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error. a u.s. official telling cnn that russia may have confused the passenger jet that crashed for ukrainian drone. as we hear from passengers who survived the terrifying crash. plus, a second stowaway on a second delta flight. this time, the person was caught just minutes before takeoff. so how does this keep happening? and breaking news. president elect donald trump tonight with a last minute request, asking the supreme court to save tiktok, at least for now. let's go up front. good evening everyone. i'm kate bolduan in for erin burnett. outfront tonight, a deadly mix up. cnn is learning tonight that russian forces may have confused the passenger jet that crashed on christmas day for a ukrainian drone. that is, according to a u.s. official. video shows the jet plunging to the ground in kazakhstan and then bursting into flames. 38 people were killed. we know that around the same time, the azerbaijan airlines jet was scheduled to land in southern

russia, there was in fact a ukrainian drone strike in that area. and today, the white house national security council spokesman, john kirby. he pointed the finger directly at russia. >> we do have have seen some early indications that would certainly point to the possibility that this jet was brought down by russian air defense systems. do you have actual some kind of intelligence or information, whether it's like infrared or something that beyond just sort of the the informed speculation we've been seeing? short answer to your question, court, is, is yes yet russia appears desperate to try and shift blame anywhere else. >> now suggesting the pilot of the doomed jet is at fault. just listen to one top russian aviation official tonight. >> the aircraft commander made two attempts to land the aircraft in grozny, which were

unsuccessful. the commander was offered other airports, but he decided to proceed with the aktau airport. >> so that's the angle from russia, from azerbaijan, where the flight and airline originated. its preliminary investigation says that the crash was caused by, quote, physical and technical, external interference. and now we're hearing for the first time from passengers who who survived that crash. >> amit mehta. >> sally seymour al-awda about 20 or 30 minutes after takeoff, we felt two explosions. the plane was supposed to land, but it didn't. something exploded inside twice. a man's hand was injured. we panicked. >> unbelievable. nada. bashir is out front. live in london for us tonight. and not a more survivors of the crash are speaking out and sharing harrowing accounts of what they experienced. what more are you learning? >> that's right. we've been hearing harrowing accounts, but also seeing video footage filmed just moments before the

crash took place. and these videos will be crucial for investigators as they continue to examine evidence to try and piece together what exactly led to this plane crash. we've been taking a look at one of those passengers who recounted those final moments, both on board the plane and then, remarkably, as he survived and received care in a hospital. take a look. geert wilders muhammad subhonkul rakhimov thought he was plunging to his death. he said he heard a bang before oxygen masks dropped, reciting the shahada. the muslim proclamation of faith. he says what he had thought to be his final prayer. according to azerbaijan airlines, the plane had faced physical and technical external interference as the pilot attempted an emergency landing, the plane burst into flames upon impact. 38 people on board did not survive.

>> allahu akbar. >> remarkably, rahimov was among 29 people who survived the crash. after the bang. i already had my mind set that something bad would happen, because it was clear that the plane had received some damage. rahimov says. and when the plane started behaving unusually, then it became 100% clear. i realized then that it was all over and decided i should film my final minutes. accounts from survivors like rahimov give a rare first hand glimpse into the terrifying final moments of the flight, and potentially what may have caused the crash. azerbaijani sources and a u.s. official say preliminary evidence suggests the plane may have been hit by russian air defenses. a possible case, one u.s. official told cnn of mistaken identity with the russian city of grozny. the flight's intended destination under ukrainian drone attack at the time. for those on board, it was a

terrifying physical and emotional ordeal. for a brief moment, passengers thought they were out of danger. but when the caspian sea appeared, the clouds dispersed and the plane began to behave unusually, rahimov says, the feeling of tension began to increase, both for other passengers and for myself. russian authorities have yet to respond to allegations that their air defenses may have played a part in the fatal crash, but clear perforations in the fuselage point to shrapnel or debris hitting the plane while still in the air, according to several aviation experts. the hope now is that recovered black boxes will provide more definitive information regarding the plane's final moments. >> we have what we see. >> i was conscious when i felt the impact. i was thrown up and down and back up again. i was strapped in, yet i was being thrown back and forth. rahimov

