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inmates. according to the department of justice, it's unclear how long mangione will stay at the mdc. he could be back in court as soon as monday for an arraignment on those state murder charges. sarah. >> all right. our kara scannell thank you to her. and breaking news, senate majority leader chuck schumer just saying he's confident the senate will follow the house tonight and vote to avoid a government shutdown. schumer saying democrats are working very hard to pass it as soon as possible. the vote could come at any moment. schumer also saying he's glad republican leaders were able to tell. elon musk, who opposed the initial bipartisan spending deal, that he was wrong. and thank you for joining us. pay for everything from air
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traffic controllers to disaster relief to the troops. and just hours before a government shutdown, house republicans finally agree on a bill that can pass. also tonight, a live report from germany, where officials say the driver who plowed his car into a crowded christmas market did so deliberately. later, with bird flu threatening to jump from livestock to people what one dairy farm is doing in the battle against this deadly bug good evening to you, jim sciutto here in again for anderson tonight. and now it is up to the senate. they've got just about four hours to approve legislation, which, when president biden signs it, will head off a midnight government shutdown. it made it through the house about two hours ago, after two days of high and low drama, failed attempts and a right wing revolt, which all began when elon musk and president elect trump trashed the original bipartisan bill, which had, we should note, taken months to
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negotiate. tonight, despite 34 republican no votes on the final bill and loud threats to his job, house speaker mike johnson declared victory and then left we are excited about this outcome tonight. >> we're grateful that everyone stood together to do the right thing. and having gotten this done now is the last order of business for the year. we are set up for a big and important new start in january. we can't wait to get to that point. we encourage swift passage in the senate. now they need to do their job as the house just did. we will all go home. >> don't miss this, though. to secure passage of the bill, speaker johnson agreed to strip out a key demand of the president elect that is suspending the debt limit. however, three sources inside the closed door gop meeting where the deal was made tells cnn the party leadership committed to something of a gentleman's agreement to raising the debt limit next year, while also somehow
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finding $2.5 trillion in cuts to quote, net mandatory spending. what does that mean? medicare could be on the table, which the president elect promised as recently as two sundays ago, would not be. >> you've tapped elon musk vivek ramaswamy to head up this department of government efficiency. correct. which proposes cuts to the federal government. i think a lot of people hear that, and they get concerned about medicare and social security and medicare and defense spending. we're talking you won't touch medicare, social security. okay. >> no, i said to you, we're not touching social security other than we might make it more efficient, but the people are going to get what they're getting. okay. >> so the entitlements are on the table, and we're not raising ages or any of that stuff off the table. >> we won't do it $2.5 trillion is a big fear. >> not clear how they get to that. the president elect just recently speaking there to kristen welker. joining us now from capitol hill, cnn's manu raju. manu, i mean, they were right up against the precipice
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here, but they seem to have saved themselves. what have you been hearing from lawmakers about how this played out? >> yeah, this was a messy period of legislating and perhaps a fitting end to a chaotic 118th congress because of donald trump's late demands here and blowing up that bipartisan compromise that you discussed and making that late demand to raise the national debt limit. democrats have wanted to not want to give in to that, because they believe that was a key point of leverage to fight against the trump agenda next time. even though donald trump tried to pressure republicans to fall in line, really bullying some of them, calling them out by name and the case of congressman chip roy of texas and threatening primary challenges against others who dare to defy him on the issue of the debt limit. ultimately, 38 republicans yesterday did defy him. he did not have the support to do that, which is why he had to take a defeat here. setting aside that issue of the debt limit going forward. now, i caught up with one of those republicans who defied donald trump,
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congressman thomas massie of kentucky, and i asked him about the president elect's effort to pressure him. >> i think it's an institutional victory to some degree. i mean, i support president trump's agenda, and i'll and i'll vote that way up here. but i think it's you still have to have a legislative body that's independent and and deliberative. >> i mean, essentially that he tried to bully members of congress and it seemed to not work. >> it didn't work for 38 or 39 people last night. >> and, jim, the question is what this will mean for the next two years of legislating in single party rule here in washington, as they punted on this issue until next year, it is going to complicate trump's agenda coming in. they've only pushed this off, but they're going to need a lot of deal making internally to do what you just laid out there, which is to raise the national debt limit and find $2.5 trillion in cuts. that is going to be
