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>> next hour we will get an update from madison police after a 15 year old girl killed a teacher and a fellow student at her christian school, a community that is reeling from the tragedy as major questions remain unanswered. how did she get the gun? who owned it, and what was the motive? plus. 5000 tips, zero answers. members of congress scheduled to receive a classified briefing on the recent flurry of reported drone sightings across the u.s.. we're going to speak with one of those lawmakers. >> plus, a brazen assassination carried out just four miles from the kremlin. a bomb hidden in an electric scooter killing a russian general accused of using chemical weapons in ukraine. we're following these major developing stories and many more, all coming in right here to cnn news central
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hello, i'm brianna keilar alongside boris sanchez here in washington. >> and right now investigators are trying to understand why a 15 year old girl opened fire at her school in madison, wisconsin, killing two people and injuring several others. as new details emerge, giving us a clearer picture of how this tragedy unfolded. according to police, a second grader called 911 when shots rang out at abundant life christian school and the first officer arrived on scene within minutes. we now know one teacher and one student were killed, and of the six injured, two of them are fighting for their lives. two others are in stable condition. >> right now, we're waiting for an update from police. set to happen in the next hour as they comb through evidence to piece together what may have led up to this shooting we have been made aware of a manifesto, if you want to call that or some type of letter that's been posted by someone who
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alleged to be her friend. >> we haven't been able to locate that person yet, but that's something we're going to work on today. we'll also be looking through her effects. if she had a computer or cell phone, to see if there are any transmissions between her and someone else. >> cnn's natasha chen has been following this story for us. >> natasha, where does the investigation stand right now? >> right. >> as you heard the chief just say they are working on locating that person who posted the alleged manifesto or the letter from the shooter. police have said that they don't have any record of previous interactions with this teenager. they are working with her parents, who are being cooperative at the moment. they're trying to figure out whether the gun that was used in this shooting was owned by or possessed by the parents, and they're also asking atf to do a trace on the gun where it was purchased. when was it purchased? by whom? basically tracing the steps all the way to how it got in the hands of this 15 year old student, this
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second grader, as you mentioned, had called 911. a very. traumatizing moment. this apparently came out of a call from a classroom in a study hall where there were students of mixed grade levels. here are a couple of the students just reeling from what happened that day we heard them and then some people started crying. >> and then we just waited until the police came. and then they escorted us out to the church. >> i was scared. >> and why did they do that? why? >> i just heard sobbing and there was a teacher and she was screaming like, ah, my leg. help, help! i was, i was really scared and i was really sad an incredible thing for a young person to witness like that, and for one of them to have the wherewithal to call 911. >> and in fact, we are told that the school actually had an active shooter training just earlier in the year, something that's all too real for many
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schools across the country, as you mentioned. now, this is the 83rd u.s. school shooting in 2024. that outpaces the number in 2023 for the most number of school shootings in the u.s. since cnn started tracking this information in 2008. just an incredible amount for this madison community to deal with and for the country. we are expecting, as you said, another update in about one hour. they may release victims names, but they said that they would be making sure all family members have been notified before they do that. boris and brianna, natasha, thank you so much for the update. >> let's dig deeper now with retired maryland state police commander neil franklin and cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller. thank you both for being with us. john, first to you. what major questions are you looking for police to address when they give this update at 2 p.m.? >> well, i think the two major questions that i would be most pointed on would be the origin of the gun. >> the atf trace will say who
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the company that manufactured it was and where they shipped it, and that would be a federally licensed firearms dealer, most likely a gun store. then who purchased it. but in the cases where we have seen across the country in these school shootings carried out by students in high school or younger, those guns most often come from the home, were legally purchased, were legally possessed. and when we heard the chief yesterday, he said that they are looking into whether that's the case. so if they interviewed the parents and the parents cooperated, the likelihood is that they know that. >> and neil, what are the next steps in this investigation as police are trying to figure out what the motive is? >> so i think the next steps, as you heard and i heard the chief this morning during his press briefing interviewing friends, trying to find a little bit more about the so-called manifesto that's out there, might be out there, um, digging through her cell phone,
