way that i think has raised the bar in television production exponentially. i love you guys. >> there's a shift in the 80s from just wanting to placate the audience to wanting to please and challenge the audience, and that's the decade when it happened. >> oh, we had one hell of a run, didn't we, partner? >> yeah, we sure did, sonny. >> i'm gonna miss you, man. i'm gonna miss you too, sonny. i give you a ride to the airport, why not?

>> don't touch that dial. we're about to flip it for you in five, four, three, two. >> tv is changing dramatically now with 150 channels that might be available in the near future. >> there's a lot of things that we do that you couldn't have on network television. >> people are really trying to do something adventurous. channel seven shame on you. >> this is more a celebration of culture and opening the doors and allowing america to come on inside. >> there's always something on television, and some of it may be better than we deserve that was cool.

>> listen to it. >> oh, they know when it hits the bottom. it'll be 1990. goodbye to the 80s in. nine. eight, eight, eight. >> oh, will this horrible year never end when the 90s began? >> we're starting to see a lot of experimentation. five. four. >> three. two. one. >> and the simpsons, i think, in some senses, was inspired by not necessarily a hatred of television, but a distrust of a lot of the ways in which television was talking to us.

>> tv respects me. it laughs with me, not at me. >> you stupid. >> don't. i think the sitcoms of the 80s. >> i love you guys were such a sort of warm, safe humor. >> you see, the kids, they listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage. >> and i think there was a real yearning for another type of humor. >> we were able to spoof fatherhood. >> what a bad father. >> which at the time, and i stress at the time, was bill cosby as the shining example. did you ever know that you're my hero? >> the stuff they got away with because it's a cartoon. the father strangling the child. >> ah, you little.

>> we are going to keep on trying to strengthen the american family, to make american families a lot more like the waltons, and a lot less like the simpsons. huh? >> we go to a completely bizarre period of time in 1992, when a sitting president is raging against a sitcom dad. >> they have dealt with politics. they have dealt with popular culture. they have dealt with all kinds of issues of racism, of sexism. don't ask me, i'm just a girl. >> right on. say it. sister, it's not funny. >> bart. >> millions of girls would grow up thinking that this is the right way to act. >> they have found a way to talk about everything that's going on in our lives. through the filter of the simpsons. >> them immigrants, they want all the benefits of living in springfield, but they ain't even bothered to learn themselves the language. >> yeah, those are exactly my sentiments. yeah, what the. >> bathroom. >> i think one of the governing

things that's happening with the simpsons is a distrust of anyone who tells us that we should trust them and doesn't earn the trust. >> and i'll take that statue of justice, too. >> sold. >> and when they make fun of how fox works, you are watching fox. >> we are watching fox. >> they're telling you don't trust us either. >> eat my shorts. >> all right, i'll eat. eat your shorts. >> the simpsons is like shakespeare in the sense that we quote the simpsons all the time, very often without even knowing it. >> excellent. >> i wish i could create something that culturally indelible. it's unlike anything else tv's ever run. >> twin peaks showed up out of nowhere at the beginning of the decade, and the pilot episode of that was one of the strangest and most exciting things i've ever seen. diane, i'm at the twin peaks county morgue with the body of the

victim. >> what's her name? aaron palmer. >> it was incredible. i mean, just how slowly, in the beginning, the news spread around this little town that this young, beautiful girl had died. and that haunting music was so dark and so beautiful. you. saw. >> yourself. >> that the new life is going to come back. in style. >> what on earth is essentially a art film doing in prime time television? >> american network television has long been considered the home of the bland, the cautious and the predictable. so it was with some trepidation that the abc network recently launched a

new series that was none of those things. twin peaks has already been described by one critic as the series that will change tv. it's directed by david lynch. >> david lynch was a filmmaker known for his taste in the eccentric and memorable. the idea that he would do network television in the 90s was crazy. do you watch much of it? >> well, i like the idea of television, but i'm too busy to see very much of it, and i. >> what do you think of that which you do see on television? >> well, some of it i, you know, i really enjoy. are you being diplomatic? sort of. the beautiful thing about television is you have the chance to do a continuing story. and that's the main reason, you know, for doing it. >> i think that twin peaks, with the initial attention that it got, allowed all the other networks to

say, let's do something different what was interesting about northern exposure was an odd sort of universe that this guy was dropped into. >> the day's coming, and it ain't going to be long when you ain't even going to have to leave your living room. no more schools, no more bodegas, no more tabernacles, no more cineplexes. all right, you're going to snuggle up to your fiber optics, baby, and bliss out. >> you also had experimentation that set the stage for a lot of what came later. >> it's kind of hard to pin down what exactly the x-files is. i mean, on the surface, it's a show about investigating paranormal activities unidentified flying objects, i think that fits the description pretty well. >> tell me i'm crazy. >> mulder, you're crazy. >> that dynamic, that. that dramatic tension of of believer versus skeptic is one of the engines of the show. and you were always seeing it from a

specific point of view. >> they're equals. >> yeah, absolutely. yeah. they're equals. and in a way they've kind of switched gender stereotypes because the character i play, mulder, is the intuitive one. >> the large intestine and scully is the rationalist. >> the doctor. >> a lot of folks who enjoyed the x-files who otherwise didn't watch tv might have been drawn to the show by its, for lack of a better way to put it, its stick it to the man ethos and said, don't trust the government. don't trust big business. don't trust anybody but yourself and your friends and family. i guess it's a message that's somewhat dark and cynical, but was kind of a breath of fresh air in the early 90s. >> the 90s was a time of conspiracies, and the internet was starting to spread beyond, just like hardcore computer users. so you could have message boards and usenet newsgroups, and everybody wanted to talk about the black oil and the bees, and mulder's

