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have a choice. you can believe that it's an innocent mis recollection, or you can disregard their testimony entirely. if you believe that they're lying. so you've got to be really careful when you're a lawyer representing one of these victims. but i'm sure tony buzbee has this as part of his pr strategy. >> he also mentioned nima, an unnamed celebrity who witnessed the abuse he claims and found it. i think the word was amusing. could that person possibly be called as a corroborating witness if not named themselves? >> i'm sorry, laura, i lost you there. >> there was also a mention of somebody. he mentioned that that person mentioned a celebrity who was bemused of sorts by what they were watching. i think i think we are missing his audio for a second, but >> thank you so much. and thank you all for watching as well. anderson cooper 360 starts
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right now. >> tonight on 360. police say they have evidence tying the suspect in custody to unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson's murder. and new details about the suspect's disappearance. not long before the killing. also tonight, a seismic development in the president elect's efforts to replace fbi director christopher wray with the trump yes man. director wray announces he will step down. and what a member of the senate judiciary committee makes of that move. plus, a mystery in the night skies over new jersey, swarms of drones with no clear answer. where they're coming from or why they're here. good evening. thanks for joining us. new york police now say they can directly tie luigi mangione to the sidewalk execution in midtown manhattan exactly one week ago this morning. >> first, we got the gun in question back from pennsylvania. it's now at the nypd crime lab. we were able to match that gun to the three shell casings that we found in
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midtown. at the scene of the homicide. also at our crime lab to match the person of interest. fingerprints with fingerprints that we found on both the water bottle and the kind bar near the scene of. >> that's new york police commissioner jessica tisch acknowledging what cnn was first to report today, that the fingerprints matched those of the suspect. luigi mangione. now, additionally, the new york times today revealed a key detail from the notebook he had when he was arrested, in which cnn first reported on last night. the times, citing a passage that reads, quote, what do you do? you whack the ceo at the annual parasitic bean counter convention. it's targeted, precise and doesn't risk innocence. we also learned more today about the suspect's movements in altoona, pennsylvania, where he was caught, a local hotel clerk told abc's good morning america this about his encounter with police, who questioned them about a guest there was somebody that checked
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in and the officer goes, did he have a mask on? >> did he ever take a mask off? i was like, no, he never did take his mask off. he says, i'll be down in five minutes to talk to you. we pulled it up on surveillance and sure enough, they go, yeah, that's him. >> also tonight, new reporting from cnn's john miller on how the suspect seemed to drop off the radar in the months prior to the killing. a law enforcement official tells john that when the suspect's mother reported him missing to san francisco police on the 18th of november, she told them she'd been trying to reach him repeatedly. and the last time she'd actually talked to him was on july 1st. when asked by police, according to this official, she said she had no reason to believe that her son was a danger to himself or others and that san francisco was the last location she had for him. again tonight, a lot to cover. joining us, cnn senior crime and justice correspondent shimon prokupecz, former federal prosecutor and bestselling author jeffrey toobin. also, cnn chief, law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller. john, what's the latest you're hearing from sources about where things where the investigation stands? >> well, the breakthroughs, of course, today were the fingerprint and the gun match,
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because the gun is with him in pennsylvania. so that puts his fingerprints, that gun, both in pennsylvania and at the scene of the murder. according to police. the next piece that has to come on the forensic side would be the dna matches. they extracted dna from the phone. does it match? they extracted dna from the water bottle, which, presumably he drank from. does it match? dna is very strong evidence. the third piece is they're making a movie. i mean, they're really retracing his his every step. during his time in new york city and beyond so that they can get to a place where a jury will see. first he went there, then he did this, then he went there. and a lot of it is going to be on video. when you consider the combination of forensic evidence, scientific evidence and video evidence, they are preparing what they feel is a very strong case. >> shimon, i mean, what do you think? what are the biggest questions still to be answered? >> i think his electronics, can they get into his phone? they found a phone at the scene. >> you saw him talking on a phone before the shooting as
