years comment i think. look, we have to note that the kremlin continues to refute claims that were published in bob woodward's latest book, that trump held a number of conversations with putin after leaving office. the kremlin continues to deny that. and i think, look, they're not giving a lot of way that a lot of way that may be a reflection of the uncertainty that is still there in moscow over exactly how trump's ukraine policy will play out, even as we know they have welcomed some of the commentary coming from the president elect, including comments over the weekend that he thought it was a mistake to give ukraine permission to use atacms missiles on russian soil. we also heard from putin that he's willing to compromise, he said on ukraine. but he didn't say how so? not a lot coming out, but a lot of projections of strength from putin. again, i think a reflection of that uncertainty. don. >> all right. clare sebastian, thank you very much. we got a lot of developing stories. we're watching a new hour of cnn news central starts now

just moments ago. >> luigi mangione arrived at a pennsylvania courthouse where he has back to back hearings this morning. new york prosecutors eager for the judge to clear the way to extradite him back to new york to face first-degree murder charges in the killing of the unitedhealthcare ceo. we will take you there live. plus, tis the season of giving and trump just handed republicans a slap, handing them back their government funding deal will have the latest on where negotiations stand before friday's midnight deadline, and officials are all abuzz after announcing the dreaded murder. hornets are wiped out of the u.s. i'm sara sidner with john berman and kate baldwin. this is cnn news central. >> all right. happening now. we've got our eyes on

pennsylvania because just a few minutes ago, accused killer luigi mangione arrived in court there. he's got back to back hearings. interesting. he walked in there without incident. very different than last time when there was that outburst. it was a much more subdued mangione walking in. this time he is expected to waive his right to extradition, meaning as soon as next hour he could be on his way here to new york city. let's get right to danny freeman, who is in line outside the court waiting to go in to watch these hearings bring us up to speed. danny yeah, you bet. >> john. well, first, i'll let you know that news. and you saw that tape. you just played it. luigi mangione has arrived here at the blair county courthouse for these two hearings. first, that one on those pennsylvania charges and then that all important extradition hearing to follow. and i'll just spend

a little bit of time with that video. i know it's a short clip right there, john, but you see, luigi mangione again being escorted into the courthouse in an orange jumpsuit, once again clean shaven. notably, in contrast to the last time we saw him outside of the courthouse. and like you also noted, john no large outbursts, unlike the last time we saw him in the back of this courthouse just a week ago. now, when it comes to what we're expecting to see first out here and then inside, i'll just tell you, john, a ton of media presence out here, a ton of law enforcement presence out here as well. a lot of the roads are closed off in this area of the courthouse. and there's also a lot of people just out here holding signs, a lot of free luigi type aspects. so this is clearly a lot more attention perhaps, than this little street in hollidaysburg normally gets on an average thursday morning. but let's talk about what we're going to see inside of the courtroom in, like you said, just a matter of minutes. there are two hearings this morning, the first one coming up at 830. like i said, that's a preliminary hearing

for the pennsylvania charges to remind the audience. those are two felonies, including a gun charge and then three misdemeanors. those stem from when mangione was picked up at that altoona mcdonald's, not too far from where we're standing right now. but then there's that bigger extradition hearing coming up around 9 a.m., likely just following immediately after the preliminary hearing is finished. um, that hearing is still on as of now, but mangione new defense attorney told cnn's kara scannell that mangione is not expected to fight extradition. so, as you noted, john, that means he could be on his way back to new york as early as potentially this morning or potentially this afternoon as well. meanwhile, john, i want to just update your viewers on a few of the things that we learned when it comes to the interaction the outside world has tried to have with mangione since he's been behind bars here in pennsylvania. we reported to you yesterday that he had received a few dozen emails. six letters. well, i got a new update from the department of corrections yesterday

