the world to know that syria is free and is beginning a new chapter. i mean, the corruption that we saw in the presidential palace compound that we just visited is astonishing. while people in syria were starving, were being bombed, were being killed, were being tortured. he was living in lavish opulence with huge garages full of luxury cars. i'm just pointing over here and i don't know if we can get it at all. it's probably a bit tough without a tripod, but cameraman scott mcwhinnie, if you can see we're in umayyad central damascus, umayyad square on the top of that monument, you can see one individual who has been waving a flag clarissa ward, thank you for that report. >> and we do have some live

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and clearly out of touch. >> and insult to the intelligence of the american people that lived experience. >> all right, so we just heard him yell that about sort of something being unjust is an insult to the intelligence of the american people. let's bring in trial. attorney mercedes colwin with us. um, look, this is someone between what you're hearing him say right there manifesto messages left on these bullets. i mean, this is someone on on a mission. it appears he is the alleged killer in this case. we have to be very clear about that. he's facing an extradition hearing here. but i just wonder what you think of a moment like that. as you see it, knowing the evidence that police say they have on this person brianna, it's very disturbing. >> and those types of outbursts will certainly be evaluated by his defense team because

that's just not normal. i mean, we've already had reports that he has been very strange since over the summer that he has become reclusive. this manifesto is these rantings and ravings of an individual that obviously has some aberrant thoughts in his mind, and that's why he put it down on paper. so all of that is certainly very disturbing. the defense is going to have to evaluate whether this is an individual that really will even understand the charges. i mean, they may, depending on how aberrant his thoughts are, he has to be able to understand the process and the proceedings even at this, at this stage. and if there's some indication that he isn't able to do so, they might have to be some psychological evaluation. and then that will be reported back to the judge, and the judge will make the ultimate ruling as to whether or not to proceed with a proceeding. but this type of outburst is definitely very disturbing. >> yeah, no doubt about that. you saw officers shuffling him in as quickly as possible. i'm

wondering, mercedes, as you're talking about the suspect here, having a grasp of what the proceedings are going to be like, what actually happens at an extradition hearing it's there has to be an establishment by the demanding, state demanding state is new york. >> the asylum state is pennsylvania. so the demanding state that new york has to establish law enforcement, that this is the individual that was the alleged shooter of brian thompson. so they'll have to go through the evidence that we've already described the manifesto, the ghost gun, the images that we saw, even the even the eyewitness. and they may even bring in some of the eyewitness who was discovered, the officer, the arresting officer in pennsylvania will come forward and talk about the exchange that he had with mangione. it's already been reported that that arresting officer, when asked mangione the first words out of his mouth. it's been reported, he asked mangione were you in new york? and his and certainly mangione at least this officer claims that he was very nervous when asked that question. so

there will be testimony. there will be evidence. but mangione can waive it. i mean, depending on whether he waves it, it doesn't sound to brianna's point. doesn't sound like he may waive extradition, may waive the hearing, and if he does waive the hearing, then he will be extradited without any further process. it doesn't sound like that's going to happen. it will have to be. it certainly sounds like there will be this process with witnesses and evidence being set forth before the judge, and the judge will make the ultimate ruling that there is probable cause to establish that mangione is, in fact the alleged killer of brian thompson. >> and we are anticipating news out of that hearing soon. mercedes colon, thank you so much for giving us your analysis on what we're watching. thanks so much we're tracking more breaking news this on the west coast, an exploding wildfire is spreading at alarming speed in malibu, california, prompting mandatory mass evacuations that are underway right now. >> fire officials say this inferno nearly tripled in size

in the course of an hour, burning through more than five football fields worth of land every minute and even altering the weather as crews struggle to battle these raging flames. cnn's veronica miracle is on the scene in malibu. just stunning photos. stunning pictures that we've been seeing here. veronica, what are you seeing? >> oh, boris and brianna, 2200 acres of burned here. and although firefighters said that there was minimal damage, they haven't given us an exact amount of structures that have been burned. but we actually did see one that has burned to the ground. if you actually look behind me, there's some smoke coming out from the canyon down below the canyon there. that's where we went back to. and we did see at least one home that was completely destroyed. we also saw another home that was burning that firefighters were trying to douse with water. we spoke with a woman who lives back there. she said she barely escaped with her life last night. she was able to get a horse out, and she was able to

get some of her animals to safety. but the barn burned down. luckily, right after the animals were set free, and she said that it was incredibly traumatizing because they had no power. she so her phone had died. she had no service and therefore she didn't get any kind of alert. she just woke up and looked outside and the entire hillside was covered in flames, and they just had minutes to spare. so that is a bit of a concern that that may be discussed in the coming days, that because the power was shut off, some people did not have access to cell phone service. and we've had a lot of issues today with having any kind of reception here. so as you can see, the winds have died down right now, but there is concern that they're going to pick back up again this evening. i do want to mention that my cell phone actually just now cut out. so i can't hear you guys. so i'm just going to toss it back to you. boris, brianna keilar. >> clearly another sign of the myriad issues that these

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from what i understand, all of the buildings have been overtaken by the jungle. so, um, i find it just appalling, to say the least. >> yeah. and that, as you said, it's not worthy, which may answer the next question i have, which is that the tourism minister in guyana and there i mean, that's the supp there's a lot of government support for this evoked rwanda when explaining why they would go forward with this. the tour operator. referenced auschwitz. um, safe to say you do not believe these are in the same category. can you talk a little bit more about that? >> yes, brianna. i mean, there are 6 million people that were, um, killed during the holocaust. um, rwanda again, millions of people who were taken, uh, they were they were cleansing of, um, people that

were found to be, um, you know, disliked in their environments. this was a cult. now, if you want to do a, a museum on cults and why they are bad and how these megalomaniacs can attract people to their congregations, maybe there's some value to that. i find it really. it's a it's a lesson in the united states about how the state department failed in protecting american citizens abroad because there were so many defectors that had alerted the embassy in georgetown, guyana, of what was going on there. and they turned their eye and chose not to look into it. but this is not a a place that should be heralded in any manner whatsoever. >> i'm curious, congresswoman, what do you still carry with

you from that day? now, some 46 years ago? >> well, it's a life lesson for me. we can you know, never take any days for granted. we're not guaranteed a certain time here on earth. and we've got to make the most of it. so i certainly have tried to do that in my life. but we lost a congressman who was trying to protect his constituents who were living overseas. um, we had a state department that failed the american people. and the congressman, and there's many lessons to be learned. and i hope that as we reach the 50th anniversary, that we will be able to see all the documents that have been restricted over all these years. >> yeah, certainly, we'll be looking for that to see what we can learn. former congresswoman jackie speier, thank you so much for speaking with us about this. we really appreciate it good to be with you. your

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