sister and what the cigarette smoking man was up to. and i would go to aoltv dot the hyphen, hyphen files. and people were so nuts for this show. >> it's just pure science fiction. and that's probably what i like most about it. >> the x-files changed the way people watch television. you could sense these successful creators trying to see how they could do things different than they had done 5 or 10 years ago. sometimes that led to really challenging network television. that was cool and fun to watch, and sometimes it just seemed to fall off the edge a little bit. let's be careful our. >> there. >> at the time, steven bochco was a very successful producer of our dramas and wanted to try something brand new to the police. >> we have a warrant for your arrest. 10s. come on, come on. >> and so his idea was to combine a gritty cop show with

a broadway musical. >> i saw one in which a bunch of were in jail, and they began to sing life in the hood. ain't no pizza pie. everybody die when the bullets fly. life in the hood ain't no piece of pie. >> anybody can die when the bullets fly. >> and i said, wait a minute. hold on, wait a minute. >> and i thought, well, this is it. this is going to be great. this is going to be as innovative as anything i've ever done. he's guilty, judge. he's guilty. >> you could see it in his eyes. he did the crime, and now he's got to pay. >> i mean, it just it circled the drain. >> i will give credit to anybody who goes outside the box and swings really hard for the fences. i worked real hard, and i got my education. >> i'm creatively proud of it.

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into a contender for the crown of late night television yes, yes. >> no. how come? >> how come i didn't hear all that woofing going on when i would watch too many white people? >> johnny was the big dog, but i knew everybody on the planet wasn't watching him. >> and it dawned on me that i could go many weeks and not see a motown group on the tonight show. >> arsenio hall has been dubbed the prince of late night. >> there was a whole world of talent that had never and would never have been on any late night show, sitting at home watching arsenio hall, two live crew came on and sang me so horny. and me so horny like i never. it was like the sex pistols. i'd never seen anything like it. it was an explosion in the audience, he appealed to a black and white young audience, and it was a much broader

appeal than the powers that be. >> uh, had estimated. rap. >> rap is real big. >> uh, among our teens. that's poetry. the ghetto. >> having maya angelou on. i mean, where would you have seen her otherwise? >> paul laurence dunbar in 1892 wrote a poem called a love song. it said, seen my lady home last night. jump back, honey, jump back. held her hand and squeezed it tight. jump back, honey, jump back. >> he didn't just have black people on his show but if you were hip, you wanted to be on arsenio. >> this is something that i heard a political analyst talking about recently. he said, you kind of were. i use the word chilling out. he said you were pulling back a little bit. you've been instructed not to say as much or be as outspoken. >> no, i don't, i've heard that, but i never know who says it. i think it's wishful thinking on the part of some

people. >> guess who suggested to bill to do the arsenio hall show. if you want to get a younger demo, hill dog. he attracted a lot of people who weren't fans before that night the 90s was a glorious moment for black television because you saw these representations that you'd never seen before. >> but the premise of the fresh prince was, this kid comes from philadelphia in west philadelphia, born and raised on the playground is where i spent most of my days. his mom says, i'm going to send you to live with your uncle. he shows up at this mansion in bel-air. baseball cap on backward, like he

doesn't even know how to act in this environment. the black producers and directors and writers were always playing with this kind of subverting expectations of what is blackness? >> the incredible work of the fresh prince, at its most triumphant was when it was showing the ways that being black is always going to be a problem, no matter what. >> vehicle registration, please. just a sec. but the thing is, officer, this isn't my car. >> there's the episode i remember where they get pulled over in a car. what? >> he's going to tell us to get out of the car. >> you watch too much tv, will get out of the car. >> they have an interaction with the police officer. that is horrible and racist in a lot of ways. and carlton has this epiphany about how money won't save him. >> no map is going to save you, and neither is your glee club or your fancy bel-air address, or who your daddy is. because when you're driving in a nice

car in a strange neighborhood, none of that matters. they only see one thing. >> the writers of the fresh prince of bel-air had a really hard task to approach these topics with nuance, and we're doing it at a clip that was way ahead of their time. >> now don't touch that dial. we're about to flip it for you to one of this year's most talked about tv shows. it is, as they say, on another network, fox. do what you wanna do. >> in living color. ladies and gentlemen, keenen ivory wayans in living color was the first show that was created by, written by, directed by, and starring an african american. >> all of those things in one. >> this is more a celebration of culture and a exchange. you know, us sort of opening the doors and allowing america to come on inside. yo, yo yo, are you bad bargain hunters out there? >> welcome to the homeboys shopping network. >> a lot of what they did on in living color was trying to take

the stereotypes or the misperceptions about what black men are and turn them upside down. >> not only will you get, like all the cable stations out there, but you'll be able to talk directly to the astronauts. it brought this smart, very controversial comedy that black folks had never seen before that centered around their life experiences. who are you? i am the minister louis farrakhan. >> african americans composed 25% of fox's market. >> i always get trapped in the corner with somebody named bob. hey, listen, martin, i just saw boyz n the hood, all right i didn't know martin. i didn't know, and they knew that they needed to capture this audience to grow. well, i guess you think you're smart and cool, but if you think you're getting a job here, you're a fool. now get up out my heart.

