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against the 26 year old, and roughly 20 to 30 minutes. the suspect accused of gunning down the unitedhealthcare ceo nearly two weeks ago. now mangione has been fighting extradition to new york after his arrest in pennsylvania. we should note this means that a new york grand jury has voted to charge mangione with multiple charges, including murder in the first degree and murder in the second degree. >> and of course, he currently faces a second degree murder charge in new york, along with weapons and forgery charges. the 26 year old has also been charged with additional counts in pennsylvania. let's get right to cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller, trial attorney mercedes colwin. also with us on this. john, what are you learning about what bragg is going to say here? >> what we are told is that they will announce these indictments at a 330 news conference. district attorney alvin bragg, his team, new york city police commissioner jessica tisch and her team expected to announce those charges if, in fact, the indictment is for murder in the second degree, that would be

normal in a case like this. but if murder in the first degree is one of those charges, and that is multiple sources. it will be unusual because murder in the first degree in new york state requires a number of special elements. either it was the premeditated murder of a police officer, a court official, a judge, or it relates to new york state's terrorism law, which is to coerce or influence or intimidate a civilian population. and given this case and the fact that prosecutors allege that mangione was arrested with a three page document on his person saying that he was targeting the health care industry because of his perception of their greed and corruption. this could well fit into section 490 of that state terrorism law. so it will be not unique, but very interesting in terms of charging. >> yeah, that will be a fascinating aspect to hear how

alvin bragg sort of explains this decision. mercedes, i wonder when you look at the facts of the case, it seems that prosecutors believe they have enough evidence to link mangione not only to a pattern that would suggest terrorism, but to seemingly planning further attacks on executives in the health care industry. >> you're exactly right, morris. and when we first talked about this case, you mentioned murder in the first degree and said with further investigation and at that point, the manifesto had not been had not been found, there would be likely upward of charges. and that's exactly what we're taking place. in fact, if you look at the manifesto, there are specific language in there where luigi mangione talks about targeting ceos in the industry in total and where to target them, go to where their conventions are. and that specific language in the manifesto. so that's probably what was brought forth before the grand jury. alvin bragg and his prosecutors, i'm sure, went through that type of

evidence in order to establish the first degree indictment. >> and, john, if mangione doesn't waive his right to fight extradition, what comes next? >> well, that will be part of today's press conference, i am told, which they will discuss not only the charges but have an update on the status of the extradition process. now on friday, district attorney alvin bragg, in a press conference mentioned that he expected that mangione would waive extradition, meaning change his position that he was going to fight extradition and that this could take less time than the month or so that was initially predicted in this process. at the same time, cnn reported exclusively that mangione had retained karen agnifilo friedman, a major manhattan criminal attorney who is a former top prosecutor in the manhattan da's office. so one could infer the possibility

that once he obtained a new york lawyer for the new york charges, which are going to be far more serious than the pennsylvania charges that they may have conferred with his pennsylvania lawyer and said, let's drop fighting extradition. let's move along to get into the discovery process with new york prosecutors and get into the more serious charges. >> mercedes, do you anticipate that that will be the case that this fight over extradition is effectively ending soon of course, it was a head scratcher when his attorney in pennsylvania said they were going to fight extradition because considering the evidence that was found on luigi's person when he was, he was confronted by law enforcement. >> he had the manifesto, he had the ghost gun, he had the id, the identification that he used at the hostel. all key evidence that established that there was probable cause that he may be the shooter. in fact, the shooter that was being sought after. so it was such a head scratcher for those of us who are in the defense bar not

fully understanding why the attorney in pennsylvania would then stand and say and say that he was going to object to it, because it is such a routine type of hearing. we're just talking about probable cause to link the individual that's being accused of charges in another state. but frankly, we're monday, we're sort of quarterbacking here. i'm sure the attorney just did not want to make representations on behalf of the client until he secured counsel in new york. and karen friedman agnifilo is a tremendous lawyer. i'm sure that she was she was instrumental in making sure that he changed his strategy, which, frankly, would have just been a waste of time to try to object to extradition, given all the evidence that was found on his person, it would have been established and then he would have been sent to new york within a few weeks anyway, if he had fought it in a hearing. >> all right, mercedes and john, if you can stand by, we're going to go to shimon prokupecz, who is in manhattan. he's at the news conference that we're awaiting. shimon, what are you hearing?

