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that have been spotted in the night skies over the past month. >> and no one seems to know why. a mystery so bizarre. the fbi and homeland security are now getting involved. we're going to be joined by a new jersey mayor to talk about what's happening over his town and his level of concern. we're following these major developing stories and many more, all coming in right here to cnn news central hello, i'm brianna keilar alongside boris sanchez here in washington and the attorney for accused killer luigi mangione is casting doubt on the forensic evidence that the nypd says ties the maryland man to the assassination of unitedhealthcare ceo. >> last week, new york police say the gun that was found on the 26 year old when he was arrested in pennsylvania matches three shell casings found at the crime scene in new york. and investigators say mangione fingerprints matched
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ones that were recovered on evidence, including a water bottle, a food wrapper and sources say a burner phone that was discarded near the scene by the killer. >> manhattan district attorney alvin bragg says he is confident that mangione is the killer of brian thompson. listen obviously, this is a profound, profoundly disturbing, as we've alleged murder, and we would not charge the person. >> we didn't think it was the person. and we're prepared to go forward but the attorney for mangione says he has yet to see any evidence for himself. >> saying you have something and getting that admitted into court are two different things. we need to see it. we need to see how do they collect it? how much of it matches. you know, like, i don't want to get too technical, but fingerprints, they go by ridges, different things like that. and then we would have our experts. we would have experts take a look
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at that. and then we would challenge its admissibility and challenge the accuracy of those results. >> joining us now is criminology professor adam lankford of the university of alabama and former new york police detective sergeant felipe rodriguez. he's also an adjunct professor at john jay college of criminal justice. thank you both for being with us. felipe, you just heard mangione attorney there casting doubt on some of the science behind the evidence that police say connects mangione to the scene. is that science credible? >> the science is credible. >> but you got to remember his number one responsibility is to do what? cast doubt. cast doubt on how the evidence was collected. to make sure that we don't have the situation with cross-contamination could have occurred. cast doubt on the partial fingerprint saying that you know what? this just aren't enough ridges. whorls, you know, to make sure that we have a positive identification. he's trying to pick it apart just from the beginning, and that's the job of a defense
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attorney. >> yeah. and also, i wonder. adam, there's so much. and it's hard to say, but it's true. there's popularity for this suspect. we're seeing that you heard bragg lamenting that. and i wonder if you see that as somehow ultimately playing in this case well, absolutely. >> it's concerning. but of course, it's nothing new, right? we've seen a bunch of different killers, assassins, terrorists, mass shooters, cop killers who expressed anger over things that many americans are angry about, but ultimately, there's a big difference, right. and and the studies i've done of ideologically motivated killers really showed that. look, they're different from the average american. they're often socially isolated. they're struggling, romantically, romantically,
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sexually. they're unhappy, unhealthy. usually young men, um, and they have nothing to lose. right. so there are ways that this individual could have fought through the system. he chose a criminal route. um, and really, that makes him different from the rest of us. >> i wonder, adam, what you make of his attorney's suggestion that he hasn't seen any of the evidence that authorities have, but he sort of questions some of the science behind those things, like fingerprinting and dna evidence. at what point does he start talking to his client about a potential plea deal? as we're watching the evidence start stacking up right. >> there could be a leverage game here, right, where they're essentially saying, if we can dispute some of the evidence, maybe that will give us some leverage to to get a better deal. but, you know, one of the things that's interesting about this is sometimes the clients, the criminal suspects do not cooperate. it wouldn't surprise me if in this case, this health care shooter actually says, i want to stand behind my distorted message,
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right. um, that he wouldn't want to deny responsibility, but rather claim it. that's quite common in these cases. although, you know, what kind of message is he really claiming? you know, i read the manifesto less than 300 words. not a lot of original thought. um, he even admitted in it, you know, that that he wasn't the most qualified person to understand this issue. so, um, but that's what we get with these kind of individuals sometimes where they want to claim responsibility no matter what their lawyer says. >> yeah. i saw you nodding, too at that, philip, maybe you can talk a little bit about that, but also what what investigators are doing right now as they're awaiting this extradition process. well, he fights extradition in pennsylvania. >> well, one thing we got to look at, remember, this case is not over. the gathering of evidence is not over. they're still going over cctv footage trying to get that digital trail. we're trying to see footstep by footstep, exactly where he went. we're trying to
