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joining us. thank you for watching news night laura coates. liv starts right now. >> after tonight, the sentencing before the inauguration. the controversial move by a new york judge to formally make president-elect donald trump a convicted felon. plus, forget all the what ifs. the gavel still belongs to that man. speaker johnson in a single round, he fended off defectors in his own party with an assist from trump. but now can he return the favor? and dramatic new revelations about the troubled veterans behind the separate attacks in las vegas and new orleans, with their writings, are now showing about their mindset and also their motive. as we hear from a bourbon street eyewitness who, unbelievably, was not only hit by the gunman's truck but also

shot in the foot. well, she's alive to share her story with us tonight on laura coates live well, january 10th everyone. one week from today. go ahead and mark that down in your calendars, because it's going to be one hell of a controversial day that will go down in history, because that day is when president elect donald trump will face a new york judge to be sentenced as a convicted felon. that's almost ten months after a jury found him guilty of 34 felony counts. and just ten days before he takes the oath of office for his second term. now, in doing so, trump will become america's first convicted felon to serve as president. now, we knew that would be the case when the election hit. and you already had the convictions, right? but what we didn't know was whether he would face any jail time or when he would ultimately be sentenced. now we're after the end of the term. well, tonight we have an

answer. it's looking like no jail time, no fine. no penalty. judge juan merchan ruling today that he is upholding trump's hush money conviction, but he won't punish him. beyond that description of a felon, at least not through any jail time or even an imposed fine. we legal people call it unconditional discharge, but think of it as a get out of jail for free card. it means you're off the hook and the free part is the no fine part. now remember trump, he spent more than 20 days in that manhattan courtroom before being found guilty on those 34 counts of falsifying business records. prosecutors said that he did that to hide hush money payments that he made to stormy daniels during the 2016 election. now, trump for his part, he denies that he ever slept with daniels. but manhattan da alvin bragg got his conviction from 12 jurors who thought otherwise about the falsified records. part of it, though it appears he didn't get

any punishment. judge merchan, writing a sentence of unconditional discharge, appears to be the most viable solution to ensure finality and allow defendant to pursue his appellate options, ensure finality. remember that. i'll explain what that means or what it could mean in just a moment. well, judge merchan also gave trump the option of appearing in person or virtually for the sentencing. now, there's no word on what he actually will do, but as you can imagine, he's pretty mad because he wants the whole thing tossed out. trump wrote this illegitimate political attack is nothing but a rigged charade. he also called merchan a radical partisan. well, joining me now, my friend elie honig, cnn senior legal analyst and former assistant u.s. attorney for the south and s.d.n.y, was called to the sovereign district, as you often refer to it. ali, the cny instead. all right, ali, you and i predicted the idea there wasn't going to be much

of a penalty, if any at all. but there's no jail time, no community service, no fines as we know it now. nothing. what do you think of this decision given you didn't think the case should have been brought in the first place? >> well, it's an unsatisfying outcome, i think, for certainly the district attorney, but i think it points up ultimately that this was a case of prosecutorial overreach. i don't think there's any real way around that at this point. i think alvin bragg would defend this case by saying he looked carefully at the facts and the law, and he believed it was necessary to impose accountability. and i should say, as i always do, alvin and i were former colleagues at the aforementioned southern district of new york. he was a colleague and a friend, but i think the vast majority of the american public now views this case as i do, which is that it was a colossal world historic episode of prosecutorial overreach. he took this case, which the feds had rejected, which the fec had rejected, which his predecessor as d.a.

had chosen not to charge and later said would have been a huge problem. he crafted a charge against donald trump that has never been brought against any other person in expired new york state ok an misdemeanor, piled another expired new york state misdemeanor on top of it, and piled a federal election fraud violation in state court. on top of that, nobody's ever been charged or convicted that way before. and so now the ultimate result of this, laura, legally is essentially a big fat zero. and politically, i think it backfired badly on alvin bragg and on democrats. >> clearly, bragg would disagree. and of course, the prosecutors who endeavored to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. but let's set aside for a moment the views you have on this issue and what the judge actually said. the judge didn't view it in this same way. the judge's rationale was looking essentially at the fact that this is a president elect, but also obviously looking at the balance he'd have to strike between how to actually get accountability in the form of financial payment

