about it. >> it is odd that a state would adopt daylight savings. it just seems like the wrong way. >> we were like number 48 or 49. we weren't last. >> i don't mind either one. as long as you have a consistent, i don't really care one way or the other, but i do say this it is daylight. tomorrow will end at 4:29 p.m.. that's when the sun will set here in new york city. 429 is way too early for the sun to set. can we please have it at 529? again, i don't want to have to have my day end before it's even 5:00 and the work hasn't ended. >> so you support the trump policy? >> i support having a consistent no. he wants to get rid of daylight savings time. i want to have daylight savings time all year round. >> odds that he knows the difference between daylight saving time and standard time. probably right. one of his oligarchs donor said. >> i was trying to end on a bipartisan note. i think that this would be one of the most popular things if trump could get it done. congress sure knows they've been trying.

>> tonight, paranoia is setting in as the drone mystery widens. donald trump offers his suggestion as the head of homeland security comes on cnn to try and end the hysteria. plus, the fbi reveals a key tip they got before the suspected killer's arrest, as luigi mangione gets a high profile new york defense lawyer and the confession years in the making. the woman who lied about the duke lacrosse rape now admitting in public that it was all made up. tonight on laura coates live the drone mystery is starting to get out of hand. donald trump, the incoming commander in chief, is now suggesting to shoot them down if the government truly does not know what's going on. and this is no longer limited to new jersey

anymore. reported drone sightings are in in new york. they're in connecticut, pennsylvania and maryland. governors are getting louder. the public wants answers. and the few we got today, they didn't come in a briefing. instead, they came right here on cnn when the head of homeland security came on to try to calm people down. >> we have not seen any unusual activity we know of no threat. we know of no nefarious activity. it is very common for individuals who think they see drones to actually see small aircraft. and and we have a case of mistaken identity. also, we have six different people reporting what they think is a drone. and all of a sudden we have reports of six drone sightings. so there's some duplication. >> now, multiple things can be true at the same time, right? maybe these sightings are

actually manned aircraft. maybe they are duplicated reports. but this has gone on for weeks now. the drones are often said to be big, not the way they tell me, not the radio shack kind. the reports aren't just coming from online conspiracy theorists and the tinfoil hat types either. take new jersey senator andy kim. he went out with police last night and posted what they saw. they even used a flight tracker app to help distinguish the drones from the airplanes. they often saw multiple lights at a time at low altitude. the app showed no aircraft nearby, and kim says they were moving in ways that planes do not. so now we appear to be in a kind of jersey pickle. the federal government says it's nothing. state and local officials are not convinced at all. they're launching their own investigations, and they're demanding to hear a whole lot more i agree with the

assessment. >> based on the briefings i've had from dhs and the fbi, that there is no reason to believe these drones pose any immediate, credible threats to public safety. however, they have a responsibility. the fbi, who's the lead agency here, and dhs, these are our federal partners who are responsible for this airspace with the faa to brief the public more thoroughly. >> others, though, are coming up with their own theories. >> personally, i think it's potentially our own government that may be doing some surveillance or counterterroris m. but then be honest. be honest with the public and let people know, because right now we feel like a bunch of characters in war of the worlds, and we deserve to know the truth. >> now, trump, as i mentioned, sounds like he's running out of patience. he says the government either needs to release what it knows or shoot them out of the sky. that might not end well if there actually are, of course, manned aircraft, or if one lands on someone's home. but until the answers are clear, a lot of new

jersey will be acting like ray liotta's character from goodfellas. looking up at the sky. paranoid. if something's flying overhead. joining me now middletown, new jersey mayor tony perry. mayor perry, thank you for joining us this evening. mr. mayor, secretary of majorca saying tonight there is no threat or nefarious activity as of today, knowing that there have been multiple reports, maybe of mistaken, i guess you'd call it identity. what do you make of his statements well, it was very clear. >> i heard the secretary's comments, and i have to say, as one of the mayors and elected officials that are on the ground, obviously here in the state of new jersey, it shows you just how out of touch the secretary and washington, dc truly is from the executive side of of our government because just as i'm sitting here, you can see clearly three drones sitting outside of our