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incredibly complicated to do, but it just shows you the challenges ahead, jim, and to pass those tax cuts. >> right. they're going to have to raise that debt ceiling. so so when is the senate expected to take this up? and is there any reason to fear that the senate might not pass it? >> no, the senate will pass it. jim is expected to be by overwhelming amount. but senate being the senate, it takes a long time to reach an agreement to actually hold a vote. so this could actually go pretty close to that midnight deadline that would that would lead to a government shutdown. we'll see if there's a technical government shutdown, if it goes past midnight for maybe a little bit of time before it gets to the president's desk, but it should have no real impact on the government. of course, tomorrow is saturday. the government is closed, but ultimately this will be signed into law. >> jim manu raju, thanks so much. so joining us now is south dakota republican congressman dusty johnson. thanks so much for taking time on this friday evening. >> you bet. >> so this just got through. it was a bit messy at the end. and let's be frank, the republican majority in the house is actually going to get slimmer in the next congress. is this a
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taste of what it's going to be like governing as we begin the new year? >> oh, yeah, it's a bit of a taste. we are a deeply divided country, and we're a pretty deeply divided congress. it is not going to be pretty, but we're going to get our work done in the next two years, just like we got it done this week okay? >> this legislation does not include a very key issue. that is a suspension of the debt limit, which is something president elect trump had been demanding from republicans. and yet more than three dozen of them basically sank that. i just wonder why were republicans willing to defy him on that? >> the reality is that president trump did get what he wanted. he got a commitment that we're going to address the debt ceiling early next year. and that's no big surprise. everybody knows the debt ceiling is going to be addressed next year. of course, we are not going to default on our debts. that would be catastrophic. the debt ceiling
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is a leverage point for whatever the minority party is. president trump wants to make sure that that's not a leverage point for chuck schumer and the democrats into the middle of next year. we, of course, are going to take care of that for him. and so i do think he was able to get the deal that he needed this week. >> i mean, to be clear, he did want to get it out of the way before he came into office. maybe it's the best he could get with that divided house republican caucus. but but let me ask you this $2.5 trillion in cuts, that's a big figure. how do you get to that figure in the next congress as you come in without cutting entitlements? or is that on the table? >> now, i know we love to scare the hell out of everybody by talking about trillion dollar cuts, but let's put this into perspective. >> that's not my figure. that's that's republicans figure. >> no, no, i get it. but we need to put the 2 trillion number, the $2.5 trillion number in context over the next ten years. we're going to spend $80 trillion. is american
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life really going to crumble into the sea if we spend $78 trillion instead? we all know that there is plenty that we can do to focus that spending. and frankly, i'm looking forward to it. i mean, i do think americans are frustrated with the size, the slowness and the, frankly, the intrusiveness of the government. so there is obviously some things we're going to protect. we can't touch social security and reconciliation. so anybody who's trying to fearmongering on that is frankly just doesn't understand what the law says. and then president trump has made it clear we're not going to be touching medicare either. >> okay, not social security, not medicare, medicaid. >> he's not going to medicaid is the kind of thing where i think we can do a much, much better job of providing health care to america's needy. >> listen, we're a rich enough country. clearly the least fortunate among us. listen, we're going to help them with their health care. but that is not a well-run program. and so do i think that over the course of the next ten years, we can
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do a better job with that program? absolutely. we can. >> you are an elected member of congress, and you just earned your seat. again, i want to ask you about elon musk's role in all of this, because you guys had a bipartisan deal with a lot of things that didn't make it into this final agreement here until that tweet from elon musk. are you comfortable with him wielding that kind of power over a republican led congress? >> well, first off, we did not have a deal. i mean, the 1500 page bill that got rolled out wasn't the kind of thing that i was able to see before it was released. it wasn't the kind of thing that i ever expressed support for. and in fact, i had indicated to leadership that i was opposed to it. but listen, that's how these things go. you cut a deal. you see whether or not your membership is there. and of course, at that point you want america to weigh in. that's what the first amendment is about. i don't think we should be muzzling elon musk just because the guy's got a lot more money than i do. he is a disrupter. he is brilliant. there are times he's going to intervene