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digging through if she has a laptop, social media, and they're going to be searching anywhere that they can to find information regarding a possible motive to why she may have done this. >> the chief also mentioned some things this morning, i think are very interesting and very important. >> two things mental health. >> and we hear this time and time again, the mental health of the child. you know what she was dealing with, if anything. obviously there's something there, in my opinion. >> and of course, the second thing, as you were just talking about access to the firearm that was used. >> those are the i think, the two most important things. and hopefully we can gain information going forward to help prevent similar shootings down the road. >> john, i think we're all at this point, you know, having covered these for decades now, that we don't want to give the shooter attention for something that has become so horrifically commonplace. we want to give attention to the victims. we want to give attention to the people who are actually doing something to stop this from happening again, which is,
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let's face it, likely not going to be congress. it's going to have to be school administrators, teachers, students, and it's going to have to be parents. so what do what do they need to know here? that folks in law enforcement have studied about them being the eyes and the ears? >> well, the fbi behavioral behavioral analysis unit has done a tremendous amount of work in this and what they've learned after studying all of these shootings is these school shooters. we say, you know, pressure built up personal issues, you know, came to a head and they snapped. they don't snap. every study has told us again and again that they seethe. they plan, they prepare, they arm, they map these things out. sometimes over days, often over weeks. in the case of the nashville school shooter, literally over years. and during that time, they give off a number of signals that people around them, if they are trained to
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recognize them, should see. and the fbi has at fbi.gov backslash prevent an entire kit of the lists of 15 of these potential tells whether you see a cluster of them or a couple of them, and then they get this, which is people don't want to call the police on their friend, especially if they might be wrong. but it talks about finding someone you can trust a teacher, a coach, a guidance counselor, a parent, a friend, and ways to intervene. which i think since we already know gun control is a discussion that's going to drag on for the rest of time. this is a solution that could start to happen tomorrow if people knew what the resources were and where to find them. >> neil, what do you think yeah, well, first of all, john is absolutely right as it relates to those things regarding mental health and not snapping. >> but i also think on the other side of this regarding access to these firearms. >> and john also mentioned that more times than not, it comes
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from the household. that's where the firearm comes from. >> i think we have to do a better job in educating parents, people who have firearms in the home, a better job of educating them and expressing the importance of of safety with those firearms. >> a safe, a lock box, something to prevent their children or friends of children gaining access to these firearms. so again, the mental health that john was talking about. and folks that hear something, friends that hear something going to someone they trust. and the second thing, access. you know, if we can get folks to secure their firearms better and do a better job of educating and education should also take place in the school, at pta meetings with parents, as well that's very good advice. >> yeah, definitely. >> neil, i was also wondering when it comes to this reported manifesto that police are trying to determine the veracity of what exactly is that process like? to figure
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out if the person who committed the shooting yesterday actually wrote out what supposedly a friend had provided police well, first of all, if it's online, you have ip addresses that the police are very good of tracking, and if so, they can get the assistance from the fbi with that. >> um, so if it's electronic tracking, the ip address, um, seeing if there's anything in, um, uh, the young girl's cell phone, it had to be communicated from her some kind of way. and typically it's electronic. researching her writings, is there anything if they have a copy of this manifesto, are there any writings in any of her personal effects that have the same verbiage or parts of the verbiage? it's going to take a while. it's it's painstaking to dig up this information, but that coupled with the interviews of friends and so on, if it is in fact true, they
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will find that out. they're very good at this. >> john miller, neil franklin, thank you so much to both of you. we do appreciate your time today brianna. >> boris, thank you. >> and still to come this hour, a top russian general killed not far from the kremlin, a source telling cnn that ukraine was behind the attack. wait until you hear how they carried this out. plus, the house intel committee about to get a classified briefing on those drone sightings that have caused anxiety across several states. we're going to be speaking to a member of that committee when we come back. >> and state electors are meeting right now to cast their votes in the 2024 election. you're watching cnn news central, and we'll be right back. >> can't fool myself. it was the most exciting time in the world. >> his life had extremely joyful moments and some really difficult moments. >> you only come across an artist like luther vandross once in a lifetime.