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make this an airtight case. you know, one of the biggest fears. and, you know, as a professor, i tell people we got to be careful with jury nullification. you know, he's become a social legend. superhero, almost. you know, a social media superhero. and at this point, the prosecutor, i think, is going to have a hard time trying to find people that are sympathetic to him. and jury nullification is a simple concept, but guess what? it doesn't matter how the d.a. presents it. it doesn't matter how well it's gathered, the evidence and everything else. the jury is going to see things a certain way, so he's going to have to be very careful. and the detectives still have a lot of work. you know, they got to make sure that every step, every dot, everything is done. exactly. otherwise they could, you know, have a big issue. >> i do also wonder, as you talk about that sympathy, felipe, whether you have concern about copycats in the future, seeing as he's gotten so much support and there's a lot of folks out there that are angry over a litany of issues. >> well, you know, he did highlight a very big point. and
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it's it's, you know, it hit home with a lot of individuals. so yes, we are concerned about that. you know, the way we're seeing it now, people think, you know what, take someone's life. if you think it's a just cause, social media might back you up and, you know, the court of public opinion is actually swaying in his direction. that's the way things have changed lately. >> yeah, it's a troubling trend. felipe. adam, thank you so much. we really appreciate your perspectives thank you so his writings show that mangione may have been inspired by another famed wanted man, unabomber ted kaczynski, and the brother of the serial killer spoke to cnn about the suspect's praise for kaczynski, who was serving eight life sentences when he died last year at the age of 81. david kaczynski wrote, quote, i love my brother, and turning him in was the most difficult and painful thing i've had to do in my life. but as much as i love ted, i hate what he did to kill and maim his fellow human beings.
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whatever you may think of ted kaczynski, his ideas and i do believe they merit thinking about we must reject his harmful actions. >> it does seem that mangione embraced kaczynski's belief in violence to advance political ends. and cnn's jason carroll looked into their similarities for us and insult the intelligence of the american people. >> if luigi mangione speaks like he did outside court tuesday, investigators listened closely and not just to what he's saying now that he's in custody, but also to what he has said or written in the past, such as these unsettling words violence never solved anything is a statement uttered by cowards and predators. mangione wrote that in january 2024, in support of the notorious unabomber ted kaczynski. it's part of the goodreads review. mangione wrote of kosinski's 1995. antitechnology manifesto industrial society and its
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future. >> we just hope that this might be of additional assistance in obtaining leads regarding the unabom suspect, kaczynski terrorized the nation for years. >> he served eight life sentences for sending mail bombs that killed three and wounded 23 others. from the late 70s until the mid 90s. according to an nypd intelligence analysis report obtained by cnn, mangione may have found inspiration in ted kaczynski. the report reads. he notably praised the writings of kaczynski mangione, like several passages from kaczynski's manifesto in his review, defending it, writing, it's easy to quickly and thoughtless. write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic. >> i think mangione is very much inspired by the work of kaczynski and his manifesto. >> scott bond is a criminologist who has written about serial killers and kaczynski. he says he sees a chilling similarity.
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>> they have to find a way to justify it, and in the case of kaczynski and also mangione, i believe that they justified it as this was a necessary evil. >> other notable similarities. both men are highly intelligent and ivy league educated. kaczynski, a harvard grad mathematician. while mangione minored in mathematics at the university of pennsylvania, where he also majored in computer science and engineering and had a masters. kaczynski was estranged from his family, living as a recluse in montana. mangione mother reported her 26 year old son missing about two weeks before the shooting, telling police at the time she had not spoken to him since july. and while kaczynski targeted universities and airlines, mangione allegedly had his sights set on the health care industry and unitedhealthcare ceo. police found a three page handwritten claim of responsibility on mangione. he also wrote in a
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spiral notebook, much like kaczynski did, writing what could be better than to kill the ceo at his own bean counting conference. it should be noted that kaczynski's brother david has spoken out in the wake of the shooting, saying violence is not the answer. in a statement to cnn saying kaczynski's actions were blind, misguided, cruel and utterly inconsistent with his goal of preserving our basic humanity, we must remember that our world is never improved by violence, only by love. jason carroll, cnn, new york. >> and our thanks to jason carroll for that report. still to come, fear and frustration over mysterious drone sightings over new jersey. a local mayor says his town is, quote, literally being invaded. >> and puberty blockers for minors banned in britain. while america's highest court considers state bans on transgender health care. we're going to speak to a pediatrician about what this means for kids and parents.