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in an unorthodox way, but over the long haul, i think there's going to be a lot of good that comes from that. >> we'll see. congressman johnson, we appreciate it. happy, happy holidays to you and your family. >> thanks much. you too. >> joining us now, cnn political commentator shermichael singleton and jamal simmons. also cnn's kristin holmes, who of course, covers trump. kristin, let me ask you, does trump himself look at this as a loss? i mean, he made his demands quite clear. he wanted the debt ceiling to be raised now, not in three months time. >> well, regardless of whether or not he views it as a loss, it's certainly not a win. and this is not what he wanted. he said he wanted to clear the decks. we know in private conversations he raised hell about getting rid of the debt ceiling and publicly as well. the question, of course, is whether or not he was going to continue fighting it. and right now it doesn't appear that he is. and you've seen almost nothing but silence from him since this morning. this morning he came out and said something like, this needs to be solved under the biden administration, not the trump
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administration. but other than that, he's really backed off of what we saw yesterday and the day before, which was this rampant posting, this threatening of house members who might vote for the cr. it's a different kind of temperament. and now part of that, i'm told, is that he was told in private that he was going to be incredibly hard to get this done. one, it was a bad idea to have a government shutdown. and two, despite the fact that he was continually saying it's the biden administration's fault, nobody, even republicans, were publicly saying it was his fault because he had tanked it, but two, that they just didn't have a long enough runway to get something like this done that was going to take months to negotiate. so it seems as though, at least in some ways, he backed off the idea. yeah. >> i mean, sort of like with gates, maybe maybe it was just he realized he didn't have the votes, so he had to back off. shermichael i wonder when you look at this for republicans, they now they got the senate, they got the house. and of course they have the white house, though a slimmer margin in the house than they had in the previous congress. and you see the divisions exposed here
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inside the republican caucus. you see the disruptive capability of someone like elon musk with a single tweet. is this a taste of what it's going to be like under republican management as we begin the new year i understand why the president elect wouldn't want to deal with this in the middle of his new term. >> i mean, who in the world would want to deal with trying to pass some type of a longer term budget? personally, i think we should end these short term crs. i don't think this is the way you run a country. this is not the way you balance a budget. and i think we need to have annual savings attached to spending. and i know a lot of republicans won't say this, which is probably why i would never run for office. you do have to go after entitlements. we have to make reforms there. that is a reality, a part of balancing the budget ultimately means you're looking at the balance sheet and you're making cuts to every single category to try to pay down as much of that debt as you possibly can over, let's say, 8 to 10 year period. and so the
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idea, the notion that members of congress are somehow afraid of touching these things to me is not in the long term interest or vitality of the country writ large. so i'm really disappointed. and a lot of the republicans who are supposed to be fiscally conservative, continuously taking positions that i would argue as a conservative are not very conservative at all. >> i mean, the trouble is, though, shermichael, is that it's not just about the difficulty of getting to those cuts. and by the way, both parties have trouble making cuts, right? to things people like it's that, oh yeah, the republican plan is to take away revenue, right? i mean, they're talking about extending the trump tax cuts, perhaps expanding them. that would then require making bigger cuts. right. if you want to get anywhere close. and let's not even talk about balancing the budget, but not adding further to the debt. >> well, that's a good point, because obviously you have to make up for those shortfalls, right? i would probably look at a different way of giving tax cuts, maybe not so much to major corporations, maybe to smaller businesses, which does