one, or also to hold him accountable versus jailed via jail time. his decision, as you know, ali, he he considered the immunity argument and the doj's policy of not prosecuting a sitting president, but that the idea of trying to preserve the finality of it, that statement. i think people are kind of scratching their heads about what does he mean to preserve the finality of it, given that there will be appeals and there are ongoing appeals here? >> yeah. so one thing judge merchan said in his opinion, which i think is spot on, is nobody really knows. we've never been in this situation before with somebody weeks away from becoming president. and can that person be sentenced? and i think in light of that, judge merchan reached a reasonable outcome, which is let's try to move this thing as far along as we can. and in fact, by actually sentencing donald trump next week, assuming it goes off as planned, that actually will enable donald trump's legal team if they so choose, to pursue an appeal to appeal on the exact basis that i just laid out, you can't charge someone with a federal campaign

violation in state court, and i think they have a pretty decent chance of winning. so by getting donald trump sentenced, what you do is put that chapter of this case behind us and allow donald trump, he's really doing trump's team a favor in a sense of saying, if you do want to pursue your constitutional appeal while you're president, you can go ahead and do it now. >> well, that's the idea. preserving finality is, is a bit of an exercise in utility. if you have appeal still pending and you're trying to move it along to get to that next stage of things. look, he is told trump, you can either show up in person or virtually. now you and i both know that means there's no chance, as he's indicated, which is odd in and of itself, that he's not going to step him back. he's going to give his and show his hand early on. but the idea of holding it even remotely, that strikes me as particularly odd to give the choice, even knowing that he's not going to step back. >> yeah, it is very, very rare for a judge to impose sentencing. in any case, when the person is not physically there in front of them. in fact, most of the rules and laws say the person has to be

physically present. unless, as you note, laura, in rare instances where the judge does not intend to impose prison time, i actually think this was a pretty smart accommodation by judge merchan, because trump's main complaint here is you can't take me as president elect days away from taking office in the midst of transition, and impose the burden of me having to come in and be sentenced. and so judge merchan has said, essentially, fine, you want to do it by zoom. we can do it by zoom. and so i think he sort of undermined donald trump's ability to go to the federal courts and say, hey, federal courts, you have to block this sentencing from going forward because it's too much of a burden on me. hard to make that argument when you can just zoom in for it. >> and remember, he had to be in the courtroom because of a criminal matter. he did not have to be there when it came to the e. jean carroll civil matter. instead, we'll see what the jurors think about this sort of result in the end. elie honig, thank you so much. >> thanks, laura. >> well, joining me now on the political fallout. cnn senior political commentator and former special assistant to president george w. bush, scott jennings, is here. and former

obama white house senior director nayyera haq as well. good to see you both, my friend. scott, i'll begin with you. during the campaign, these court issues, they actually were pretty helpful to trump politically. in fact, many believe the tide changed when it was even filed as a criminal charge against him. people started to lean in more. but now that he's won, does the next set of events even matter in terms of what the judge will do? >> well, look, i think it matters because it's another reminder that radical democrat political activists abuse the criminal justice system in new york, all to create a political talking point. look, l.a. is exactly right. our legal analyst here, this would have never been charged this way if it weren't donald trump and he weren't running for president. should have never been charged this way. he should have never faced this. it was all done so they could call him a convicted felon during the campaign, which of course, they succeeded at. what they miscalculated is that the american people knew from the get go that it was partisan politics, and they

soundly rejected this in november. so trump's i guess, going to get one more bite at the apple here to make the point that these democrats in new york elected. alvin bragg elected. marchand elected. these people are elected by the people. and they took their jobs in public service and used them for political ends. instead of using all of their time to throw the bad people in new york, which there are plenty of them on the streets in jail. that's the real, lasting impact of this. the abuse of the system for political purposes. when new york city is descending into a hellhole right now. >> well, call me the former prosecutor here. on this point, i don't know that i can bridge the gap immediately, as my two colleagues have to suggest that the pure motivation was a political result. i understand political process. i mean, prosecutorial discretion leaves many people wanting more information as to the why they choose some cases and not others. but politically, as we mentioned, i mean, there are a lot of democrats who wanted some sort of consequence, truth