>> so they basically gave the black creators freedom to, you know, do whatever you want. just get the audience. dubba dubba dubba wb, the wb and upn took that concept from fox. >> your shoulders are hotter than chik breast implants. >> going after this underserved audience of urban minority viewers, and really ran with it. >> i'm a new millennium woman who will not be defined by traditional female roles. >> okay, a lot of the networks built themselves up partially on african-american viewers. >> shake it to the east, shake it to the west. >> the african-american show's indexed lower in terms of household income. >> what? so over the course of the decade, the network started to move away from those shows. >> i don't know about you people, but i'll be if i'm gonna let them destroy my neighborhood. >> black creators felt used and abused. you made your money. you know, you built your audience on us and now

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needed to compete. >> and i felt that if we didn't, we were going to, you know, kind of get swept out. >> you get son of a. >> and so i came up with the notion of doing a cop show that was r-rated. when abc's broadcast standards read our script, they went berserk. >> oh, i was sitting with a pad and a pencil, drawing pictures of breasts to try to show them what. what we would show and what we wouldn't show. i had grown ups sitting in a room, you know, doodling. >> then we started in on the language. >> we heard some reporter called a lowlife turd pimp with the brains of a flea and the balls of a moth. >> the program premiered with an advertising boycott. channel seven. >> shame on you. >> but it was such an immediate hit that boycott lasted for weeks. come on, line them up. >> they could use the nudity and the curse words to go

deeper into the actual emotional burden of being a cop. >> i'm an. >> i'm a i'm an. and it had this character, andy sipowicz. he is a raging alcoholic, racist, sexist, violent. he created the tv anti-hero. >> you know, i know that great african american, george washington carver discovered the peanut. >> but can you provide names and addresses of these friends? >> you know, you're a racist scumbag. >> despite his flaws, despite his prejudices, i think people identified with this pain. >> i wish there was a way to say this that wouldn't hurt you, mr. wentz. >> there's a famous early episode where they're investigating the rape and murder of a young boy, and they find a homeless child molester who murdered the kid. and sipowitz to get the confession has to be, like, very sensitive and very good cop. >> i know this has got to be tearing you up inside, but you're going to feel a lot better if you just tell the

truth. >> you can sort of see on dennis franz face. this is killing him to not, like, destroy this guy right now. and finally he gets the confession. he gets a signed statement, he walks out of the room. he goes to another interrogation room, and he breaks the door in two with his fists. and i'm choking up, talking about it right now because, like, that's how great a moment of tv that it is 20 years from now. >> the best tv dramas. what do they look like? >> i don't know, i don't i don't know whether they be bolder than what we see today. oh, assuredly, assuredly they will be. >> the 90s gave us several shows that didn't really explode in the ratings, but were very influential to other people. making television homicide is one of them. >> share me with questions all night. i'm living in a danger zone. >> homicide life on the street was really innovative in terms of its style. it used music in ways that advance the

narrative, and it also used feature film directors that brought a look and style to the show. that really stood out on television. >> tears coming out of your eyes. >> ain't no tears coming from my eyes. >> his eyes are brimming with tears. >> they had so many african american characters in the cast that on several occasions, they were the only people on camera interacting with one another. and that sounds like so. but as late as the 90s, that wasn't done on television. >> when a cop shoots somebody, he stands by it. he picks up the radio mic and he calls it in. he stands by the body. if not, cops are no better than anybody else. >> in the 90s, television was getting more complicated. stories were starting to become more episodic, characters were starting to develop and change. none of that happened on law and order. >> this was a show that completely delivered on its formula. every time you get a crime. all right, let's roll. you got the investigation into the crime.

>> you better be packing more than a dirty mouth. >> you got an arrest. >> what's the judge? >> hey, i'm asking you a question. what's the charge? >> oh, there's no charge. >> this one's on us. and then you had a trial. >> he's badgering, your honor. >> sit down and shut up, mr. feynman. >> overruled. and you will address the court from now on, mr. mccoy. >> so every time you watched, you got what you came for. >> tell me, doctor, all those women you ran through your examination rooms, do you remember their faces, or did you not even bother to look up? >> you had in law and order the kinds of characters that people take to heart. >> let you take lunch one time, offer and if you're an actor and you say, well, gee, you know, maybe, maybe it's not really such a bad medium after all. >> miranda bartolomeo, the supreme court's decision, the whole thing is illegally obtained. they were both represented by counsel. >> you just get hooked in it's life and death and stuff. >> we know what you did, counsel.

>> you hear me? ryan? do you hear me? >> can you hear me? look at me. do you hear me? >> control the law and order was like crack, gas. >> you'd have to sit and watch me for 50 minutes. >> just like, not moving, barely breathing. >> there are times i've almost passed out watching law and order. >> he. carter, get over here. >> i need your help. >> there had originally been written as a movie for steven spielberg to direct, and so we had this two hour piece, which was a reflection of of michael's experiences as a medical student. >> he was an angiocath with a 16 needle. you need a large bore in case they're bleeding and you need to transfuse them. do you know how to start an iv? uh, actually, no. >> e.r. is a hospital show, but it's really an action movie. >> green walking. wounded. yellow. >> urgent, red critical and black dealing. got it, got it. >> a gurney comes in. people are shouting instructions, climbing up onto the body and

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1990s journalism in the country changed a great deal. you couldn't talk about public service. it was what are the ratings going to be? what are the demographics going to be? what is the profit going to be? well, sensationalism sells. in a plea bargain, 18 year old amy fisher got up to 15 years in prison for shooting the wife of her alleged lover. >> so intense is the interest in this case that there are three three made for tv movies now in the works about it. >> you make money off sex. you make money off death. you make money off crime. >> the press calls the case the beverly hills mansion murders. >> and the story reads like one of the unsold scripts that circulate here in hollywood. >> we enter into the world of the television news soap opera, a story of basic instincts, anger and fear. >> i was scared, and i just wanted him to leave me alone. >> and so broadcast journalism loses its purity and becomes much more shoddy, sensationalistic. and then it

all comes together with oj simpson. >> i'm larry carol in los angeles. >> the los angeles county district attorney has just filed murder charges against orenthal james oj simpson. okay, i'm going to have to interrupt this call. i understand we're going to go to a live picture in los angeles. police believe that that o.j. simpson is in that car. >> the o.j. simpson story starts with the chase and then goes on to his arrest, and then culminates with the trial, which goes on and on and on and is televised day after day after day. >> this is going to be a long trial. >> there's a lot of evidence to come in the o.j. simpson case was such a national phenomenon that those of us who were covering it just live this case 24 hours a day, because there was so much demand for people talking about it. >> as simpson struggled to slide the gloves onto his hands and turn toward jurors, saying

