could do in your mind if this law is in effect, to get tiktok back on apple or google? >> yeah, he could do two things. one, he could get bytedance to sell tiktok and he can encourage that right now. and then secondly, he could encourage a repeal of the law. but again, 360 members of this house voted for that particular law. and the reason is very simple. as the d.c. circuit court of appeals repeatedly said, this is a national security threat under the control of the chinese communist party. they have hacked repeatedly numerous data sets, collected the data of hundreds of millions of americans. and as the d.c. circuit court of appeals said, there's no reason not to believe that that would happen with tiktok as well. >> it's going to be an interesting couple of weeks here to see what the supreme court does, what then happens by the 19th, and what happens

immediately after. congressman raja krishnamoorthi, thanks so much for explaining it so well. a brand new hour of cnn news central starts right now. >> new details about the deadly school shooting that has shattered a community in wisconsin. the atf now investigating how the shooter, a 15 year old female student, got that gun. the police chief also saying they're looking into a possible manifesto they've been made aware of posted online. but so many questions still around all of this. also, the drone mystery continues. national security experts batting down conspiracy theories. residents of new jersey not buying the explanation coming from the federal government. the white house saying just now and again today they have found no threat to the public. also, those hours that seem to slip away from you and evaporate as you click through social media, scroll through all of your apps. there's a word for it

brain rot. sanjay gupta explains the science behind it. i'm kate baldwin with john berman and sara sidner. this is cnn news central. >> all right. breaking news. just a short time ago, we spoke to the police chief in madison, wisconsin, and we got an update into the investigation into the school shooting there where a 15 year old girl shot and killed a teacher and also a teenage student. six other people were injured. two of them are students. they are still in critical condition. so after our interview, the police chief's office called us to clarify that one of the teachers who was injured was a substitute teacher. also, he suggested that at this time they are not considering specific charges against the parents, but that could change. they're still investigating whether or not negligence may

have played a role here. also, at this point, the chief would not confirm how the 15 year old student got this handgun overnight. a source close to the investigation said the shooter planned the attack. this is what the chief just told us about that. >> we have been made aware of a manifesto. if you want to call that or some type of letter that's been posted by someone who alleged to be her friend, we haven't been able to locate that person yet, but that's something we're going to work on today. we'll also be looking through her effects. if she had a computer or cell phone to see if there are any transmissions between her and someone else, and that will give us an idea of what type of plan. >> all right. we want to get to cnn's whitney wild, who rushed to madison, wisconsin, to cover all the developments there. what are you learning this morning, whitney well, john, we still don't know why this happened, but we do know who this was. >> 15 year old natalie rupnow.

police say that she went by samantha, as you said, that there are still many more questions to answer. police have not yet. do you know? identified or detailed any kind of motive here as they continue to work through those details? john, this all started at 1057 yesterday morning. police say that it was confined to a study hall that had a mix of students from different grades. horrifyingly, a second grader was the one who called 911 john. just a second grader. police making that point very clearly and saying at one point, let me just let you sit with that for a moment, because it is just so tragic. police were inside that building by 11 a.m.. by 1105, they alerted that the shooter was down and began life saving measures on other students. john, here's what some of those kids inside the building heard. >> oh, we heard them. and then some people started crying. >> and then we just waited till the police came. >> and then they escorted us

out. i was scared, why did they do that? >> that's what i was getting ready for lunch. so it was basically lunch time. and then i just heard sobbing and there was a teacher and she was screaming like, oh my leg, help, help john, there is some good news to share. >> this morning. two people who had been injured were released, but still, sadly, others are fighting for their lives. john. >> they are still in critical condition. whitney. wild to hear that girl describe sounds. we can only hope that no other student hears. appreciate it. sarah. >> all right. the wisconsin shooting marks the 83rd school shooting this year. a record number of shootings. joining me now, daniel brunner retired fbi supervisory special agent. and juliette kayyem, cnn senior national security analyst. joining us this morning. thank you both. daniel, i'll start with you. where does the