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problems with democrats and republicans have agreed on serious problems that democrats and republicans in the senate worked out a bipartisan bill to address. and so we can basically uh, enable ourselves to have a win for the economy, a win for families, and restore the rule of law. >> i'm wondering about what trump told time regarding rfk jr.. a vaccine skeptic, and directing him to study rising rates of autism diagnoses. kennedy has implied that there's a link between the two, though scientific scientific studies have repeatedly shown zero evidence of one. you'll obviously be voting on rfk jr.. s confirmation to hhs early next year. is there anything kennedy can do to sway your vote? >> well, there's one thing that kennedy has supported, which i am in full agreement on, and that is that we should be negotiating the price of every drug that no american should be paid more, be paying
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children. >> you serve on the senate foreign relations committee. so there were a number of things i wanted to ask you about in that regard. and trump expressed some desire in this interview to claw back president biden's recent policy change that allowed ukraine to attack targets inside russia with u.s. weapons. if that is revoked, what would it mean for ukraine? >> you know, the experts have really disagreed on how significant this is because, for example, the planes that were placed within the distance of those missiles were easily moved to other bases. so so it's really been a split decision on on how essential this was. the real concern is more about cutting off funding to ukraine. i think it's clear to everyone that in the end, this is going to have to be settled by negotiation. it's pretty clear to everyone that we're pretty much at a at a stalemate. but what we also know is that if we undermine
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ukraine's ability to carry on the battle at this point by defunding them, if we also break down the partnership with europe, destroying the ability of ukraine to defend itself, then ukraine will have no position to stand on for that negotiation. so i'd be a lot more concerned about his threat of ending funding for ukraine than i would about the the policy regarding the extended missiles. >> sure. i do want to get your thoughts on on the record on one thing before we go and that is trump apparently inviting xi jinping to his inauguration in january. do you think that that's a way to open up a different level of dialog with the chinese leader well, it is bizarre. >> this is not something we have ever done. and to invite authoritarian leaders to come or an authoritarian leader who doesn't value anything about the government the idea of government by and for the
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people, he's all about government by and for himself, by himself. essentially the dictator that controls china and so, because trump has expressed a lot of admiration for autocracy and, and, and leaders like putin, i mean, what's going to come next? an invitation to putin. leaders like putin and like xi, who are deliberately undermining our republic, they're using propaganda to undermine it. their their trade strategies damages. uh, i, i think it's a basically a terrible idea. we should be selling the idea of democracy around the world, not butting up to dictators. >> senator jeff merkley, we have to leave the conversation there. appreciate you sharing your perspective for us. >> it's good to be with you. take care now. >> thanks so much. you too. still ahead. lights in the sky and fear and confusion on the ground. we have new details
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and federal law enforcement told members of congress they do not currently suspect foreign involvement, while local officials are alarmed. the white house says there is no immediate cause for concern we have no evidence at this time that the reported drone sightings pose a national security or a public safety threat, or have a foreign nexus. and joining us now is the mayor of middletown township, tony perry. mayor, thank you so much for being with us. and you did get a briefing that i want to talk about. but first, can you just tell us what you've seen, what people in your area have been witnessing yeah, for the last week or so, we've had more than 40 drones over our township, which includes 42mi÷ and 68,000 people. >> and most importantly, in my perspective, aside from the safety and security of our residents, naval weapons station earle, which is a munitions depot run by the u.s. navy. so for that amount of
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time, we've been seeing drones. in fact, just yesterday i saw another one right over top of route 35 near one of our electrical panels. >> so electrical substations here in town. so it's concerning for a lot of residents. >> yeah, certainly. and you did receive a briefing yesterday at new jersey state police headquarters. and i know you you said that you left with more questions and concerns than than when you arrived. tell us about that well, first, i was really concerned at the fact that the fbi was not there to conduct the investigation because for weeks we've been told and have encouraged our residents that they should be contacting the investigating agency, and that's the fbi. >> so when we all drove out to ewing township yesterday in mercer county, county, we all sat there and were absolutely confused as to why we were not being briefed by the fbi, but instead by the state police and
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the department of homeland security. and they said that that was an oversight. so i think it's a little unacceptable to sit there and not have the investigating agency give you that briefing. and i think it's about time that the federal government realized that it needs to get up and start reacting to what has been now a nearly a month of time that these drones have been hovering over, over new jersey. >> so you're not satisfied with their response? certainly to you and the folks in your community. but you did mention, i know that you learned in the briefing that the coast guard is monitoring the shoreline for possible vessels that could be serving as a base for these drones. tell us about that. >> yes. state police had discussed where the drones might be coming from. they were unable to tell us because they have not been able to chase or m the time they launched to the time they land somewhere, which