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>> wegovy ask your prescriber about wegovy new year's eve live with anderson and andy. live coverage starts at eight on cnn. >> president elect trump's presidential victory is being officially confirmed today. i think you knew this, but hundreds of electors are gathering in state capitals nationwide to do the official business of casting electoral college votes. and you are looking here at the proceedings that are underway in saint paul, minnesota. it's a process, of course, that is largely ceremonial. >> it is mostly symbolic, but it is a big honor. and today, 13 republicans involved in the 2020 fake electors plot are getting to sign the legit certificates, including some who face criminal charges for their actions four years ago. cnn chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny is here. jeff, walk us through this process. >> look, it is ceremonial, but i think we learned four years ago that some ceremonies are disrupted. so this is an important part of the process. yes. the election was some 42
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days or so ago, and donald trump is going to begin his second term in office in 34 days or so. but today is a key part of this becoming official. so we're seeing state by state, by state happening right now. it's underway in wisconsin, in nevada, as we saw there in minnesota, some other states as well. but during the 3:00 eastern hour this afternoon, the state of texas will put the former president and soon to be next president over the top in terms of 270 electoral votes. so that is something that this is a peaceful transition of power. what is unusual this time around? there are 13 fake electors from four years ago, some of whom are under criminal charges, who are electors this time as well. so that is, i guess, the hangover, if you will, of when donald trump refused to accept his defeat four years ago. the difference today is kamala harris is accepting her defeat and ironically, at the end of all of this early next month, she'll preside in the senate chamber over these electors actually becoming certified. and she will do as al gore did
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in 2000, accept her own defeat. that is how it should work in the united states of america. >> that's the process of democracy and a democratic handover of power. jeff zeleny, thank you so much. you bet. let's discuss this and more with democratic new jersey congressman josh gottheimer. he's a member of the house intelligence committee. congressman, thank you so much for being with us. i do want i do want to talk to you about drones and the drones that have been hovering over new jersey and parts of the northeast. but first, i did want to ask you something about the electoral process, because yesterday, some of your democratic colleagues on the senate side unveiled an amendment to abolish the electoral college. i wonder if you would support it. >> i haven't seen that. but what i do support, as you were just talking about, is, of course, a peaceful transfer of power. we have a lot of work to do this coming congress. >> and as you know, it's going to be a very narrow majority in the house, and it's going to take many of us working together to make sure the country runs, including, by the
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way, this week on our annual appropriations measures to keep the government funded and running and helping our veterans and our first responders and our families with support for child care and other key issues. it's going to take us working together. and that's what i've been very focused on as, you know, as as co-chair of the problem solvers caucus, something is how are we going to make sure we govern this country? >> and before i get to the drone aspect of our conversation, are you confident the government will remain open past friday's deadline? >> well, we're still waiting, as you know, for the republicans to actually put out a bill and put out text, you know, but i'll tell you this, it's going to take democrats and republicans to get that bill across the finish line. >> i'm hoping they get it out because the government is set to shut down, as you just pointed out soon. and we're waiting for it. so, you know, i'm ready to read it as soon as they can get this out, out the door. >> now, on to this controversial subject. you have been outspoken in your eagerness to get information for folks, for your constituents, for folks in your
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home state. you also set up a website where people could submit information on these drone sightings, not just in the northeast, but from across the country. i wonder if you could take us through some of the tips that you've been getting? >> well, we've been getting and we're focusing, of course, on jersey, where i live and where we've seen a surge of drone activity has been reported by so many people. >> and what i've said is, listen, i'm i'm willing, given that there are so many bits of information out there, to set up a site where people can send us their information so that i can pass that along to the fbi, to dhs, and of course, the intelligence committee, where i sit and to the intelligence world to make sure we get this information shared. >> you know, the key here is transparency and making sure people know that we're not telling them or insulting them and saying they're not, that they're not seeing what they're seeing, but actually explaining to them what they are. and this is where i've called on the fbi, homeland security and others to please do a briefing right away, come out, explain to the country and to the people that i represent,
