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giving i'm rahel solomon in new york and this is cnn this is cnn breaking news. >> i'm brianna keilar alongside boris sanchez here in washington. and we are following our breaking news for the first time. accused killer luigi mangione is set to appear in a new york courtroom to face charges that he allegedly gunned down unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson earlier this month in a strike against, or we should say, earlier this month, in a brazen attack. the justice department filing new charges against the 26 year old defendant, including stalking and murder. a new york grand jury has indicted the ivy league graduate on state charges of first and second degree murder. >> what you saw there moments ago was mangione arriving in new york city a short time ago. this was the scene as he was extradited from pennsylvania, where he was arrested at a mcdonald's after a five day manhunt and a remarkable scene.

the suspected killer was flanked by the nypd, new york mayor eric adams, and other officials. a van then driving the suspect to the courthouse with a large motorcade. cnn's shimon prokupecz is now outside the courthouse for us in manhattan. shimon, tell us what you know about this hearing that we understand should be getting underway soon yeah, it should be getting underway soon. >> mangione is inside the courthouse now. we're just waiting for his attorneys and for him to appear with the prosecutors. and it will be his initial appearance on the federal charges. those four charges, the two charges for stalking and murdering, allegedly, brian a firearms charge. and so that is what we expect to happen. it will be his first time here in new york. court. coming back to new york in quite a different way, really just un sort of believable to see the way in which he was transported here

to new york city and nypd plane picking him up in pennsylvania, meeting him at an airport was an nypd helicopter in long island. they then flew him to the wall street heliport, where he was met by dozens of law enforcement officials. the mayor of this city, the highest ranking officials of the nypd, all there waiting for him. and it was quite a spectacle and really just remarkable to see the way in which they presented him, the way in which they accepted him, the way in which they walked him through that heliport into a waiting van, where then fbi agents with the nypd brought him here to the courthouse, took him into custody here. the fbi did, and now he is facing these very significant federal charges that make him eligible for the death penalty. now, he wasn't on the state case, but it's

quite different now. and so we wait for this hearing to get underway here shortly. >> and, shimon, we should also note that the federal complaint reveals some new details about mangione notebook. can you tell us what we've learned there? >> yeah. so this is this is all new. let me just look at my notes here. so this was all new information, and this is all based off of what the fbi says. was that notebook, the handwritten notebook from mangione that was recovered by police. and it too, is very, very significant because it lays out how long he allegedly was planning this attack, the way in which he was thinking about this attack and also the motive. so there are a couple of entries that the federal complaint talks about. one in august, august 15th of this year. so not too long ago, but it just goes back to show you how long he was planning it and what he writes in there is that, quote, the details are

finally coming together. and then he writes, according to the fbi. i'm glad in a way that i've procrastinated because it allowed me to learn more about company one, and that is believed to be united health insurance. and then he writes, the target is insurance because it checks every box. now, in the october 22nd, also of this year entry, he writes, quote, one and a half months. this investor conference is a true windfall. and most importantly, the message becomes self evident. and then the complaint, the federal complaint says he writes the words, quote, whack the ceo of the insurance companies at its investors conference. so very significant here for law enforcement. they say these are the notes that he had on him, handwritten in his own handwriting, which shows the motive, they say. and now, obviously, we wait for this court hearing to see what his

attorneys it will be the first time that we get to hear from his attorney, karen agnifilo. and her husband is also here in court. he's mark agnifilo, and his name might sound familiar because he's been in the news a lot lately. he represents p diddy. so the two of them, these two attorneys are now overseeing this case. and the other thing i want to point out, you know, much has been made about karen agnifilo agnifilo. she's a former prosecutor, a chief prosecutor in the manhattan da's office. and, you know, for the last few weeks, we've been expecting that this case was going to be in a state court. we were expecting that this morning, even as late as 10 a.m., that we thought we would all be in a state court. and now all of a sudden at sort of, you know, the last minute here, the fbi swooped in. they have charged him, they have taken him into custody, and he's going to be in federal custody as he awaits trial on this federal case. >> shimon prokupecz is live for us outside the federal courthouse in manhattan. keep us posted with what you're