town hall, hovering over what could be our reservoirs, our electrical grid system, and most importantly, our military installation that calls middletown home. and for secretary mayorkas to diminish that and call it duplicates, is is just irresponsible on his part. >> so what are you hearing from your constituents? i mean, and again, there could very well be some duplicates and reporting that could be true. it could also be true as you identify that there are some sort of drones that are flying that need to be identified to put you lawmakers, the residents, america at ease. how anxious are your constituents today? >> well, you know, we started spotting these drones just last week here in monmouth county and in middletown. you know, they had started up in morris county, up near the picatinny arsenal, another military installation here in new jersey. and my residents are really fed up. they are tired

of the inaction by the federal government. they are concerned as to their safety and security and as elected officials, it's our responsibility, first and foremost, to provide a safe place for them to live and for their families. and right now, seeing that in action, you can't help you can't blame them for their concern, their serious concern at the fact that these drones continue to fly over their homes and our critical infrastructure here in here in monmouth county. >> so what would convince you that the right hand knows what the left hand is doing, and that there is certainty that there is safety? >> well, i guess first and foremost, it would be nice if the federal government and the white house would come here to new jersey, come to the ground. the the president has raised money here in middletown several times, but maybe he should step aside from the

campaigning part of things and come to the governmental part of his job and perhaps put some of those resources that the federal government has on the ground here, because right now it's our county sheriffs, it's our local police departments, it's our state police that are at the front lines. yet the federal government has the jurisdiction. when you have incidents like hurricanes or superstorms, the federal government is on the ground in a matter of minutes. and right now, when you have a concern that a foreign adversary potentially may be flying drones over top of your town, over top of military installations, you would think that the federal government would be in a little bit of a rush to get on the ground and understand what is exactly happening, and use all the resources that are in their possession. >> totally unsettling, to say the least. mayor tony perry, thank you so much for joining. >> thank you so much for having me. >> i want to bring in an eyewitness who spotted drones flying over new jersey just last night. joel anderson is

also a counter drone expert. joel, welcome. you say they're out there. tell us what you saw. and how do you know it was a drone and not a plane, as some have described? or maybe some other manned aircraft? >> sure. well, drones are pretty classically identifiable. you've got a couple different types. the primary ones are quadcopters. there's the traditional ones you might see at a retail store with the four propellers on them, and then fixed wings that do look a little bit more like a traditional aircraft with a wing and a single propeller in the front. what we saw just recently, my own team coming back from a counter-uas demonstration. we're very much so loitering drones, which is another good key giveaway, is when they can sit still in the sky or loiter, you know, it's a drone. >> so the fact that there's no movement in any direction would alert you that it's not. maybe a plane flying overhead, but who do you think could be piloting these large objects? some of them are pretty big in size. i understand some have speculated it could be a foreign actor. the government says there's no danger. what do you say? >> yeah. look, i think the thing that we need to remember is that the cost of drones and accessibility has gotten so low

and so widely accessible that it could be anyone. and even if it was our own country performing tests on a need to know basis and not disclosing that, it does highlight that our local authorities and federal agencies have a massive capability gap in their ability to detect, track and defeat, if necessary, drones that are in the sky. >> so you build something called counter drone systems. first of all, what is that? and also with the technology that's available, why can't we figure out what these are? who's controlling them? >> yeah. so we build with a counter drone system that is kinetic, meaning we use small arms or firearms to actually defeat drones in the sky with very precise shots and auto aiming capabilities. other attempts or methods to deal with drones to deny their ability to fly can include complicated solutions like electromagnetic things, jammers, spoofers, things of that nature, but they become very expensive and they're easily portable, whereas bullets are relatively cheap and the collateral of them is is very easily managed, just in the same way that it would be with bw. >> but you're not allowed to shoot these down willy nilly in