recounts. it all lasted for a few seconds, then everything went quiet. there was silence. everything was calm, and i realized that that was it. we had landed. and we have been getting updates throughout the day, one u.s. official telling cnn that the whole scene in the fuselage and the wreckage are consistent with potential shrapnel damage as a result of an explosion. so further leading into that speculation that this may have been caused by russian anti-aircraft air defense systems. but again, it is still up to investigators to continue to examine the evidence at hand. and of course, with regards to those black boxes that have been recovered, authorities say it could take around two weeks to complete their assessment. >> kate. and we focus on those on the investigation. but my goodness, hearing those accounts, it is just unbelievable that they lived through what they did. not a thank you so much for your reporting. and out front with us now, cnn aviation analyst miles o'brien, retired army major general james spider

marks and seth jones, national security expert and senior vice president at the center for strategic and international studies. miles, i want to start with you with the latest of what we're just learning about this plane crash. you hear those remarkable, terrifying first hand accounts from that survivor of the crash. what stands out to you? >> well, first of all, what a remarkable kind of clear eyed, cool headed account from a passenger who's been through an amazing, harrowing ordeal. it's just it's frightening to even think about what he's been through. but for him to relate what he had done for us in such a factual way was, was helpful, i think. but you know what i've been thinking about a lot this afternoon, kate, is the decision to dispatch that aircraft. the airline does have a lot of responsibility in all of this. it was not a secret that those drone attacks were

occurring in the grozny region. it was not a secret that in order to thwart a drone attack, you jam gps, which of course is an aid to navigation for civilian airliners. it was not a secret that this was, you know, for all intents and purposes, a battle zone. and for that matter, the russians should have closed the airspace, but they did not. so the fact that that aircraft was even in that area stands out to me right now. there are a whole sequence of events which led to what we're seeing here right now on top of that. but like any accident, it's always a series of events. and if you pull one of those events out of it, oftentimes it doesn't happen. >> and russia also now miles is suggesting it was the pilot's fault because they were given different landing options. and russia says they didn't take it. you know, a second black box from the plane has now been recovered. is is the is that interaction some clarity on that? i mean, is that what the

black box could provide? >> it, uh, it never hurts when you're a guilty party to blame a dead pilot. frankly, they don't refute the claim to blame the pilot. and this is, uh, beneath contempt. frankly, what they did was, in my view, rather heroic. they tried to land in bad weather conditions. the gps probably made it even more difficult. they probably flew an abnormal flight path as a result of the missed approach. mistaken for another aircraft. a hostile aircraft shot down and then or shot at. and then were able to limp that aircraft across the caspian sea. an extraordinary bit of airmanship, in my view. >> yeah. miles, thank you as always. it's very good to see you. i really appreciate your time tonight. i want to go now to spider marks and seth jones. spider, how easy should it be for a military to distinguish between a drone and a commercial airliner? what does

it say if the russians couldn't tell the difference? >> well, essentially, kate, there are there are two ways to do it. one is you're going to do it by radar. you're going to have some type of a return on a screen. and then secondarily, you're going to have visual identification, um, and what it appears at this point. and again, realize this is all conjecture on our part until all the facts are in, is that it looks like as a result of the aborted attempted landing at grozny, they were close enough to the ground and ground based air defense systems, which are dumb weapon systems. you're essentially shooting bullets into the sky. managed to hit the target. at least that's the initial view that we have right now. but a drone is going to have a much different, frankly, a very erratic pattern in order to do what it's trying to do relative to a commercial aircraft, which is a very predictable, low, slow at this point kind of approach into an

airfield. so trying to as, as miles indicated, victim blaming. blaming is a very cheap way out of this thing and probably a very predictable narrative that we're going to see. but it wouldn't be confusion on the ground. it's it certainly is just the combination of an incredibly capable military, the russian military, which is immensely led by feckless leadership. that combination is incredibly dangerous. and we're seeing that right now. >> yeah, seth, you say that it will be telling if it turns out russia's military was at fault, why? >> well, kate, one of the things that's been interesting is i've had multiple conversations over the last two weeks with senior ukrainian officials, including ones involved in building their drone program. and what we have seen is a notable increase in domestically produced, although the parts are coming from outside drones that the ukrainians are using for long range strike with higher payloads against russian