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is certainly concerning, and that the battery life of these drones is lasting anywhere between 6 and 8 hours. but the coast guard is apparently along our 130 mile coastline here in the state of new jersey, looking for any type of vessel that's able to serve as that platform for these, you know, suv sized drones to take off and land, which is obviously incredibly concerning because that, you know, obviously shows that this may be more of a foreign actor than than anything else. >> so nsc spokesperson john kirby said there's no evidence at this time the drones pose a national security or a public safety threat or have a foreign nexus. does that give you assurance? >> absolutely not. the pentagon and the state police and everyone else can provide me and tell me that there is no imminent threat until, you know the origin and what these drones intents are intent is,
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how can you tell me that there's no imminent threat? and that was the position that most of the mayors in the room yesterday took at the fact that we're tired of, of kind of this lackadaisical attitude that the federal government is taking. and that's a bipartisan position in that room, that why are we just acting as if this is just these amazon drones that people can buy and fly recreationally? we're talking about drones that are going upwards of 60 to 70 miles an hour. they're 6 to 8ft long with battery life that's lasting, you know, hours and hours and hours on end. so i'm not sure how anyone can just sit there and say that there's no imminent threat. i'm not saying that people need to start having a panic, but we can start acting and taking it seriously because i don't think the federal government has taken it seriously to date. >> you want answers? a lot of people there do. mayor, thank you so much. it's certainly interesting to hear what you
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found that louisville police have engaged in a pattern of violating constitutional rights and discriminating against the black community. cnn's nick valencia is following this story for us. nick, walk us through what's in this agreement. >> well, boris, this comes nearly five years since the fatal shooting of breonna taylor, who was shot and killed by a police department officer with the louisville police department while she was inside her own home in the middle of the night. >> and as you mentioned, the feds investigation found that the police there in louisville engaged in a pattern that's discriminatory against its black residents and that they often violate the constitutional rights of those engaged in protests. >> now, the mayor of louisville says that these reforms that the doj is asking for will just be added to those that are already in place since her death, breonna taylor's death, that is, in march of 2020. one of those changes, you may remember, includes a city law banning no knock warrants. now, some of the other changes that the doj is asking for in their report here that we just got our hands on are appropriate de-escalation techniques, an attempt to resolve incidents without force, and also, very
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importantly here non-law enforcement deflection teams to situations involving people in a behavioral health crisis. so people going through a mental health crisis. it's important here that this agreement is just in principle and still needs to be approved by a judge. but once that does happen, it's just only it seems a matter of time that a federal officer will be sent to louisville to make sure and monitor that these changes are put into place, but very significant here in the aftermath, in the wake of the death of breonna taylor. boris. >> nick. how long before a judge decrees to approve this deal? >> we don't know. and there's been at least a dozen that have been affected by the biden administration in the last four years. this is one of the only consent decrees that has stuck. you remember last week we were reporting here about the consent decree that the memphis city of memphis was pushing back on. so it appears that they're at, you know, at this time, the city of memphis and the doj are on the same page. they're willing to implement these reforms. we just don't know about the timeline of those reforms and when they will happen. boris. >> nick valencia, thank you so much for the update from atlanta. still ahead, the uk
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week in a conservative majority on the court appeared sympathetic to backing a tennessee law banning gender affirming care for minors, specifically its ban on puberty blockers and hormone therapy. doctor edith bracho-sanchez is with us now. she's a pediatrician at columbia university irving medical center. doctor, thank you so much for talking with us about this. first, just walk us through what these drugs do absolutely, brianna. >> thank you for having me. so these medications are known as gonadotropin releasing hormone analogs, which is a mouthful. what they do is that they block the release of estrogen and testosterone. and those are the hormones that are known to trigger puberty. and many of the physical changes that we have come to associate with puberty. so they are puberty delaying medications that have been used in this country for many, many years. they've now, of course, come under political scrutiny. but but that is essentially what they do, brianna. >> so i do want to point out
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and it's hard, i think, for people who are looking for answers here, because the pediatric endocrine society says puberty blockers can carry some risks. more long term studies are needed. the american academy of pediatrics says long term studies on fertility and bone health are limited and provide varied results. so what are the risks, at least what is known about them brianna, i think you are absolutely right that people may be left feeling confused. >> right? there's some guidance that's coming out of england. there are different organizations that are weighing in. let's focus for a second on the medications themselves and the risks of them. right. so so the medications have been used for over 30 years in this country. they are used to delay puberty. so i have kiddos who i see who are school aged five, six, seven years old who are entering puberty too early, too soon, and we need to delay it, right? imagine a five year old, a six year old entering puberty. those medications have been safely used in those kids for over 30 years. we're
