>> zodiac is stopped by a police car, and they see him. stocky man round face. >> the officers ask him if he has seen anyone suspicious, but zodiac says, oh yeah, i saw a man running with a gun. >> he went that way and they thank him and off they go. >> zodiac was right there. he would have caught him. he was within arm's reach who is this man so ordinary that his presence near a crime scene doesn't alarm police, and yet so terrifying that the entire country is now on alert. >> with this chance to catch the killer having slipped through their hands. investigators hope he'll make another mistake, but zodiac is about to make a move that changes everything. the hunt for the zodiac killer has only just begun. next on very scary people.

>> this is the zodiac speaking. i am the murderer of the taxi driver over by washington and maple street last night. to prove this, here is a blood stained piece of his shirt. i was not happy to see that. i did not get front page coverage welcome to very scary people. >> i'm donnie wahlberg, the zodiac killer is terrorizing northern california, and all of america is holding their breath, waiting for a break in the case. but while police

desperately try to identify a suspect, the killer has a new plan, one that will spread panic and make him infamous to him. murder has become a game, but this game is not over. not even close. we continue with i am the zodiac he stalked and killed with knives and guns. >> once he even dressed as an executioner. the man called himself the zodiac. >> the first canonical murders of the zodiac happened december 20th, 1968. it was on lake herman road in solano county, california. a young couple went on a date. the killer forced the victims out of the vehicle. david faraday was shot in the head once, and betty lou jensen

was shot in the back five times as she was trying to run away the boy was an eagle scout. >> there's no record of any misbehavior on either one of them. >> if you were at that scene and saw the waste of life and these young kids turn your stomach six and a half months later, the killer returned and targeted another young couple. >> darlene ferrin and michael michaud. drove to blue rock springs park. they parked in the parking lot again, a lover's lane area, and had only been there a few minutes in. a car pulled up behind them. he opened fire through the window of the passenger side and at the hospital, darlene is pronounced dead, but michael miraculously survives. >> we think it is. it appears to us that he is killing just for the thrill. >> just days after the initial communications from the killer,

a letter arrived. >> dear editor, this is the zodiac speaking. >> normally, a serial killer gets a name from the police or from the newspapers, but in his case, he came up with his own name. >> it included a cipher that when solved, read. i like killing people. >> september 27th, 1969. the zodiac showed up at lake berryessa, where brian hartnell and cecelia shepard were lying by the water's edge. the man plunged a long knife into bryan's back and stabbed him approximately six times. and cecilia. she was stabbed five times in the front, five times in the back. the killer left both of the victims alive. >> i felt my my life, my energy. just. this darkness is just coming in, and i'm just kind of, like, waiting to die paul stein was a cab driver who

was working the evening of october 11th, 1969. >> the man who was sitting in the cab pulled out a gun and shot paul stein in the head. three kids who were observing what had happened called the police, and they described the killer. somehow during that conversation, the facts got confused. and when the police broadcast a description of the killer, they described him as a black man instead of a white man. two police officers were responding to the scene, and they apparently saw this white man walking down the street. they dismissed him as a suspect because he was not black. >> the dispatcher had misunderstood the children, and when zodiac is stopped by the police car, zodiac says, oh yeah, i saw a man running with a gun. he went that way and they think, and off they go zodiac was right there. >> they would have caught him.

he was within arm's reach. >> shortly after that, the description was amended to describe a white man. and that's when these officers realized that they had most likely just seen the zodiac. >> they would have had the guy one of the first officers to arrive on the scene is inspector dave toschi, and he's somewhat of a legend in the san francisco pd. he's so charismatic and he's known as the city's super cop. he's got a trench coat, trench coat? dave, when inspector toschi and his officers arrive at the scene, it's still very fresh. >> the cab meter is still running, and paul stein, the cab driver, is laid out almost on the bench seat. he's been shot once in the back of the head. he's already dead. there are nine millimeter bullet casings all around. and because of the amount of blood at the scene, they do find a bloody palm print right on the side of the cab. >> he took paul stein's wallet. >> that's going to look to first responders like a robbery

gone bad. he also took part of paul's shirt. he neatly tore it with his fingers. >> the only sketch we have that depicts the actual zodiac killer comes from the stein murder. and that sketch was created with the help of the three kids who had seen the killer. and from what we know, was also contributed to by the two police officers who had seen the zodiac escaping that night. >> it shows a man with a thinner face, shorter hair and glasses, and because that is based on eyewitnesses who saw the man at the taxi and immediately thereafter it becomes the most famous sketch of the zodiac killer. >> the description probably fit thousands of men in the bay area, and millions of men across america. in the late 1960s. if you open any high school yearbook or anything, you'll see a lot of people who look just like that, because that was the look at the time, perhaps that kind of generic anonymity is how the zodiac killer can walk amongst us.