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what they know. right. and that that transparency, that information is critically important. and then, of course, to give local law enforcement and i've got bipartisan legislation to do this, the tools they need to be able to monitor and ensure this isn't the wild west of drones, right? that actually only the drones that are licensed and should be in the air are in the air. i'm not talking about recreational drones that you have in your backyard, right. as someone puts, you know, you get for the holidays. >> i'm talking about these large drones that that i'm concerned are over military bases, as have been reported over reservoirs, over critical infrastructure and over airports. >> we've got to make sure that we keep people safe, but we've got to give people information. otherwise, as you know, people just wonder what's going on. >> yeah. and folks speculate. and i've heard from friends that live in the area that there are a range of theories. some folks think that it's a foreign operation. one of your fellow new jersey congressman suggested that there was an iranian mothership off the atlantic coast. what's your
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hypothesis? what's the most likely scenario of what it is that you're seeing up in the sky at night? >> well, here's what i know. you know, i've been briefed by the fbi and homeland and reached out multiple times and feel very good saying that i believe based on what they know and what they're able to scan, that there is no imminent threat to public safety. that said, what i want to know is more information about where these are all coming from, why the surge in sightings? and obviously, i have an intelligence committee briefing, as i mentioned, coming up in the next couple of hours and hope to learn more. >> i feel good about the fact that there's no foreign threats here. >> that said, i think people should know, well, what what is this surge of activity? where are they coming from? how do we make sure that we monitor the skies properly? i've called for an an faa traffic monitoring of the sky, just like we do at our airports with planes. so we know what's out there and know what's going on. you can't have just people throwing up drones everywhere. these unlicensed, unwelcome drones and and making sure that they're not capturing information or anything else. that's the kind of stuff i
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want to get to the bottom of, and i want to make sure that they brief the public on, not put out like a drip, drip of statements. i mean, come out as the fbi and homeland security should and give a proper public briefing and tell people answer their questions. so otherwise you have you leave a huge vacuum and people will just fill it with their own information, and it's time for them to put out the facts. >> but if you get information at that classified briefing that for security reasons, you can't share publicly, how do you then go about reassuring folks that there is no imminent threat? because if you hear from officials, there's no imminent threat. but we also have no idea what this is. how sure can you be that there is no imminent threat? >> well, listen, there are certain ways to communicate to the public without specifics. and as you know what i learned in the classified setting, i can't discuss publicly. however, you'll know information enough that i think. and what i've learned from the fbi and dhs, i believe they can go out publicly with and talk about. and obviously
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what i learned based on that, there's ways to communicate with the public without giving all the specifics, but to make people feel better, that they shouldn't have to worry when they look at the sky or what's flying overhead. that, to me is the most important thing, right? i just want people to not have to worry. and, you know, they're seeing stuff, right? they're sending me stuff. i know they're seeing things. i've heard from local law enforcement that they've seen things with their own eyes. so the bottom line is we've got to address that. we can't just tell insult people and tell them they're not seeing things. i think that's the wrong answer. and you saw the secretary of homeland security, he came out and said, this weekend, finally, yes, people are seeing drones, right? instead of telling people they're not. so, you know, i think the key again here is transparency information. don't insult people and tell them they aren't seeing things. explain to them exactly what's going on. then i believe people will feel better. >> congressman josh gottheimer, we look forward to hearing what comes of that classified briefing. thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. of course. >> so rfk jr. says that he is all in for the polio vaccine.