investigation go from here? is it trying to figure out if anyone knew of a plan or assisted the shooter? or is it looking at, you know, what the motive behind this may be? since the shooter is dead well, i think an investigation like this, it's all hands on deck. >> they're going to be looking at every possible angle, every possible motive, the pathway to violence. >> they want to figure out where she went off the rails, where she deviated from what is considered the norm. >> if this manifesto truly is, you know, her words, then they weren't using that as the blueprint. they're going to talk to every single person that was close to her. >> clearly, they've already interviewed her family. >> they're going to look at everything in her electronic presence. they're going to try and understand where she was during this route. >> they want to look for red flags. >> they want to see if there were red flags that were missed, who missed them. they want to, you know, document all these things. they want to understand all of these things,

not only to conduct the investigation, but they want to understand from this incident also to prevent future incidents, to prevent future situations like this. so it's going to be an ongoing. and like i said, the fbi, atf, wisconsin police department, they're all going to be working together. >> juliette, i do want to just note how unusual it is that this is a female student committing a school shootings. i mean, how often does this happen? because we always, you know, i think people took sort of a gasp when they found that it was a, a girl of, i think 15 years old yeah, i was looking at the data yesterday because i had the same reaction. >> in fact, i couldn't remember a time in which i remember that the shooter was was a female, and there's just about nine cases over the last year of a female shooter. >> in what in what would be called a school related shooting. so that may not even be a mass shooting or any fatalities. and it's interesting because the data on

on safety and security and, and and gender stereotypes, i'm willing to admit that is that men generally shoot for sort of what they call aggressive antisocial behavior. in other words, they are lashing out at the world, and a school may be a perfect place because they had gone there, as we've seen in some cases. or or they are they're women killers. and this is, again, gender stereotypes is tend to be sort of murders of intimacy. someone that they know, someone that they feel like they were betrayed by, someone that may have harmed them. and so the investigators are, you know, you can't ignore this. investigators are going to look to sort of why did she choose that school? were the victims chosen for a reason? although we've learned it's a substitute teacher. so it may have been random. and what will the and what will the manifesto in terms of their investigation? what will it tell us in terms of her motivation? because she does fall so far outside of of the

norm and the data at this stage. >> and i do just want to be careful with the you know, the police chief said it was a manifesto or a letter of some sort. there's there's also been talk of perhaps it was like a social media. no, because we did hear that from the chief. he did use the word manifesto. and i think we just need to be careful. sometimes people think manifesto is this big, you know, very well researched and thought out thing. but she is a 15 year old student at the school. daniel, i do want to ask you about what the chief talked about earlier today. when it comes to the parents, we have seen two parents in two separate cases ending up being charged. in these cases. the first one, everyone remembers it was in michigan. the parents of that oxford school shooter were charged and convicted. and then more recently, in winder, georgia, the father of the alleged shooter and the shooter himself, the alleged shooter himself, both charged in that case moments ago. i want you to

listen to what the madison police chief said to john berman. >> as of last night, you were still questioning the parents at this time. any reason to expect that they could be charged with any sort of crime here well, we will certainly look at all facts and aspects of this case as they were voluntarily giving information that certainly helps to determine, you know, if they were involved or if they were. >> this was pre-planned. we don't have any evidence that it was. but we also want to look at if the parents may have been negligent. >> i'm i'm curious from you, daniel, is this going to be standard practice now that the parents are investigated in these cases? and we heard from the chief that they are fully cooperating. and so far there's nothing of the sort that is happening. but do you think this will be standard practice now?