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employ most people in this country. i would also look at how you can give some type of a tax credit or tax cuts to families and working class people writ large so that people have more money to spend in the economy, more money to save all of these things. i would argue, benefits the net individual more so if we have to make cuts to those entitlement programs, because now people have more disposable cash. so i think there's a couple creative ways that you can look at this and try to figure this out. i don't have all the answers immediately here, but the fact that our members of congress aren't even trying to explore how do we cut this debt, how do we look at long term expenditures for the country? they're not doing that. they're just saying, look, we'll pass crs and we'll just borrow by raising the debt limit. and that to me is just not sustainable. >> no, i get you. well, listen, even steve bannon was saying, you know, you might have to raise some taxes on the wealthy. i mean, the things have been turned around, right? in terms of the current political debate, jamal, i do want to get to you because according to sources, house speaker, house minority leader hakeem jeffries described this
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bill as an overall win for the american people and praised democrats for preventing a debt limit hike. i wonder from your perspective, did the democrats get anything out of this? >> well, the democrats didn't lose today. the democrats certainly made a case they had to help govern the country. they're showing the america they're willing to cut a bipartisan deal. the question for me, though, is, and i appreciate michael's effervescence here, but if you're going to start cutting medicare, medicaid, social security, these mandatory programs. tell that to the auto workers in michigan and in ohio who voted for donald trump, that they're going to have to work 2 or 3 more years than they expected to in order at a pretty hard job in order to get that social security benefit or tell that to the older lady who's trying to make her prescription drug benefit work out that she's going to have to pay a little bit more for those drugs. i just don't think when you boil it down, that this really matters. and lastly, you know, elon musk, i don't he spent $250 million in
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the last election. i don't know if he bought that chair that he occupies at the republican decision making table, but it certainly is a high priced rental. and if he's if he's going to keep making these kinds of decisions, donald trump and the republicans are going to have to answer for the fact that they've handed over control of the decision making in their party to a billionaire, one of the richest, actually the richest person in the world. >> kristen, is there any sensitivity with trump? and in the trump camp about the amount of power and influence elon musk is willing? >> well, i certainly think it hasn't gone unnoticed. i mean, there are people around donald trump who think that he has too much power. donald trump himself has continued to keep him around. i mean, just one example is after elon spent the day trashing the bill, after donald trump then issued his public statement, the two of them had dinner with jeff bezos at mar-a-lago. it's not as though in any way, they don't appear to be in complete lockstep. but i will tell you that senior advisers to donald trump continue to tell me that donald trump is the one in charge. so clearly they are
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looking at this situation and feeling the need to stress that donald trump is in control. >> he's still the president. and i'm sure listen, there's a reason democrats were saying president musk well, they know they have under his skin. >> exactly. >> they had a talking point. i'm sure you heard it, kristen holmes, shermichael singleton, jamal simmons, thanks so much to all of you. we will have live updates on that senate vote throughout the evening. also, congressman jamie raskin, he's going to join us. coming up next, though, germany, where casualties from a vehicular attack on a crowded christmas market have now been overwhelming local hospitals. and later, the remarkable measures that farmers are now taking to keep deadly bird flu from infecting livestock. the fear, of course, is that people might be next. >> you only come across an artist like luther vandross once in a lifetime. >> he was a boss from the beginning. luther said, i have a sound in my head. i got to get it out. you are my shining
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secure your peace of mind today. >> the source with caitlin collins tonight at nine. >> more breaking news tonight. authorities say at least two people are dead, 68 others injured after a driver plowed a car into a crowded christmas market in germany. according to one official, the suspected driver is in custody. is a doctor originally from saudi arabia, who has lived in germany for nearly two decades. cnn's matthew chance has more this is the moment a vehicle plowed into a packed christmas market in germany, causing horrific casualties. >> video from the immediate aftermath in the city of magdeburg shows the market in disarray, with items scattered all around and people tending to the wounded. it's now known an adult and a toddler were killed in the attack. about 100 miles west of berlin, leaving the city on edge because i'm
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certain we are shaking, we are full of sympathy for the relatives. >> also, we hope nothing has happened to our relatives, friends and acquaintances. >> police say they've arrested the driver of the car, identified by a senior german government official as a doctor originally from saudi arabia. the suspect is reported to have lived in germany since 2006, and to work in the region. a government official says it's believed the suspected attacker acted alone. he was in. >> we are currently in the process of compiling all further data and also carrying out the interrogation, according to the current information, it is an individual perpetrator, so there is no longer any danger to the city because we were able to arrest him. >> it's not the first time a german christmas market has been targeted. back in 2016, a dozen people were killed and many more injured when a crowded christmas market in berlin was struck by a truck