places like jersey, right? you have to have these other countermeasures available. what is the resources for doing that? >> well, the reality is other countermeasures don't work on hardened drones. and we see that in ukraine. and i think that i hope that this opportunity anyways is really opens the eyes of congress to change the laws to enable the right authorities to actually do something about these drones and equip them with technology that will let them do so. >> joel anderson, thank you so much for joining. >> thanks for having me. >> let's continue our conversation with cnn military analyst, retired air force colonel cedric leighton and cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former deputy director of the fbi, andrew mccabe. when both of you were in the studio, i know something is really happening, by the way. i'll begin with you, colonel leighton. there may be some false sightings, as they described senator andy kim, though, posted that on x that he saw drones while on patrol with officers. they had a flight tracker distinguish it from airplanes. and here's what he said. we saw a few that looked like they were moving in small clusters of two and four. we clearly saw several that would move horizontally and

then immediately switch back in the opposite direction in maneuvers that planes can't do. is there reason for concern in your mind? >> well, i think it's pretty clear that what senator kim saw is very much a drone or a series of drones. and what this looks like to me is that there's some kind of a drone swarm, or at least the beginnings of a drone swarm being possibly practiced, the maneuvers being practiced, the operations being practiced, and swarming technology is something that, you know, is is really indicative of future warfare preparations, but it's also something that can be done for intelligence gathering purposes. so this could be that it doesn't mean that it is. but the maneuvers certainly indicate that a it's a drone, b that they're probably on some kind of a reconnaissance mission, and maybe they're practicing a dry run for something, but it could be our side that's doing something, you know, like the congresswoman from new york mentioned, or it's something

that an actor that is not a us actor is doing, and that's something that we really need to know. >> andrew, it strikes me that with all the uncertainty, there's a gap in what we ought to be able to determine and what we ought to regulate and what we actually do regulate and fail to determine. there's a lot of gray area here, right? it's legal to have drones, but it might be very shocking to know that you can't necessarily account for all of this. and homeland security is saying that they're limited. law enforcement is limited in what they can do. there's a weakness here. >> there's definitely gaps. excuse me, laura, in this system. and i think before we in the middle of a of an episode like this where people are clearly nervous and they want more information, we need to think about those calls for, well, we we should know who's flying every drone and who's controlling them and for what purpose. and we should have the ability to take those drones out of the sky if we're not comfortable. what's going on here? all of that requires

complicated legal authority and operational authority that the fbi and dhs don't currently have. >> should they have it? >> well, that's a good question. before we start arming them, so to speak, with all of this very aggressive counter drone authority and technology, we have to ask ourselves, is that something we want? do we want the fbi to now be in charge of drones in the sky and have the ability to take those things down? right now, the legal structure around these sorts of flights is very limited. you're not allowed to fly them in restricted airspace, which is declared and on maps provided by the faa. but other than that, you can as long as you comply with the rules for hobbyist and recreational drone pilots, you can pretty much fly them where they want. you've seen reports about mayors complaining that they're flying over critical infrastructure like reservoirs and bridges. those are not the sorts of things that we protect with restricted airspace. >> how military installations or military installations we

do. >> the white house, large crowds like outdoor events, sporting events, you know, the inauguration, the national mall, things like that. during special events. we absolutely prohibit flight from drones or manned aircraft in those times. but again, we need to be a little bit more thoughtful about how restrictive we want the skies to be. and i'm the i'm the law enforcement and intelligence guy at the table. you know, i'm happy with all that. you want to give us more authority, go for it. >> but be careful what you wish for. >> yeah, exactly. >> well, the other thing is, you know, as we were talking about military areas, the military does have counter drone capabilities of the type that joel mentioned earlier and those can be used. but if you talk about shooting them down, you also lose potential intelligence value because if you don't take them down intact, then you may lose how they communicate. you may not be able to understand how they communicate. you may not be able to understand what type of cryptographic algorithms they

use. all of those kinds of things are important for future counter drone capabilities. >> can you do those things without having it in your possession? can it be up in the sky and you're monitoring the effect? >> what you would use is you would use electronic warfare capabilities to go after the drone, take it down. in other words, spoof the signal, bring it down, capture it, reverse engineer it, and then you can better understand exactly what that drone is capable of doing and who it's connected to. >> this is the stories of hollywood. and yet it's in jersey everyone. colonel andrew mccabe, thank you both so much. still ahead, the dramatic new twist in the case against the suspected killer. a powerful new attorney just hired to represent luigi mangione. you might just recognize her. as we get word that he might be about to give up his extradition fight. plus, the new questions about mangione family. after reports emerged that police knew his identity days before the arrest.