they're too small, prosecutors were incensed the trial was on television during the hours that had traditionally been the time for soap operas. >> he appears to have pulled the gloves on counsel, and oj was very much a soap opera. >> he was impeached by his own witness. >> i ask that you put a stop to it. >> either put cordoba on the stand, stop her from stand up and speak when it's your turn. >> no question that the best tv show of the 90s was the o.j. simpson trial, and everybody on it was riveting. >> nbc news in depth tonight, the simpson trial finally winding to a close. >> we, the jury in the above entitled action, find the defendant or orenthal james simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal code section 187 a. >> the verdict of the o.j. simpson trial, viewed by 150 million people. it's more people than watch presidential election returns. that's crazy, because there

was trial footage every day. >> cnn saw its audience increase like five times the success of cnn was not lost on other people. and so there were competing forces coming into play. >> how delighted i am that we've now reached this moment when we can firmly announce the starting of a fox news channel. >> unfortunately, with with cable news and the ability or the need to be on the air 24 over seven where you're trying to get as many eyeballs as possible at one time to gravitate toward those stories that are sensational. you know, it brought us the ability to go too far. >> is the jonbenet ramsey murder investigation turning into a media circus? >> yes, it's tabloid, but on the other hand, it's a tabloid era. and here's the point. here's where the fear comes into it. i think, larry, it's the fear that says, gosh, if we don't cover it big time, our competition is. and when they

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now with 150 channels that might be available in the near future. >> there are more choices than ever before, and it's a tough job. you have to try and get a sense of what is the audience going to really make an attachment to? in the 90s, cable was coming on strong, so we had to examine who were we going to be? well, we wanted to be smart, sophisticated comedy. >> six months ago, i was living in boston. >> my wife had left me, which was very painful. then she came back to me, which was excruciating. >> well, you know, i thought frasier was dead with cheers. but we thought we got a built in audience and great potential for, you know, building out the character to another place. no frasier was kind of like one

act plays. >> mother and i moved here when i was a small boy. >> after the tragic death of my father. >> i kept the pain of that loss buried deep within me like a serpent coiled within a damp cave. okay. that's it. >> we always assumed the audience was smarter than most other people did. >> and we played to that. she is just unschooled, like liza doolittle finding the right henry higgins. >> she'll be ready for a ball in no time. >> leave it to you to put the pig back in pygmalion. thank you. >> kelsey grammer played pomposity like nobody you've ever seen and got huge laughs. >> i considered a move until my fingers have completely cleared the piece. >> well, what's taking so long? >> i am analyzing my options. >> unlike your winged approach, i like to plan a strategy like a general leading his troops into battle. >> checkmate, schwarzkopf.

>> i think frasier probably stands as the single most successful spin off, at least in the history of sitcoms. >> and the emmy goes to frasier. >> frasier. >> frasier we were lightning hot, and it was critical for us to be leading the way, not just following. >> friends is about that time in your life when your friends are your family. when david crane and i lived in new york, we were part of a group of six people. >> we were all attached at the hip, and we went everywhere together and celebrated everything together. oh. and there's that period where you're looking to be out there on your own, and the people you rely on are the ones who live down the hall. >> here we go. pivot

pivot. pivot. >> pivot. pivot. pivot. shut up, shut up, shut up. >> friends permeated the culture in a way that was really special. >> everybody was obsessed with the show, and it became like. >> which one of these characters are you? if you were a girl, were you phoebe, monica or rachel? >> i gotta tell you, this really does put me in a better mood. >> the kids who were watching the young audience five, six, seven, eight saw a lifestyle that was aspirational. i wish i had an apartment in new york city that no one seems to be worried about the rent for. i wish that i looked like matt leblanc. i wish that i had jennifer aniston's hair. >> one of the things that made friends a phenomenon was that people beyond the laughs actually bonded with these characters.

>> they emotionally were invested in ross and rachel's. relationship could not have done this without you. okay. um, uh, more clothes in the dryer. >> no, i was dropping my daughter off for sunday school at our temple. and literally my rabbi stopped me and said, what's going to happen with ross and rachel? >> i was really pretty tonight. oh, thanks. >> the one with the prom video is one of my favorites. >> you guys, we don't have to watch this. yeah. we do. >> come on. where's chip? >> why isn't he here yet? >> he'll be here. okay. take a chill pill. >> this seemed like a really surprising way to get rachel to know how ross feels. >> i can't go to my own prom without a date. >> take her. you could wear my tux. >> dad, she wouldn't want to go with me. >> she's learning something new, and he thinks, oh, god, please don't let her see this.

please don't let her see this. >> rachel, ready or not, here comes your knight in shining. >> oh, no. don't okay, champ. >> oh, dear. >> ross sees himself, and you see that look on his face. and how sad he is, because he wanted to take her to the prom when she crossed the room, i still kind of get chills from it. >> when she crossed the room and gave him that kiss. the audience went insane. >> at the height of my see tv thursday nights on nbc, 75 million americans watched thursday night. that was at the time,

one third of the country. >> ooh. >> what is this stuff? >> the sweater. it's angora. >> well, it's wonderful. >> the machine that was nbc in the 90s for comedy was untouchable. >> you're not from around here, are you? >> it generated so much viewership and money and awards. >> we do not need this at the top of our wedding cake. why not? it's not a scrapbook. it's a freezer. >> no, we kind of all were part of. >> i think, this chapter in television where we realized we were in the right place at the right time. >> let's see how you like this naughty boy. whoa, whoa whoa. >> we certainly associate nbc of the 90s with having extremely successful sitcoms, but they weren't the only network that found their way to having some success. tgif was on abc on friday, and it was their block of family oriented comedies. >> i can't take it. i need cake.