hearing is going on behind closed doors. let's discuss with our panel. we have cnn legal analyst joey jackson, a criminal defense attorney, retired new york police detective michael alcazar, now an adjunct professor at john jay college of criminal justice and cnn senior legal analyst. elie honig, a former state and federal prosecutor. thank you all for being with us. elie, first, i want to go to you because you know, this courthouse extremely well. give us an idea of what it actually looks like. since cameras aren't allowed inside. >> yeah. boris has spent many, many hours and days inside this courthouse. so what's happening today? what will happen shortly is an arraignment. so before that, luigi mangione is going through some basic processing, through the court officers, through the marshals. they'll take his prints, they'll ask him some basic questions. when the court proceeding is ready, he'll be walked into what we call magistrates court. now, if you're trying to envision this, it's not the sort of soaring, ornate federal courtroom where most trials happen. this is sort of a unglamorous, dingy courtroom. the ceiling is lower, it's

darker, it's smaller, and usually it's just used as a place for sort of initial processing. so mangione will sit at his table with his lawyer, karen friedman agnifilo, by his side. the prosecutors for the s.d.n.y will be at the other table. the judge will essentially say, mr. mangione, you've been you've been not indicted. excuse me? you've been charged by complaint. have you seen the complaint? have you gone through it with your lawyer? he'll say yes. the judge may ask, how do you plead if that question gets asked, he will say, i plead not guilty. do you have a lawyer? mangione will say, yes, i do. this is the person sitting right next to me. and then the judge will say to the lawyer, do you want to make a motion on bail here? meaning do you want to ask for bail? he might ask for bail. karen friedman agnifilo might ask for bail for him. but that's just to put on a show. there's zero chance that he gets bail. and then from that point, the prosecutors, the federal prosecutors will have 30 days under the rule and under some readings. 20. it sort of depends on the nuances here. but 20 to 30 days to go to a grand jury and get an indictment. at that point, the case will be assigned to a district judge and will be

underway in the familiar normal criminal process. >> and, joey, just explain to our viewers these federal charges versus the state charges. >> yeah. so brian and boris, the federal government has what's called concurrent jurisdiction. what that means in english is that the state can charge. and they have they've indicted him in the 11 counts, which we've talked a lot about, including first degree murder, second degree murder and a number of gun charges. et cetera. the state has done that. however, the federal government also has the jurisdiction to charge, and they have done so. if you look at the distinction in the actual criminal complaint in federal court between the indictment, what i would say is this in the state court case in which he faces life without parole based upon the terrorism charge, it's a bare bones indictment just alleging enough to get you to the standards of which are charged as it relates to the murders, as it relates to the gun. et cetera. however, if you look at the federal complaint, it's what we call a speak.

it's not even a speaking indictment. it is a singing, screaming indictment. what's the difference? what? sorry. criminal complaint. not yet been indicted. what i'm saying is, is that generally it lays out probable cause to believe he's committed one of the four offenses in which he's charged. this lays out chapter and verse, a timeline with respect to the plotting and planning. right. give given many days before it lays out a number of pictures not only of him, of the great backpack, of the weapon, of the silencer. it gives you what he was doing. it talks about the manifesto. it talks about the federal, what he was saying in terms of to the feds and listing that out. and so it really is specific in detail with regard to what he has allegedly done, how he has done it, the process he has followed in doing it. and of course, the major distinction, because the defense counsel has said in great advocacy that, hey, you know, it's double jeopardy and it's piling on. the federal government has a role here, and it's not double jeopardy to the extent that the nature of the charges are

different. right. the course of conduct you have to prove is different. and at the end of the day, the fact is, is that in federal, right, you have the death penalty and state court, you don't a major distinction. last point, and that is ali described the magistrate. and, you know, it's not as ornate as these federal courthouses, which are beautiful, but compared to state court, that magistrate court is paradise. i mean, it's a lot different from a state perspective, but it just goes to show you a level of perspective. you know, elie honig being a seasoned federal prosecutor, i spent my time in state court. so when i go into federal courts, it's in awe right where it's so that's a distinction in terms of the layout and the look, at least. >> michael, i want to ask you about one aspect to what joey was just describing, and that is the fact that this is a singing or screaming complaint, soon to be indictment. that's in large part because of the amount of evidence that investigators have gathered here. what they found on mangione when he was apprehended in altoona. i do wonder how you see federal