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when the nypd reviewed it, but we do know more about what will happen next for mangione. the manhattan da alvin bragg suggesting he could be in new york a lot sooner than expected. >> indications are that the defendant may waive, but that waiver is not complete until a court proceeding, which my understanding from court officials in pennsylvania cannot happen until tuesday. so until that time, we're going to continue to press forward on on parallel paths and we'll be ready whether he is going to waive extradition or whether he's going to contest extradition. >> and justin, tonight, the new york times reports that mangione escape was not what police originally thought. the times reports he actually took a subway train to penn station before leaving the state. let's break this all down with my panel of experts joining me now, pete lapp, a retired fbi special agent. joey jackson, a cnn legal analyst and defense

attorney. and scott bond, a criminologist and producer and star of serial killers with doctor scott vaughan, for which he's touring the country right now. joey, let me begin with you here. look, couple this news from bragg with this mangione has hired a high profile new york attorney to rep him in that state. former cnn contributor karen friedman. agnifilo your takeaway. and what does it mean for his extradition to new york yeah. >> good evening. laura. i think it's a great development. certainly, she's skilled in the process. she was a former manhattan assistant district attorney, chief of a division. my former office. and certainly she comes to it with certain qualities. i think that will bode well for him. ultimately, though, the evidence and facts are what the evidence and facts are. and they seem to be very compelling now. she and any attorney. right. will await discovery in new york. we have what's called open file

discovery. that is, as soon as he gets back and is arraigned. prosecutors have 15 days to get all the discovery. they can get another 30 if it's voluminous, which i think they will do on the issue of extradition, though, i think as it stands now, the district attorney is presenting the case to a grand jury. we know. right. laura, that a grand jury doesn't decide guilt or innocence. they simply decide whether there's reasonable cause to believe that a crime was committed and that this defendant committed it. and a simple majority have to do that. and so that process will play out. whether he waives extradition is an open question. he has a right to challenge it. and you heard their d.a. bragg say he may waive, but you have to wait till tuesday. and that's because any waiver of a right to be released to new york has to make sure that the defendant voluntarily and knowingly knows he has a right to do that. and so, you know, it's a challenging case by any stretch of the imagination, no matter who defended or represented him. but i think the introduction of miss agnifilo is certainly a solid development for him. >> well, you know, i want you

to listen to this, scott. some of the analysis that karen gave about this case earlier this week alone, listen and so it will be interesting. >> you know, it'll be interesting to see where the opportunities are for him to defend himself. and it's looking more and more like i think he's going he could potentially mount a psychiatric defense. you know i think you know what what marianne was just saying is, is exactly right. because the because, you know, was he playing to the cameras versus is he having some sort of psychiatric event happening right as we speak. and are we watching it in real time on tv that those are some of the things that that that will be come into play? i think in this case, scott, a psychiatric defense, do you see that possibly this is an individual who we know is is very intelligent, very highly educated, and by all reports functioned extremely well,

extremely highly until recently. >> and over the last couple of years, he increasingly withdrew first from his job and later from friends, and finally from family and that certainly indicates. a diminishing of his, uh, you know, his cognitive state and his mental state. but does that mean that he truly spiraled into clinical or legal insanity? i think that's really a stretch. um, did he was he a troubled young man? is he a troubled young man? i definitely believe that's the case. i also highly suspect that he's narcissistic and delusions of grandeur. i think in his own mind, he's he's something of almost like a batman character, a vigilante, a do gooder, like. like he seemed to admire ted kaczynski, the unabomber. so diminished capacity, possibly. but true clinical or legal

mental illness. i think that's a real stretch. >> a really good point. just saying that somebody has a psychiatric need is not the legal standard. can he appreciate what the crime that took place? is he competent to stand trial? these are things we have to also unpack. but, pete, let me get to you here, because the identity tip from the san francisco police. how does that tip go from the fbi to the nypd? because no one was revealing a name, of course, until after the arrest. and the chief detective said mangione wasn't even on their radar until that arrest. what's going on here? >> well, from my understanding, the tip comes from the family in the sense that they reported him missing. and then it's the san francisco police department that looks at the photo. i assume that the family gave their of their missing son and looked at the photo that the nypd released, and the detective said, hey, this looks like a match. and then they get that information from the san francisco fbi to the san