afternoon. we learned that as of yesterday afternoon, he's received 40 emails and 53 pieces of mail since he'd been behind bars. he also has 158 deposits into his prison commissary that has been available to him, but notably john. he has not had any visitors except for his attorneys. that's at least as of last evening. but what's interesting, john, is that we did learn last night again from cnn's kara scannell, that the mangione family, they're actually the ones who hired that high powered defense attorney who is planning on representing him when it comes to those, again, more serious new york charges. so a lot of interesting dynamics at play here. clearly a lot of attention on this case outside of this courthouse today. but the main thing, john, is that in maybe an hour, maybe a little bit more, this particular chapter of the mangione case here in pennsylvania may be coming to a close. john. >> the next one just beginning. again, a lot of developments unfolding right where you are. danny freeman. we'll come back to you in a little bit. thank

you very much for your reporting, kate. >> so joining us right now to talk more about this is cnn senior legal analyst elie honig and cnn's senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. thanks, guys, for being here. elie, let's just first work through the extradition piece. he's not going to fight it legally, procedurally. what does this then kick off? well, this speeds things up significantly. >> what extradition means, by the way, is if a person is wanted in one state here in new york but captured in another state, pennsylvania, it's just the process of handing that person over back to the state that wants him. he's actually charged in both states, pennsylvania and new york. but the murder charge is in new york. if in fact, he waives meaning, gives up his right to fight extradition, then he becomes the property, so to speak, of the new york authorities. and they can theoretically today take him out of that courthouse and drive him from altoona to new york city. he could be here in manhattan within takes five hours to get here. he could certainly be here by the end of the business day today. if things go as we expect and then like logistically, andy, when he gets here, what happens?

>> sure. so he'd likely be taken to the prosecutor's office to be processed. >> there's certain information they need to get from him in the in the arrest process, as if he were as if he had been arrested today on the streets in manhattan. there's like biographical information, things like that. >> and then typically, if you're arrested in manhattan, you're taken to a place referred to as the tombs. >> it's the jail intake that's in the courthouse building. >> so he would probably be held there for some period of time if they expect to present him on friday, which would be the moment of his arraignment. he might stay there overnight, or they'll take him to rikers island for a longer term hold until his trial. and as the proceedings go on. so he'll end up staying at rikers island with every other inmate in new york city that's awaiting some sort of trial or legal proceeding. >> and on top of the 11 count indictment, the state charges that he's facing here in new

york, we now, kara scannell has sources telling her that he is expected to face federal charges. and his new york attorney, karen friedman agnifilo, put out a statement on this, and i'll read this for everybody. again, the federal government's reported decision to pile on top of an already overcharged first degree murder in state terror case is highly unusual and raises serious constitutional and statutory double jeopardy concerns. we are ready to fight these charges in whatever court they are brought. what would these charges likely be? well, so it's an interesting development, first of all, to karen, who we both know, of course, karen's statement there, there's not going to be a double jeopardy concern here. >> i know it would seem to a normal person. well, you're charging the state and federally for the same crime. the supreme court actually took this exact question on just a few years ago and said, it's okay. it's not it's not recommended, but it's okay to have the feds and the state charge the same person with the same crime. they're separate sovereigns in the terminology. now, what could the federal charge be? it's important to know not every murder is federal. in fact, most murders are not federal. you need some sort of what we would call

federal jurisdictional hook. and here i think that hook could be the fact that he traveled in interstate commerce. or he came into new york across state lines in order to commit this murder. so that's what i would expect if there are federal charges, as we're hearing, i'd expect him to be that. >> and andy, there are also there's also some talk that the state charge of first degree murder leaning on the terrorism allegation that it may be hard to win or may be an overreach of sorts. what do you see there in terms of the evidence that we know publicly has been gathered so far that could speak to or they would need to lean on to prove that terrorism charge? >> so i think the state has a fair and articulable claim to this charge, even though it is a pretty extreme charge. it's the most serious murder you can be charged with in new york. and as we've said, in most cases, when it's charged, it's because there's been a murder of a first responder or police officer or something like that. but there is a provision in the charge, uh, to allow it to go forward to someone who's been accused of terrorism. terrorism is, of course, defined as a crime or a