>> oh, michelle. michelle. >> it was not sophisticated television, but these were shows that people adored. oh cbs. cbs was in a really bad spot. they had just fallen apart over the early part of the 90s, and they'd gone through a couple of different network executives. who. but then suddenly they had this hit with an unknown comic. this was the era of seinfeld. no hugging, no learning. and this was a show being made as if it was produced in the era of the dick van dike show. i love you. there was hugging. there was learning. i love you, son. >> all right. >> if you worked for me, your job was to go home, get in a fight with your wife, and come back in and tell me about it. >> don't sleep on the couch. >> i just cleaned down there. >> in fact, the pilot i put in

this true thing that happened to me wherein i sent my parents a gift for the holidays of the fruit of the month club. >> and did you know you sent me a box of pears from a place called fruit of the month? >> that's right, that's right. how are they? >> and my mother reacted as if i had sent her a box of heads from a murderer. why did you do this to me? >> god, i can't talk to you with fruit in the house. >> what is happening? >> what do you think? we are? invalids. >> we can't go out and get our own fruit. i tried to tell him. >> all right. >> i'm canceling the fruit club. >> the real story is where the real connection with your audience is. thank god all your families are crazy, too. >> looks like you got the whole family together. >> yeah, yeah, it's dysfunction palooza. >> andy anderson, take a seat.

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to take a bow and say thank you and good night. >> 30 years is enough you know, it's a good time to get out while you're still on top of your game plan. johnny carson, retiring in the early 90s, was the great moment where a huge chunk of the ice shelf breaks off, something that has been there for centuries, for thousands of years. >> suddenly is no longer there. >> it's tremendous part of history, and that's lovely to have made your mark on an era like that. >> johnny had told no one what he planned to do, and we weren't prepared. and that set off a game of musical chairs for who would get the throne. and there only was one late night throne. >> hi you guys. jay leno had been pretty much carson's regular substitute host when he went on vacation. >> you know what's amazing now? >> this is true. >> only six months ago, people were talking about donald trump as a presidential candidate. right. that's true. >> now, since then, he's had an affair. >> he's left his wife. he's run up a debt of several

million dollars. >> so i guess he's going to be running as a democrat, huh jay leno wanted to essentially just continue doing a johnny carson type show. >> and david letterman was the show immediately following carson, and they had different styles. >> what is your name? >> i'm going to ask you to turn the cameras off, please. >> okay. we just wanted to drop off this basket of fruit. >> part of dave's thing used to always be attacking authority. >> he liked that. >> cut the cameras, please. >> he needed a corporate bad guy to go up against. i was oftentimes that target. i can hear this. >> this warren littlefield guy whining all year long about not getting his name on the card last year. >> so he's. well, what about. >> look, what about me? just put her on there. >> me? i can be on there, couldn't i? >> it was always letterman's dream to be the host of the tonight show. >> he idolized johnny carson. rightfully so. >> the big decision that's had the entertainment industry buzzing is due this week. that, of course, is the fate of nbc's late night stars jay

leno and david letterman. >> most of us thought the person who deserved to get it was david letterman. he didn't get it. jay leno got it. >> leno, who earlier rode his motorcycle into a news conference hosted by nbc entertainment president warren littlefield, still has a bruised ego about the way the network wavered in its support for him. >> when we found out that leno was going to get the tonight show, we were all obviously. >> depressed. we felt like we were being punished for making fun of them and not cooperating and not being as collaborative as we could have been. uh, and we also felt like we were being disrespected because we did 11 years of great shows. >> just how off are you? >> by all rights? david letterman should have taken

over for johnny carson, but his agent took a very, very aggressive stand. we're going to really control all of the late night. um, it's going to cost you a fortune. and they put our backs to the wall. >> i can only tell you that it has been an honor and a privilege to come into your homes all these years and entertain you. >> and i hope when i find something that i want to do, and i think you will like and come back, that you'll be as gracious, inviting me into your home as you have been, i bid you a very heartfelt good night but tonight's show, without johnny carson as the regular host made its debut last night. >> jay leno emerged from behind the curtain, stepping into the big shoes that were filled for 30 years by johnny. >> cbs came to us and made a very attractive offer. >> here we go. number ten head cbs. tails cbs. number nine. >> letterman did place a call to johnny carson asking for his advice. and johnny said, if it was me, i would leave. and i

think that advice was really the the linchpin. letterman always took johnny's advice. >> the late night wars are about to begin in earnest on american television. david letterman is now headed for cbs. >> cbs had lured him over with a salary more than four times that of leno, and given him what he really wanted. the 1130 time slot. now, as dave and jay prepare to go head to head, one thing is clear. late night tv will never be quite the same. >> all of a sudden there's a talk show war. >> start up your remote controls. >> the late night race is about to begin. on monday, david letterman's new show debuts here on cbs, followed a week later by chevy chase on fox and a week after that by conan o'brien on nbc. these combatants join the tonight show with jay leno, arsenio, and nightline. >> it became a crowded space, and the competition became that

much more difficult in the third quarter, his ratings fading rapidly. >> arsenio hall some tv writers think that arsenio could be the big loser in this free for all. >> when letterman came in, essentially diluted arsenio's brand because there were so many alternatives. >> i'm sad to see you go because america is going to have a big chunk missing out of its existence. >> losing arsenio. yeah, it was bad. he was the lone voice gone. >> david letterman had the suits at nbc. pausing for a moment. did we make the right choice because he came out gangbusters and he was beating jay leno in the ratings. >> there are some people who say, you blew it, that by picking leno to replace carson over letterman, that that was a big programing mistake.