francisco to new york fbi and back to nypd. it takes a while to do that, and you have to remember there's a lot of information coming in in these investigations. his name, his identity is important. but frankly, even if nypd had the identification, his actual name, what's really almost more important at that point in the investigation is where is he and how do we locate him? because nypd, if they had that information, they'd have to make a very calculated decision as to whether to release that name to the public or hold on to it for investigative needs and trying to, you know, maximize the secrecy of it, if you will. before it became public, either intentionally or from a leak. >> does it strike you as odd, joey, that the nypd is telling the new york times that they have not spoken with the mangione family so, you know, there certainly would be, pursuant to an investigation, some outreach to the family. >> and so i don't know what

those efforts were. certainly they didn't bear any fruit to the extent that they did not speak to them, but that would be a source of plentiful information. we do know, though, that there was a disconnect of some time period. his mother filing a missing persons report for him, there being indications he hasn't spoken to his family since july, there being other indications, laura, about people, his friends looking for him. he had commitments to a wedding. et cetera. so whether or not the family was aware of his whereabouts, what he was doing, it seems unlikely. however, they would have tremendous background information and knowledge with respect to him, so it would be rich and resource to go and to confront and to speak to them if they can. and of course, the family doesn't have to be cooperative, but that doesn't mean you don't make those efforts necessary to do so. >> gentlemen, something tells me we are just scratching the surface of where the investigation will ultimately end up in this case and all that. the grand jury will have to see. thank you so much for joining me tonight. still ahead, the infamous duke

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grab it for yourself, just go to go. friday plans.com. it's go friday plans.com. um rafael romo at the georgia state capitol in atlanta. this is cnn. >> the woman who accused three duke lacrosse players of rape back in 2006, is now admitting that she lied. it was a story that captivated the nation. crystal mangum, an exotic dancer, was hired to perform at a house party. the three players

attended. afterwards, she claimed that david evans, collin finnerty and reade seligmann raped her, and the players were arrested and charged with sexual assault. but here's the thing there was no dna evidence. the three men maintained their innocence from the beginning as well. listen i'm absolutely innocent of all the charges that have been brought against me today, that reade seligmann and collin finnerty are innocent of all the charges that were brought against them. >> these allegations are lies. >> apparently, he was telling the truth. the da who brought the charges resigned after it was revealed that he withheld evidence, and he was ultimately disbarred. it wasn't until 2007 that north carolina's then attorney general, now the governor, roy cooper, dismissed those charges, saying there was no credible evidence that an attack even occurred. now, nearly 20 years after her initial accusations, crystal mangum is coming clean and

asking for forgiveness. >> i testified falsely against them by saying that they raped me when they didn't, and that was wrong. i hope that they can forgive me and i want them to know that i love them and they didn't deserve that. >> i should note mangum is currently in prison for a 2013 murder conviction for stabbing her then boyfriend. i want to bring in william cohen. he wrote the book on the duke lacrosse scandal. it is called the price of silence. he's also a founding partner of puck, and he joins me now. william, this story. the statements she's made now truly mind boggling. it's taken nearly 20 years for crystal mangum to admit that she made the entire thing up. what did you think when you heard she said that? >> i was pretty shocked.

>> laura. you know, i met with her in jail in durham, north carolina, in november 2012, so that was more than 12 years ago. um, you know, by then the incidents involved here were had been resolved, as you said, uh, state attorney general roy cooper had dismissed the case and declared the boys innocent. um, and so i was in the process of writing this book, which is 600 pages long, about what happened. um, so by then she had already said that the boys hadn't raped her, but she still pursued the sexual assault and kidnaping charges, which is what roy cooper was investigating. so when i and of course, as i said, that had been resolved and decided in the boys favor that they were innocent, not just not guilty, but that they were innocent. so when i saw her in november