>> absolutely. i think it absolutely should be, because as you discussed here before, that word would he used negligence. >> that is the key word. >> if you know a gun is not dangerous by itself, but if it's not properly handled, if it's not properly individuals having the gun are not trained. if they don't, you know, secure it in the home safely and they make it accessible to young children, even 17 years old. that's illegal in the state of wisconsin. they cannot purchase a weapon until they're 18 years old. that's negligence. they're not keeping that weapon secure. there needs to be followed. there needs to be repercussions. >> the parents who are responsible for that gun, when they purchased it negligently housed it in the, in the, in their home. >> so yes, i think that it should be looked at. and i think from here on out, yes, i think that should definitely motivate a lot of people to start looking at their homes, looking at how they house their weapons and how they're kept in the house. but negligence should be investigated. it should be looked at, including if the parents missed the red

flags along this pathway to violence, not only the negligence to the gun, but if they missed a red flag and chose not to address it. if she made overt actions and overt statements that she wants to kill and they didn't do it, that should be considered too. but everything should be looked at. >> daniel brunner juliette kayyem, thank you both so much for your great analysis. really appreciate it. >> okay, after weeks of wondering what exactly is going on in the skies over multiple states, house lawmakers are set to get a new briefing on the drone mystery today. and new details are also coming out today about the atrocities committed in syria by the now ousted dictator, bashar al assad, and his regime. we have that for you. and also running the numbers on the rising skepticism in childhood vaccines and what it means and why it's back in the headlines because of rfk jr. can't fool myself. >> it was the most exciting time in the world.

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operated in a lawful and legal way. and we've seen nothing from their behavior. nothing that tells us there's a public safety threat or a national security threat. i do want to add one point, though. we've still got about 100 leads that the fbi is following up on. and if we learn something that contradicts that or something more, something additional, something more specific, my goodness, we're going to come public and we're going to talk about it. we have been trying to be as transparent with with the american people as we can. but i think it's also important to remember that there are a million drones registered with the faa and thousands uponn u.s. airspace legally every single day. >> and today, the house intelligence committee is going to receive a classified briefing on these drone sightings. joining me right now is the executive director of the commercial drone alliance, lisa ellman. she is an expert on drones and law and someone who knows the limitations of these laws right now. it's great to see you, lisa. so when i talked to john kirby this morning, he said they've not detected any threats, but he

also and right there at the end i thought was important. he says with this whole episode shows is just how many drones there are out there today. you're an expert in this space. how would you describe the explosion in drone usage these days yeah, well, first of all, thank you, kate, for having me. >> it's great to be with you today. and yeah, the airspace is evolving, and that is that is a good thing, right? um, the technology has moved quickly forward. and what used to be considered toys are now tools for industry and public agencies. and the use of commercial drones, legitimate commercial drone uses are growing exponentially by the day. right. for amazing life saving use cases such as infrastructure inspection, inspecting our bridges, you know, crop spraying, saving lives, um, medical drone delivery. that's just a few examples. but that said, you know, all technologies can be used for good and for bad. and and drones are no exception there. so the commercial drone industry is it's very

important for our industry to engage with communities to utilize a drone digital license plate known as remote identification, to be transparent and electronically conspicuous in the airspace where there are drones that are not engaging with communities, not following the rules. of course, there we worry and the policies have really lagged behind, kate, that, you know, and there's a lot that can be done here, including by those in washington. i sympathize with the frustration of millions of americans across the across the country who just want to know what's happening, who want to know what's flying in the in the air. that's a very fair question to ask. and, you know, there's a lot that can be done here in washington from a policy perspective to close the gap between the technology and the policy. >> and that's one thing we've heard over and over, is that this also has shown not just how many drones there are out there these days is that, once again, technology has advanced much faster than the laws and regulations around them. and, but but there is at its core,

lisa, is the fear. it's not of the great commercial uses of it. it's the fear of the rogue drone, the nefarious use of a drone. and what i feel like we've heard throughout these weeks is that communities feel like they don't have the authority to be able to handle and investigate drones, how how limited is our nation's ability right now to respond to a rogue drone it's incredibly limited, kate. >> that is why we need legislation. and there has been legislation on this pending for years that would fix this problem. so unfortunately, under current law, drones are treated essentially as manned aircraft. and there are there are rule laws that would criminalize, for example, hacking into a computer or hacking into a landline telephone. that could also potentially apply to drone detection technologies, which at the end of the day, what we all want here is information.