>> yeah. >> so this news conference, as we've been reporting, should start in about 30 minutes or so. we'll have the police commissioner here, along with the manhattan district attorney's office, who are going to lay out the charges and the elements for why they brought the charges. certainly, hearing that this is a murder, one indictment is very significant. many people are asking if that would even happen in this case, because everyone was certainly expecting a murder two indictment, but a murder one is certainly something that is usually used in cases involving when officers are killed in the line of duty. there are all kinds of elements that need to be met during that kind of a charge, during that kind of an investigation and indictment. so here what's happened is it appears that they have used elements, evidence that they have collected with allegations behind why luigi mangione did this. his reasoning in his own

writing, in the notes that they were able to get from him when he was arrested, that really gave them the elements to indict him on murder in the first degree. we're going to wait to see what specific language they use. but certainly in terrorism cases, anytime someone does something as an act of terrorism that they can meet under the new york state law, they can then bring a murder one charge, specifically the terrorism charge. we were looking this up just as we were heading up here, that it needs to. there's an intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population influence policy, or affect the conduct of a unit of government by murder or assassination. and so perhaps that is the element here that investigators and that the district attorney's office, when they presented the case to the grand jury, that is perhaps the element here and the law that they use to bring this

charge, if in fact, this is a terrorism charge, it is going to be, though not unusual, it is, you know, for new york city, certainly it tends to be unprecedented. so this is going to be a very significant announcement. certainly having the murder in the first degree charge. and if there is this element of terrorism attached to it, that is going to be very significant here. it also changes how much time he could potentially face in prison. it goes from 25 years to life to now, a mandatory it would essentially be life in prison that he would face. >> yet it is a much more significant charge. shimon, please stand by. and mercedes, if you're still with us to that point, i just want to clarify this for our viewers because he's charged with first degree murder. it creates a higher burden for prosecutors to convince a jury that the acts that he committed fall under what that category outlines. but that doesn't mean that he doesn't meet the

qualifications for second degree murder and wouldn't wind up spending the rest of his life behind bars anyway. if he's found guilty. >> boris, you're exactly right, and i want to read from the manifesto, which might be the linchpin to connect luigi mangione to these terrorist type charges that he's facing. it says in the manifesto, among the writings that were recovered after his arrest in the manifesto, there was a specific passage that states as follows. what do you do? you whack the ceo at the annual parasitic bean counter convention, and that certainly is taking to exactly your point earlier on, is that he is literally inciting individuals to take on an entire industry and to go and attack the top senior leadership of those particular companies. and that's where that could have been very likely. parts of this manifesto, including that statement from his manifesto, must could have been read to the grand jury. we know the grand jury or confidential. we're not going to know what was presented before the grand

jury. it is strictly confidential, but it's likely that parts of the manifesto, including that passage i just read to you, was read to the jury to try to get that first degree murder indictment shimon, thank you so much for that, mercedes. >> thank you, john. we appreciate you as well. and we are following some more breaking news this time. it's out of madison, wisconsin, where officials just held a live press conference giving us some new details about yesterday's deadly school shooting there. the police chief says they have been trying to figure out why a 15 year old girl opened fire there at abundant life christian school, that that's their top priority. looking for a motive that it appears to be a combination of factors, but they aren't disclosing it just yet. >> the police chief also said that they're looking to verify a document being shared online that many are referring to as a manifesto, and they're looking into the 15 year old's social media. let's bring in cnn's whitney wild, who was at that press conference in madison. whitney, obviously, still a lot

of questions remain still relatively early in the investigation. take us through what else the chief said about how they're trying to piece this puzzle all together. >> well, he was reluctant to answer very many detailed questions. in fact, for the first time in this last 24 hours, he did not take questions. he had four press conferences yesterday. he took questions at all of them. he did not do that today. he said, now this moves into the investigation phase. so clearly there is much more to learn. and law enforcement is hyper aware of sensitivities surrounding that and securing this investigation as they move forward. again, as you mentioned, they're combing through the social media footprint. they're still not saying for sure where the gun came from, how that 15 year old was able to obtain it. but as you had mentioned, boris, the police chief did touch on some questions around motive. here's what he said. >> we know a document has been widely shared on social media at this time. we cannot verify

its authenticity. we have detectives working today to determine where this document originated and who actually shared it online. the process for doing that is looking at original documents that may have been taken from the suspect's home, looking at information that may be on laptops or on computer to determine if this document originated from our suspect we continue to ask the chief if there is any possibility that the parents here will be charged. >> at this point, he says that they have no indication that there will be charges, but certainly that is what he had said earlier today, but that they are keeping every possibility on the table at this point. >> brianna and boris and whitney, the chief, also made an important clarification about who called 911. we initially thought it was a second grader. it was not. >> that's right. the police chief had said last night that it was a second grader from