>> and we never know that he's a murderer. we wouldn't notice this guy in the crowd. >> it may be that he needed to feel important. he may have had a lot of anger within him that he tried to assuage through killing other people. two days after the murder of paul stein, the san francisco chronicle received a letter from the zodiac. >> carol fisher, who was letters to the editor. editor, is opening a letter. she shakes it out comes a piece of bloody cloth. she lets out a shriek. >> this is the zodiac speaking. i am the murderer of the taxi driver over by washington and maple street last night. to prove this, here is a blood stained piece of his shirt. >> the individual who sent this piece of shirt in and the letter to the chronicle was in fact connected with the. is the person who killed the cab driver. and i think zodiac took the time and effort. >> went to great risk to make sure that that bloody shirt

would be able to connect him to paul stein's murder. >> it seemed to be an addiction or something. the more he did it, the more he needed to do it. and he kept topping himself each time and what he would promise to do next was particularly chilling schoolchildren. >> make fine targets. i think i shall wipe out a school bus some morning. >> you only come across an artist like luther vandross. once in a lifetime. >> he was a boss from the beginning. luther said, i have a sound in my head. i got to get it out. you are my shining star. >> my. >> it was the most exciting time in the world. >> his life had extremely joyful moments and some really difficult moments. >> if we were to be able to talk to luther as fans, we would be able to say we just love you. >> luther. never too much new year's day at eight on cnn let it rain, randy.

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had taken credit for four different attacks in which five people had been killed and another two injured. but now he was threatening to up the body count considerably. >> the suspect in this matter indicates that he is going to make a bomb. the bomb planted in the street or alongside of a roadside, which would be triggered when a school bus passed by. >> this man is a psychopath with very, very seriously mentally deranged. he appears to have no conscience at all. no remorse. this man is a a serious problem to us. >> initially, the newspapers did not print the zodiac's threat because they were afraid of what might happen. >> we feel at this time because there is an implied threat on the part of this suspect, that this is something that we must do. >> since the. reception of this note and up to now and

continuing, we have a number of plainclothes officers following busses in the morning and in the evening. >> the public was kind of panicked about it. we had our plainclothes officers riding our school busses for months. >> the police trailed the busses. they had planes flying above, zodiac said later he had planted explosives along the roadside that he could detonate. >> i grew up in berkeley, california, and took public busses to and from school. we would all have to duck below the level of the windows because the bus had to stop at the train tracks. the school district thought the busses were most vulnerable when they were stopped at a railroad crossing along with that letter that included the threat against the schoolchildren, there's another cipher. >> the second cipher sent by zodiac is known as the 340, because it has 340 symbols in it. >> we haven't been too successful. we've had them out with experts. we don't think

that actually, there was a message in there. you can't have these ciphers and they really aren't able to be broken. >> over the years, many attempts have been made to solve this cipher. to this day, we don't know what, if any, message is in that cipher. >> i think he liked the idea that there were people everywhere that were trying to decipher his codes, because he's a game player. >> in the end, no bombings happen in the bay area, but instead something completely unexpected happens. >> on october 22nd, 1969. someone called the oakland police department and claimed to be the zodiac. he asked that the famous attorney, melvin belli, appear on a local talk show to talk about the zodiac. so belli was transported to the local television station. >> i have a headache right? >> if you have those headaches, sam you know, long time since i

killed a kid. >> he agreed to be referred to as sam melvin belli. >> he's like, if this is zodiac, this is my big chance to try to get information out of him, to draw him out. but this caller, sam, doesn't really want to answer his questions and basically just says he can't remember. >> it was a chilling call. >> police are looking to turn to somebody who could identify unequivocally the zodiac killer's voice. and that person, of course, would be the surviving victim, brian hartnell. >> and brian hartnell agreed that he was not the zodiac. >> why did you want to talk to mr. belli, sam? >> i don't want to be hurt. >> his voice sounded too young and too pathetic to be the zodiac. >> as it turned out, it was not the real zodiac. it was a person from an institution that was calling. >> but it did go out there live. and the question is, could the real zodiac killer have seen the show? >> december 20th, 1969. belli gets this letter.