we want transparency. we want to know what's in the air. like you said, there is technology out there that can solve these problems. much of it is currently illegal under the law, and that's why there is bipartisan consensus legislation pending in congress that's been pending for years now. that needs to be passed. i really hope that the house and the senate there's you know, there's a senate version which we've been on the record supporting. there's a house version that's that's been much improved over the last year. bring the house and the senate together and let's get this done before the holidays, because this will do a lot in terms of closing some of these legal gaps that our towns and communities are feeling right now. >> so interesting when you hear people, including the incoming president, suggest that the most immediate solution and in the absence of what you're talking about, is to just shoot these things out of the sky, you've got new jersey saying, dear god, please do not try to do that. people. just your reaction as someone in this space of just that is the level of wear that people have gotten is like, maybe we should just

shoot them out of the sky. >> yeah, yeah. well, again, look, i understand the frustration. we all want to know what's going on. we all want to know what's in the air. um, the legislation is key. the use of remote identification, the use of a digital drone license plate, like, you know, like we talked about. it's important to note that there are very legitimate commercial drone uses out there that are growing by the day, and that's a really good thing. so we certainly don't want to, you know, shoot and kind of ask questions later. we need the information, uh, in order to understand who's flying and when. and that's why transparency is so important. electronic conspicuity drones should be taught, you know, talking to each other, a commercial drone, the commercial drone industry is engaging with communities for that reason. um, it's incredibly important for the drone community to build public trust. but of course, we want to enable the good while preventing the bad. and we do need to enable the limited use of in case of rogue or unauthorized drones flying where they shouldn't be that present a threat. there needs to be ways for for towns and

communities to respond. and that's why this legislation is so key. >> i'm not even going to pretend to understand all the ins and outs of drone technology or the laws that that we need to regulate them. just know that that this episode seems to expose that this bipartisan legislation, they need to be taking another really close look at this right now, because there's got to be some kind of a solution. lisa, it's great to see you. thanks for coming in. john. thanks for having me. >> all right. quote. this is all a fantasy. this never happened. the lawyer for jay-z is speaking out about the about the rape claims against his client and a bomb hidden in an electric scooter kills a russian general accused of using chemical weapons in ukraine. can't fool myself. >> it was the most exciting time in the world. >> his life has extremely joyful moments and some really difficult moments. >> you only come across an artist like luther vandross once in a lifetime. >> luther. >> never too much new year's

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this morning, the police chief in madison, wisconsin told us they have not determined how a 15 year old girl got the handgun. >> she used to kill a teacher and student at a christian middle school in madison. the chief also told us they are trying to track down information on a so-called manifesto. with us now is congresswoman gwen moore, a democrat from wisconsin. congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us this morning. what questions do you have about this case? this is just yet another. >> blockbusting episode in american life where we see yet another school shooting. and as often as it's happened, this this past year. three. you know, this is our, i believe, 323rd time. you just can't get used to it. and i mean, what you know what? we can't wrap our heads around this time is

that there's a female shooter involved. and so my heart goes out to all the families and children. intergenerationally. and let's not forget the parents of the shooter, who have also suffered a tremendous loss. i mean, this is horrible. and, you know, my thought is that we don't have a lot of information, and that's why it's really important for us to support efforts that people have made consistently to have the cdc and other private foundations really try to study what the cause of this violence is. you know, we already know that there are too many guns. we you know, a lot of people say it's the mental health or it's video games. we don't know because we refuse to even study this phenomenon. but it's yet another american tragedy. the loss of unfulfilled life and it's

it's really close to home. this is not colorado or texas. this is wisconsin um, one of the things that has changed in the last few years in neighboring michigan, the parents of a school shooter were convicted for basically negligence manslaughter in this, in the crime committed there. >> in georgia, it's possible another school shooting, the father could be implicated there as well. again, not yet known there. i do wonder bigger picture how you feel about that. how you feel about placing some responsibility on parents of school shooters. >> we have no idea what happened here. from what we can. what we know now is that the parents are cooperating with authorities. we don't we don't know. and again, what we don't acknowledge, we can't fix. and i would say as a