another classroom who had called 911. today he's clarifying that, saying it was his mistake. in fact, it was a second grade teacher who called 911 an important clarification there, boris, but it certainly does not diminish the horror of the day when you consider how many kids were there, how many kids heard those gunshots, and how many kids are still injured? >> absolutely. whitney wild live for us from madison. thank you so much. next. where did that 15 year old madison school shooter get the gun used in this shooting? the atf is helping police trace the weapon, and the agency's director is going to join us live. >> plus, the manhattan da is about to give an update on the luigi mangione case. we're going to bring that to you live as soon as it happens can't fool myself. >> it was the most exciting time in the world. >> his life has extremely joyful moments and some really difficult moments. >> you only come across an artist like luther vandross once in a lifetime. >> luther. never too much new

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thuma the lead with jake tapper today at four on cnn more breaking news into cnn. >> we've learned that luigi mangione is not going to fight extradition to new york. this comes as we learn that the 26 year old has been indicted for murder in the first degree. and as we await a news conference this hour from manhattan, da alvin bragg. we're also following new details in the deadly school shooting in madison, wisconsin. right now, as police sift through evidence, they're not only looking into why a 15 year old killer gunned down a teacher and fellow students, but also how she managed to get ahold of the weapon to do it. let's discuss with stephen dettelbach. he's the director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms and explosives as well. he was also the u.s. attorney for the northern district of ohio for seven years before that. sir, thank you so much for being with us. i forgot to mention explosives in the introduction. no small part of your work,

obviously, but we know that the atf is assisting madison police in trying to trace this weapon, a handgun that the 15 year old had. can you give us any update on the status of that? so i can't comment on that particular case. i can tell you what usually happens in these kinds of matters. we work with our state and local law enforcement partners on many, many mass casualty and many, many school shootings and other shooting incidents. and one of the things, the many things that they might ask us to do is to follow the gun is a part of the investigation. so, for instance, atf responded to butler, pennsylvania, and worked with the pennsylvania state police there and the secret service and identified the person who shot donald trump that day in under half an hour. >> we used the same tracing technique to help our colleagues in new york catch the brooklyn subway shooter to identify the person who was the the mass killer in the july 4th

parade in highland park, illinois. so this is a tool that we use where we can use crime gun intelligence, we call it, to try and follow that gun. and that can be a very important lead. >> i understand that the suspect's family is fully cooperating with the investigation. i understand you can't divulge specific details as where things stand right now. how much of that cooperating with officials is directly with the atf? and if there is a lot of involvement by the atf in interviewing the parents and et cetera. in the past, what kind of challenges have your agents faced when dealing with a situation like this where a child is committed a heinous act and the parents then have to sort of deal with the ramifications of it? >> well, look, every case, every crime, every shooting is different. and meaning that atf's role may be different. we work very closely with our federal partners and with our local partners. part of the the dna of atf is that bond with

our state and local partners and also the facts are different, right? so we were involved in the investigation in michigan, for instance, the school shooting. yeah. which, which which led to charges against the parents. that's one set of facts. but each and every one of these families and sets of facts is totally different. there's no one playbook except to follow the facts wherever they go and to try to figure out what happened quickly. >> how soon do you anticipate that information will be released to the public about the gun? >> i have absolutely no way of predicting that. again, each one of these matters is different in in in butler, pennsylvania, there was a congressional investigation going on. the shooter was dead. you know, in other cases, there's a live case that's pending before the courts, which means we're very limited. so it really it really does depend. >> director, i have two more questions for you. first, i was struck when it was announced that the suspect used a nine millimeter handgun. and perhaps

it's because i'm jaded, because we've seen so many of these shootings take place before, and often it's a larger caliber weapon. oftentimes an assault rifle does the kind of weapon give you any insight as to a potential motive? >> i don't think so. again, not talking about this case, but in general, a lot of crimes are committed with handguns. look, there's a lot of obviously law abiding gun owners out there at atf. what we spend all day with the by the way, i've led that agency for two and a half years. the people there are absolutely incredible. they're heroes. they run toward gunfire every day to protect total strangers but the kind of gun is just one part of the story, right? and so many, many, many crimes are committed with handguns. still, of course, it's the most prevalent crime gun that we see. but again, it depends so much on what access the person has. it depends on what their goal is. a multitude of