>> the real zodiac sent a letter to melvin belli on the one year anniversary of the murders on lake herman road, in order to prove that he was the real zodiac. it included a piece of paul stine's shirt with this letter, we have examined a piece of material that was included in a letter to mr. belli, which is a piece of the victim's shirt. >> we had confirmed that this was, in fact from the suspect known as zodiac. >> and it seems obvious that the zodiac is compelled by power or control. in the belli letter, he uses the word control three times, and the fact that he attacks. suddenly and departs quickly shows that there is an important aspect of control and power in the attacks that he is doing. >> all of northern california is now waiting for zodiac's next move, just the possibility that zodiac might have resurfaced sent shivers throughout vallejo

people were still very afraid. >> so here we have this person who was able to hold thousands of people like a puppeteer in these states of fear and anxiety about what he could do next and the potential that he had to blow up kids in a school bus. and what he would do if he didn't get the credit that he deserved. that's power and control. and i think he loved that, considering he hasn't been caught yet. >> i definitely feel he's still around. >> remember, we've never seen anything like this. it made national news. if it wasn't important before, it was a big story. >> now the search goes on in san francisco for the man known as the zodiac killer. >> but the question on everybody's minds is who is the zodiac killer? >> this holiday season? find the perfect gift at cnn, underscored from the latest fashion to expert approved tech

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>> or maybe he's obsessed with astrological signs. and there's some great mystical or occult quality to this that we really just haven't deciphered. >> i think it was a smokescreen. just some more of that to to make him more frightening. >> there are some theories that the zodiac was either a master criminal or some sort of drooling maniac. and i think the truth probably lies somewhere in between. >> for the first time, he has demonstrated a hostility toward police. now we are blue pigs, and such remarks as that his agenda was such that he had to taunt the police, and he had to do things to make himself newsworthy and to command the front page zodiac was sending letters that were quite vague. >> he talked in his letters about a 13th victim, but nobody knows whether he's trying to take credit for murdering 13 people or whether he is promising more murders to come.

>> paul avery was a reporter who worked at the san francisco chronicle at the time of the zodiac case, and he was also responsible for many of the stories in the chronicle about the crimes. in october of 1970, the zodiac sent paul avery a halloween card, which appeared to allude to a 14th victim, and some people believe that the 14th victim would be paul avery. >> i think it's an idle threat, but but at the same time, i'm no fool. >> i'm going to be very careful. there was a conference with the police department and a discussion of possible police protection for me. >> zodiac saying he's going to come to the chronicle. he's going to kill paul avery. in fact, avery made them little buttons that said, i am not paul avery, and everybody wore the buttons. >> i think he just wanted to get himself a little publicity. >> zodiac got a lot of front page coverage because of these letters, and seemed to terrorize the nation. >> there almost seems to be a shift in him realizing, oh, wait a minute, this is what

i'd really like to do. holding the city of san francisco and the bay area almost hostage. >> the zodiac may have been frightened by his close encounter with police on the night of the murder of cab driver paul stein. he did claim in one of his letters was that he was going to change the way he killed, and that he would not announce his victims and would make many of them look like accidents. that was actually a rather clever ploy on the part of the killer. if he wanted to stop killing but leave the police wondering whether he was continuing to kill or not. >> none of the police in any of the jurisdictions that were investigating the zodiac were anywhere close. they needed to think outside the box, but there had never been a box like this. >> as police try to figure out the identity of the zodiac killer, they widened the net and they start looking at cold cases, unsolved crimes that may be similar, and they find one in particular linda edwards and

bobby domingos were a couple in high school. >> it was 1963, june. they went to a remote beach. there was a stretch of ocean that was really kind of isolated and very difficult to get to, just like at lake berryessa. they were bound. a knife was involved. their double murder is still unsolved. >> the fact that it occurred by the side of water and by the ammunition used against the couple, suggests that there were similarities between that attack and the attack at lake berryessa. >> it's a crime that eventually got connected with the zodiac. in theory, that he could have been responsible whether or not that was the zodiac has never been confirmed. >> the zodiac never claimed credit for that attack. >> there are some enticing cases to this day that might very well have been the work of the zodiac paul avery, our crime reporter, did something really important. >> he found a connection to a