be told, and they're not getting it here. should democrats even approach this politically, given the concerns raised by scott and others? >> well, there are 34 convictions against a now president-elect trump, right? that's not the focus simply on the alvin bragg in the new york case does not cover the entire history of impunity that donald trump has gotten away with, specifically when it came to intervention in the election. now, the law, as you all know, does not move quickly, and it certainly did not move quickly in donald trump's case, despite the fact that he was impeached twice. so there are many records here that donald trump sent. i just doubt that these are the ones that he really wanted to be setting at this point. be that as it may, he is going to have to do some community service. he's going to be the next president of the united states and have to take all that is community service. >> you're right about that. >> all of this divisive political rhetoric, and he'll have to now take it forward and

make policy and actually bring people together. >> if not, bring them together, try to move something forward in a very, very fractured america. that is going to be his legacy, not how dirty or how political the campaign has been. >> well, let's talk about that. i like the way you phrased it. neera, community service of sorts, scott, on this point, because the person and the vehicle really to get a lot of his agenda done is going to be through congress and also through speaker mike johnson, who has retained the gavel on the very first ballot after two republicans wound up flipping their votes, some in the caucus, by the way, saw that as a message to johnson. listen. >> the speaker realizes that he needs to listen to the conservative folks, to the base. >> we want to make sure that this is honestly a collaborative environment. >> okay, so getting the gavel, retaining the gavel, now, getting things done. scott, was this the easiest hurdle that he'll have to face now in the next couple of months to two years? >> i don't know, hard to say,

but i think the outcome today should remind republicans that in a closely divided chamber, when you barely have a majority at all, the only way to get things done is to stick together. and ultimately all republicans except for one, did come together to get over this initial hurdle. they can't do anything else in congress until they elect a speaker. the fact they did it on the first ballot after donald trump endorsed mike johnson and then intervened with a couple of the holdouts, that ought to tell you how much in some ways easier mike johnson's job is going to be over the next few months than it was previously. having trump in the white house does help smooth out the road here. now, when they start talking about taxes and different tax provisions and we start talking about immigration laws and energy and all the things donald trump wants to do, i'm certain johnson's going to have to manage what's going to be some unruly people, but having trump sitting right there behind you, willing to put his shoulder to the wheel, does give you an extra amount of leverage to bring these people on board. so i hope johnson is successful. he's a

good guy. he's in politics for all the right reasons. he did a good job after unexpectedly getting it. you know, before. there's going to be a lot of days where i am certain he's going to look up and regret his life choices, but he's in the right place at the right time, and he's going to do a good job for trump. and getting over this hurdle today allows them to begin to move that agenda forward. i hope they pass some bills between now and january 20th, that trump maybe could sign in as soon as he takes the oath of office. >> well, we'll see if they move as quickly as nair has suggested. government does not run at all. but let me ask you this final question there. republican congressman ralph norman, who initially voted against speaker johnson before changing his vote, told cnn that trump called him while he was playing golf in the last minute call obviously seemed to work this time, but if johnson only requires trump's twisting of the arms, how successful will his tenure be? given that extremely tight margin? >> they're going to have to, at some point work with democrats to be able to pass

some sort of legislation on exactly the hot button issues that scott described. and so immigration, taxation, trump's tax. taxes expire, his tax cuts expire this year. these are not issues that americans and even congress have managed to navigate easily. so president trump's going to have to make a lot of phone calls to get his agenda passed. >> well, we'll see how many phone calls in the golf course it will take. thank you both so much. >> thanks, laura. >> look, there's a new worrying piece of information that's coming out about the new year's day attack in new orleans. authorities finding the attacker used some kind of a rare organic compound that's actually never before been seen in the united states. for the explosive devices that he ultimately planted. and now, of course, investigators. and we all want to know how did he get it. plus, police reveal a possible motive behind that cybertruck bombing in las vegas. the suspect's own words. i'll bring you next.