factors. >> director, this is the 83rd school shooting carried out this year. that is the highest on record since cnn has been keeping track going back to 2008, just on a human level. how does that make you feel? >> oh my gosh. as a parent, uh, you know, it makes you feel absolutely horrible. look, i mean, the when i started this job, we were just coming out of the pandemic, uh, gun crime and violent crime was at his historic spike. uh, the last two years, it has really come down. and this year, i think at the end of the year, we're going to find it. the third year, it really came down. but that should not give us comfort. tens of thousands of people in this country are still dying from firearms violence every single year. and for the families in, in, in madison all over this country, i can tell you that, of course, my prayers go out to them. atf's prayers go out. but the one thing i want them to understand is that atf, we're sending more than our prayers.

we're sending our people. we're risking our lives, and we're trying to use the most modern investigative technologies to work with our partners to catch the shooters and to stop them from shooting again, which, by the way, so many of them, once you're a shooter, most of the the evidence shows that you'll shoot again. so by interrupting the shooting cycle, identifying them with our local partners, and getting them off the streets, we can actually punish them for what they did. and hopefully prevent the next shooting. >> atf director steven dettelbach, thank you so much for the time. we appreciate you joining us. thank you. still plenty more news to come. we are awaiting an update from the manhattan da on the luigi mangione case. as we learn he is not going to fight extradition to new york. that story and more in just moments. >> used car shopping two rows, two dogs. >> i'm sold. >> whoa whoa whoa lets pause for the facts. whoa. like nearly half

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so he knows the confirmation process well. thank you for taking the time to be with us. >> well, great to be with you. >> and first off, vaccines, because that is a very big issue. and you're seeing that now on both sides of the aisle. do you have concerns about rfk jr. when it comes to vaccines? >> no, i don't, because look, he's seven years old. >> he does pull ups. you know i'm a former seal right? he obviously is doing something right. and you know i think our medical what does that have to do with vaccines? >> with all due respect. >> but you look at health care. all right. what he's focusing on some important things. how about nutrition. how about start earlier the vaccinations i'm glad he backed off your polo. your polio vaccination is a proven science. it's been around a long time. you know, our founding fathers had vaccinations. you know, the smallpox. so you look at look at ford. what i like about kennedy, though is let's shake it up. let's talk about nutrition earlier. let's talk about, you know, additives that may do harm. let's talk about the pharmaceuticals. let's talk about shaking up health

care. i want good health care. you know, some on the other side want free health care. i don't think free health care is as important as good health care. so if he shakes it up a little, i'm good with it. >> what about his position on abortion? do you have concerns about that? >> well, abortion has been been shown that it is a states rights and so on. the abortion issue, let's put it where it belongs in the states. you know, montana just went through through an election. i'm comfortable where montana is on it because i represent montana. and i think the abortion issue on the national level, i don't i don't see it. it'll appear up where where it's a threat. >> that's interesting as you mention, because montana, as you mentioned, voted to protectively enshrine it up to viability in the state constitution last month. rfk has taken some different positions, but he was certainly initially for abortion rights, access. he did commit to a three month national ban, but his campaign, while he was

running quickly backpedaled on that. do you think that rfk may actually reflect more where the country is on abortion? >> well, i think the country is is where the states are. and and i'm comfortable with that. >> you know, montana up front. >> you know, montana wasn't where i was on the issue, certainly. but it's where montana is. and each of the states has a has a different look at it, perhaps. and i think i'm good on this on this issue. i think it's important that states have that say. and we're seeing that across the country. >> we heard from senator john kennedy of louisiana on vaccines. he also told cnn he's heard concerns in his home state about kennedy's stance on genetically modified crops, which is something that can be an issue in your state as well. and rfk jr. is generally distrustful of gmos. your voting record is different on that. do you have concerns? >> i think it should be looked at and debated. you know, sometimes the science isn't

clear on these things. and again, to shake it up and say, let's look at the evidence again. let's go back to what the science says. you know, beyond politics. and let's get down to what science is. but i think the core of it is, look, america is stronger and better if we're healthier. and what promotes health. and what i really like about it is let's talk about nutrition. let's talk about physical fitness. >> back to schools, back to gmos. >> that's not where he is. like, for instance, when you were secretary of the interior, the trump administration overturned the obama era ban on gmos and wildlife refuges, where you had growers with access to leasing agricultural land. farmers often rely on gmos. lawmakers in your state were split when there was this issue being litigated in in congress, you voted for a bill to make gmo labeling optional for food companies. that is not at all where rfk jr. is, and he's going to be in charge of hhs. >> well, he's going to be in charge, but he's going to have to listen to the science that i