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well. whether he was actually talking to somebody or not. >> exactly. so there's that. are they able to get into his laptop? they recovered a laptop at the at the mcdonald's. you know, he indicated that everything was locked up in his manifesto, in his writings, that everything was locked up. so can authorities actually get into those? and i think a lot of questions about the time he was here for those ten plus days, his time in altoona, where he was going. i still think those questions need to be answered by authorities. >> jeff, this is open and shut. i mean, you know, this is not a whodunit. i mean, look at the volume of evidence. >> his lawyer last night was saying there's zero evidence. well, that he's seen that he's seen. right, exactly. >> you know, lawyers say a lot of things, but, i mean, just look at the assembly of different, you know, evidence both in pennsylvania and in new york. plus what he said, i mean, he has said the motive for this crime. so, you know, i think his lawyers are going to be looking at a serious mental
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examination for him to try to raise some sort of issue about diminished capacity, perhaps even insanity, because whether he did it or not strikes me as something that is not going to be in dispute. >> i mean, it's interesting. his mom, according to reporting, had not been in touch with him since. i think it was july of of the summer. and then finally put in this, this missing person's report. >> i think you're seeing there the beginning of the family getting concerned because he's taken a turn injured in hawaii now with back pain constantly, according to his own online writings. um, presumably on medication, you can see the intersection of some things here. is that where he begins to lose faith and then grow anger at health care and the processes do the drugs that he's on to abate the pain? are they affecting the chemical balance in his head? a lot of these things we don't know may never know, but we know he ends up in san francisco and staying
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at a youth hostel, which also may have planted the seeds in his thinking. as that anger grew, that here's a place to go with minimal id and pay with cash and not cause a record. so they're really trying to take that blank spot in his life and get a richer picture. >> i mean, you read this thing he wrote, you know, according to the times, what do you do? you whack the ceo of the annual parasitic bean counter convention. it's targeted, precise and doesn't risk innocence. um, i mean, we still don't know shimon. any connection between him and this particular ceo. i mean, this particular company. >> now, all we have really is a mention of united in the notebooks, in his notes. but that's basically it. there's no other connection. he seems to have a pretty good idea. he knew he was going to be here, that brian thompson was going to be here based on what was available online. but he seemed to just have more precise information, and maybe he just got lucky in that he was able
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to encounter the victim here. but it's just it's really because there were all those questions like, you know, how does he know the victim was staying at another hotel? >> he wasn't staying at the hilton. >> he gives us a clue. he gives us a clue when he addresses the letter, he basically, you know, says, dear feds, assuming that he may have committed suicide or gotten killed during the capture or fled. but the three page letter starts off, dear feds. and he says, you know, this wasn't so difficult. all it required was a little social engineering. now, flag that, you know, a false call or a fake email pretending to be from the office or something to get that information. what hotel is he staying in? we don't know what that social engineering is, but as shimon posited, maybe when they get into the computer, get through the emails or the phone, and the other was cad, computer aided design, which is an engineers thing about making this plan in a systematic way. so he seems to be hinting to us that he used the normal things
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that people do to trick people, to give you information, but that email, that passage you just read is a very serious and thoughtful, if evil description of why he did what he did. >> so i think something like that is going to make any sort of mental defense very difficult. insanity defenses are talked a lot about on tv very, very rarely successful. and someone who can write something like that is generally is very hard to prove, even if he's having mental health issues, it's still not enough for an insanity. you know, our prisons are full of people with with mental health issues. in order to have an insanity defense. the best explanation i've ever heard is that you have to think you're actually shooting a watermelon, not a human being. then maybe you're insane, but someone who could write something like that knows exactly what he's doing. it's evil. it's awful, it's wrong, but it's not insane.