southern california murder. >> on the night of october 30th, 1966, cheri jo bates went to the riverside community college library to check out some books. her body was found in a vacant lot nearby the next morning, and she had been stabbed. the murder was accompanied by letters, multiple copies of letters sent in different directions. one sent to the press, one sent to the police. it's very rare for a serial killer to correspond. it's exceedingly rare for a serial killer to make multiple copies of a letter and send it in different directions. >> three letters written and posted on the same day to three different recipients. that's exactly what zodiac did on july 31st, 1969. so about three and a half years later, multiple stamps, more stamps than you need to put on. most people don't do that, but zodiac did, and so did the person in riverside in march of 1971, the

zodiac sent a letter to the los angeles times in which he took credit for the murder of cheri jo bates. >> it's not unusual for other serial killers to take credit for cases so that they look bigger, badder, meaner. >> the worst serial killer in that letter, he said. i do have to give them credit for stumbling across my riverside activity, which was an apparent reference to the bates murder. and then he said, but there are a hell of a lot more of them down there, which was an indication of more victims in southern california that had not been identified in the cheri jo bates case in 1966. >> a lot of attention had been paid to a man named ross sullivan sullivan is a stocky man with glasses, and he worked at the library where bates was last seen alive. >> he had apparently had some mental health issues. he was largely antisocial, and so some people considered him to be the logical suspect. at least three

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>> kathleen johns was traveling from san bernardino, california to petaluma, california. she was approximately eight months pregnant and had her ten month old daughter with her in the car. >> she experiences some car trouble and somebody, seemingly a good samaritan, pulls up behind her and offers her a ride. she gets into his car with her infant daughter. once she's in the car, he starts to terrify her he makes statements that really frighten her and make her believe that she's going to be killed. >> kathleen johns grabbed her daughter, opened the door, and dove out of the car. when the car came to a stop at a stop sign and escaped the car that way. >> she goes to the police and she looks at the post. she said, that's him. that's the man who picked me up. so

that's how they made the zodiac connection. >> the zodiac. about five months later, claimed credit for the attack. >> zodiac. in his letter, i gave a rather interesting ride to a woman and her baby. >> kathleen johns later identifies an a composite set up a man named lawrence caine as the man who possibly abducted her and terrified her. caine does have a history of being a peeping tom in the early 60s. >> a former police officer believed that larry caine was connected to the disappearance of a nurse in lake tahoe. donna lass was a nurse who disappeared in stateline, nevada, in 1970. it has been linked to the zodiac because a couple of letters were received that seemed to indicate a connection to her and a connection to the zodiac. >> by 1970, police have confirmed five murders and two attempted murders. in addition,

there are another three murders, a missing persons case, and a kidnaping case that the police speculate could be the work of the zodiac by 1971, he was sending postcards which alluded to other victims and then sending letters to the los angeles times taking credit for other crimes, too, but provided no details that the police did not know. the cases we know are for sure the zodiac killer. he was very detailed, he told the media and the police things that only the killer could have known. and in the bates case, and in the johns case, that doesn't happen. so based on on facts known to the public, he could claim credit and stay on the front page of the newspaper. >> so it appeared that at that point it became a publicity campaign rather than a reign of terror. >> the zodiac killer sends a total of 19 communications or contacts with the media over the next five years. >> we're learning more about

the man psychologically. >> what exactly are you learning? >> psychologically, the content of these letters tell you quite a lot. well, i wouldn't want to disclose to our suspect what we think of him and where we're looking. >> on july 8th, 1974, the zodiac killer sends his last letter to the media, and he is never heard from again some people have theorized that the zodiac killer reemerges later as a totally different kind of serial killer. >> justice department investigators believe they have enough evidence against theodore kaczynski. >> so much so, they've begun to think about where to hold a trial. >> one of the popular suspects was the unabomber, ted kaczynski. the unabomber liked the zodiac. also sent letters to the media. >> the bomber had said he would kill again unless the post or the new york times printed his paper. all 35,000 words by this sunday. >> the bulk of the zodiac's