murder, violent crime that's intended to coerce or intimidate a population. so in this case, what the state will argue, argue is that from his own writing, the writing they seized from him when he was arrested, he indicated a desire to do this crime as sending a message to this community of parasites as he referred to them, who the state, i'm sure would say is likely a reference to other people in the health insurance industry. he then commits the murder, and the murder has the effect, has the effect rather of intimidating or frightening a population. that being the corporate world that has responded to this murder and the publicity around it in a very distinct way, corporations are desperately seeking security arrangements to protect their ceos and other people. so there's a logical, factual pattern there to establish the terrorism charge. on the other hand, the defense will come in and say, this is an overcharge. it's it's this

is not a terrorist. the resulting fear and intimidation across corporate america was just a unforeseeable result. that was not something that he ever intended to do. so it will certainly be a fight. but in either case, that very high charge provides a lot of room for the prosecutors to negotiate a plea bargain, because it's a charge that they could essentially walk away from in return for his, let's say, guilty plea to second degree murder or something along those lines. so it actually gives them, i think, more freedom of movement in terms of plea negotiations, something he's definitely not going to have for quite some time as freedom of movement, that's for sure. >> and this is all starting in about 20 minutes from now at 830. we're going to be covering this. everything that plays out in court. and then what the extradition from there altogether, ali is going to stick around with us and we'll have him back. thanks guys. really appreciate it. sara. >> all right. new this morning. police in wisconsin now investigating if the 15 year old madison school shooter was coordinating with a man in california accused of planning

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>> we are also learning more about 14 year old ruby vergara john. her family says that she is saying she played keyboard in a family band. she had tremendous artistic promise and this family now trying to look for ways to heal as they plan for her memorial services this saturday. john, a final note on the investigation here in wisconsin, law enforcement says that, as you mentioned, it was two firearms that natalie rupnow had on her at this school shooting. federal law enforcement has traced those firearms. they've provided that information to the the madison police department. but mpd has not told us or not told the public who those guns belonged to or how she got them. >> john, such a devastating loss there. whitney wild, thank you for your reporting. kate. >> happening right now. luigi mangione is in court to face gun charges and also extradition proceedings in pennsylvania. all having to do with the murder of

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saw luigi mangione arrive to court a short time ago. less eventful than the first time that he showed up to that courtroom. the first hearing is about to begin or will begin. be beginning any moment. this has to do with some of the local charges that he is facing in pennsylvania. and then you see right there, 9 a.m. is the extradition hearing. that is what is up next, and that is what everyone is waiting for in terms of the moment, as it could be significant into what happens next and how quickly back with us now as we're going to be getting more information coming from inside the courtroom to bring it to you. elie honig back here with us, as well as cnn's brynn gingras. and you were one of the first people on the ground when we started learning the details of this shooting taking place. >> how far we've come, how far we've come. >> brittany. exactly. >> yeah. >> so we're waiting for that. >> really. >> the judge swap that's going to happen between the 830 hearing and then the 9:00 hearing, they're all going to stay in that same courtroom. danny freeman is reporting he's inside the courtroom. can actually give comms right now. so we really don't know what's going on exactly at this moment. but we certainly

know those hearings are expected to begin. so like kate said, they're going to start with those charges in pennsylvania. then they're going to move to this extradition hearing. we're hearing from his attorney that he's going to waive his extradition. and then the process begins of him being in custody of the nypd. now, we're still trying to fine tune how he's actually going to get to new york. is he going to go by helicopter? are they going to drive him? we're not quite sure about that yet, but certainly going to be here by the end of day today. and that is when he's going to face those charges. those 11 charges that were unsealed just two days ago here in new york. unclear. ali might know more about when he might be in front of a judge on those charges, but another part of this is now we're hearing from canal that he's going to face federal charges. so it's unclear also when we might hear the unsealing of those charges. so of course, once he gets here, we know that he has to be booked. he'll be brought to 100 center, which is the main courthouse, if you remember where trump had his trial. so people are probably familiar with it. he's got to get fingerprinted. they'll take a photo. we won't see that photo because they never released those here in new york. but then that whole process starts. >> all right, speaking of the