investigators working with the nypd and what new york detectives have gathered. do they basically just pick up from what they have, or do they? then these federal investigators have to start their own investigation. >> i think the feds are going to start their own investigation. of course, they're going to look at the information that's being shared with them by the nypd, but they're going to do their due diligence, do their own investigation. uh, look at all the evidence. i mean, there's a wealth of evidence here. what the what the gun on mangione, the bullets at the crime scene that now match the dna evidence on the bottle, the water bottle and on the phone. uh, his manifesto, his fingerprints on the manifesto, on the scene. so it's going to be a joint effort, but i believe the feds will do their own conduct, their own investigation, and then compare what they have with the nypd. >> and, ellie, if you could just talk about how the death penalty relates to the federal charge here and why this would

be a candidate for the feds to pursue it. >> yeah. so big issue to watch here in the coming weeks and months. just to be clear, new york state law does not have a death penalty. so in the state case, the most that luigi mangione could be sentenced to is life in prison. but here in the federal court, which we're looking at here on the screen, this one of the charges against luigi mangione can potentially be punished by the death penalty. now, there's a process here. doj first has to go through its internal process. if you're the prosecutor on this case, you have to write a memo that goes down to the attorney general's office in dc where you recommend we should or should not seek the death penalty. then the ag and his people in dc will review that. and if the decision comes back, yes, we are going to seek the death penalty, then that's the case. but doj does not always seek the death penalty. in all death eligible cases. the kind of things you look at are just how heinous was the crime? what's the nature of the crime? how premeditated was it? how many

victims were there? are there larger societal needs here? deterrence, rehabilitation, that kind of thing that would weigh for or against the death penalty. so that process usually takes weeks or months to play out. but important to notice there's going to be a big difference when the trump administration takes over doj in three weeks. i mean, donald trump's doj was way more aggressive during his first term in imposing the death penalty, certainly than recent democratic administrations have been. the biden administration has sought death penalty in two cases, two mass shootings. but i think the chances of a death penalty being sought here are going to go up when donald trump is sworn in, when his doj takes over in january. >> joey, i want to pick up on something we spoke about yesterday when discussing this mangione case, and that is the idea of jury nullification being a potential factor. that is the jury essentially deciding that this person may have committed the act that they're accused of, but that on the greater whole, it would be unjust for them to face a

sentence effectively. and you can correct me if i'm misrepresenting a jury nullification, but i wonder how that now potentially applies to federal charges. >> yeah. boris. indeed. i mean, i think most people would be screaming at the screen and probably are right, saying jury nullification. what are you talking about? he's guilty. look at this evidence. have you not seen the criminal complaint here in federal court where it lays out chapter and verse? he's on his bicycle. it talks about the manifesto. it talks about to the feds. he's guilty even looking at this. not so fast. obviously, you have the presumption of innocence. however, from all public indications, the evidence is really strong. the reason we're here talking about at least, you know, you raise the issue of jury nullification is we've seen social media. i have never right. and i'd be curious to know if ali has ever seen a case like this where social media really is calling him a hero. he's being called saint luigi. they're selling t shirts with angels on them.

they're selling trinkets for christmas. people on social media are saying, hey, it should have been me to do this. it should have happened before. you know, it should happen again. it's insane. and so why is that relevant? why is public perception relevant? why am i talking about social media? because we're talking about a jury pool. now, of course, the southern district jury pool, a lot different from a manhattan jury pool to the extent that it's more right, it's a broader area that you have to cover. and i don't know whether that's better or worse with respect to the number of people who are going to be there, the number of people evaluating, i should also say very briefly, that you select a jury. and if there's jurors who say, i hate the health care system, i hate government, i don't like anybody. most of all, you defense attorney and you prosecutor, whatever you excuse them, they're called challenges for cause. but you have a limited number of people who are ultimately going to be on that jury, and those are the people you agree to. but people are people. they have visions, they have emotions, they have perspectives. will they say, you know what? wow, this is

long overdue. that's something to look for with regard to a hung jury, with regard to a jury that nullifies, you know, i don't know that they will. but if ever there was a case right where it would be a jury that would nullify. and last, last point, look at the last election the public has spoken with regard to what they feel about the government with regard to what they feel about the country and the direction it's heading. the distrust of government, just the feelings overall about politics. they wanted someone in the office who could just be a, you know, just a norm breaker. i'm looking for that as it relates to this case, to be sure. >> it's a fascinating perspective. joey jackson, michael khuza'a elie honig appreciate you all. thanks for the conversation. thank you. still ahead, we're also following two other major breaking stories this hour. the georgia prosecutor leading the state's election interference case against donald trump has now been disqualified. so did the final criminal case against the president elect just collapsed. we'll discuss. >> and chaos on capitol hill. lawmakers scrambling to avoid a government shutdown after the