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we're talking about the polio vaccine, which president elect trump has praised as the, quote, greatest thing. his pick for health and human services secretary robert kennedy jr., a longtime vaccine skeptic, is back up on capitol hill today trying to shore up support for his confirmation. and yesterday, he echoed trump's approval for the polio vaccine. >> you're not going to lose the the polio vaccine. that's not going to happen. i saw what happened with the polio. i have friends that were very much affected by that. i have friends for many years ago, and they have obviously they they're still in not such good shape because of it. you know, that was and many people died. and the moment they took that vaccine, it ended. doctor jonas salk did a great job. >> should the polio vaccine be revoked, you're going to take away their vaccine. should the should the polio vaccine be revoked? >> polio vaccine kennedy saying
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there that he was, quote, all for the polio vaccine. >> but his lawyer and his top ally aaron siri recently petitioned the fda to pull its approval of the vaccine in 2022. and while president elect trump seemed all in on the polio vaccine, listen closely to what else he said about vaccines do you believe there's a connection between vaccines and autism? >> do you believe there's a link? >> well, i don't look right now. you have some very brilliant people looking at it. if you look at autism. so 30 years ago we had i've heard numbers of like 1 in 200,000, 1 in 100,000. and now i'm hearing numbers of 1 in 100. so something's wrong. >> do you think schools should mandate vaccines? >> i don't like mandates. i'm not a big mandate person. >> and joining us now is doctor peter salk, whose father you heard the president elect mention, jonas salk. he
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invented the initial polio vaccine. doctor salk is also the president of the jonas salk legacy foundation. he's a professor of infectious diseases and microbiology at the university of pittsburgh school of public health. doctor, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us today. it's such a critical time. what are your thoughts as you're hearing what the president elect and rfk jr. are saying about praising the polio vaccine, but also what they're saying about and have said about vaccines. more broadly. >> yeah. >> i'm so relieved to hear that both the president and rfk jr.. are being supportive of the polio vaccine. it has done such a wonderful job, along with the other vaccine that came along afterwards in ridding the world almost completely from polio. at this point, the injected vaccine that my father and his team at the university of pittsburgh developed is extremely safe. very rarely would someone have
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an allergic reaction to it. so this, i think, is absolutely the correct decision. what their concern was was that more in more recent years, an enhanced potency version of that vaccine was made and that's just more effective there. i think their concern was perhaps it was more dangerous, but there's been no evidence of that how effective would your father's vaccine, the polio vaccine be if it were not mandated well, anyone who is immunized with that vaccine, almost every single person will end up being protected themselves against developing polio because it blocks the ability of the virus to travel to the brain and the spinal cord and cause paralysis. but there's also an issue of spreading virus from one person to another who have
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not been immunized. the more people that are immunized, the better the protection will be against other people getting infected. now, in this country at this point, there's there's very little likelihood of polio, the polio virus being transmitted in 2022. a case was brought over from. from overseas and and into a community where the polio vaccination rates were much lower than than they should be. i would urge everyone to have their children vaccinated, not only against the polio, but also against the other diseases of childhood and other diseases that cause them to be at risk of of damage in their own lives, not only for themselves, for yourself, of course, but also to help protect others around you. >> what do you say to parents, to families out there who are concerned that there is a link
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between vaccines and autism, which has been disproven, but certainly has been perpetuated by some high profile names, including the potential incoming hhs secretary. what do you say to families? as they're weighing what they may think are risks to these vaccines that don't exist with the benefits? >> yeah, in the case of autism, it's absolutely clear from the studies that have been done that vaccines are not a cause of autism. autism begins in the womb before a child is ever immunized against anything. it's so this is just what happens is that people receive vaccines during childhood and then at some point, if a child is predestined to get autism, it will come at some point in relationship to anything that would happen before that, including a vaccine that might
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accidentally be close to it. there's not a cause and effect relationship one can relax about that. but what i would say is this in medications, including vaccines, can have side effects of one sort or another. what's important is to study them carefully and to be and to understand what the circumstances are. if there are concerns about one thing or another, we can take autism off of the list. but if there are concerns, then people should get together and address the issues as concisely as possible. have studies done? studies have been done that already. so if people are concerned, we have to respect that concern. but i can say as far as autism is concerned, that is just not something that one has to worry about with respect to vaccines. >> it's important to hear that from you. i think it's so interesting for people to know, and they likely do not that you were among the first to get the polio vaccination. your father