process, ali, to you, if he says yes, i am going to waive this extradition, i am ready to go to new york. how quickly could he be in front of a judge in new york? >> could be theoretically later today. could definitely be tomorrow. i mean, as brian pointed out, this is accelerating very quickly now that it seems he's going to waive give up his rights to fight extradition, what will happen today? first, he'll be formally arraigned on the pennsylvania charges, which are the gun charges and the false id charges. the judge will say these are the charges against you. do you understand them? yes. he may plead not guilty, but those charges are going to be back. burnered while he comes here to face the much more serious new york charges. and it's really interesting now it looks like, given the reporting that brian just referenced, he's going to be facing two separate sets of charges across the street from each other in new york, the one we already know about is the first and second degree state level charges, which he will be presented on in all likelihood. first, that could be again. that could be tonight. that could be tomorrow. and then if this reporting comes true, he will simultaneously be facing a

variation of a federal murder charge in all likelihood, same courthouses 40ft away. it's right across the street. but both of those murder prosecutions could be unfolding more or less parallel to one another. >> so this is all happening as we speak there behind closed doors at that courthouse you're looking at right now. there is a courtroom. we think the hearing has begun, or at least it was scheduled to begin by now. the first of two. there are many things we've been looking for today questions answered, one of which has already been answered. as we saw the video of luigi mangione entering the courthouse earlier this time, there was no outburst. it was a much more subdued defendant in this case. walking into that court. and the reason i bring that up is because one of the questions i've had is how this will now all change, now that there is a high profile lawyer, karen friedman agnifilo, whom we all know, who is who has done some work here at cnn representing luigi mangione. that was the footage of him walking in a few weeks ago, before he had

lawyered up. also interesting. ali, it's the family, his family who is who brought in agnifilo, right. and the family hasn't visited him yet. but what are you looking for in this dynamic? >> okay, so first of all, i promise you. karen friedman agnifilo got to him and said, shut your mouth. no more outbursts, no more of that stuff you did the other day. and there's a couple reasons for that. number one, those outbursts can be used against him at trial. that video of him going in that you just showed john, that can be played if it's relevant to prove his motive or something along those lines. the other thing is, ultimately, if he gets convicted, if he takes a plea, if he gets convicted by a jury, the judge will be sentencing him and there will be some wiggle room, maybe, depending on how the conviction comes down, for the judge to think about things like, is this person remorseful? has this person accepted responsibility? that's way down the line. but generally you want your client, if you're a defense lawyer, to be on good behavior. so i assure you, we know karen has visited and spoken with her client. i promise you, she's a good defense lawyer. she told him, keep it quiet for now.

>> yeah, i can't imagine his family is there. it's a media circus there. >> i mean, this is now in two states. >> so there's media from both states present at this hearing. and then it's only going to get worse when it comes to new york. so we'll be it will be, i think to your point, be interesting to see if any family does come to represent him, as we have found from kara scannell's reporting that they did hire her, who for a reason, she's a good lawyer, as we all know. >> well, she's also a veteran of the state office. we talked about the state federal. right. so karen worked at the manhattan da's office, which is the state level office alvin bragg the da. we're well familiar from various prior cases where he faces first degree murder charges. karen was the number two person in that office for many years before alvin bragg arrived there. and then across the street, the feds. that's where i used to work. i was not number two, but but but that's the sort of dual sovereigns that we're looking at. to use the legal terminology we just told from the voices in our head that the that mangione is in the courtroom, the doors are now closed. >> so things are going to be getting under way. one aspect you guys can brennan and ellie, you can speak to this next from