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talking side effects that may include bone density being affected, growth spurts being affected. we're still learning about the long term effects on fertility, but the medications themselves are generally safe and again, have been used for many years in this country, brianna. >> so conversely, you have advocates there. there are advocates for trans youth who say that there are mental health risks for minors who want to use these interventions if they are prohibited from doing so. opponents will emphasize physical risks. they say those ones even that you delineated that it's too much, right? they'll also say that warnings about mental health are overblown, or they're completely wrong. and then just to show how difficult this can all be, to sort out this question of it in october, the author of a federally funded study said that their study found puberty blockers did not appear to improve the mental health of 95 children ages 8 to 16, who were followed for two years to understand their mental and physical
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functioning, but that she ended up delaying publication of some of her results because of fears that they would be weaponized in a heated political climate, and researchers say puberty blockers may have prevented a decline in mental health, even if they didn't lead to improvement in mental functioning. that may be a hypothesis, right? we don't know. so how do you make a call from that kind of data that's available? and were you also have folks who are not publishing some data? they have. >> brianna, i think the conclusion that any reasonable person would reach after hearing you talk about where the data is, is that we need more data, right? but that shouldn't preclude us from trying to do the best that we can do for every single child and every single family. right. so my concern as a pediatrician is when the political debate, the debate in the court of public opinion gets so out of control that now we have to take everybody else's opinion into consideration in the exam room, as we're trying to do the absolute best that we can
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do for every kiddo and every family. right? so we just have to take a step back and express concern that politics has taken over that, that politicians are inserting themselves into our exam rooms. we need more data. absolutely. but i do think that people are looking at this and reaching different conclusions, brianna, and that many of us have seen some of these medications when used in conjunction and taken very seriously. right. and do good for some kids and some families and some kids and some families. when used in conjunction to other things and treatments. right. so so we're not talking about jumping to this. it's something that we take very, very seriously. and really as pediatricians, we're in the business of listening. we're in the business of caring. we're not in the business of politics. we have no agenda other than to help kids thrive. brianna. >> and back to the uk. and that need for more data, a planned national health service
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clinical trial on puberty blockers is allowed to proceed. despite this indefinite ban, and the ban is going to be reviewed in 2027. taking any new evidence into account then i mean, how important is that? >> so important, and i'm so glad you're bringing it up, because the headline that we're hearing is the uk has banned puberty blockers. right. and what's getting lost in translation and in the headline is that they're continuing to allow it under clinical studies. right. so they are saying for some kids this needs to be studied. some kids need to continue to have access to this. so i do think there is an understanding there that for some kids this is beneficial, that there is a need to continue to study this. and and they're saying for those kids, go ahead and enroll them in these protocols and these studies, which in my opinion, and here's an opinion, right. and does pose a number of ethical issues. right. like now you have to enroll and the process of consent gets a
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little bit jeopardized if you want to continue to receive this care. but even in the uk, which is getting lost in the headline, it is continuing to be available for the purposes of clinical studies. >> brianna, we should note they're grandfathering in people, and it is a small number of people who are using these interventions as well. just another sort of footnote, doctor edith bracho-sanchez, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me, boris. >> now to some of the other headlines we're watching this hour. president biden is commuting the sentences of about 1500 people who were released from prison and placed on house arrest during the pandemic. he's also pardoning 39 americans convicted of nonviolent crimes. the white house says this is the largest single day act of clemency in modern history. plus, a month after going missing, a hawaii woman, hannah kobayashi has been found safe. according to her family, though they did not say when or where she was found. you might recall the 30 year old was last seen crossing
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and put out a little fire in the guesthouse and saved me unbelievable. >> but as van dike and his wife escaped, one family member was unfortunately missing. van dike, writing on facebook that their cat bobo had escaped. there was so much interest in bobo's safety that he says animal control was actually called in to assist bobo. >> safety is of ultimate importance. and a happy update bobo was found this morning. though the beloved cat does not look thrilled about his rescue. van dike says that thankfully he was easy to find and not harmed. of course, the legendary actor turns 99 tomorrow. so from our friends here at cnn, happy birthday to dick van dike. he looks great for 99. >> doing great. sounds great. can we get another picture of bobo? put bobo back up here. boris. that's just how cats look. bobo is happy. he's fine. is he happy? he's just a cat in the lead with jake tapper. starts right now

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