see on gmo. there's no nutritional difference between a gmo product, you know, but it's sometimes you look at, you know, as a secretary of interior, they were not planting corn fields on battlefields because they couldn't find organic seeds. come on let's have an adult discussion on things, and let's follow the science where it is. if a gmo product has been around a long time, and there's science that says it's safe and proven, and many of these are okay. and remember, gmo itself. i mean, the original corn out of south america was a lot different than it is today. and sometimes you can accelerate that process through science and get a better product. >> switching gears a little bit, it is the end of the year. we have so much to look forward to. the holidays, the new year, and of course spending showdown potentially. but it's looking right now. you have a deal in congress for this december 21st, spending deadline and the

speaker some conservatives feel has been ceding too much ground to democrats when it comes to getting this passed. do you share those concerns? >> well, the original deal that was presented was going to be tight on on a continuing resolution but not add policy riders. i think he's walking a very careful line on making sure we don't include those policy riders that either side would object to. i personally disagree with the cr, but you disagree with it. >> but you have house republicans opposed and raising the specter of i'm so sorry to interrupt, but we actually have to go to new york because there is a press conference on the luigi mangione case. here is da alvin bragg

good afternoon. >> i'm alvin bragg. manhattan district attorney. i'm honored and privileged to be joined by police commissioner jessica tisch. first and foremost, i want to extend my deepest condolences to mr. thompson's loved ones and colleagues. his family deserves our respect as they continue to grieve our work will never be able to undo the fact that a life was lost. we are here to announce that luigi mangione, the defendant, is charged with one count of murder in the first degree and two counts of murder in the second degree, including one count of murder in the second degree. as an act of terrorism for the brazen, targeted and premeditated shooting of brian thompson, who, as you know, was the ceo of unitedhealthcare.

this case was made possible by the collaborative efforts of the phenomenal public servants you see before you today, and so many others who are not here. um, i'm honored to lead the manhattan district attorney's office and privileged to serve alongside assistant district attorneys joel seidman, kristin bailey, and zachary kaplan, who were working from the outset. hand in hand with the greatest police department in the world. uh, the chief of our trial division, lisa del pizzo, and the deputy chief, chris prevost, provided sage oversight and direction. and i want to acknowledge our high technology analysts and analysis unit. there was a lot to be processed here. steve moran in particular, who heads that and marko popovic, uh, we are privileged here at the da's office to work every day with the phenomenal public servants at the nypd. it has

been a distinct pleasure to work. besides commissioner tish and exemplary partner and chief of detectives joseph kenney. almost every day we're in touch, and his leadership is second to none. and then deputy commissioner rebecca weiner, who, as i tell her, there are a lot of challenging things happening in the world. and i sleep better at night knowing that she is the deputy commissioner in charge of terrorism. uh, the detectives on this out doing the courageous frontline work. um, detective oscar diaz, detective curcio, uh, exemplary, exemplary. the finest. it wasn't just those of us here in new york. i want to acknowledge the great work of our partners in altoona. the altoona police department, the blair county district attorney's office, the governors of new york and pennsylvania, the fbi, and, of course, the brave members of the public who answered the

call when our great commissioner put out the call for their assistance. this was a frightening, well-planned, targeted murder that was intended to cause shock and attention and intimidation. it occurred in one of the most bustling parts of our city, threatening the safety of local residents and tourists alike. commuters and business people just starting out on their day. let me say a bit more about the charges. they include one count of murder in the first degree as a killing in furtherance of terrorism. two counts of murder in the second degree. one charge in the killing was done as an act of terrorism. and the second pertaining to the fact that the killing was intentional. the maximum penalty possible for murder in the first degree and murder in the second degree as an act of terrorism is life without parole. the maximum penalty for murder in the second degree is