two different angles, which is there is talk of when you're talking about the state charges. some concern from experts that this first degree rare murder charge with leaning on a terrorism designation is an overreach, could be a real challenge to prove. and this speaks to all the evidence that was gathered. but also, what do you think of that assessment? >> yeah. so i think challenge is accurate. i do not agree that it's an overreach. i actually think it's a supported charge important to people understand the way the new york state level charges are currently structured. and i see we have that full screen up. so let's think of it this way. an intentional murder in the state of new york is a second degree murder. if it was done intentionally and there's no excuse for it. second degree murder, 15 year minimum penalty could be as long as life with parole. on top of that, what they've now charged the manhattan prosecutors is a first degree in order to bump it up from second degree to first degree, you have to show some special factor. could be, for example, that the victim was a judge, that the victim

was a cop, that the victim was a witness. could be that the murder involved torture. just to give you a sense of what some of the statutory provisions are, the one they're pointing to here is the terrorism enhancement, which means it was intended to cause general public to be fearful, to feel coerced, or to influence policy, presumably relating to health care. but it's important to understand prosecutors will have both those charges. so if and when there comes a day where there's a jury trial, the jury will be asked first, how do you find on the higher first degree charge, even if they reject that and say we don't find first degree, they can still then find the second degree intentional murder. so you're building in a fallback position for yourself as prosecutors. >> i mean, if there are federal charges on co2, we were talking about this. >> i mean, this could really raise the game a bit because it's possible then he could be eligible for the death penalty. >> so. right, i mean, so this brings a whole different sort of side to it. >> so new york state does not have the death penalty. there is a federal death penalty, but it's up to the justice department whether you want to seek it. and this actually this

is very timely because it depends on whose administration it is. during the first trump administration, he and bill barr actively sought and imposed the death penalty. i think 13 times they actually executed people. biden, when he ran for office, said, i'm abolishing it now. he hasn't followed through on that. he's actually sought the death penalty in the pittsburgh synagogue shooting case and the buffalo supermarket shooting case. now, when trump takes over in three weeks, four weeks, it will be his doj. they may well be more aggressive than the current biden. doj would be about asking for the death penalty, but that's a decision to be made. >> i want to ask you about the federal case. i do want to mention that the judge has just taken the bench. so this is this is rolling now. the game is on. and the first thing they're looking at are those pennsylvania charges. and then they'll move on to the extradition. but about the federal, the the potential federal case, um, you know, his attorney, karen agnifilo, is basically saying, look, this is just piling on on top of

already. she calls it overcharged first degree murder and state terror case. it's just highly unusual. and it raises some serious constitutional and statutory concerns about double jeopardy. when you look at that. i mean, can they do this at the same time? and is it piling on? >> so yes, they can do this, but but it's a fair point that it is what i think a normal person would consider piling on without rendering judgment about whether it's a good or bad idea. it is rare to see the feds and the state charge one person with the same crime at the same time. you can do this. there was a 2019 supreme court decision that took this exact question on, can you have federal prosecutors at the justice department and state prosecutors charging the same thing at the same time? the answer from the supreme court was yes, but important to know. >> but you already said that the pennsylvania charges now go in the back burner. so then does it go like that? then the federal charges, then take precedent when that comes, and then the state charges and then the you know what i mean? >> yeah, i do. so the pennsylvania charges are just the gun, not murder, just the gun and the id there's so much less serious. they're definitely going to be back burner may ultimately even be

dismissed. i mean, if he gets convicted of murder, who cares about a fake id charge? um, separately, though, there will be, it appears two separate murder cases unfolding against luigi mangione one state, one federal, more or less simultaneously parallel. obviously, he can't be tried at the same time, but look for both of those cases to be proceeding through the processes more or less at the same time. and i should say it is a long standing prosecutorial principle. certainly it's in writing at doj that if a defendant is already charged with a certain set of conduct in a state court, we don't pile on federally unless unless there's specific important circumstances. one recent example, derek chauvin, who was charged with the murder of george floyd, was charged state and federal both. >> there's a public messaging issue here, too, which is if this defendant is being lionized or treated as a hero by some people, you have state officials and federal officials who want to make clear that for public safety, they maybe want to charge it a certain way to make it clear that he's not. listen, everyone stick around.