targets in russia itself. so things like air bases, uh, logistics hubs, weapons depots and some of the the drones that they're using actually are small airplanes that they've pulled out the manned components and put in components to allow them to be remotely controlled, put on high volumes of explosives, and then use them for essentially suicide attacks into targets. so, you know, in, in a sense, there there's sort of this interesting psychological effect that it's having that it may be having on the russians where they're a little trigger sensitive right now because they're they're seeing so many of these drones target various aspects of russian territory. >> mhm. and spider, do you think that russia will hold anyone accountable if it is on them? and will russia be held

accountable by the international community if it is on them? >> well, the international community, let's be a little bit cynical about this, has little capability to hold anyone accountable. they have no enforcement mechanisms. so there may be an attempt to identify how this came together. and then i and then if russia is in fact, let's just give them the fact that they shot this thing down. there's very little promise that anybody will be held accountable. russia, on its part, might hold a bunch of folks accountable and make that very visible, but that's all internal for a domestic audience. the external audience, in that case should be very, very cynical about that result. >> and speaking internally, seth, you've been analyzing how russian state media is covering this crash. what are you seeing? >> well, it's very interesting and very telling and not surprising looking at russian propaganda over the last

several decades. frankly, multiple decades, the russians have a concept which we can call a fire hose of falsehood. so they they used it, for example, during the malaysian airlines 17 crash, where they push out high volumes of information on multiple channels. so i was looking at sputnik and rt, a number of social media platforms raising questions about whether it was other causes. so we've seen pilot error. we saw just earlier. we've seen weather related issues, including fog. we have seen ukrainians blamed on multiple platforms. we've seen an oxygen tank come up in russian propaganda. all of these are designed with kind of a basis in psychology to confuse individuals watching. and just to be clear, this is misinformation. this is these are blatant russian media lies to try to confuse individuals both internally but also

externally about the causes of this, because they certainly do not want to take responsibility. so this is classic russian propaganda staying true to form. >> gentlemen, thank you both so much. it is good to see you this evening. outfront for us next. another stowaway busted for sneaking on to a delta flight. how does this keep happening? and what does it say about the security at america's airports right now? plus, breaking news, president elect donald trump going to bat for tiktok tonight, asking the supreme court to postpone next month's ban. so why now? and one democrat with a simple solution on how to start winning again, he says act like a normal human being. is it just that? >> you only come across an artist like luther vandross once in a lifetime? >> he was a boss from the beginning. luther said, i have a sound in my head. i got to get it out. you are my shining star. >> my. >> it was the most exciting time in the world. >> his life had extremely

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pass. the night before, then boarded the flight the next day. they were discovered while the plane was taxiing for takeoff. it is the second stowaway incident with delta in just really the last month. right around thanksgiving, you'll remember. a russian national and u.s. permanent resident bypassed security and made it all the way from new york to paris. carla suarez is outfront for us now. carlos, walk us through what happened this time. >> well, kate, there are so many questions tonight about what happened, including just how much time this unticketed passenger spent at this terminal before boarding this flight. there's also, of course, the question of how this person was able to get past a tsa security checkpoint without a boarding pass in the first place. the night before this flight on christmas eve. and then there's also the fact that when the flight crew realized that there was a stowaway on board that aircraft and they decided to turn the plane back around, when that aircraft gets back to the gate, we're told that this person managed to run out of the

airplane before law enforcement arrived. and so we're told that authorities actually had to rely on surveillance video from the airport in seattle to figure out exactly where this person was. they were able to detain the person inside of a bathroom. here now, is another passenger that was on board that flight describing this entire ordeal. >> we were kind of left in the dark. it's kind of scary if somebody could just sneak on the plane like that. i don't think delta did everything they could to protect people on the flight. >> all right, kate, it's important to note here that according to the tsa, this passenger did not have any prohibited items. of course, delta airlines as well as tsa, is still trying to investigate how all of this could have taken place. >> kate, clearly great to see you. thank you so much. carlos. juliette kayyem joining me right now for more on this. juliette, how has this happened? twice in one month with the same airline. >> yes. well, let's start with delta. it clearly is a delta