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driven by a 24 year old tunisian man. that attack was later claimed by the islamic state. now the german chancellor, olaf scholz, is set to travel to the scene of the latest attack, as germany reckons with a horrific act of violence just days before christmas. >> that was our matthew chance reporting. cnn's fred pleitgen. he is on the scene there in magdeburg for us. fred, i wonder if you could describe the police response there now, but also what we know about the latest figures on casualties yeah, the latest figures are still that dozens of people were injured. >> matthew just mentioned in his report there, jim, that two people at least are confirmed killed. one of them being a toddler. however, one of the things that the authorities have said to qualify all of this is that they believe that the death toll could actually still rise because there are so many people who are really severely injured when this car plowed through there. and i want to set the scene for you a
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little bit. i'm going to get out of your way and you can see behind me is the actual christmas market. and one of the things that's really interesting about all this is that there are actually barriers here to try and prevent something like this exactly like this from happening. we can see those green and red barriers that were put up here and there all around the perimeter of this christmas market. so it's unclear where there might have been a gap in all of this for the the suspect and the car to get through and then plow through that market because it must have driven in there for for hundreds of yards through that market, injuring obviously a lot of people, very difficult for the people to get out of the way because the stalls there are pretty tight and the space is very small between them. so a jam packed area, lots of people. of course, all of this happened at 7:00 pm on a friday night, the last friday before christmas. and that's also one of the reasons the authorities believe why there are so many casualties, because obviously this place would have been highly frequented at that time. jim, if you look at the speed that that car went in there, just well, it's so sad to see.
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>> fred pleitgen, thanks so much. joining us now for more cnn national security analyst juliette kayyem and peter bergen. juliette, former assistant secretary for homeland security peter, the author of numerous books, including the rise and fall of osama bin laden. also with us, former fbi assistant director chris swecker. peter, i want to begin with you because you have profiled so many terror suspects through the years. we know limited details about the suspect here. 50 years old, a doctor from saudi arabia, but has lived in germany for some 18 years. tell us about how that does or doesn't fit a profile for this kind of attack well, some people might be surprised that a doctor would carry out this kind of attack, but it's worth remembering that the erstwhile leader of al qaeda, ayman al-zawahiri, was a surgeon. >> and in fact, you know, the kind of profile of a lot of these terrorists are, you know, middle class. it's not you
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know, when you look at the taliban, the foot soldiers in the taliban are, you know, they're kind of poor, poor. but in a country like germany, bear in mind that the nine over 11 plot was largely hatched in germany, and the lead hijacker, mohamed atta, was studying for his phd and, you know, was a very bright guy. so the fact that he's a doctor isn't very surprising. the fact that he's saudi is very interesting. after all, we had a saudi military officer carry out an attack at pensacola, florida in the united states, just 2019, killing three american sailors. saudis have always been being recruited to these kinds of groups. we don't know. you know, the motive of this terrorist may be idiosyncratic. we don't know. but, you know, as we saw in matthew's package, you know, there was the berlin attack inspired by i.s.i.s., but also the attack in nice, the same the same year, which killed 84 people. and also, by the way, an attack in manhattan a year later, they killed eight people, all using vehicles and all inspired by
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i.s.i.s.. >> yeah. the vehicle is a deadly weapon. juliette, this was a rental car. and i wonder what that detail might tell you. >> well, the the fact that they have the car is going to tell them a lot. not just the rental, but who rented it. when was it rented? how much thought went into this? that then will give you a sense of of of how much planning and whether others were involved. i will say just picking up on what what peter said, um, the, the assailants, the killers ties to germany were deep. he had been there almost 20 years. you are not talking of the sort of, you know, is it a syrian refugee or is it a young person, you know, recently from another part of the country who got radicalized? it's that deepness of of ties to germany, a profession we don't know about family. uh, presumably an income that is that is