parent, as a grandparent, as a great grandparent, that it takes a village to raise a child. we can't just say it's the fault of of the parents or schools don't have magnetometers or this or that. uh, we really have got to lean into this gun violence. as a country, as a community. and this is just yet another indicator of how crucial and critical it is for us to do this. >> congresswoman gwen moore from wisconsin, from milwaukee, not too far from where this shooting happened. i know you are grieving, along with the rest of the state and the rest of the country. thank you so much for being with us this morning, sarah. thanks new lawsuit threats from donald trump, this time against a renowned pollster who released unfavorable numbers about the president elect just ahead of the election. >> more on that. plus, losing faith in vaccines and how it could affect your children. we look at the rising number of parents who no longer trust

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reporters yesterday he's, quote, all in for the polio vaccine. so that's one. but he is also said just in july, quote, there is no vaccine that is safe and effective. cnn's harry enten has been looking into kind of the broader issue that this raises, which is vaccine skepticism. the views on vaccinations kind of in america and the trends is how it's changed. what have you found? >> yeah, i would say this. >> you know, i often look at trends. >> you know, we come on, we talk about trends. >> i believe this is one of the more troubling trends that we have seen that we have covered here. >> so vaccinate children highly important. that is extremely or very important. >> we got overall and we got the gop. they both sort of sort of match each other. but the gop is even more of a drop off. >> so overall, you know, back in 2001, 94%, it was extremely or very important to vaccinate children in 2019 drops to 84%. >> look at where we are now. just 69%. look, it's still the clear majority, right? but it's dropped 25 points since the beginning of the century and dropped 15 points in just the last five years. look at

republicans that drop off is even more. look at this 93%. back in 2001, 79% in 2019, and then 54%. that is a drop of nearly 40 percentage points since the beginning of the century. something to know. a lot of public health officials are very, very worried about. >> i mean, that drop is not a blip. why is that? what what are you seeing is driving it more in republicans. yeah. >> what is driving it more in republicans? >> i think this ultimately is the big question. think vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases they are designed to protect against? of course, vaccines are not more dangerous than the diseases they're designed to protect against. they are very helpful. they help save lives. but look at this among republicans. back in 2001, it was just 5%. i would argue that was too high. but look at where it jumped into 2019. 13%. look, in the last five years, we're talking a third of republicans who believe this falsehood that vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases they're designed to protect against.

and i think this goes hand in hand with the vaccine skepticism. and a lot of folks thinking that childhood vaccinations are not that important, when, of course, they're extremely important. and fortunately, the majority of americans still believe that they're extremely or very important, but it's dropped off significantly. >> i'm going to also say this time period from like right around this time period, we've got covid, but you also had a lot of loud mouthpieces, people with big voices spouting conspiracy theories that had to be batted down on their concerns and their fears about vaccines. many, all unfounded. correct. but this is what you see here. >> and obviously, that's part of the reason that rfk has been embraced in part by republicans, because what we're seeing is these falsehoods have seeped into the republican mainstream, and you get 32% of folks believing that vaccines are more dangerous than the disease they're designed to protect against. one little last nugget, kate, i'll note among parents how parents feel vaccinate their children extremely or very important. this, of course, is the key group that is among those with children under the age of 18 and 2019, 77%. look at where we

are today. it's just 58%. this is a dangerously low number. and as the son of a pediatrician, it's a quite concerning number, especially when you just consider the beginnings of what herd immunity means. >> it's not getting 58%. exactly right. get vaccinated. exactly right. thank you so much, harry. thank you. this is something to remember. yeah. john. sarah. so sorry. >> it's all good. joining me now is cnn political commentator and republican strategist shermichael singleton. and chuck rocca is in the house. democratic strategist and former senior adviser to bernie sanders, presidential campaigns. all right. let's start right away with what we were just talking about. what harry and kate were just talking about the vaccines. senator lisa murkowski, who will meet with rfk this week, was asked about rfk saying that, you know, look, the polio vaccine, you know, i'm okay with it. and she responded by saying, look, it begs the question, is it just that one vaccine or kind of where is it coming from more broadly? so to you, chuck, when you hear these words from