issue. right now it might apply to other airlines. so we have to examine whether delta has recently changed any procedures or its employees under, you know, tremendous stress. what happened with that plane on the 25th that the guy was able to get off? there's a lot of issues around delta specifically that have to be addressed. but to be clear, this was a lot of failures, not just delta's, because at airports there's two sort of separate security aspects. i mean, the first is what's called identity verification. that's when you and i give our, uh, our i.d. and the tsa agent determines whether we are in fact, you know, juliette kayyem. the second one, though, is called the boarding status station. that's the one where you're getting onto the plane. that's ensuring that you have the right tickets. in both cases, very rare, but but in both cases, and relatively recently, both systems seem to have broken down. and this, you know, give, give the faa and airlines some credit. i mean,

there's about 2.9 million people daily, according to the faa on in aviation. so this is still a small part. but, you know, these are the last lines of defense. so they really do have to be tightened up. >> there also seems to be another security issue is when they brought the person, brought the plane back to the gate, and then the person was able to run off the plane before security arrived. >> yeah, that one is the one where i'm sort of like, what? like, i mean, i literally i cannot answer that one for you. generally, i try to give you an explanation. this one is some you don't have someone who does not have a boarding pass. you don't know what he has brought, what he has brought on, uh, who he is, whether he left something behind. did he check anything? you know, the other passengers? deserved that person being apprehended. and to determine that that wasn't a present security risk. instead, he's allowed off the plane. it's that piece of it is just absolutely inexplicable. i i'm

not giving excuses. it was christmas day. maybe some systems were a little bit weaker than they normally are, but that one is sort of inexplicable to me. >> so then what needs to be done? like what is the prescription here? because something should be fixed. if there are these levels of security and the system has failed. yeah, yeah. >> so i mean, we do have to go back and figure out something specifically with delta. that's something that's happening at their board boarding status stations, that's allowing people in is i'm curious, is there new technology? what were they using? old tickets. we'll learn all of these things to to try to get on. more generally, the system is under stress. we know more people are flying. so that's going to mean that we're going to need probably more personnel. look, this is not just impacting the people on the plane. i mean, the ripple effects of global aviation. if you have a delay in seattle, that's going to be felt in asia in a couple of minutes, right? because you have to control the airspace. and so we really do have to tighten it up here to ensure that it doesn't impact

people all over the world. >> yeah. and that's even beyond the beyond the scary security threat that that could potentially pose. it's great to see you, juliette. juliette, thank you so much for coming in front for us. next. breaking news, president elect donald trump throwing tiktok a lifeline for now. what he's now asking the supreme court to do. plus, a civil war erupting inside trump's party as maga takes on elon musk and vivek ramaswamy over immigration new year's eve live with anderson and andy. >> live coverage starts at eight on cnn. >> it's time to feed the dogs real food in the right amount. a healthy weight can help dogs live a longer, happier life. the farmer's dog makes weight management easy with fresh food. pre-portioned for your dog's needs. it's an idea whose time has come. >> kind of needs to be more squiggly.

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after he met with tiktok ceo at mar a lago earlier this month. alayna treene out front for us now near mar-a-lago and elena. what are you learning? >> well, kate, it's clear that donald trump's argument and push for a delay in the implementation of this ban puts him at odds with the biden administration, which in its own brief on friday as well defended the ban and argued that, you know, there was this warning of, quote, grave national security concerns about tiktok's continued operation in the u.s., with a key focus on concerns around china's influence on the u.s. through the platform. now, the key thing that the supreme court currently needs to weigh is whether or not this ban would violate first amendment rights. donald trump's brief and his team brief today did not really get into, you know, whether or not this violates the first amendment and what this case poses. but he did argue that essentially he wants this pause on the ban so that his incoming administration can try to negotiate some sort of deal