activity happened during the two years following ted kaczynski, his time as a professor at uc berkeley. kaczynski's final day of work at uc berkeley was june the 30th, 1969. four days later, 4th of july, 1969, the attack occurred at blue rock springs park the zodiac was involved in designing bombs and designing passive bombs exactly as the unabomber would do. many years later. the zodiac used the phrase repeatedly collecting slaves for the afterlife with slaves is a repeated term used in the the unabomber manifesto. >> it's an interesting theory, but he's also tall and lanky, and i went to his trial and i did not like him. i think kaczynski was just getting even

with the world. i don't think he could possibly be zodiac. >> there's no credible evidence that ted kaczynski was the zodiac, and no one in law enforcement appears to think that he's a viable suspect our fascination with the zodiac killer has spawned so many theories about who the killer actually is, and some of them are outlandish, and some of them are just intriguing. >> but every once in a while, there's a theory that captures everyone's attention. in 1991, michael maggio that lover's lane passenger who actually survived being shot, was shown a picture and he said, that's the guy just point blank. >> are you a murderer? >> andy anderson, take a seat. look at this. you're wet,

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individual, don chaney, had known arthur lee allen, and according to chaney, in december of 1967 he mentioned his desire to write letters and use the name zodiac, and that he wanted to shoot people. >> he says allen always said he was going to kill these couples at random, that he knew how to attach a flashlight to a firearm, which the zodiac killer had done and allen owned firearms exactly like the zodiac killer used. he had been in the military. it was dishonorably discharged from the navy, and he actually worked very close to where one of the victims of the second shooting, darlene ferrin, lived he makes a statement in front of chaney. >> he says, i want to shoot the little kiddies as they come bouncing off the bus. he's wearing a zodiac wristwatch. for god's sake. lake berryessa

is where arthur lee allen would go and hunt for squirrels and scuba dive and sail and catch fish. it's a great fishing lake, but i have a photograph. it's him in 1958 and he's at that spot. you can see the beach down below. he's at lake berryessa. >> there's even an explanation for why zodiac quit killing. >> the theories were he died. he's sick, or he's in prison. turns out arthur lee allen was in prison. he was in atascadero for molesting children. >> and the case against allen kept getting stronger. in 1991. michael maggio, that lover's lane passenger who actually survived being shot, was shown a picture of arthur lee allen. and he said, that's the guy they obtained a search warrant and searched allen's trailer. >> it's difficult as hell, and

it can be extremely it could be terribly depressing. and if i deserved any of it, that would be something different. but i don't. >> san francisco police determined that allen's fingerprints did not match the suspected zodiac fingerprint found on the cab. experts had determined that his handwriting did not match the zodiac's handwriting. >> by the mid 1970s, the police were out of suspects. >> there's a reason that he was able to get away from law enforcement nets that were out there at the time, the 1960s and the early 1970s, law enforcement agencies weren't even on the same radio wavelengths. police reports were filed in san francisco and filed in vallejo and filed at lake berryessa. so there

wasn't the communication that you see now that really hurt us. >> the case went cold, and the zodiac killer sort of faded from the front page. then robert graysmith came out with a book in the 1980s on the zodiac killer that was later made into the very famous movie in 2007. >> it was just called zodiac, and it introduced the case to it. just a new generation of people. the main villain in the movie was arthur lee allen, and he was, you know, it was so compelling, the case that they made against him that people leaving thought that he had to be the killer. >> but the movie doesn't bring any new evidence. and again, the case fades from the headlines. in 2014, a man named gary stuart in louisiana wrote a book claiming that he knows who the zodiac killer is. and it's someone very close to home.

>> the wanted poster from 1969 from san francisco police department, flashes on the screen, and my heart stops. it's my father. >> earl van best, jr.'s son was very impressed with a photo he found of his father. >> i believe for the first time in the history of this case that i've presented more evidence that's ever been presented on any one suspect and had the belief of the head of homicide behind me at one time. >> gary stuart's father died in 1984. but he says forensic experts have matched his father's handwriting to cryptic notes. the killer left behind. >> he cites forensic evidence of handwriting exemplars. he says that the handwriting of his father matches that of the zodiac killer, and he presents as his evidence a marriage certificate. but there's a fatal flaw to this theory, because it turns out that the handwriting on the marriage certificate actually traces

back to the minister who married his parents and not his father at all the zodiac killer insisted to the press and to the police that if you crack this cipher, you will have my identity. >> they cracked the cipher and got the cryptic message, but they didn't know what name to look for because they didn't. >> they didn't know your father's name. right then. >> that's there. you can find anything in the cipher. you can find your name in the cipher. if you wanted to. but it's not scientific. it's not conclusive. >> the media said that if he has any information, please come forward. and i believe i've come forward. >> i got to tell you something. >> though he did not take this information to police, which in a way sort of undermines his credibility. >> but there is no credible evidence linking earl van best to the zodiac crimes, and no reason to believe he was the zodiac