25 years to life. there are additional counts as well. uh, a number of criminal possession of weapons charges. two counts in the second degree. four counts in the third degree, one count in the fourth degree and a count of criminal possession of a forged instrument in the second degree. let me tell you a bit about the facts. on november 24th, we allege that the defendant arrived in new york city to murder brian thompson after the defendant arrived in new york city on a bus at port authority. he checked into the hostel on the upper west side using the name marc rosario, with a fake new jersey id. on the morning of december 4th, the defendant left the hospital hostel. excuse me. just after 5:30 a.m. and traveled to midtown for nearly an hour. we allege the defendant waited in the area near the hilton hotel waiting for mr. thompson to appear from

6:38 a.m. to 6:44 a.m., the defendant stood across from the entrance of the hotel on west 54th street when he saw mr. thompson, he crossed the street and approached him from behind. we allege he then took out a nine millimeter 3-d printed ghost gun equipped with a 3-d printed suppressor, and shot him once in the back and once in the leg. the defendant then fled northeast on 54th street and took an e-bike uptown, before getting into a taxi that took him to west 178th street and amsterdam avenue on december 9th, the defendant was spotted at a mcdonald's in altoona, pennsylvania. the local police were notified he was arrested and he was found with a nine millimeter handgun, a suppressor, and two ammunition magazines, and the same fake new jersey id he used at the hostel. i want to say a word about ghost guns. these weapons are increasingly

proliferating throughout new york city and the entire country. involving technology will only make this problem worse. last year, over 80 ghost guns and ghost gun parts were recovered in manhattan alone. the nypd and the manhattan da's office have been leading in the interdiction of these ghost guns. and one thing i want to make clear, they are unserialized. they can be printed out. but in this case, tragically made clear, they are just as deadly as traditional firearms. this will remain a priority for us here in manhattan. finally, i know there have been questions about the extradition process. the latest that i can offer you is that the defendant is currently scheduled to appear in court in pennsylvania on thursday morning, first for a preliminary hearing on his pennsylvania charges. immediately to follow. that will be an extradition hearing. we have indications that the

defendant may waive that hearing, in which case he brought to new york forthwith. in any event, we have been preparing on parallel paths and before the hearing will send to the governor of the state of new york the paperwork that would be necessary if he does not waive during that that hearing i now want to want to turn over to our great commissioner. and when i do so, i want to thank her for her partnership not only on this matter, but on all we do every day together. thank you. >> good afternoon everyone. the unsealing of today's indictment brings us one step closer to securing justice for brian thompson and his family, and affirming the primacy of the rule of law in the city of new york. and nypd detectives worked tirelessly to piece this case together. and along the

way, the manhattan da's office made sure we had every legal tool available to us, whether quickly providing subpoenas to assist with our evidence collection or traveling with us to altoona, pennsylvania. last week, after the apprehension. our partnership made this a successful investigation. so i'd like to thank district attorney bragg and his team for their work in bringing this case forward. part of that work included the relentless collection and analysis of surveillance video by our detectives, which ultimately produced a clear image of our suspect. that image was shared far and wide through the media, and thanks to an observant mcdonald's customer and the employee who alerted the police, mr. mangione was quickly brought into custody. this outcome is why we always emphasize the critical role of the public in our public safety mission. so again, i want to thank everyone who saw something, said something, and

did something. that is why we have a suspect in custody today. as d.a. bragg said, luigi mangione is now formally charged and indicted for murder. and let me be perfectly clear. in the nearly two weeks since mr. thompson's killing, we have seen a shocking and appalling celebration of cold blooded murder. social media has erupted with praise for this cowardly attack. people ghoulishly plastered posters threatening the ceos, other ceos with an x over mr. thompson's picture as though he was some sort of a sick trophy and yesterday, sorry. yesterday, the new york post reported that some extreme activists were circulating a deck of cards with other most wanted ceos to be targeted for assassination. these are the threats of a lawless, violent

mob who would trade in their own vigilantism for the rule of law that protects us all. let me say this plainly there is no heroism in what mangione did. this was a senseless act of violence. it was a cold and calculated crime that stole a life and put new yorkers at risk. we don't celebrate murders, and we don't lionize the killing of anyone and any attempt to rationalize this is a vile, reckless, and offensive to our deeply held principles of justice. now, as we await the extradition process in pennsylvania to complete, we continue our public safety work here at home. that includes our focus on the growing threat of ghost guns, one of which was used in this attack. the nypd remains committed to tracking down and removing these untraceable weapons from our streets, and we will do that work hand in hand with district attorney bragg here in