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mike johnson getting a taste of what a speakership under president elect trump will look like. also, maybe a speakership under elon musk. that is, if speaker johnson can keep his job because it's very much up in the air right now. elon musk led a twitter rebellion that helped kill a deal that speaker johnson had made to keep the government operating and funding. politico put it best speaker mike johnson finds himself mired in a total s storm, rhymes with spit storm facing down the threat of a government shutdown and demands from an incoming president that he cannot easily deliver on. with us now is senator dick durbin of illinois. he is the chair of the senate judiciary committee, the senate majority whip. the waning days of the senate majority for democrats. senator, thank you very much for being with us. as you stand there this morning, what's the status of this deal now? non deal. >> i wish i knew i could just tell you that for months we've been trying to craft a

bipartisan compromise to avoid a government shutdown and to fund some critical areas of government spending. >> we had an agreement. of course, you just described accurately what happened to it last night. i hope the agreement moves forward. it was a good way to make sure that we don't face a financial disaster in this country. >> this was an agreement forged by the republican house speaker, mike johnson, a deal he made with democrats. now that president elect trump and elon musk have pulled the rug out from under him, do you think democrats should go back to the table and renegotiate? >> well, i think we have an agreement. there's no reason to renegotiate it. and it takes democrats. it takes a bipartisan approach to solve this problem. that's the reality. it isn't, though. speaker johnson can just issue some sort of proclamation. he needs the votes to pass it on the floor of the house of representatives. and we do in the senate. we carefully crafted a bipartisan

compromise. we ought to move forward with it. >> are you saying that deal or no deal? >> well, at this point, there is no other deal. and this compromise is bipartisan compromise, i think was sensible. there are elements in here that are absolutely essential that go beyond a simple continuing resolution. disaster assistance is one of them, and it's a bipartisan request from across the country, from hawaii all the way through north carolina and florida, where devastating natural disasters have really cost the local economy in a terrible way. so we're moving forward to do the responsible thing, to rebuild the bridge in baltimore, for example. and that has to be included in this agreement. it is and should be. >> we've heard from some republicans this morning in some who support what elon musk and president elect trump are doing, saying there was there was stuff in that deal we just can't accept it was it was a bad deal. that's not what the american people want.

>> a compromise will always include elements that you personally don't endorse. that's the nature of a compromise. give and take. and the reality of this situation is we reached that bipartisan compromise. we should have moved forward and passed it last night. i hope we return to it today. >> it included a pay raise for members of congress, which is something that it's easy to pick on for a lot of people. >> well, of course it is. of course it is. and and one of your reporters stopped me in the hall and said, tell me about the congressional pay raise. i said, i don't know what you're talking about. i had no idea that that was going to be included. it's a cost of living adjustment adjustment. members of congress have not had a cola in 15 years, 15 years. and this is a modest increase. i talked to my wife this morning. i said, don't count on ever receiving it, but it is included in the early draft of the compromise. >> what do you think this episode, this last 12, 24 hours

tells us about what this next trump presidency will be and the power, maybe, that elon musk will wield. >> well, i'll tell you, it's a serious mistake if we give that kind of authority and power to someone who is not not elected and is going to dictate. i wonder why mr. musk, who i've met several times, fails to remember that when tesla was about to fail as a company, he turned in desperation to the obama administration and had multi-hundred million hundreds of millions of dollars given to him in a loan so that tesla could succeed. and it did, and i'm glad it did. but the fact of the matter is, there was a moment in time when his private company needed help. >> you are finishing up your chairmanship. this current version of your chairmanship of the judiciary committee, and you are proud of your accomplishments in terms of confirming judges under the biden presidency yes, i am, and i can tell you that if we