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gave it to you along with your siblings, which speaks to the confidence that he had in it and just how important he thought it was for you guys to have that can can you tell us what you remember about that moment, what your siblings remembered about that moment, and you know what you think your father would make of today's debate over his creation? >> yeah, i remember that moment very well. my father brought the experimental vaccine home, boiled this needles and syringes on the stove to sterilize them, lined us up. and the reason i remember that day so clearly is because i hated vaccines. i hated, i mean, i hated needles, and for some blessed reason, the needle just did not hurt that day, which was just a seared that moment into my memory. and the other question you asked what he would think of sort of the debate, especially considering
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how people would have welcomed this chance to be free of polio during his time. oh yeah. listen, the the country, the world was terrified of polio. there were epidemics were getting worse and worse. children were being paralyzed. many, many put in iron lungs, not being able to breathe. many died. this was something that everyone was terrified about. the national foundation for infantile paralysis, created by franklin roosevelt with a fundraising arm, the march of dimes, raised the money for all of the studies to create vaccines against polio and to help care for for patients, people. it was the people of this country who won by one dime by dime, dollar by dollar, provided the funds for the research program that created the polio vaccine. the polio vaccine. this was not at that point government funded. this was the people, and it was the people's victory over this
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disease. so everyone was behind it. and when the vaccine was found to be effective in a huge national field trial, a wave of relief swept the country. nowadays, we're just not faced with polio, certainly. and other childhood illnesses. and that because of vaccines. and so parents aren't used to thinking, oh, we're seeing all of this disease around us. but it's very important to keep up immunization to protect your children in the future and to protect the and to protect the community. so that's what i would have to say is, is get on board with vaccines. they're really important. they've saved countless numbers of lives. this is something that we want to continue into the future. >> yeah, hard to imagine the world without them. doctor salk, we appreciate your time. thank you so much for being with us today, brianna.
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which you may have noticed standing there next to that door went off. >> kyiv has claimed responsibility. ukraine has claimed responsibility here. kirillov was wanted by ukraine for using chemical weapons. russian officials are calling his killing a, quote, terrorist act. >> let's discuss with retired lieutenant general mark hertling. general hertling, thank you so much for being with us. obviously, this explosion, a very ambitious and well planned targeted attack. i wonder what the strategy was behind ukraine targeting this specific russian official. >> well, this isn't the first, boris, as you know, and some of the reporting cnn has put out has showed that there have been multiple attempts at killing high ranking russian officials on this particular one. >> it was a very good targeting approach because this individual is in charge of what's called the nbc capability of russia nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. >> russia has used chemical
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weapons inside of ukraine. >> they've used a type of what's called cs gas or or chlorine type of gas to uh, to basically affect soldiers on the front line. >> and that's in violation of both the geneva convention and the law of land warfare. so in-absentia the courts in ukraine has held this individual. colonel general kirillov, a three star general, as a war criminal. so this was a targeted attack on him to kill him. but it's also important that it's been done on the streets of moscow. some of some of the targets that have been conducted have been close to the city center. so you're seeing, you know, basically a psychological approach to tell russian soldiers, russian generals, there is no safe for you, safe place for you. excuse me if you're not on the front line, we're still going to come after you. and this is a valid target under the laws of land warfare. >> what's also significant here is that a source quickly
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told cnn that ukraine's security services were behind the assassination. what do you make of the speed with which ukraine claimed responsibility here? >> well, they want to, brianna. and again, it gets to the psychological effects of something like this. we are everywhere in russia. that's the message ukraine is saying. they've struck targets with drones with some unmanned aircraft, a variety of unmanned naval vehicles have struck the black and the and the baltic sea fleets. so you're talking about that this ukraine is sending the message that if you're going to strike our infrastructure inside of ukraine, we're going to come after you, too. and again, i'll repeat it. there is no safe place for the russians who are commanding this illegal invasion of ukraine. >> what do you anticipate the russian response to this is going to be? >> well, you know, boris, in the past, what they have done is amped up the number of drones and missile attacks inside of ukraine against
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various infrastructure targets hospitals, schools, energy sources. >> i think we'll see some more of that. i'm not sure how much more they could do. >> there were a couple of days last week where there were between 200 and 300 kinetic projectiles launched inside of ukraine against civilian targets. >> so once more, it's it's the illegality of what russia is doing as war crimes against the country and the citizens of ukraine avoiding the military aspect of what's going on. so ukraine is fighting back by saying, we're going to come into russia and strike military targets and leave your infrastructure alone. but they're they're going after the same kind of things that russia is doing in ukraine, except making it more adamant and more psychological to hit a couple of hundred miles from the front line between russia and ukraine. so they're taking the fight deep into russian territory to strike some of the key russian targets. >> lieutenant general mark
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