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challenges, and also added this politically fraught issue of raising the national debt limit as part of it. that is a difficult negotiation divides republicans and something that usually takes months to resolve. he wants that done as part of this negotiation while they're trying to avoid a government shutdown by the end of the week. now, i just caught up with a number of senate republicans leaving a closed door lunch, and there is no plan yet on how to move forward. and j.d. vance was at this lunch. people like senator susan collins, who will chair that senate appropriations committee, said, i truly don't know what the plan is. others criticizing the talk of a government shutdown like chuck grassley told me it was stupid to shut down the government at this point. rand paul said getting rid of the debt limit would be fiscally irresponsible. and then there are the democrats. democrat votes will be essential, not just in the senate, but also in the house. and talking to a number of those house democrats today, they said we had a deal. they didn't want to cut a new one that trump is demanding this is ridiculous right now. >> what he's trying to do is

insert something that is a negotiating tool into an already negotiated agreement to keep the government open. >> i've got to get my community prepared for what is likely to be a government shutdown. i have border patrol agents, cbp officers, tsa, air traffic controllers, a lot of federal employees, a lot of public servants who depend on their paychecks now. >> meantime, trump has continued to dig in and said that a debt limit increase must be part of this negotiation. and that is what the house speaker, mike johnson, is now trying to deal with behind the scenes. there have been a flurry of meetings to try to get republicans on board behind one plan. there is no consensus yet, which is why there are major fears right now in the capitol of a government shutdown, a potentially prolonged one as well, guys. >> all right, that sounds dire. manu, thank you for that report from the hill. with us now is republican congressman steve

womack of arkansas. he serves on the house appropriations committee. sir, thanks for taking the time with us this afternoon. is there going to be a shutdown? >> well, i pray not. i don't think that's wise on anybody's part, particularly at this time of year. in fact, any time there are people out there that believe government shutdowns don't affect them, but they do. and it's it rolls off the tongue pretty easy to, you know, just say advocate for a shutdown. but that ignores the reality that a lot of very important federal workers, a lot of important federal duties, just become very, you know, jeopardized, threatened. and and we don't need that at this time of year. this was a bit of a surprise yesterday, as i was quoted early this morning, i woke up yesterday not knowing that the debt ceiling was going to be part of this deal. and then by the afternoon, the debt ceiling was part of the deal. so i'm

assuming that's what's being negotiated right now. how do you thin down, you know, pare down the 1500 plus page cr, by the way, less than 100 pages of it is actually funding the government. how do you pare that down? keep some provisions in there that are critically important, like disaster, like farm aid, those kinds of things. and at the same time deliver on a demand by the president elect. and that is to deal with the debt ceiling before his inauguration. >> so it's pretty wild that, you know, someone like you, a top appropriator not hearing about this debt ceiling demand until this 11th hour. who is responsible for it getting to that point? >> well, ultimately, i don't want to, you know, point fingers at people, but because i wasn't the one negotiating this this issue, i'm not part of the four corners. as was reported by manu, but i'm a senior appropriator and so i'm

connected to, to, you know, to some of those discussions. but ultimately the people who are negotiating are the ones that are putting all of the options on the table and then deciding what can stay, what has to go. what is politically doable. and this didn't come up until, as i say, the 11th hour yesterday, as you mentioned, i'm a senior appropriator this, this all this began back in september. here we are on the eve of christmas. you know, on the eve of a government shutdown, because we run out of money tomorrow and the appropriators got their work pretty much finished, at least on the house side, and prepared to move these all across the floor, get into conference with the senate and get it approved and signed into law. but we keep kicking this can down the road. this is the new norm for congress, and that is to delay appropriations until the next milestone. and we have to stop that. >> where do where would votes for this debt ceiling issue come from? if you have 71 republicans who voted against