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>> don't you know cartoons will ruin your mind. >> ren and stimpy had some very surreal, high concept humor to it, and this is the beginning of the splintering of the television audience and the splintering of the family audience. really. >> i mean, because happy, happy joy, joy with families having 3 or 4 tvs in the house, you had a kid watching nickelodeon, you had the dad watching espn sports, you had the mom watching lifetime. >> you know, they were in their own separate universes, watching television. >> by the time of the 90s, mtv wasn't merely a music channel. they were having great success in terms of creating shows that incorporated music, but that also were shows and programs that stood on their own. yes that was cool. certainly beavis and butt-head sort of established what mtv could be, because the show was about people making fun of music videos, just like people in the audience were doing. one. check out his neck, yeah, just like

all these bones and. >> vestiges moving around. >> yeah. >> my manager would call me like, hey, you got this big bump because you were on beavis and butt-head last night. i'm able to express, and i sit there just like a donut watching these guys. >> now it's four, and i find them endlessly entertaining because i know and you know, and the world knows. these guys are always will be and cannot be anything but idiots. >> that's right. >> la da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da. >> mtv has a detrimental, damaging developmental effect on the sexuality and on the morality and on the spirituality, on the maybe even the physical development of our young people oh. >> now we hit the 90s, and once you can go for an audience of 5 million and have a successful show, you can say, i don't care if the parents don't like

this. can i tell you something, miss ellen? >> of course. >> wendy. don't fk with me. >> what? you heard me. stay away from my man,, or i'll whoop your sorry. back to last year, trey parker and matt stone were two of the funniest people i ever met, and their success story is proof that if you just stay true to yourself, you don't have to do anything else. >> people think, oh, you came and did this show and now you're big sellouts. the truth is, i mean, we were sellouts to begin with. >> perhaps there is no stopping the corporate machine. >> i mean, we were sleeping at friends houses, had no money, and then one fox executive had seen a cartoon we had made in college, and he said, make me another christmas video that i can send out as a christmas card. and, you know, he gave us like 700 bucks and we went and made this five minute short. >> i come seeking retribution. >> he's come to kill you because you're jewish. kyle. oh, it went around the tv

community like wildfire, yo. >> i mean, it was the funniest thing you'd ever seen in your life. go, santa. >> somebody showed me the short go. jesus! i thought it was hysterical. so i called and said, get them in here right away. oh, my god, they've killed kenny! >> you! >> south park was able to be topical. yes. come here, old pal. >> saddam hussein. >> south park really, really detests hypocrites. christians and republicans and nazis. oh, my. >> well, okay, mrs. cartman, i'll legalize 40th trimester abortions for you. >> oh could you imagine back then that these people would ever get on network television, or any kind of television? >> ha ha. it's a miracle.

south park is a miracle. >> in the early 90s, the hbo show starts to kind of come into their own now. >> dan, have i always had these these breasts? >> a lot of people want freedom. they don't want to go back to the networks, which are saying, you can come to us where you'll make more money, but you also have content restricted. you could go to cable and have no restrictions, not make as much money, but have freedom of expression, which almost everybody who works in these mediums wants. >> some of the content truly was. you can't get this anywhere else. >> here at fantasy makers, the only limit on the kinds of fantasies is people's imagination. >> hbo turned to people who had said, i can't do that on television, but you can do it on hbo. >> white people don't trust black people. that's why they won't vote for no black

president. like a black brother will up the white house like the grass won't be cut, dishes piled up, cousins running through the white house, cookouts, basketball goal in the back in the late 80s, hbo was just sort of gaining ground for series. >> by the 90s, hbo had started to begin its explosion. >> when we started doing dream on, one of the things that hbo said to us was it's got to be something that couldn't be on network tv. >> because hbo was driven by subscribers and not by commercials and selling advertising time, they had a different way of looking at success or failure. what they were looking for was critical acclaim. >> you have watched letterman, you've watched leno. >> but what about larry? larry sanders, that is, he's the tv alter ego of comedian garry shandling.

>> garry shandling wanted to do a show that deconstructed the kind of show that the tonight show was. >> just pretend like you're talking to me until we're off the air, so it won't seem weird. >> okay, so blah blah blah blah blah blah. >> the larry sanders show was sort of cathartic because in the world of the larry sanders show, there was a network. >> do you want me to with your budget? is that what you want me to do? >> so it became this weird funhouse mirror thing where you could use stuff from your misery, from your career as fodder. i don't take this as a threat, but i killed a man like you in korea, hand to hand. my boy doesn't want to do any more commercials. >> larry sanders, to me, was, you know, aside from being a brilliant television show, can you say, uh, hey, now? yeah, it was my everyday life. >> i'm here for three good reasons. >> last show, big ratings, movie coming out. >> bim bam boom. >> the larry sanders show was very unique in that it was very

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youthquake cover, that was a sign that suddenly television was focused on these young people. it's what i gotta do. my so-called life was like the punk rock version of 900. 210. it was earnest, but not at all saccharine. it didn't have easy answers. it showed teen heartbreak in a way that was staggeringly real for the time. are you like this? >> like what? >> like how you are. hey, jordan, are you coming or not? >> how am i? how? how am i? >> my so-called life was your actual life. >> and the idea that everyone in high school is a misfit, that you have this deep insecurity about who you're supposed to be. >> you know how sometimes the last sentence you said, like, echoes in your brain, and it just keeps sounding stupider,

and you have to say something else just to make it stop. oh, i just remembered. i, um, i owe you $30. >> my so-called life was not necessarily the show that the cheerleader or the captain of the football team were watching. they were still watching 90,000 210. but it was the people who maybe didn't recognize themselves in 90,200 zero who felt like, aha! now i recognize myself and my so-called life. >> demarco asked me if you were getting a sex change. >> exactly. >> i don't want to be a girl. i just want to hang with girls. >> ricky was out on the show eventually, and that was a story line that was treated with great sensitivity. >> i belong nowhere with no one. >> that i don't fit. >> i mean, it was it was so deeply felt. it was saying to the viewer things that you have gone through. they matter. >> buffy the vampire slayer depicted high school in a similar way to my so-called