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different about this. and so that's what they're going to be looking to. so it might be the ties to saudi arabia. it might be something related to gaza and israel, which has amplified a lot of protests in europe and elsewhere. or it could be something uniquely german. and that and we will determine whether it was politically motivated, given what's happening in germany or someone with just, you know, a particular reason for doing this. so all of those are still open, but it's the deepness of ties to germany over a couple of decades. either it was a radicalization from afar, or it was something different, that that's what i think investigators will be looking for, including his ties to to people contacts in other countries. >> chris, you heard fred pleitgen describe there how there were actually concrete barriers set up around this in light of an awareness of the risk for for so-called soft
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targets like this. and yet somehow the driver still got around it. i suppose that shows the difficulty that at the end of the day, you can put up some protections, but you can't prevent everything. >> yeah, i think we all remember the the bollards and the barriers that went up after nine over 11. the capital is, you know, there's there's around the capital and all the federal buildings in downtown d.c. when i was head of security at bank of america, we worked very hard to try to protect that building and their courtyard surrounding it. you know, you can you can inflict mass casualties with the vehicle. the attack was mentioned. 86 people were killed, but they were all also about 400 injured. so you can do a lot of damage. and i'm afraid that what happens when you when you don't have a major incident in a few years, that complacency sets in and it's natural. it happens in the field of security and in law enforcement and counterterrorism, and we sort of lose sight of the fact that
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that these the terrorists have a long term view of things, and they're not going away. >> yeah. peter, to that point, i mean, there's been something of an impression, right, that the threat from groups like i.s.i.s. and others has reduced. and there is some fact to that. i mean, i.s.i.s. has been beaten down at its bases and their bases shrunk in syria and iraq. and we've seen fewer than that peak period around 2016, 1718. we've seen fewer homegrown i.s.i.s. inspired terrorists in the west. but to be clear, the threat hasn't gone away no it hasn't. >> i mean, a vivid reminder of that was the attack in the crocus concert hall in moscow, where more than 140 people were killed earlier this year. and you know, the situation in syria is, of course, it's great that assad is gone. but in the process, a bunch of prisoners, i.s.i.s. prisoners who are in prisons held by the held by the regime in aleppo and idlib, are now out of
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prison and a prison breaks or prison releases are a classic way for these groups to regenerate. we've seen that movie many times before, so and also you have a substantial number of prisoners held by the kurds, who are also under pressure in the north east of syria from some of these islamist groups. so, you know, there's a mini resurgence, i would say. i wouldn't say it's you know, it's not like they're back in business as they were in that 2016, 2017 time period. but it's certainly cause for concern. >> yeah. juliette, there were initially some indications that there might have been an explosive in this car. police were certainly concerned about that. now, the local public broadcaster, citing the police, says there was not, in fact, an explosive device in the car. i suppose that's something of a relief, right? because this could have been this could have been much worse yeah. >> that to me that was a that was an important, sort of necessary fact to figure out
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what this is. if there had been sort of secondary weaponry to get the first responders, they come to the car and then it blows up. that's just the level of sophistication, a sort of level of knowledge, and also just creating even a rudimentary device would have been planning. why wasn't that captured, you know, why wasn't that caught? so when when it was determined that there wasn't one, then people like me and the rest of the panel began to think, okay, well, was this more spontaneous? was it what was this triggered by? because it takes absolutely nothing to get into your car. if he lives in the area, he's no he knows where there's going to be vulnerabilities in in the christmas area and the christmas village area. and to just press the accelerator. that's the scary thing about these, these these car attacks. and as we enter, not just christmas, but of course, we're all thinking about it. new year's and our capacity to stop these cars. everyone in big cities will experience the protections that are in place. they don't know that it's them, but that's why there's