2012, of course, i wanted to talk to her about it. she was in jail. she hadn't yet been convicted of murdering her boyfriend, which moved her into prison in raleigh. but we were separated by plexiglass and she lied to me, too. >> and of course, the impact repercussions of those lies on the people that she falsely accused has been a cloud of sorts over their head. i'm sure, for the past 18 plus years. here is some of what magnum had to say on that podcast. listen i hope that they can heal and trust god and know that god loves them and that god is loving them through me. >> letting them know that they're valuable and that they didn't deserve that i mean,

what has happened to the three men who she falsely accused since then? >> uh, well, i haven't followed them all for the last bunch of years. but, um, first of all, um, they reached a settlement with duke that i revealed in the book. they got $20 million each, which is a, you know, a lot of money back then and would still be today. and obviously it doesn't relieve them of their pain and suffering. >> you write in your book about the stain that this false accusation left in its wake, not simply with respect to the three, although you've noted that they certainly went on to lead some level of productive, productive lives. but talk to me about the wake it created. even outside of those three individuals, it had a ripple effect you know, laura, this, you know, as you said, you remember this. >> this was. a huge media event. the it was a roller

coaster ride, which is why i wanted to write this book. i'm a duke. graduate, uh, you know, for the first six months of this case, uh, the boys were declared, you know, guilty. uh, then the narrative began to turn, uh, you know, and at the end of 2006, uh, mike nifong uh, asked crystal if she wanted to continue with the case after she could no longer remember whether she had actually been raped. and so the rape charge was dropped. did she want to continue with the sexual assault and kidnaping charges because nifong himself was leaving the case? because he had to defend himself against the state bar charges against him? she said she wanted to continue. so i don't know why she made that decision. that obviously was a very horrible decision in retrospect. and then it was turned over to roy cooper. you know, this is one of the most amazing legal cases ever. this is, i think, one of the only times i can, uh, i

know of where a grand jury indicted, uh, these three boys, they were indicted. and yet there was never any trial. >> it truly is a fascination. it had at the time, the intersection of race and class and privilege and gender and and sexual assault. and it captivated the nation. and now today, to learn that she says that she made it all up is stunning. william cohen, thank you so much. >> thank you, laura. >> well, if you thought donald trump's time cover was controversial, wait till you see the blowback tonight over caitlin clark athlete of the year honor a wnba team owner now suggesting it shouldn't have been just her and i just don't like this singling out of one person because it hurts us all. >> and it's not fair. >> sports journalist christine brennan live in studio to unpack all of it. next.

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one player, it creates hard feelings. and so now you're starting to hear stories of racism within the wnba. and i don't want to hear that. we have got to operate and become stronger as a league. and respect everybody that's playing. and their talents. >> now, johnson did say that something clicked with the nba, the wnba this year, but says it's not just clark, it's all this year's draft. players like angel, reese, cameron brink, kamilla cardoso. she's right that the league clicked. attendance increased by 48% this year. lots of people call that the caitlin clark effect. i guess you have to decide for yourselves. here to discuss the cnn sports analyst, christine brennan. she's literally writing the book on caitlin clark. it's called on her game, and it's out next summer. christine, good to see you. should other players have been included in this honor? should she have had the cover solo again? it's not like it

was voted on by all the fans or analysts. it's time's decision. >> you know, laura, i am a big fan of sheila johnson. i know sheila very well. she is a great role model, leader, owner, a terrific, successful, wonderful person. i have no idea why she said what she said. it is the of course, the player, the athlete of the year and it's not the league of the year or the team of the year. caitlin clark deserves that. there is no doubt that caitlin clark, the impact that she had on the league was extraordinary. the tv ratings, the attendance, the sellouts, even sheila johnson's own team, the washington mystics, moved there to indiana fever games from the 4200 seat arena to the 20 000 seat arena, and in september had the biggest crowd in wnba history because of caitlin clark and sheila johnson knows that i. i understand as i've covered this story and continue to write it and work on it in the book, i understand the issues,

but and i understand the issue she's getting at. but why she chose that where caitlin has these great answers in the time magazine piece, she talks about her admiration for and respect for the role models of black women. the 70% black league she grew up idolizing maya moore with the minnesota lynx as a girl. she went up there and watched her play and got a chance to hug her when she was a little kid. talks about maya moore all the time. caitlin has been nothing but great on this issue of the black women who have made the wnba what it is she actually talks about in part, and people don't agree with that. >> what you've said that they think she's been gracious throughout. some people really criticize her as perhaps disingenuous about that, or that she was out of touch initially and did not have the right statements to make. but then there was the comment she made that i want to say i've earned every single thing. but as a white person, there is privilege. she goes on to talk about this very notion megyn kelly called those comments condescending and fake. and then you had this moment from sheryl swoopes.