life, except rather than just feeling like hell, it actually was hell. her high school was literally built on top of hell. and so all of these creatures would come up that she would have to fight. >> 3 in 1 night. >> and it was a brilliant metaphor for adolescence and all the demons that you have to slay. >> you know, buffy was a teenager and she was still finding out who she was one of the story lines that was very popular and much talked about was where she has sex with her boyfriend for the first time and then in sort of the world of buffy, he becomes literally evil. >> there must be some part of you inside that still remembers who you are. >> dream on. schoolgirl. >> in order to save the world, literally, she knows that she has to send him to hell.

buffy knows in an instant that angel has become good again buffy. and so she has this moment of reckoning that she has to decide whether to do this or not, and she makes the sacrifice to push him back into hell. >> the show was really working on multiple levels, and in buffy in particular, we saw a character that was a reluctant protagonist forced to make tough decisions there was a kind of opening of the floodgates in the 90s for women. >> the idea of being an ideal, i think, was kind of smashed through a lot of the characters on television. >> look, if you are a successful single woman in this city, you have two choices. >> you can bang your head against the wall and try and find a relationship. >> or you can say, screw it and just go out and have sex like a man

sex and the city was a huge success right from the start. >> it was very funny and very clever and very candid. >> our relationships, the religion of the 90s. >> these are women who were making a good living. >> they were independent, they were single, and they were sort of feeling their power. >> i said all of them bad waiter, bad waiter. what do you tip for that? >> i wanted these women to be objectifying their men in the way that men had always objectified women. >> all righty. my turn. >> oh, sorry. i have to go back to work. >> you didn't used to be able to discuss sex as sex on network shows. >> there never were people talking about orgasms or organs or sex. >> okay? words are essential. >> tell me exactly how he worded it. >> we've been seeing each other for a couple of weeks. >> i really like you. >> and tomorrow night after dinner, i want us to have anal sex. >> these were women who shared everything with each other.

>> and they were discussing what anal sex means. >> if he goes up there, there's going to be a shift in power. >> either he'll have the upper hand or you will. >> and should she do this or not? >> this is a physical expression that the body was well, it was designed to experience. and p.s. it's fabulous. >> what are you talking about? >> i went to smith. >> the show took an interesting turn by really focusing on the relationship between the women and telling the story of them as really soulmates together as well. >> you did the right thing buying that apartment. you love it, right? yeah. and you won't be alone forever. >> historically, women are often set up in narratives in which only one can succeed, and so competing with and as supporting each other was also an important narrative change. >> okay, girls, see you tomorrow. okay. okay. >> night night. >> the show had a message of freedom and liberation, especially for women.

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>> in 1991, we got a call from mtv and they were toying with the idea of doing some kind of a scripted show about young people. >> they said it was like a mixture between the big chill and the breakfast club, but ultimately decided the idea of a show with writers and actors would just be too expensive for them. >> the real world i guess that's what this was supposed to be. >> so we essentially applied all the drama rules to documentary to get our what we call at that time a docu soap. >> this is the true story. >> true story. >> seven strangers. >> it was kind of a social experiment to kind of watch what happens when you put these things together in a house. you know, when people stop being polite and start getting real. >> do you sell drugs? >> why do you have a beeper? >> oh, you hadn't seen anything like that on television. that kind of open, honest discussion of race. >> i could try as much as i can to try to deal with you, but ignorance is ignorance. stupidity is stupidity. and that's it. black. white. green. purple. blue. whatever. the real world becomes this

kind of big bang moment for reality tv, where the idea is that, oh my god, all we have to do is just take cameras and put them on people and we'll get great stuff. you had in the next season in l.a., a young woman who gets an abortion and the camera literally goes right up to the doctor's door. >> okay. >> by the third season in san francisco, you have a young man who is dealing with aids. >> i'm hiv positive when pedro told me he was hiv positive, it was just like, no, not him. >> i like this guy and i don't want him to have to suffer. >> it was such a triumph that pedro had the courage at his age to come out as someone with aids in my small gay community on campus. we all felt like, wow, he was our hero. >> he falls in love and he and his partner sean have a ceremony. you know, and this is long before same sex marriage was legal. the tv shows weren't doing this. movies weren't doing this. >> i have to believe that all

the pain that i'm going through, that all the anger, the all the frustration that there's something bigger than that. >> aids has claimed a young man who made an enormous impact on a generation of young americans. pedro zamora died in miami today at the age of 22. >> i'm really glad i got to know pedro zamora. >> i'm grateful that his rich and fulfilling work is still remembered today, and i hope you enjoy and learn from pedro's life of compassion and fearlessness. >> you have to really credit the real world with sort of helping the acceptance of the lgbt community, because there weren't many portrayals of gay people, period. you know, on television at that point. >> her name is marla. >> i'm seeing a woman. >> in the 90s. gay characters were always secondary or third. there was never a gay character that was the lead of a show.

>> so you want to go look at apartments tomorrow? >> great idea. ellen degeneres, the comedian, was about to come out as a lesbian. look, murphy. >> was on the cover of time, and she does it on time magazine. >> yep, i'm gay. but they decide that the character that ellen plays on tv will also come out. >> it is just reprehensible that abc, now owned by disney of all companies, is going to feature ellen as coming out of the closet. it won't be long before god knows what you know. beastiality and says who knows? >> we were getting bomb threats. >> disney was really getting a lot of flak for even thinking about having a coming out episode with ellen. i'm 35 years old. i'm so afraid to tell people. i mean, i just susan, i'm gay.