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>> and i think the other element is in the insanity defense world is did the defendant have the ability to understand right from wrong when you go to this much trouble and put this much work into evading being recognized, setting up the murder, evading capture, it's pretty clear that you understand this is wrong and you're trying to get away with it. >> well, also, if you're writing about not killing innocents, you do understand the idea of what an innocent person is. what a what a, you know, whether you believe, you know, i mean, obviously he's got a warped perception. shimon. thank you. jeff toobin as well, john miller is going to be back shortly on the christopher wray announcement that he's stepping down as director of the fbi. next, how the public's anger at the american health care system has made this alleged assassin a hero to some. we're joined by bestselling author and podcaster scott galloway. also tonight, remarkable reporting from cnn's clarissa ward in syria. this is incredible. she was at a prison. she made a stunning discovery. a man locked away in a forgotten cell. >> after three months in a
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>> it's unknowable. who, if anyone else, might be contemplating the kind of action da bragg is referring to. as for the celebration of the crime and veneration of the suspect, that much is plain to see. more from our randi kaye. >> whoa, whoa. back up. he's accused of cold blooded murder on a new york city street. yet support for luigi mangione is exploding online. >> if we let o.j. off the hook, why can't we let luigi off the hook? >> on tiktok, the hashtag free luigi is inspiring videos like these. >> we need to go ahead and get down to business and figure out how we're going to help my boy, luigi. we need to put some money on the man's books. make sure he can have honey buns for days. okay, while he's in there. >> this tiktokker echoed frustrations, writing, people are tired of being treated like a number. >> people get into these jobs and positions and forget that these numbers that they're interacting with affects actual people's lives. >> others offering themselves up as alibis. >> listen, luigi mangione could
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not have killed that ceo that morning. i know, because he was on a zoom call with me organizing a fundraiser for kids and canines with cancer free luigi. >> the propping up of mangione is so outsized, one tiktokker even suggested time magazine should make him their person of the year. >> free my boy. he didn't even do it. >> mangione has inspired merchandise to coffee mugs, one emblazoned with the words i'm in love with a criminal. mangione lawyer told cnn that people have been reaching out to his office offering to pay mangione legal bills. he's not sure he'd accept the money. >> obviously, my client appreciates the support that he has, but it just doesn't sit right with me. >> a legal defense fund has also been set up on behalf of mangione. by wednesday afternoon, the fund had reached over $30,000. some of the anonymous donors included the words deny, defend, depose in their message, at least one referred to mangione as an
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american hero in altoona, pennsylvania, where mangione was arrested at a mcdonald's after an employee called police. support for him has given rise to threats in the community. >> we have received some threats against our officers and building here. we've started investigating some threats against some citizens in our community. we're taking all those threats seriously. >> the mcdonald's is being targeted to fake reviewers online writing, never eating at this mcdonald's again. imagine going to grab a big mac and witnessing officer snitch snitch employee of the month calling the feds on a hero, referring to mangione. another fake review reads why go here when taco bell is just across the way and knows how to keep their mouths shut? >> yo, good morning to everyone other than the person that snitched to my dog luigi, like you. why didn't your mother teach you? snitches get stitches. >> back in new york city, so-called wanted posters have turned up, possibly suggesting some sort of rallying cry. the
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posters show faces of executives and ceos, including brian thompson, who mangione allegedly gunned down his is marked with a red x. it's unclear who is behind the posters. randi kaye, cnn atlanta. >> so with that as a backdrop, some perspective now from scott galloway, professor of marketing at nyu stern school of business and host of the prophecy podcast. scott, i mean, were you surprised by the kind of rage and vitriol that we saw online after this murder? i mean, the idea that a mcdonald's employee or police officers who arrested this guy are getting threatened is crazy yeah, an initial blush. >> anytime you see the murder of a and this was an innocent man and the kind of despair that his family and anguish is going to feel. yeah, it's incredibly upsetting and shocking. i think that's the story. the story is, and what's going through or what was going through the the murderer's mind at the time the story was, is really about the response. but when you think about it, when you go on or think about it, kind of a