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big trash trucks in new york and boston and elsewhere. those are just ways to try to limit speed and and ability of a vehicle to get to to large masses of people and that that will be ratcheted up in the days to come because of this attack. >> chris, just quickly before we go, what is the state of the terror threat in this country? because peter referenced concerns about i.s.i.s. prisoners being freed in syria. there's been great concern since the fall of afghanistan and the rise of the taliban there that afghanistan specifically would become a breeding ground again for the terrorists. that, of course, we saw so markedly after nine over 11. is the threat increasing in this country for a similar kind of violence? >> i think so. i mean, we've heard fbi director chris wray talk about this in conjunction with with the relative ease of getting across the southern border. and, you know, there's no question that terrorists have come across that border,
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whether they're lone terrorists or terrorist cells. and they're they're they're they're well embedded inside this country. i've worked terrorist cases. hezbollah has always had a presence here. they raised funds here, and they can always be called into action as a as an active terrorist cell. so i think the alert here, especially around christmas time, is elevated. it probably ought to be higher than what it is right now, because i mentioned that complacency earlier, and i fear that complacency, as someone who has a background in this field. yeah. >> well, chris swecker, peter bergen, julia kim, thanks so much to all of you for joining. just ahead. back to the capitol, where, bill, to head off a government shutdown is now just a senate vote away andy, take a seat. >> anderson, look at this. you're wet. disheveled. there's debris hitting you. we need to be ready for new year's eve maybe you are ready. >> new year's eve, live with anderson and andy. live coverage starts at eight on.
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you cannot see inside the capitol. >> it's a safe bet that most house members by now are on their way home, perhaps to national airport. after finally passing legislation to prevent a government shutdown. the senate is expected to pass it shortly as well. joining us now is democratic congressman jamie raskin, who is not at the airport because his maryland constituency is just outside of washington. thanks so much for making the time tonight delighted to be with you, jim. so house minority leader hakeem jeffries, he described this bill to your caucus as an overall win for the american people. why do you agree with that well, look, it's certainly vastly superior to shutting down the government of the united states. >> we've lived through some donald trump shutdowns before. we know what that means in terms of the effect on the federal workforce, on veterans,
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on people who need the government for social security, medicare, the national parks and museums and so on. and it was certainly vastly superior to the hodgepodge bill that they sent to us yesterday, where they where donald trump was attempting to, um, you know, abolish the the debt ceiling entirely to allow for them to, you know, have this vast tax cut for the wealthy. again. so, given where we were, this was probably the best possible solution. but of course, it was not what we had agreed to originally. there were six weeks of arduous negotiation and then bipartisan agreement to a deal that got blown up by a tweet. >> so let's talk about what comes next, because republicans in their private meeting, they made a handshake agreement to cut $2.5 trillion in spending
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next year when they presumably hope to raise the debt limit, uh, to get to that figure. it strikes me and a lot of others that entitlements could be endangered. does this mean that republicans, despite what they say, are going to propose cuts to medicare and social security, perhaps medicaid the democrats viewed this as a first assault on social security and medicare. >> of the 119th congress, they were really beginning plans to try to dismantle basic entitlements that the american people have built up and paid into over the years. and so we know that they would much rather have a big tax cut for the wealthy. the largest tax cut they did gave 83% of their benefits to the richest americans. and so they want to repeat that while undermining social security, medicare, the affordable care act, anything that is an expression of solidarity among people who
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live in different classes. >> so what are you going to do about that? i mean, they do have a majority. granted, they will have a slimmer one in the house than they had in this congress, but they have the advantage of a president and they control the senate. and based on the rules, their plan, at least they want to do this through reconciliation, which means they would only need a simple majority. do democrats have a way to stop them from making such cuts? >> well, of course, there's the filibuster on the senate side, but we also think that there might be some reason within at least a handful of republicans left. and remember, um, after three republicans leave right at the beginning of the new congress, including matt gaetz and elise stefanik. um, there's going to be a one vote majority. they cannot afford to lose one vote. whether that's to political defection or illness or even a complete divorce from the caucus. already they've lost one member, victoria spartz from