>> ellen coming out was a huge moment for me personally because, you know, i was a closeted gay guy, gay child at that time, and it was the bravest thing i saw. >> that felt great. >> that felt so great. initial reports suggest abc made a bundle on ellen's highly publicized outing on national tv last night. >> the broadcast was accompanied by coming out parties all around the country, including one in birmingham, alabama, where the local abc station refused to broadcast the show. >> she did a great thing. she was brave. >> i made the decision that i wasn't going to live my life as a lie anymore. >> i was. >> i belong with everybody else and that's what i finally did. >> we used to say ellen opened the door and we knocked it down. that is her. >> i love my mister man.

>> tell me i'm lazy. >> tell me slow. tell me i'm crazy. maybe i know. >> can't help lovin dat man of mine. >> take a jacket and a beret and pot a beret and say i'm gay. >> will and grace was a great show in sort of helping a mainstream straight community connect to the gay community. >> i think i can fix this thing with your landlord, but i get a little ugly. >> play hardball baby. throw him low and inside he's crowding the plate. and we've got to go for sports. >> you're losing me. >> i figured 25% of the country wouldn't watch the show, just based on the fact that we had two gay men on it. give it to me. but if we could make believe that will and grace would get together. >> well, i told you, you live with a hetero long enough. you're going to catch it. >> maybe we could get people to

watch thinking that would happen, knowing it would never happen. >> suffering. sappho. >> you know, it's a shame an image like this is completely wasted on us. >> i remember the network calling every other week saying, can will just fall in love with grace and the creators were like, well, that's weird. he's gay. that's the that gay people don't do that. that's why they're gay. um, why wasn't i your girlfriend? >> queerbait. >> will and grace was the first time you saw characters on television that made gay normal. you wanted to be friends with them. guess what? >> we are. >> uh, a catholic girl gone bad. >> and, karen, what are you supposed to be? no. >> the best feeling i get is when people come up and say. thank you for all you do for the gay community. and thank you for playing that part and

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is mine. >> great day in the morning, people. victory is mine and actors no longer felt that it was a comedown to come. >> work in television. >> what did i ever do to you except deliver the south? you shouldn't have made me beg the segment of the audience that showed up to watch west wing. >> they watched the macneil-lehrer newshour. they watched west wing and documentaries in foreign languages. right. >> if the name of this nominee is leaked out before, i want it to be leaked out. >> i'm going to blame you and you're going to find that unpleasant. >> i've got to tell you something, toby. you're hot when you're like, this 90s television was the first wave of what we now have. >> remarkably specific niche programing. >> freaks and geeks really sympathized with the

losers. it had great empathy for its characters. go on and laugh at me because you don't see that i got something going right here. >> freaks and geeks breaks my heart every time i think about it. >> oh, i'm sorry, did i crush your twinkies? >> it lasted 18 episodes and they're perfect. 18 episodes. but nbc hated it so much. yeah, yeah. >> roll down the windows because i got a big one, a brewing. oh, no. please don't. >> they thought it was a show by losers about losers. for losers. they hated it. they wanted no part of it, and they killed it. >> at the end of the 90s. the jig is starting to be up for the networks. you know, basically, quality migrates to cable. >> oz comes on in 97, and it's set in this fictional penitentiary. wow, what a strange show that was.

>> in oz. sometimes the things you can't touch are more real than the things you can. for instance, fear, hatred, loneliness. a more real to me than a shank and a soul. >> it was jaw droppingly violent, um, and it was a men's prison. it probably should be. but, you know, it kind of announces the idea that hbo is going to get very serious about doing scripted dramas. it's finished. >> it's over. >> but hbo really, in my mind, comes into its own in 1999 with the sopranos. you woke up as morning got yourself a gun, the sopranos just as one of those shows that was a benchmark, had changed. >> like a lot of things for everybody. >> throw out the handbook, tony soprano, the lead actor in a drama. he

killed a man. we watched him. wake up his daughter on a college tour. pretty, huh? >> yeah, it was just a melding of a guy and a world and a door open a door and a behavior that promoted all the feelings that you would have for a guy that you love in a guy that you hate. you know. >> sopranos came on tv and it really showed us the future. whether we realized that was going to be the future of television or not. >> this husband of yours, carmela, how much we love him. >> he's the best. >> it's like a father to me. >> just make sure nothing happens to him. >> that character in that show was a great inspiration to a great many shows that came after it, including one that i worked on. >> you know what i want, tony? >> i want those kids to have a father. they got one. this one

me, tony soprano and all that comes with it. oh, you. >> the 90s is an amazing decade of tv. some of my favorite shows of all time aired in that decade, and everybody was watching them. there was still that communal sense from the earlier decades of tv, but it was being applied to shows that were reaching higher and farther, and they were great. because there were so many channels and because so much storytelling was going on. you started to get more variety of stories being told, get the skull film, schedule a cat scan and call the neurosurgery resident. >> objection. >> television showed us women in their depth. it began to show us much more of a range of the african american community. >> i'm always here for you. >> we started focusing on teenagers in a more realistic way. >> things change, dawson, evolve. >> what are you talking about? >> and thinking a little more outside the box in terms of what people might want to watch. >> you're out of order. he's out of order. this whole trial

is sexy. >> after ten years of the 90s, we had a whole new television world that could take us any place we wanted and even places we had never imagined. >> was that the oven timer? >> that's right, my friend. >> it's time for. >> baywatch. >> oh, can you believe they gave stephanie skin cancer? >> i still can't believe they promoted her to lieutenant. wow, you're just saying that because you're in love with yasmine bleeth. well, how could anyone not be in love with yasmine bleeth hey, hey, they're running. >> see, this is the brilliance of the show. >> i say always keep them running. all the time. running? run! run, run,