approve the two judges on the calendar today, 235 federal judges will be filling vacancies because of action taken in the last four years. >> over 85% of them were on a bipartisan roll call. these are quality individuals, women and men who will make a difference. >> senator dick durbin, we appreciate your time this morning. i would say get home safely for the holidays, but you may have a lot to do between now and then. so good luck over the next several hours. thanks a lot, sarah. >> good to be with you. >> and just ahead, happening at this moment, more teamsters union members are on strike against amazon and even more are expected to join later today. this morning, a worker near chicago speaking out against the company. >> one thing that i would like to say is that there is a narrative being pushed out by amazon that we are the monsters and we are the problem and we are not. how are we the problem when we have amazon drivers in fort lauderdale that are delivering packages in a flood?

how are we the problem when we have amazon workers in california who are forced to work during a heat wave? we are not the problem because we're asking for what is owed. >> amazon is responding, calling the strike a pr play and illegal, and the company says this will not affect deliveries this holiday season. the teamsters union represents less than 1% of amazon's u.s. workforce. all right. the attorney for the woman who accused sean combs and jay-z of rape is now suing jay-z's entertainment company, roc nation. tony buzbee accuses roc nation of soliciting dozens of his clients to file. and i'm quoting here frivolous lawsuits against buzbee's law firm. a spokesperson for roc nation calls the lawsuits baloney. jay-z has denied the rape allegation and is suing buzbee for extortion and multiple sources have told cnn that u.s. officials are investigating a chinese telecom company to see if their routers posed a

potential national security risk. authorities are trying to see if hackers allegedly used the cheap and widely available routers from tp-link to target u.s. infrastructure. sources say the routers could be banned pending the results of the probe. and the world's largest hornet, aka the murder hornet. yes, it's a real thing has finally been wiped out here in the u.s. federal officials announcing the invasive hornet has now been eradicated five years after they were first spotted in washington state. local residents played a huge part in helping get rid of them, agreeing to place traps on their properties. the hornets, which can be two inches long, killed dozens of people in china just a few years back. okay. >> that's terrifying. and thank god we're all okay right now. all right. thank you so much, sarah. let's talk about this. we're going to show you some video. and what you're going to see is what is a suspected laser strike video

captured by a passenger as his plane flew over new jersey on friday. seeing some video of it there, an example of what the faa is now warning about. pilots reporting a dramatic uptick in laser strikes from the ground, all since concerns have been raised over those mysterious drone sightings. cnn's pete muntean tracking all of this for us. so, pete, what are you hearing about these laser strikes and this somewhat connection to the drone mystery you've been you've been covering? >> well, essentially here, kate, that drone panic has triggered this dangerous outcome. >> people misidentifying airplanes as drones, and then taking a high powered laser pointer like this one. bought this one for about 29 bucks on amazon and pointing it at the plane that can temporarily blind pilots or worse. it's a huge problem all the time. an average of 30 times a night, according to the federal aviation administration. but the faa says there has been a huge surge this month. on tuesday night alone, pilots

reported 123 laser strikes nationwide, 24 over the skies of new jersey, meaning an average night for laser strikes nationwide. localized entirely over one state. now, the fbi has been warning would be drone hunters against this, but this is the first time that we're getting new data. the faa says in all, there's been a 269% increase in pilot reports over the same period a year ago. this is what it looks like. that's the blue laser there that was captured by a passenger on an american airlines flight last friday. the passenger tells cnn that this was over new jersey as the flight was descending into new york's laguardia airport. now shining a laser pointer at an airplane or a helicopter is a felony. it carries an $11,000 fine from the faa, and people do get caught. just last week, a tennessee 18 year old was arrested for pointing a laser at a nashville police helicopter. >> kate, it's so scary. that's a huge increase. and the fact that they're even putting this connection right, this connection between the outcry over the drone sightings