manhattan and in every other borough, to ensure that those who possess, distribute, and use these weapons are held fully accountable. finally, i want to again thank every member of the nypd uniform and civilian working on this case, led, of course, by our great chief kenney. whether in midtown north squad, homicide, crime scene, unit, intelligence bureau, and everywhere else. all of you contributed to today's indictment, and you've brought the thompson family one step closer to justice in this case. thank you we're going to take questions shayna elaborating on the. >> what sure. >> so, you know, in its most basic terms, this was a killing

that was intended to evoke terror. and we've seen that reaction. um, you know, the statutory elements we can go into, but it's most basic term. that's what this is. this was not an ordinary killing. not to suggest that any killing is ordinary, but this was extraordinary. and, uh, the new york state legislature has, you know, set out, um, you know, both the paths that we talk about, both the murder one and murder two. um, and this we allege is certainly with squarely within those statutes which talk about, uh, intending to do exactly what we saw happen here. anthony chief kenney could get into this, but i'm wondering sort of the timeline between december 6th when the fbi was notified by the san francisco police. >> about this missing person

that was called in from his mother to the time that they contacted you about this. >> were you aware of this when he was arrested? and was this something that will still being processed at the time? >> and so the original missing report took place back in november 18th in san francisco. >> the sergeant that was involved in that case reached out to the san francisco field office and said, hey, basically i'm working on a missing case. i saw a photograph that was distributed by the nypd that bears a resemblance. that tip was forwarded to us close to 45 hours after the incident took place. it, uh, it showed up to a tfo, which is a task force officer. we have nypd officers embedded with the fbi. they received that tip. it was one of four tips that they received that day, and they were vetting it. part of that vetting process was that they reached

out to mangione mother in san francisco very late on the seventh. they had a conversation where she didn't indicate that it was her son in the photograph, but she said it might be something that she could see him doing. so that information was was going to be passed along to the detectives the next morning. but fortunately we apprehended him before we could act on that um, the commissioner has talked about how the defendant's been lionized and celebrated. >> i'm wondering how concerned you are about a potential jury knowing that someone on that jury would be someone that would lionize and celebrate it. >> well, i want to echo the commissioner's words and concerns, which i think were put forth beautifully. i mean, we we we see a lot in these jobs. i meet with the families of homicide victims, and i just can't wrap my head around the notion that someone is celebrating this. to your

specific question. you know, we're at the beginning of a litigation now with our charge. we have a phenomenal trial team in place, uh, led by ada, uh, joel seidman, who is, you know, been in this office for more than 40 years and handled, uh, some very challenging matters. we have voir dire process in place. uh, i have faith in our jury system to select 12 people who can be fair and impartial, but, uh, we'll move forward, and that's something well down the road. but we'll be ready when that time comes two questions. >> one will be about mr. thompson's family. but the first i want just maybe, to explain more to viewers how you come to the conclusion that this is an act of terrorism. i think that's an important part of this. um, and so i'm hoping maybe you can explain that a little more. just sort of define maybe the statue here a little bit. sure. >> and my point, i mean, the statute talks about, uh, attempts to influence or coerce

a civilian population. the statute talks about, uh, intending to influence a policy of government. um, and it talks about, um, seeking to, you know, put forth things sort of similar to that by murder. so, um, the statute, the plain language of the statute is clear. obviously, we've charged it. the grand jury has voted on it, and we intend to go forward and and prove it. but i think it does help to take a step back, um, and think about the the proof in the case, some of the writings. um, i'm not going to get into too much of that, but, uh, and the actual reaction, uh, you know, in the middle of midtown, the beginning of a busy day, tourists, commuters, business people, uh, the intent was to sow terror just on mr. thompson's family. >> um, you know, sadly, as you

say, not a lot of focus has been given to mr. thompson or his family. and i'm wondering if the victim services folks or any of the folks in your office have been talking to them and what that's been like. and if there's anything you can say about that. >> i'm not going to talk about communications with the family other than to say that we have a robust survivor services staff here. that is second to none, but i would not talk about communications with any family. i don't think it would be appropriate, but i appreciate your concern. >> well, it's just because, like you're saying, there's been so much focus on the suspect here and, you know, it's quite different than what we normally see. >> i echo what the commissioner said, and i the sentiment of your question, my heart goes out to it. i mean, this is a significant piece of what we do here is we center the trauma of survivors and victims and their families. significant piece of what i do is sit across the table and look people in the eye and when appropriate, if