suspending the debt limit in the 2023 bill? >> well, it's clear to me that we have potential issues on our side of the aisle, and i'll speak to the other side in a minute. but on our side of the aisle, we have people that will never vote for a debt ceiling. they've promised people back home. they'll never vote for a debt ceiling. and look, is the united states government going to default on the paying of its bills? i just can't fathom a circumstance that would cause that to be the case. and and that scares the markets and that turns the economy upside down. we don't need to go there on the left, on the on the democrat side. i understand their reluctance to want to support any new deals because we had a negotiated plan that they were willing to support. and now the tables have been turned. so we're in a chaotic situation right now, and i've been looking at a blue screen on my monitor all day long, and that's never a good thing. the day before you lapse in

funding. >> yeah, certainly. i want to ask you about elon musk because he's the one who raised this demand publicly. he's wielding a lot of power right now. and what do you think about some of your colleagues being open to him being speaker? would you support that well, i don't i don't think that's a realistic idea. >> um, first of all, elon's got to want to do it. and i think when he looks at what mike johnson has been through, what kevin mccarthy had been through, what all speakers have to go through, he'll probably find that launching and recovering rockets, building evs, revitalizing social media platforms is a heck of a lot easier and much more profitable than becoming speaker of the house. >> and finally, your colleagues who are calling for a shutdown. and there are some of them who are calling for a protracted one. you have marjorie taylor green, nancy mace saying, shut the government down until trump takes office on january 6th.

your colleagues who are comfortable with the military not getting paid, it appears you've got multiple military installations there in arkansas. you've got folks at ebbing there in your district. what's your message to your colleagues on that? >> shutting the government down is counterintuitive to anything that i believe. i'm a former mayor. so, you know, government is made to work. and like i said earlier, when people say or advocate for a government shutdown, they are ignoring the absolute results of that. and but here's the here's the problem with shutting the government down is eventually it has to be reopened. and under what conditions would it be reopened? if you are able to extract concessions from the other side, then that's one thing. but if they're dug in and they're not going to give, then before long you're going to see the real impact on everyday americans that a government shutdown actually proposes and the results of

that, i think, would be disastrous to both the new majorities in the house and the senate and the incoming president yeah, what a headline right before christmas. >> congressman steve womack, thanks for your time. >> thank you so much. glad to be with you. >> next, we're back with our breaking news. we have some new details on what is happening behind closed doors. those closed doors as health care ceo, murder suspect luigi mangione is due in federal court. we're going to take you there live next. >> if you're living with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis or active psoriatic arthritis, symptoms can sometimes hold you back. but now there's skyrizi so you can be all in with clear skin. >> things are getting clearer. yeah, i feel free to bare my skin. >> yeah, that's for me. nothing is everything. >> with skyrizi you can show up with 90% clear skin. and if you

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>> let's go now to cnn's shimon prokupecz. outside of court. shimon, can you tell us what is happening inside? >> so we are waiting on him on luigi mangione and his attorneys to appear in court. we're told by ouream inside that prosecutors are inside the courtroom. so we're waiting for the judge. we're waiting for him, and we're waiting for his attorneys. we believe, according to our kara scannell, that he is meeting with his attorneys. currently, he has two attorneys here with him, a husband and wife team. karen agnifilo and mark agnifilo. we saw them coming here a couple of hours ago, and now they are meeting with him and we hope to get started here soon. this will be his first appearance. it will be a presentment where they're going to tell him. the judge will tell him what he's charged with. he'll see a magistrate judge. and then we go from there. they will set a future date. but i think what will happen here, obviously will be our first chance,

really, to hear from his attorneys. it will be our chance to hear, sort of hear anything they may say about the case. and then we hope once they're done, they'll come down and speak to reporters coming in. they said they didn't want to make any comments, but i think given the sort of last minute surprise here with the fbi swooping in and charging him and sort of taking him away from the state court proceeding, that we all expected today, the way in which he was brought over, helicopters and planes and that very long walk surrounded by dozens of law enforcement officials with with the mayor and the leading law enforcement officials from the nypd. quite a spectacle and something that certainly not many of us here have ever seen in any case. so it's going to be curious to see if there's going to be any kind of response from his attorneys once they wrap up in court, which we expect should

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