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second level effects, i think it all reverse engineers to one thing, anderson. and that is quite frankly, it's income inequality. and that is when we get to the levels of income inequality we have in the united states throughout history, they've always self-corrected that's the good news. the bad news is the means of self-correction are usually one of three things either war, famine, or revolution. and i would argue that this, along with some other movements, whether it's black lives matter or the metoo movement, are really going after the 1%. and i just think there's a lot of rage out there. two thirds of medical debt is or two thirds of bankruptcies. medical debt plays some role in. so the rage, as you think about it, i don't want to say what the way it manifested is understood, but you can understand the rage, if you will. >> i mean, do you think health care. i mean, that rate you talk about the rage on income inequality. it focuses on health care. it has the level of anger been rising, do you think, or has this story just become kind of a vessel for outrage that's been out there for a while i think i think the
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answer is yes. >> i mean, health care in america costs $13,000 per individual. in most western nations, it's $6,500. it's literally double the american consumers pay triple for pharmaceuticals, on average, $1,500 per consumer versus 500in other developed nations. despite the fact many of these pharmaceuticals were developed and manufactured here, and also despite the fact paying almost double what other countries pay for our health care, we have worse outcomes. we have lower health expectancy. infant mortality is a much greater greater obesity rates. so i mean, in some health care is bad but expensive, and it results in a lot of despair and anguish across american households. what i would argue is the rage is targeted at the wrong people. it shouldn't be targeted at the ceos. for profit companies are doing what they're supposed to do. it should be targeted. our legislators, who despite 70% of america wanting universal health care and price caps, consistently block them. why the biggest lobbyists by dollar volume in dc is not the defense industry or big tech. it's the health care industry. three
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quarters of $1 billion in two thirds of those lobbyists. anderson, were former government officials. >> you said in the past you actually don't have health insurance. why did you make that decision because my health insurance for my family, because i'm a narcissist and i wanted the best health care. >> it was about 50,000 bucks a year. and i'm at a point now. i'm blessed. i have the economic security where i can absorb any health care costs, and 45% of insurance costs go to health, go to profits and administration. meaning for every dollar you pay for health insurance, you're only getting $0.55 back and they have $0.55 back. and they have a vested interest in blocking and making it difficult for you to get claims. so i'm in the fortunate position where i don't need health insurance. and i went naked about seven years ago. i've saved about $350,000 in health insurance costs, which will buy a lot of health care. but the unfortunate thing here is that really insurance, anderson, like so much in our society, is nothing but a transfer of wealth from the lower middle
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federal prosecutor and house republican aide, said he would shut down fbi headquarters on day one and reopen it as a, quote, museum of the deep state. patel was on capitol hill today meeting with senators after wray's announcement. here's what he told our manu raju. >> we look forward to a very smooth transition, and i'll be ready to go on day one. >> the senators have been wonderful, and i look forward to earning their trust and confidence with the advice and consent process and restoring law and order and integrity of the fbi. >> back with us, cnn's john miller. you know, chris wray, what do you make of his decision? >> i was surprised at it. and that is because chris wray and i saw him on november 21st. he made a speech, you know, to the packed ballroom of retired fbi agents. and it had a tinge of sadness because it it felt like a farewell speech by then, president elect trump had announced he would be replacing him with kash patel. but the fbi director is appointed to a ten year term for a reason. it
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is literally meant to limit the kind of power j. edgar hoover had being the fbi director for 48 years. too much power in office, too long, but also to keep it apolitical by being able to cross over more than one presidential administration and maintain that independence. trump fired the the fbi director before him, james comey, and is preparing to remove him. so he's kind of end run that. but i thought he would stay to protect the integrity of the ten year term and say, i won't go unless removed. i think what you're seeing is a torture decision by a man who didn't want to put the people of the fbi through that, though. >> why do you what do you think his legacy is at the fbi? >> well, i think his legacy is one of success in that. and, you know, in the time he has been there, even at a time when, you know, people talk about the fbi has lost trust, you know, he managed to triple the number of applicants, people, regular americans