>> share your thoughts on caitlin clark saying she wants to use her platform to elevate the black women in the wnba who have been instrumental in building that league to what it is okay. >> i mean, i guess that says it all, but what kind of position is clark in? is it a if she does, if she doesn't? or is there more of that as the as the platform that she has is it dictates she must do more. >> well, i think she's done a lot. and you made the point. yes. the people wanted to hear more early on, but she said it. i mean, it was in mid-june where she talked, said, don't use me for the hate. and some of the things that were out there on the internet. and by the way, as we know, the cesspool that is twitter x, i'm certainly not saying it's okay, but it hits everybody. it hits you, me caitlin. of course, black players in particular were targeted on twitter. yeah, that is a fact.

caitlin acknowledged that and said, cut it out. she said that in june. so, you know, it wasn't just recently that she said it. >> let's go to september, though, i have to ask you, because back in september, caitlin clark was caught in the eye by regina carrington. i remember, and you asked her about the foul after the game. you got criticism about your line of questioning. i remember that quite well. and in the time interview they addressed it, clark told the magazine, never once did that cross my mind that it was on purpose. i've been poked in the eye many times playing basketball. it happens. the whole line of questioning that carrington got was not appropriate, and i did not like that. what's your reaction to that? >> yeah, well, she has every right to say that. i've interviewed caitlin clark, talked to her, asked some tough questions. she never shies away from hard questions or questions that could be perceived to be hard or somewhat controversial. so my experience with caitlin is that she is very accepting of of hard questions. my questions to dijonai carrington were actually meant as a conduit for her to clear the air, as athletes know this, as a journalist, you ask, this was out there. it was a huge issue

about what happened, why it happened. and i asked a specific question and a follow up to give her that opportunity. as i have done hundreds of times, probably thousands of times with athletes. and if i would ask a male athlete those two questions, laura, why on earth would i ask a female athlete? this is a big time sport. this is the national news. it is. i take it very seriously. respect these athletes, respect dijonai carrington enough to ask those questions so that she can get the chance to answer it, clear the air, deal with the issue as she wants. and that's what we do as journalists. and for example, with caitlin, she was then asked not long after, what did she think? was it intentional or not? and she said, no, it was not intentional. well, the only way we know that is because someone asked. that was not me. i think journalists provide that opportunity for these athletes i did for carrington. i've done obviously for caitlin, and i would do it again. you know, any time. always. >> well, the rookie season is now over. here comes may. christine brennan, thank you so much. >> thank you very much, laura. >> still ahead, the new trump

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with a hammer oh welcome. >> i remember that episode well, minus the whole sledgehammer thing, of course, but trump says he wants congress to end the holes. punching the clock routine. quote, the republican party will use its best efforts to eliminate daylight savings time, which has a small but strong constituency. but shouldn't daylight savings time is inconvenient and very costly to our nation, and not to mention confusing. >> where have you been? >> why did i miss the french toast? dippy things. >> you're two hours late. >> well that's impossible. i set my watch back for daylight savings. time saving. >> not saving. >> you set your watch the wrong way. >> neither a plural nor a possessive. no. it's spring, i spring backwards. no, you spring forward. have you ever watched girls gymnastics? that

makes no sense. you could spring ahead, fall back. >> i get it. i'm with you. look, a majority of americans are on jonah's side, and kind of agree that we should stick to one time all year. oh, wait. no. but not everyone. especially not the cheers crowd 2:00 now. >> so which way is it going? that's spring forward. fall back, mr. peterson. all right, so it's 1:00. 1:00. >> sit him up, sammy i mean, can i sleep a little bit longer? >> no, seriously, though, the last time america tried to end this was 1974. it lasted all but ten months until congress reversed. it. turns out people >> thanks for watching everyone. have a great weekend!