with tiktok. now, one thing that is clear is that tiktok is, of course, very popular in this country. it has 170 million users and monthly users, i should say. and donald trump has wavered on this in the past, but it's clear that recently he said that he wants to save the app, that he is warming to it. and as you mentioned, he did meet recently with tiktok ceo. kate. >> yeah, he did. elena, thank you so much for that. also tonight, the only person to ever lead both the cia and the fbi speaking out and saying that donald trump's picks to lead two critical intelligence posts are not fit to serve. we're talking about william webster. he writes in a letter to senators that will be considering the nomination that the close relationship between donald trump and kash patel has his who is his pick to run. the fbi raises serious concerns. he also writes that tulsi gabbard has a profound lack of experience for the director of national intelligence post. webster served under presidents carter, reagan, and george h.w. bush.

katelyn polantz out out front for us now in washington with much more on this. and caitlin, what else does he say in this letter? >> well, kate, william webster is one of the most esteemed people in law enforcement and national security in american history. and he is saying he is deeply concerned about these two choices of donald trump kash patel to lead the fbi and tulsi gabbard to be his choice to be the top spy. the director of national intelligence. webster says he's concerned about the impartiality of the people in these roles. he reminds senators in a letter on thursday that whenever he was serving under president carter and president reagan, there were one time each for each of those presidents where they reached out to him, and he made sure to tell them that his agency, the fbi at the time, would need to be independent and impartial. what he says about patel is specifically with this. patel is somebody who has said he wants to investigate the investigators, has been encouraged to investigate the january 6th committee on the hill and webster writes, while mr. patel's intelligence and

patriotism are commendable, his close political alignment with president trump raises serious concerns about impartiality and integrity. statements such as he's my intel guy and his record of executing the president's directives suggests a loyalty to individuals rather than the rule of law, a dangerous precedent for an agency tasked with impartial enforcement of justice. his issue with tulsi gabbard. it's a little bit different. he seems to have an issue more with her level of experience in handling intelligence. former army national guard veteran is what she is, as well as a former democratic congresswoman, he writes. congresswoman gabbard's profound lack of intelligence experience and the daunting task of overseeing 18 disparate intelligence agencies further highlight the need for seasoned leadership. this is no time in world history for a novice in the field to learn this role. both of these people have been on capitol hill meeting with senators, and it's ultimately going to be up to the u.s. senate to decide whether they will be confirmed as the nominees. kate.

>> caitlin, thank you so much for laying it out for us. joining me now, former democratic congressman mondelez jones and shermichael singleton, both here with me. thanks, guys, for being here. shermichael. that is a strong warning and a very clear description of why he thinks that they are not qualified from a man with singular experience, the only person to have ever led both the cia and the fbi. do you think patel and gabbard are in trouble i think gabbard is going to have a tough uphill battle, in part because of some of the statements we've seen from many republican senators on some of her positions on national security. >> i think that all of the other nominees will probably ultimately get confirmed from some of the things that i'm hearing. a lot of republicans do believe that trump was given a mandate to sort of act in a certain way in terms of appointments and ultimately confirming those appointments. it's very rare, kate, that you'll see the party senators of the party of the president elect vote against all of his nominees.

maybe 1st may not get past maybe two at most. uh, you know, there's historic precedent for that. but beyond that, i just don't see that happening. so so again, i think kash patel i think pete hegseth, i think even rfk could probably get confirmed. tulsi, i'm not necessarily sure, but everyone else, i think they'll probably ultimately go and lead and they'll follow the directive from the president elect, as they should. >> i think that's part of the a little bit, part of the issue that webster is taking here is following directives rather than being than impartiality. i mean, we'll see what kind of impact this letter has. but, congressman, you also heard the reporting from alayna treene, this breaking news that donald trump, um, making a formal request to the supreme court to basically pump the brakes and pause on the tiktok ban. i mean, we all covered how many times this was talked. republicans, democrats, they all agreed on this. biden signed this into law. mitch mcconnell signed a brief and just sent it to the high court saying, please don't block this ban. it's entirely consistent with the first amendment. and then there's this. it's kind of trump's at