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coming and applying to work in the fbi, increase the task forces to, you know, 9000, almost 10,000 agents and police officers and make important partnerships in the areas where the fbi figured out we can't do this without help. cyber and espionage. and i all these things on the forefront. but the tangle there is that he ended up being the leader of the agency that was the lead investigator on the documents case at mar-a-lago targeting donald trump, the january 6th prosecution and so on. and from donald trump's point of view, that's not just a guy doing his job. he takes that personally and considers it disloyal. >> you think about the time chris wray became fbi director. i mean, it was, you know, after comey was fired wray seemed to have kind of stabilized it and was not out in front in front of cameras trying to get attention. he was trying to kind of seemed to me save the fbi and kind of get bring
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morale back. >> i mean, the fbi was very much in the sights of angry politicians at that point, including the president of the united states when he was appointed. what he did is he took the submarine below the surface. i have been in field offices, particularly here in new york, with chris wray, but i've been in other places where where he's addressed, you know, large groups of agents in all hands meeting saying, listen, i know what you see. i know what you hear. your job is to block out the noise, what you read, what you hear on the news, what the politicians say. your job is to focus on the mission. focus on the case, and go wherever the facts lead you. as far as the flack will handle that. >> john mueller thank you. appreciate it. perspective now from minnesota democratic senator and judiciary committee member amy klobuchar. senator, do you agree with fbi director wray's decision to resign before president elect trump had a chance to fire him? >> you know, i would have loved to see him stay on for his full
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term. >> christopher wray is someone that was appointed first by george bush to be head of criminal after nine over 11. he then went on to serve with great distinction, appointed by donald trump himself, fbi served through president biden's term. he exemplifies the motto of the fbi fidelity, bravery and integrity. so of course, i'd like to have seen him stay on. but i understand his decision. he wants to leave on his own terms, and there was no sign out there that president elect trump was going to keep him on. and this way, you know, he gives a month to say goodbye to his frontline workers. he supervises over 30,000 people across the country, and also to put his affairs in order. and i think it was the right thing to do, given the remarks that the president elect has made about not wanting to keep him on the kash patel who president elect trump has nominated to to take over the agency. >> i mean, he's spoken about decentralizing the fbi,
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essentially, literally turning the headquarters of the fbi in washington into a museum for the. about the deep state. do you think he can get confirmed? >> um, i think that kash patel nomination is a reason that we're going to have background checks on these nominees. it's one of the reasons, when you look at some of the nominees, why we have to have an open hearing. i just don't think that should be the mission of the fbi. it shouldn't be a revenge mission. of course you're going to put people in jobs that presidents trust. that's true around the board. but i just saw your cnn poll pop up on the screen that 75% of americans value experience. and when i look at what the fbi does on a day in, day out basis, yes, the field offices are incredibly important. they're important in minnesota. but as i just explained, the work that they do at headquarters when it comes to coordinating a major, major manhunts or when it comes to coordinating what has to be done when it comes to cyber
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threats and terrorism threats, that is traditionally and in now and in the future will be done by people who are dealing with these threats all over the nation and not just in a field offices across the country. as important as that work is as well. >> do you think kash patel could pass a security check? >> i have no idea. anderson, i have no idea. as you and i have noted before, president trump has been putting up some interesting nominees. i think i remember suggesting that maybe you were going to be the next one put up, because he's put up so many television people. i was thinking, though, that you better watch it on new year's eve if you want to get that alcohol, tobacco and firearms jobs. >> okay. >> but the point is, is we have these open hearings. these people are going to be managing frontline workers that put their lives on the line. so they better pass an fbi background check. we better feel comfortable in the u.s. senate. it's our job to advise and consent under the constitution and our job to
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support and defend the constitution when we take our oath, and that is what we have to do our jobs. and it's not just democrats, it's republicans, because they are ultimately going to make the decision if they want this man heading up the fbi. >> you're also the chairwoman of the senate committee on rules and administration, which held a hearing today on the u.s. capitol police ahead of congress certifying the election results on january 6th. what more can you tell us about it? >> so this is the culmination of a lot of work that i did, along with former senator blunt, senator fischer, now and then, of course, senator portman and peters, where we came together. and we did a major security review of what went wrong on january 6th. there was the obvious hearing in the house later, but this was purely on security. we found out that our officers didn't even have riot gear. 75% of them didn't have riot gear. some of them had their riot gear that were locked on a bus. there were the haunting words of the officer over the police radio that day. does anyone have a plan? does anyone have a plan? so today we