kennedy, who knows that one member of the senate has had polio and is extremely concerned about it? do you think he's just pandering at this point? >> i think he's trying to get confirmed, and i think he'll revert back to what he has always said, because he's always said that. and i think that's the key here. and the member, which is really important for what you're saying about polio was mitch mcconnell, and he is not running for reelection. and it's very, very important for people to know that these senators are up every six years, and there's a different amount of pressure you can put on somebody who's up in two years, like a joni ernst or the gentleman from north carolina, much different than if you're running in four years or if you're mitch mcconnell and all out of give a like he has been with donald trump for a long time, all had to give a i have to write that down and put it on a t shirt. >> shermichael i want to get your thoughts. you know, knowing that rfk's attorney petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine. how do you see this? and how do you see senators looking at this? do they take his words, or do they go back and look at all the things that have been said in the past and done in the past?

>> well, i think they're probably going to look at everything in totality. >> i mean, he's going to have to answer some very serious questions about the concerns that some of those senators have. >> you can't lose more than four. >> you lose more than four. then you can't get confirmed. >> but ultimately, i think any cabinet nominee, if confirmed, will follow the. >> president-elect's lead. >> and he's been very clear that he supports polio. >> he gave made a statement yesterday. he talked about friends who survived, experienced, experienced that. he talked about how he would want to focus on a litany of things from the types of pesticides we use in agriculture, uh, citing scandinavian countries, which i, once upon a time, remember. many of my democratic friends lauding for their great health care system. and so i don't think you're going to see cabinet secretaries run amok doing whatever they want to do. they're going to follow the president's agenda, because it's his agenda that the american people ultimately elected. >> all right. let me ask you about some of the other things that donald trump said yesterday in his first

post-election press conference. during it, he did what he loves to do is take aim at his at his favorite targets, the media. here's some of what he said. >> i want to expand on the defamation lawsuits. could you see moving that to other people with individual platforms, social media influencers, people that or ni do. i think you have to do it because they're very dishonest. i'm going to be bringing one agauh, the people in iowa, their newspaper, which had a very, very good pollster who got me right all the time. and then just before the election, she said i was going to lose by 3 or 4 points. >> all right. so he talked about he was going to sue that renowned pollster in iowa. we've just gotten this in from our brian stelter katelyn polantz and paula reid that he is escalating his legal campaign against media outlets and is suing. now that pollster

j. ann selzer. so i want to ask you, shermichael, is this a scare tactic? you heard the question there about this isn't just legacy media that could be sort of threatened or sued, but anybody that makes a negative comment, is it a scare tactic to keep people from from doing, you know, negative reporting, if that's what is out there yeah. >> i don't know if it's a scare tactic, but i do know in our country, we permit everyone under our current laws to file a lawsuit if they have a potential claim against someone and that litigation will will move forward or it will fail on its merits, a judge will look at the allegations. a judge will assess whether or not it should move forward, and if it can't move forward, then the judge will dismiss it. if the judge does believe that there is potentially enough there to move forward, then it should move forward, as it would for me as a regular individual or the president of the united states. i wouldn't necessarily distinguish the difference. so i don't know if it's a scare tactic any more than it is the

president elect saying, wait a minute here. i think this poll was a bit ludicrous, which i certainly, as a strategist, believed at the time it was ludicrous. and i still maintain that position. and i want to understand why was it moved forward when every other polling data across the country cited something different? and if a judge looks at those claims and says, you know what, let's move this thing forward then. then it should. i respect the justice system, and i would assume that most americans would respect it as well. >> yeah. you think suing over a polling, which isn't always right? i mean, there's a slippery slope there. and i'm curious, chuck, to you, as to whether or not you think this is a tactic to try to silence people or sort of have a chilling effect. >> well, let's be clear. i've been running campaigns for 38 years, and if we start suing people for bad polls, count me all in. and a lot of trauma in my life over that time period. but just like my good friend shermichael said about how democrats have pontificated about health care system, i remember when republicans used to say free speech was a really big deal, and we shouldn't be