they want to offer a hug. and we have, uh. dedicated advocates and counselors and, uh, great staff that focuses on that. so i agree completely with you, and i wish i wish that that's where the public's focus was exclusively. that's where it should be. um, that's where it is here. in addition to, obviously, the facts and the law and the case. um, but because of respect for your questions coming from, i'm not going to get into communications. um. um. >> given the. celebration of the yurok tribe uh. you know yes, absolutely. >> and we've seen a real increase, sustained increase since december 4th in concern, not just from ceos, but from

corporations broadly. and so going back to the da's point, you know, the intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, which is, of course, at the root of our state terrorism statute, is very much borne out in this reaction and for good reason. we've had a torrent of online threats. we've had real world activity that the police commissioner flagged, which is abhorrent, and it causes concern. so we have done a lot to work with corporate security partners with whom we partner on a daily basis in this city, at the city level, at the state level, trying to make sure that everybody has the best practices that they need, that they know where to flag, not just general ambient concerns, but specific threats that they might be receiving that a few weeks ago, they might have written off as just noise in the online environment that they now take seriously. so these are ongoing conversations that we have. and thanks to all

the work that we do together every day, we're quite confident that concerns and threats are going to be appropriately directed our way. we're going to take two more. >> um, do you could you describe just how rare it is for your office to be charged with first degree murder? there has been some talk about very specific cases in the. and also, if you could speak to the statements made on the record by the suspect that. >> informed his timeline, in particular, if he's made any specific statements incriminating statements that happened. >> so i'll address the first piece, the first degree murder statute has a number of subsections. they're sort of clearly delineated, and they are reserved for, you know, the most uh abhorrent conduct killing a police officer, serial killing. and the terrorism is one subsection of that. and so i would say, fortunately, that's not

happening a lot. uh, taking a step back, i don't i can't think of another office that is more equipped to handle a terrorism charge. we have a great terrorism unit. we were at the forefront of getting the statute passed within the last two years. we've tried to very significant terrorism cases, one involving an english speaking operative based in jamaica, uh, and another involving someone who was here, uh, and funding overseas terrorism by cryptocurrency. so we have the expertise and as i mentioned, the the expertise on this team. and so we're prepared to go forward. i'm not going to go beyond what's what's in the filing. all right. >> last question, laura. are you able to. >> say now i know this will be

seeking the maximum sentence. >> so as a matter of practice, i don't talk about sentencing outside of court as a first matter and certainly not at the initial stages of a matter. but i think you can tell the seriousness with which we take this matter, by the way, in which it's charged. um, the murder in the second degree actually has a mandatory life without parole sentence. no discretion for the judge, um, at all. so that's the maximum there. but i'm not going to go beyond that. we will first get the defendant to new york. uh, we will have him arraigned. uh, we will be before our judge. we will engage in pretrial litigation. if there's a trial, we're ably equipped to do that. and then we will proceed to sentencing, at which point we'll make our arguments in court. thank you all so much thank you sir. i was taking your book.

>> so welcome to the lead. >> i'm jake tapper, and we're going to start with breaking news on two fronts in a moment. the latest details on that horrific school shooting in madison, wisconsin. >> but first, the major announcement we just heard from prosecutors in new york and the murder of unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson moments ago, the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg, announced that the suspect, luigi mangione, will be charged with multiple counts of murder. >> prosecutors say it was mangione who shot and killed brian thompson outside the hilton hotel in manhattan nearly two weeks ago. he led police on a six day manhunt. various surveillance cameras capturing mangione movements. >> police arrested him monday of last week after a tip from a mcdonald's employee in altoona, pa. detectives say mangione had a 3-d printed gun in his possession at the time of an arrest, and since then, he's been behind bars in pennsylvania. but even before today's murder charges, an extradition hearing was set to take place tomorrow in mangione new high profile new york lawyer karen friedman agnifilo tells cnn that mangione will not fight extradition. but let's bring in our expert,

cnn's john miller, the former deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism of the new york police department, and stacy schneider, a criminal defense trial attorney, and john miller. let's start with these charges now. first degree murder. and also murder, including terrorism charges. tell us about that. >> well, first degree murder, as the district attorney pointed out, is a rarely used charge. and what is interesting is that today, as the grand jury was sitting there in secret voting to hand up these indictments, governor kathy hochul was running a conference call with the heads of health care companies and other ceos and police officials talking about their safety. but we'll get back to that. as far as the charge goes, the first degree murder charge requires it to be the murder of a police officer, of a judge or a court officer of a of a parole officer. uh, it's an attack against the system. but there is one other attachment to 495 of the new