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reviewed the fact that chief manger and his incredible line officers have met 103 of 103 recommendations from the inspector general and the changes that had to be made with equipment, intelligence gathering, officer retention. but it was a moment where we could look back at our work and tell the chief, job well done. >> senator klobuchar, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> well, coming up in syria, families still desperately searching for loved ones in the notorious prisons and torture chambers operated by the assad regime. critics were sent to these secret prisons and brutal conditions throughout the civil war. cnn went inside one of those newly liberated facilities, and our clarissa ward made an incredible discovery behind a cell door that was still locked. a forgotten prisoner. that's ahead new year's eve live with anderson and andy. >> live coverage starts at eight on cnn.
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regime, major players in the region including the united states, turkey and israel are stepping up their activity in the country, launching strikes on military targets, hoping to prevent terror organizations from making gains. now, the israeli military claims to have confiscated several syrian tanks in the buffer zone that separates the two countries. for his part, the leader of the rebel group now in control of the country, said his team is working to secure potential chemical weapons sites and promised to shut down the notorious prisons operated by assad. thousands of people deemed enemies of the previous regime were held tortured in those prisons. many have disappeared. cnn's clarissa ward visited one facility and made an incredible discovery. here's her report. >> deep in the belly of the regime's air force intelligence headquarters. these are english letters. we are hoping to find traces of austin tice, an american journalist held captive in syria since 2012. it's one of many secret prisons across the city. this specific branch was
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tasked with surveillance, arrest and killing of all regime critics. >> these are all cleaned out. >> we don't find any hints of ties, but come across something extraordinary. >> i can't tell, though. it might just be a blanket, but it's the only cell that's locked. >> is he going to shoot it? >> the guard makes us turn the camera off while he shoots the lock off the cell door brace up we go in to get a closer look. it's still not clear if there is something under the blanket. oh. >> it moved. is there someone there? well, i thought i saw it move. is someone there? or is it just a blanket? >> i don't know. i'm a little. i think it's someone. hello? okay. he's just. i just. yeah. oh that's okay, that's
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okay. >> murphy. murphy john joyce. journalist. journalist. >> i'm a civilian. he says. i'm a civilian. >> it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. hamas. jay-z. hamas. >> he tells the fighter he's from the city of homs and has been in the cell for three months. >> okay, okay. >> you're okay. you're okay. you're okay, you're okay nala. clutches my arm tightly with both hands. okay does anyone have any water water? >> a dish of my my my my my my my. okay. >> it's water. it's water okay. okay okay. okay. you're okay. are they hadi. >> you're okay you're okay. >> we start to walk him
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outside. thank god you are safe. don't be afraid. the fighter says you are free. this is the third prison they brought me to. he says the third prison after three months in a windowless cell, he can finally see the sky hello. >> hello. allah. hello. >> the light, he says. oh, god, there is light. my god, there is light. >> okay, okay okay okay. >> okay can you come here? >> you're okay. stay with me. >> stay with me. >> repeats again and again. okay. >> mike. hello. my name. >> for three months, i didn't know anything about my family. i didn't hear anything about
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my children. the fighter hands him something to eat. barely lift it to his mouth. >> okay. >> but his body can't handle it. >> okay. you're okay. >> his captors fled during the fall of damascus leaving him with no food or water. that was at least four days ago i'm shaking. my face is shaking, he says. the rebel tells him there's no more army, no more prisons, no more checkpoints. are you serious? he says. kiara syria is free, he tells him. it's the first time he has heard those
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words. he tells us his name is adel herbel and that officers from the much feared mukhabarat intelligence services took him from his home and began interrogating him about his phone. they brought me here to damascus. they asked me about names of terrorists, he says. did they hit you? the fighter asks. yes, yes, he says. adel, as a paramedic, arrives. the shock sets in there's nothing. everything's okay. the red crescent is coming to help you. this man assures him you are safe. don't be afraid anymore. everything you are afraid of is gone. hamas tens of thousands of syrians have disappeared in assad's prisons up until 15 minutes ago. adel herbel was one of them. he is still petrified.