silencing the media. we should have a free and open press. there's two different things happening here. donald trump is trying to make a point like he always does by flooding the zone. he's going out there to make abc and other folks spend a lot of money that they don't have to do, and i think that's why they settled. they don't want to spend all of this money fighting him because he has unlimited money. and i know we're going to talk about all of his billionaire friends. he got money behind money. but when you start talking about individual polls that he just don't like, then put me in line with him because there's a lot of polls i haven't liked over my 30 years. >> chuck rocha shermichael singleton, thank you both so much for that. it was a good discussion. that was a good, lively discussion. >> i'll be here all week. >> appreciate it. we'll have you on. all right john. >> all right brain rot. all right. has nothing to do with anything we're just talking about. it's a phrase that describes what happens when you scroll endlessly on social media. is it a real medical thing? and do you have it? doctor sanjay gupta is about to tell you and put this one in the category of if it's true, it means nothing else really

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banned chemical weapons in ukraine. a source with knowledge of the operation told cnn that ukraine's security services were behind this assassination. with us now is cnn global affairs analyst, former secretary of defense mark esper. mr. secretary, thank you so much for being with us. good morning john. this is ukraine striking in the heart of moscow, blocks from the kremlin. a senior russian general. i'm wondering what it says about ukraine's capabilities and what you think the impact might be. >> well, ukraine has had a capability going on two years now to reach deep into russia to include moscow. if you recall, early on in the war, they shot drones at the kremlin. so they have this capability. they've gone after others before. but clearly this is payback for what they allege have been over 4600 chemical attacks against ukrainian forces, ukrainian civilians in that country during this, what, two and a half year war. >> now, what do you think it will do to the possibility of ending this conflict, don't you think would inflame the russians? >> sure, a little bit. but look, russians have the momentum right now. they're gaining ground. it seems every day they're getting very close

to the strategic city of pokrovsk, which is a crossroads for logistics. so time is not on ukrainian side. and at the same time, they know that donald trump's coming into office in 4 or 5 weeks. and it's unclear what's going to happen then. >> you talked about drones in ukraine and moscow. can i talk about drones in the united states? obviously, you've been following what's happening here. john kirby came on last night and said that they've really gone through this, and they believe the administration does that. most of these drones are really lawfully flown drones, airplanes. there might be 100 or so cases they're trying to track down. they're still not sure what they are. you were secretary of defense. there's been a lot of speculation that some of the things people are seeing in the sky might be u.s. drones, some kind of military drone, some kind of top secret operation, or maybe not even top secret. are you aware of any any, you know, system in place that would have military drones flying in such large numbers? >> well, if it was top secret, i wouldn't tell you. >> that's why. that's why i changed the question midstream. >> look, we have more than enough ranges around the country, outside the united

states where we can. we can test drones and rehearse them and and do whatever we need to do. so that's not my concern. i think john kirby's explanation seems reasonable. the problem is it took us two weeks to get there. and the bottom line is we should know everything that's flying up there at any time. we should be able to identify it, classify it, call the owner of the use or whatever the case may be. but more importantly, i think, john, when you step back, the proliferation of drones flying in civilian airspace is only going to get bigger and broader and denser, and we need the faa and the fcc to a certain extent to, to to kind of speed up the process by which we write these rules for the future, or else people are going to get more upset because, you know, it's one thing to have a a small drone flying around your neighborhood, but to have an suv sized drone that could possibly fall on your house, that's a concern. >> this was something, again, the technology was five years earlier, 4 or 5 years earlier when you were secretary of defense. but this was something that was becoming an issue when you were there. >> yeah. when i was secretary, even as secretary of the army, we had sensitive sites around the country in places where we