odds with a lot of people on this one. i mean, does he face headwinds? who knows what the court will do? but just his reaction to this. >> yeah, this is the most billionaire thing ever the things i don't say often the the incoming president, a billionaire, cares very deeply about what the billionaire major investor in tiktok has to say. his name is larry ellison. he's been lobbying the president to put a pause on this. and so that's why you see the reversal in donald trump's position. in fact, he's taking a strong definitive position now in opposition to this, you know, forcible sale of tiktok. and it passed under a republican majority in the house of representatives with bipartisan support for reasons of national security. yeah. >> and because a guy this was long debated. i mean, it was talked about for quite some time. >> it was it was vetted in the press, i would say. i would say so. it was controversial. people were lobbying on both sides. members of congress didn't all agree on this. but

what happened was it was a robust process. and there was a result. and because someone who hosted a major fundraiser for the incoming president and who got a the president and ceo of a company he founded to also donate, i think, about $125,000, in addition to everything else that larry ellison has done for the incoming president, donald trump has reversed his position, and we're going to see that a lot. he is surrounding himself with people like elon musk. vivek ramaswamy, and others who care very deeply about any number of policy positions and who have helped him financially. >> it's unclear, though, what the what the pause and let us try to negotiate this beyond a ban would mean. but i mean really interested to see what the what the supreme court decides here and then shermichael then there is, as axios put it, a maga world civil war erupted. this is one thing that we started talking about this last night. i did not see it becoming as big as it has. i guess my news

judgment is completely off. elon musk and vivek ramaswamy are now pitted against a. i'm going to just like, generalize the rest of maga world, but everyone gets my drift here over. well, immigration. but vivek's long missive essentially calling american workers mediocre and worse and using that as a defense for foreign worker visas. musk tried to come to his rescue today. it does not look like they are calming down any of the anger that is coming at them over this. the one person who has not weighed in is donald trump. should he i think he should. >> like i am vehemently opposed to what vivek ramaswamy posted and the defense of vivek by elon musk, who i respect for his ingenuity. i thought it was frankly insulting what he wrote about americans. i've traveled all across this country, rural towns, appalachia. i've seen a lot of poor white families with very talented, incredible kids. i've been to a lot of inner cities and rural towns. a lot of black

kids with poor families, and i've seen a lot of talent and ingenuity there. and the one thing that i that i see missing, the common theme is a terrible education system. the lack of guidance, the lack of mentorship. and so what that tells me is that if we're able to reform our education system, which i would argue most americans would agree, it needs to be reformed, we are falling behind by every metric in some very key areas, particularly as it pertains to stem. let's invest in those places. i get the argument of saying, well, look, that's going to take time. we do need some foreign workers to fill in the void. i'm okay with that. filling in the void does allow us to put a microscope on the areas where we are struggling, but i strongly believe in championing the policies, kate, that that that sort of reinvest in the american workforce, that that returns that pride that restores that pride of american ingenuity. it seems antithetical to to making america great again. >> yeah, that's what i'm saying yeah, that's the premise of my argument here. >> absolutely. you can't do that by saying, well, let's just flood in by bringing in

other people. that's not what i want. and so i think a lot of americans, a lot of trump supporters look at this and they beg the question, well, what about access to the american dream for our kids, for our grandkids? and when you see that message, i don't see that that line, that message. and what vivek and what elon musk are arguing here. so i'm opposed to it. and i think the president elect needs to come out and set the record straight that they do not speak for him or his immigration policy. >> i mean, you know, the president will definitely say that no one speaks for donald trump, right? but he has been silent and i don't know, what do you think of this? >> look, i'm not surprised at all. the modern day republican coalition is one of the most counterintuitive coalitions. i think in a long time. yeah. the most obvious example of that is you got a lot of white working class voters voting against their economic interests. it's always been a party whose business elites have really set the policy agenda and so on. this issue that matters a great deal to people who own companies, who run companies, and especially in silicon valley, where the incoming

president has made significant inroads, at least after this last presidential election cycle, you're going to see real tension on this issue. >> if nothing else. vivek ramaswamy seems, i guess we'll call it tone deaf in that message. and that delivery. great. >> that's why that's why i didn't do so well in the republican primary. that's exactly why he didn't do well because of his lack of message and understanding of where the american people are and their expectations about the future. we have inherited an amazing thing as americans, and it appears to me that we're not handing off what we've inherited to the next generation. and so, again, the question for us, that burden for our leaders is, what can you do to make sure that the future generations can compete against other countries, such as china? bringing in more people is not the answer. it's a band-aid to a longer term problem. >> well, one thing we do know if you read vivek's missive, is he does a good job using the word venerate a lot. so you can definitely you know, we're working on our vocabulary words. so i really appreciate it, guys. thank you. rob frehse