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>> la al hilal. ammar. >> don't be afraid. don't be afraid. the ambulance worker reassures him. every car i got into, they blindfolded me, he says. it is the end of a very dark chapter for him and for all of syria. but so many ghosts remain. >> clear. that's just an extraordinary report. what more do you know about this man and how he ended up in the prison? >> well, we don't know that much because you can see from the report, anderson, that he's in a deep state of shock. and honestly, i don't think he understands why he was taken. and this is something that's really important for our viewers to understand about the way the regime operated with impunity, plucking people off the streets for any number of different reasons or possible offenses. you didn't have to be an activist. you didn't have to be outspoken against bashar al-assad to fall afoul of his regime and to end up in one of
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these dungeons. he says that they accused him of making phone calls to people who they call terrorists. again, important to remember that terrorists for them, could refer to anyone who essentially was critical of bashar al-assad or who was supportive of this uprising. and i think what it really speaks to anderson is this broader issue that we see in syria, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have just disappeared into these dungeons. adel was one of the lucky ones. he w his family for so many others, we don't know if they're alive and we don't know if we will ever even know with certainty whether they're alive or not where they were held, why they were held. this is a country that is grappling with question after question, anderson. >> and the look on on his face, it's just it's incredible. clarissa ward, thank you so
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for. >> i'm a downloader right now. i'm pete muntean at reagan national airport. this is cnn for weeks now, new jersey residents have been plagued by unexplained drones flying overhead. >> you can see tiny lights behind the trees there in the dark sky. very hard to see. officials don't know where the aircraft came from or what they're doing in their proximity to military facilities has been raising some concerns. new jersey state lawmakers met with homeland security and fbi officials today for an update on the investigation. gary tuchman has more. >> questions abound about what these moving lights in the sky are, but there seems to be certainty about what they are not. >> it definitely wasn't a plane because it was too low, and it was also going back and forth and then forwards and
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backwards. >> mark taylor is the mayor of florham park, new jersey. >> they look like a small car to me. they're their wingspans are probably six feet across. >> what they appear to be are drones, clusters of unidentified drones flying much lower than a plane would. >> i think the creepy part is not that it's just a drone that they're so large. >> in new jersey's ocean county, sheriff's deputies took their own video of the drones. >> we saw something flying a little low, so we took some video of it, you know, and not really sure what it was. definitely something flying low and fast, lower, faster and larger than a recreational drone, says the deputy. >> it was coming in our direction. it spun around 180 degrees, went back out the other way. then it kind of looped around and then took off past us. >> planes, they have, you know, a white tail light coming from them. and each each wing has a different color, whether it be red or green. whatever it is, it's it's different. >> understandably, there is concern the drones are occasionally flying near military facilities. but the
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pentagon knocked down this social media post. new jersey republican congressman jeff van drew, who claimed an x, that the drones are, quote, possibly linked to a missing iranian mothership. >> there is not any truth to that. there is no iranian ship off the coast of the united states, and there's no so-called mothership launching drones towards the united states. >> but it's all still a mystery. homeland security and fbi officials in new jersey have just met with state and local lawmakers. they and the state's governor have stressed the drones do not appear to threaten public safety. nevertheless, people are calling myself my home. >> you know, it's just it's one of those things where they are alarmed. >> it's definitely something. and we're just going to be looking into it a little bit more to see if we can figure it out. >> gary tuchman joins us now. so i understand the new jersey state police have made an announcement about the drones right. >> the state police are saying they're about to receive some new technology from the federal government. drone specific radar that should help in the detection. right now, anderson,