saw drones in our airspace conducting some type of surveillance. we believed and yet did not have the authority to shoot them down. and we pressed within the pentagon to get that authority. it comes from both the faa for sure, and the fcc. if you want to use some type of directed energy weapon to to knock it down in a non-kinetic means. so look, we need to accelerate the regulatory adoption of certain certain rules authorities. this has been talked about by members of congress to kind of make sure we bring the faa and fcc up to where drones and drone use is not just today, but where it's going in the future. >> the man that donald trump wants to be secretary of defense, pete hegseth kfile, cnn's andrew kaczynski and his team are reporting that he was questioning january 6th whether or not it was antifa behind the january 6th riots four years ago. he said, apparently there are reports, you know, in the new york post and elsewhere. and just from, you know, common sense, the antifa folks took advantage of this to try to get to the front and try to agitate and create openings for themselves. i could even spot it. he said, you can see

helmets where there's a donald trump bumper sticker on the back, quickly put on so they could look like they wanted to stop the steal. but what they really wanted to do was further the narrative. my question here is if here's a guy who's who's questioning who was behind january 6th, how comfortable would you be with that person in charge of the pentagon? >> i think all this is going to come out in the hearings. they'll be out there in the next few weeks at some point. and he's going to have to explain not just that issue, but his various views, as all nominees do, as i had to do on these various topics. and i think it's going to be, you know, a tough hearing for a number of reasons. >> former secretary mark esper, great to see you in person. have a wonderful holiday. thank you john. you too. sarah. >> all right. this morning we're discussing brain rot. the oxford word of the year refers to internet content that is considered low quality or low value. you may see it while swiping and scrolling online for way longer than you expected. but is it real? what does consuming that kind of content actually do to our brains? doctor sanjay gupta, our very own brain surgeon and chief medical correspondent, is on call this week and joins us

now. look, i just i have to say this in all honesty, like, i am one of those people that sometimes does that. and i do feel bad. i don't know if my brain is rotting, but it does make you feel bad. so can videos of things like talking toilets. kids are going to get mad skibidi this and skibidi that really rot our brains. >> you're talking to the kids. i love it sarah. um, so the short answer is is yes. and this is really interesting because we're getting more and more data about this. and by the way, you mentioned the criteria, excessive amounts of low quality content. so just keep that in the back of the mind. we've known for some time now that simply scrolling or doom scrolling as they call it, can be associated with an increased risk of depression. and to give you some context, they're more than three hours a day for teens seem to double their risk of depression. so, you know, that's significant. the average is typically around five hours. so when we talk about teens in particular, we start to get a sense of just the impact. but now we also

have images and studies that actually look at what's happening to the brain in people who are on consuming this low quality content for excessive amounts of time. it tends to thin certain areas of the brain, called the cortex, that is responsible for your memory and your perception. and it also there's so that's gray matter. there's white matter that's sort of in between all the gray matter in your brain. and it seems to slow that down as well. that can lead to people feeling like they're not thinking as quickly or the brain fog type symptoms. so it's a real thing. and it's concerning for a lot of people. brain rot is the word of the year for a reason, by the way. it's not brand new. it goes back to the 1800s. henry david thoreau actually first used the term brain rot when talking about the fact that we are devaluing complicated ideas. same concept, just much wider scale now. >> same concept, new technology that we're all dealing with. you know, i just mentioned this. we all get pulled down this rabbit hole like we can't just say, oh, this is a kids

problem. this isn't a everybody problem. what is it that makes it so easy to get sucked in and you literally lose time yeah you do. >> and first of all, just look at how ubiquitous these devices are. and you raise this point that it's very similar for adults and teenagers now nowadays. but if you look at the data, 95% of teens, 13 to 17 years old, they have access to a smartphone, 46% are using those devices or using the internet almost constantly. compare that to adults because people often say this is a teen problem, but with adults, 90% say they use the web daily, 41% online, almost constantly. there seems to be three factors in terms of the rabbit hole that you that you bring up. one is how much we watch. and what i mean by that is if you if you watch five videos in a row, you are far more likely to watch the next one than if you've just watched one. so it just becomes this spiraling sort of effect. how similar is the