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included possible bomb making material. now tonight, his brother and a brand new interview that he last saw said that he last saw jabbar six months ago and there were no signs of radicalization. >> everything was just how he had always been with me and around the rest of his family, you know, full of love, well mannered, well tempered, helpful. >> meanwhile, in las vegas, authorities releasing this new angle of the explosion inside a tesla cybertruck outside of that trump hotel. video shows matthew livelsberger at a tesla charging station en route to vegas. police revealing that he kept a log on his phone of the last ten days of his life, even detailing buying guns. investigators say livelsberger had been recently diagnosed with depression and left behind writings saying the explosion was not a terrorist attack, but a wake up call to america. >> he says fellow service

members, veterans and all americans, time to wake up. we are being led by weak and feckless leadership who only serve to enrich themselves. >> but police in las vegas stressed that they believe livelsberger acted alone with me. now retired lieutenant general russel honoré and sean turner, former communications director for u.s. national intelligence at the office of the director of national intelligence. sean, let me begin with you here. i want to talk more about that rare compound that was discovered in the new orleans terror attack. what will investigators look to determine how he actually got that? >> yeah. you know, this really piqued my interest, laura, from an intelligence perspective. and one of the things that we know about individuals when they become radicalized is that they will go to great lengths to try to get materials or resources that they need to carry out attacks. and so i think the approach here is going to be to to follow the breadcrumbs, to understand not only what this rare compound

is, but where it came from. how was this individual not only able to acquire it, but how it was? was he able to get it here into into the united states? i think it's interesting that the reporting suggests that this is something that has not been seen here in the united states, but it's clearly something we are familiar with. so the investigation will tell us whether or not he really tried to understand whether or not he could actually get this. you here either through on a flight or across the border or something, something along those lines. but this really does sort of focus on that broader issue of security right now. all the things that these individuals will go through to be able to achieve their objectives. >> and of course, how long ago he got it to figure out planning and the premeditation of all of this. general honoré, let me come to you on this. does the discovery raise the specter that this attack was possibly being directed by i.s.i.s., and not just inspired by the terror group? how do you see it? >> i'm going to go with what

the fbi said inspired at this point in time. until they make that direct connection. they have a lot of his electronics, and there's a lot of forensic work still to be done. let's wait on that. but he's a suicide bomber. uh, he his mission in i.s.i.s. playbook. he's as an affiliate, if not a member, uh, is to kill until he is killed. and he performed that mission in accordance with the i.s.i.s. guidebook. when you go into as a suicide bomber, as he did, uh, with a600 0 pound truck, uh, with ieds, uh, planted. so as much destruction as you can until you killed, uh, the good news is the police were there to engage him with gunfire, because even more people could have been killed. and to do it in a celebratory way, where you get the biggest amount of attention. he could have done the same thing on

canal street and kill as many people with the weapons he had. he chose to use bourbon street because his symbolic, the same thing with the the bomber in vegas. it's symbolic to do it in the front of the trump hotel. both of these are veteran and in one case, active duty. i just remind americans that we lose 20 veterans a day to suicide. both of these ended up being suicide bombers. but on any given day, the last 24 hours, we lost 20 veterans to suicide. that's. these are associated with crime, particularly a haunting. and it's happening right now. general, you're happening right now. we heard the surgeon general talking about alcohol, but nobody talks about this. it's a hidden topic in american discourse. >> point well taken. i mean, cnn had obtained a 2019 report. general, which strongly recommended that new orleans immediately upgrade the barrier

system in the french quarter. now, the group behind that study says the attack could have been prevented. i want to listen to what they had to say. >> this type of attack is absolutely avoidable. there were there have been over 200 vehicular attacks in the past 25 years around the world, and each one of them can be avoided. but at the end of the day, all you really need is to deploy a simple device, such as an archer barrier on a sidewalk or in the path of where a potential vehicle borne attack would come from. >> i'd like you to respond to that, general. >> i don't necessarily agree with him. we've had suicide bombers in iraq and afghanistan with units fully deployed, with all the combat equipment, and be rammed by or use ieds against once the attacker is committed to jihad to give up their life, that attack will happen. i don't necessarily agree with him that it would have been avoided. again, you got bourbon street