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we're in hoboken, new jersey, outside the train station. people coming home from a day of work in new york city, back to jersey. some of the people we're talking to are concerned. most of the people, though, are just very curious. and if there are drones in the sky tonight, it will be virtually impossible to see them, because here in most of the state of new jersey, it is raining and visibility is very limited. >> anderson. gary tuchman, thanks so much. our senior data reporter, harry enten, joins me now with more on the mysterious drones. usually the data guy. now you're the drone guy. i have never been looking more forward to a story in my entire life. let me tell you why. because, you know, the bottom line is, when i get into trouble, the first person i call is my girlfriend. okay. she's the first person i call. and in this particular case, i wanted to do some original reporting. and it turns out that my call her, i called her. turns out her mother has actually been filming some of the drones. really? yes. going over morris county. i think we have some of the. there it is. we have some original video right there that was taken by my girlfriend's mother, nancy. i think it's going to zoom in and you'll be able to see some
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of the drones that come in. she's she's zooming in and let's see it come across the screen. and what is so amazing to me about this was nancy was just when i went over for thanksgiving. she just could not stop talking about these drones, these drones in the sky. she was so amazed by them. and so she was sending a ton of video to her daughter, my girlfriend. and what's so interesting is that morris county, which is where nancy lives and where my girlfriend grew up, it was one of the first sites where the drones were actually seen. and what's so interesting, how long has this been going on for? yeah, this is what's so incredible, right? so you start off in morris, you then you go all the way and it's been expanding, including staten island reports of philadelphia. and how long has it been going on for? look at this. we have been seeing drones in the sky now for four plus weeks. the first reports came out and we're talking about the amount of drones per night, upwards of 49 plus drone sightings. so this is crazy. it's happening all over new jersey. and there are a ton of drones. it's amazing, but nobody knows what there are. we have no freaking idea what these are, and that's why we
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know how many drones there are. well, as i mentioned, you know, we're talking about these all the same drones. no, we have no idea. it's all a great mystery. and that's what's so amazing about this. we even have pictures of them. we're just showing a black screen. well, i think what we're going to see is some of them coming across the sky there. i think that we see some of them. let's see if we can see. harry, you just ate up a three minute segment and you actually really said nothing. no, no, no, i know i would never do that. i just wanted to be with you. i haven't been with you for a while. but you know what's so interesting? i like the personal connection to the drone. thank you so much. and i appreciate nancy's video. thank you. and what i will note here, because i have to bring it back to samantha. google searches in new jersey. you got 20s to eat up. i can, i can, i can do it. look at the google searches for drones this month. up. get this over 6,000% from the ten year average. so people are really interested. they did bring some data. thank you. you always bring data for you i appreciate it. thanks. thanks, anton. the news continues on cnn. >> out front. >> next we have breaking news. the manhattan district attorney moments ago says he's looking at more charges for the ceo murder suspect. as we learn
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what luigi mangione mother told police about her missing son. and joanie's attorney will be out front. plus, ted kaczynski's brother has a message for the ceo murder suspect who repeatedly praised the unabomber. this is an outfront exclusive. and new details tonight about the relationship between vladimir putin and the failed dictator. he's hiding in russia. and what bashar al assad's son was doing on the very day aleppo fell. let's go out front. and good evening. i'm erin burnett outfront tonight, we begin with breaking news, more charges. the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg, says he's confident that the alleged killer, luigi mangione, will be extradited to new york and quickly, and that he could face more legal trouble. telling abc news moments ago, and i quote the district attorney, as we learn more about motives and other things like that, there may be additional charges. it comes as troubling new details are emerging about the alleged killer luigi mangione and the