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indiana, who said she is no longer a republican. she's an independent and she's not caucusing with them. so it's a famously divisive and cannibalistic group of people. now they're talking about toppling mike johnson. so we don't think we're going to have a hard time again, injecting ourselves in a completely unified way, as we did under the leadership of hakeem jeffries over the last couple of days, to assert the interests of the american people i guess the concern, though, is right that president elect trump has made this a his goal, right? >> he wants to extend those tax cuts. and without ballooning, if he doesn't want to balloon the deficit, they're going to have to make cuts. cuts. i just wonder, is that more hope or a plan that you're describing? there? >> look, um, there are, you know, a dozen republican representatives who are in districts that joe biden won or where kamala harris won or essentially tied election. those people have got to be
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very nervous about what's coming in the midterm elections. the democrats are totally unified, totally focused, and we believe that we are defending not just the constitution and the bill of rights, but also our opportunity to make progress for the american people. >> well, we'll be watching next year. congressman raskin, we do wish you and your family a happy holidays. >> thank you kindly. you, too. >> coming up next concerns growing about bird flu. we're going to take you to one dairy farm hit hard by the outbreak, where there is now a statewide emergency in effect over the virus. >> i want to be the greatest player that i could possibly become howard county emergency crystals pop and fizz when you throw them back. >> and who doesn't love a good
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>> this week, the centers for disease control and prevention announced the first severe case of bird flu here in the united states. the patient is hospitalized in louisiana. the cdc says the person was exposed to sick and dead birds in their backyard. meanwhile, california has become the first to declare a statewide emergency over the spread of the disease through dairy farms there. tonight, cnn's veronica miracle takes us to one of them as the bird flu rips through california, infecting dairy cows about two thirds of dairy farms in the entire state have been under quarantine. >> this dairy farm just outside of tulare, california, was one of the first to be hit with the virus. tom is a third generation owner of his family farm, so tom is spraying down our tires with a bleach solution which he says kills everything so that any car that's coming in here into their farm, particularly from another dairy, they have to get their tires washed with this
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bleach before they can enter. thank you for spraying down our tires. and now we need to protect ourselves, right? >> that's correct. >> i've got the gloves. i've got a mask on. have the goggles here. but i see also. you're going to bypass that because you feel confident and comfortable that. yes that everything here is safe. >> now i will also say that anybody else that comes in, we would request they do the gear up just because we don't know exactly where they've been. >> tom has roughly 1200 cows on this farm. they produce about 11,000 gallons of milk per day. when the herd became infected with the avian flu in september, nearly 30 cows died. the farm was put under quarantine for five weeks. >> our facility is negative of bird flu and has been for some time. so we're not under quarantine anymore. >> but the risk is definitely still there. the biggest concern being getting it from another dairy, right? >> yes. >> despite rapid efforts to
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contain the virus, the illness has now spread from central to southern california. how long does it take until you know that a cow is sick? >> we will know within three days. >> within three days? yeah. okay. so a cow technically could be sick right now, and you won't know for a few days. >> that's a possibility. >> transmission to humans is also a major concern, but state officials insist there's no need to panic. >> pasteurization is 100% effective in killing this virus in milk. >> of the 36 cases of bird flu in humans in california this year, nearly all of those affected were dairy farm workers exposed to sick animals, according to the cdc. so, miguel, are you concerned at all about your safety? you're not wearing any goggles, so he's not concerned about getting sick right now. 613 dairy farms are quarantined, 66 have been cleared in recent months, but dairy industry representatives say the risk doesn't end there.
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>> we are starting to hear about reinfections in texas, colorado, idaho and louisiana. >> here in tulare county, tom is staying vigilant and following safe practices. this while california prepares for the worst and tries to get ahead of a rapidly evolving crisis. >> so, veronica, i wonder what other animals are at risk of getting bird flu yeah, jim, poultry is at risk. >> in fact, poultry farms have been impacted 51 just this fall in the state of california have tested positive. we spoke to a chicken farmer in san diego who says he hasn't yet been impacted. but if one of his chickens gets sick, he has to euthanize the entire flock. so major concerns there in terms of human to human transmission, there have been no cases in the united states so far of this specific strain. and officials reiterating today here in the state of california that the risk to the public is very low. jim. >> well, keep safe while you're on that farm there, veronica. miracle, thank you so much. and
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