years went by and then decades suspects, witnesses, investigators died. >> but the zodiac remains hidden. >> it's my personal belief that if and when the zodiac killer is ever identified, he will turn out to be someone who was never named as a suspect. >> it's one of those cases that looks like it might stay a mystery forever in april of 2018, california police make a stunning announcement that could help solve the zodiac case. >> over 40 years after the golden state serial killer began raping and murdering throughout california and arrests today, just outside sacramento, another cold case from northern california might be solved. >> the golden state killer was captured through the use of forensic genealogy and dna technology. they upload that dna profile into an ancestry

website called gedmatch, which contained approximately 960,000 genetic profiles of individuals. investigators found what we think are three distant cousins of the killer in that database, and then they were able to trace back to a common ancestor from those three people to a great great grandparent of the killer there was only one individual who stood out, and that was a man named joseph james deangelo. >> we all knew as part of team that we were looking for a needle in a haystack. we found the needle in the haystack, and it was right here in sacramento. >> if the police were able to find a complete profile of the zodiac's dna, the hope is that he can be captured in the same way that the golden state killer was captured. >> investigators just obtained enough dna for a partial profile.

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discovered. >> what they're trying to do with this case is what they did with the golden state killer. they're going to try and do some genealogical testing first. >> if they can collect the zodiac's dna, they could possibly connect it to a family member of the zodiac and find the zodiac in the same way. >> the previous attempts in the zodiac case to test the dna was done in 2002, and that would have been a pretty limited. >> investigators just obtained enough dna for a partial profile from the saliva on a stamp on one of the many letters the zodiac sent in the late 60s, taunting police and bragging about his crimes. >> they obtained partial a partial profile from the evidence, which to me says that it's a very degraded sample and probably not very useful for identification. >> it was only sufficient to exclude suspects, but not to positively identify anyone

today, dna technology can find the most microscopic minuscule traces of dna those envelopes. >> he may have licked, the stamps he may have licked. and they're thinking that if they can extract some of the dna, they may be able to match it to somebody's dna. today. >> there are renewed efforts to get new dna from other zodiac letters, and possibly from other items in the zodiac case. right now, it's my understanding that the vallejo police department is attempting to find zodiac dna. >> there are multiple ways to try and obtain samples, but the best way, especially if you think that the stamp, for instance, was licked, is to actually remove the stamp from the envelope it's on. and

it's a simple use steam to remove it and very gently take it off. and then scrape the glue from the back of the stamp and from the envelope, and you extract dna from it. the changes in the technology that would allow you to get better results at this time would be that the sensitivity of the test has increased substantially if they can find a sufficient dna profile, they can take the same process and put that into an ancestry website. >> hopefully, that ancestry website database would contain someone's dna. who was a part of that killer's family? >> the probability of getting a high quality sample from evidence that was collected in the late 60s and early 70s is extremely low. all these homicide samples ended up in a warehouse infested with cats and rats for a period of time.

um, the samples are going to degrade. >> it's not just looking for a needle in a haystack. it's not even being sure if there's a needle in the haystack. you're looking through. >> but as forensic scientists like to say, anything's possible. >> the case continues to intrigue people. and it's now like the last major north american unsolved serial killer case. >> there's no resolution. there's something about that. and the human nature where you want to know the answer. >> it's the greatest unsolved american mystery, in my opinion. he has garnered an awful lot of attention books, press. legends. stories. one aspect of the zodiac's game appears to be creating publicity for himself, which ensures that his status as some sort of legendary killer, and if that was his purpose, he certainly succeeded, because here we are, 50 years later,

people are still talking about him. he's still viewed as some sort of boogeyman from the past, and he most certainly escaped justice. >> every year on the anniversary of each confirmed killing, a small group of zodiac hunters revisits the crime scenes. former law enforcement officials, family members of the victims, and civilians who are drawn to the mystery use these occasions to debate the facts of the case. though dna experts continue their work to uncover his real identity, the zodiac is one of the last major serial killer cases to remain unsolved. the zodiac, a man who wanted to be famous, has remained both in the public eye and