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think we have to be honest with ourselves. yes, tim walz was absolutely correct when jd vance was nominated. he is weird. he acts weird. he sounds weird. but if we're being frank, we can sound weird too. sometimes as democrats and the senator from hawaii is absolutely correct in that we can sometimes be a little bit more overly interested in placing voters into academic categories and buckets than we are talking to the working class concerns that people have here in america. and we saw some of that this past election. there's no question about it. >> you have the you've said you have the 40 signatures from members that are required to take part in the candidate forums. it starts the first one is in just ten days. it's an opportunity for you to really introduce yourself in a broad way to dnc members. it's an important moment. what is your brand of democrat senator and how is it different from the others who want the same job? >> so the next dnc chair, i believe, and this is what i'm running on, has to be focused on one thing and one thing only, and that is throwing out the stale, ineffective dc

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2022. >> the only benefit is is the high salary. >> but the males get exemption from military service. >> and so that's a drawing card. >> a ukrainian intelligence officer only authorized to speak to cnn anonymously told us those perks come at a cost. >> to all students involved in the production of these uavs live at a separate, limited access compound. >> once employed, they sign ndas. their contracts say they produce motorboats. >> and yet, as recruitment efforts step up, this video from july allowed the facade to slip. plus, thinking of starting 10th grade, says the voiceover, joined the super elite program air navigation and drone programing at alabuga polytechnic and help the stalin's falcons. that's a new drone unit in the russian military. pause here and you see the distinctive serial number of the russian produced shahed and the unit emblem. in

july, russia fired 422 shahed or similar drones at ukraine. by november, it was almost six times that analysis of air force reports and official data show. to meet that demand, shahed production at alabuga has more than doubled this year, say cnn sources. in ukraine's defense, intelligence. and there's a new product. this is the gerbera, a much cheaper copy of the shahed pictured in a video posted in july by the stalin's falcons. that same drone unit. for this volunteer air defense unit in kyiv. it's clear the cheaper copies are fueling bigger attacks. >> now they send. russia sent every day. >> a lot of drones. more of them are not even with the explosive things. it's just very cheap and very simple. >> drones for yuri chumak, a serving supreme court judge by

day. there's no denying the decoys are working. >> we cannot detect what it is. you just see that it's drone. so you shall use missile or you shall use machine gun to shut down it. >> cnn sources in ukrainian defense intelligence believe alabuga will produce up to 10,000 gerberas this year alone. analysis of downed drones shows russia has also adapted the original shahed, making it tougher, more weatherproof and in some cases, deadlier. in late october, experts in kyiv found traces of thermobaric munitions on downed showerheads. >> thermobaric. >> there were several of them. their effect is that they're used as incendiary munitions in a certain radius. they disable all equipment and people. >> ukraine has tried hitting back. this april strike using a modified small aircraft blew a hole in the roof of a worker dormitory at alabuga. but neither that strike nor international sanctions could stop the breakneck pace of

expansion here. between march and september this year, two entirely new buildings appeared next to the original ones. and this image from late november seems to confirm they're connected. new covered walkways link old and new buildings. another looks set to join the factory to the worker dormitories, now fully repaired. >> they started to create, we thought, drone cages over the buildings. and then as the as they built other buildings, it looks like they're expanding the security perimeter. >> nato told cnn it is, quote, well aware of alabuga and expects it to ramp up production even further. hurrah, hurrah. this military patriotic team building event for alabuga students. a glimpse into the high octane world behind that security fence. clare sebastian cnn, london. >> thanks for joining us. the source starts now. >> straight from the source. tonight it's the maga versus

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