lot. canal street, chapel, toulouse, all of them with hundreds of people on it. a determined suicide bomber will have a way to get through. uh, many a times we're able to stop them if they have a fingerprint and they're in a network. but he's lone wolf. it's hard to stop him. laura. >> well, sean, let me ask you this. um, given. thank you. that that proposition, there is new information separately about the driver and the tesla cybertruck explosion. the police are saying that matthew livelsberger wrote the u.s. was, quote, terminally ill and headed toward collapse. this is a green beret. this is an active duty member. how does he go down this path? >> yeah, yeah. you know, this this is a more challenging case than the case in new orleans when it comes to understanding the motive. i mean, look, we're talking about someone who is a master sergeant e8 in the army. this is someone who spent the

last two decades of his life serving in uniform in various in various capacities. so when we look at the, you know, the comments, you know, look at what he said here. uh, clearly this is someone who understood and, and had a sense of what's happening in this country from a national security perspective and some what some of the threats are to this country. but what we don't see here clearly, laura, is we don't see someone who felt like life had them in a pressure cooker and that the walls were closing in. when we talk to people, we see someone who yeah, he had some concerns, but he didn't have any particular animus against president trump. he didn't have any animus against elon musk. uh, he clearly, you know, he is someone who recently became a father. so this one is a little more challenging. but i do think i find it very interesting that he went to great efforts to say, this is not a terrorist attack. when we think about the training that this individual has and the the damage that he could have done with explosives, the fact that we

had fireworks and we had, uh, something that that while it harmed people, it certainly did not kill as many people as it did, didn't kill anyone. that tells me that this one was much more about a statement, and about someone who may have really just sort of looked at the direction that we're going in this country and had real concerns about it and wanted to make a case for it. >> startling as we find and ask the question why? obviously law enforcement wants to know how can they prevent in the next instance as well? thank you both. next, she says that she was blessed to only be shot in the foot. an alabama mom who is celebrating the new year on bourbon street, only to be hit by the truck and then shot. joins us next. and later, just in time for what they call dry january. the surgeon general says we need cancer warnings now on alcohol. but what kind of label would actually work? our guest tonight says she has just the one.

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me now, alexis scott windham. alexis, i'm so glad that you're here with us. and i cannot believe what you have had to endure. can you just take us back to what you even remember from that night? what happened to you well, the night was going really good. >> it was a great new year's. it was a great, great way to bring it in until around, i'll say we stopped in front of a pizza place around. 3:00. we went in to use the bathroom and stuff. we came out. it was like i say, 312. and when we came out, we were trying to figure out what we were going to eat. and that by that time it was like 315. so at that time, we figured all that out. by the time we looked, we heard a noise. it went boom, boom, boom. so we looked. we looked to our left and we seen the white truck. he was coming towards us. he was halfway on the sidewalk and halfway on the

street, and he was just running through the poles of the establishment on the on that side of the street. yeah. he was coming. yeah, he was coming towards us. so i'm thinking he's a drunk driver at the time but as he getting closer, he's getting faster and faster and he's like he's trying to actually hit people. so that's when i tried to step out of the way. and he he ended up catching my back leg. that's how i fell. and that's when i tried to get back up. and when i got up, when i got up, i noticed i couldn't run, so i just, i just i tried to limp, but as i was getting up, that's when i started seeing the bodies on the side of me. it was people. people deceased right on the side of me. i couldn't do nothing but thank jesus. i was just telling the lord, thank you, thank you jesus. just let me make just let me make it out of here. let me make it home. >> could you have a one? you have a one year old little girl

as well. i can't imagine what was going through your mind as a mother, thinking about how. what happened. but then i understand you finally made it to the hospital and you didn't even realize at that point that you had also been shot until then, when you realized that and that this was a terror attack, what did you think? >> so when i realized that i was really blow because i didn't even feel it go in, because when i got hit, i just dropped to the ground. i thought i had just broken an ankle, but, um, when they had came to the hospital and they was telling me about, um, everything that was going on, the police, when they came to interview me, i had like one last interview, he came in, he was like. he was like explaining to me. he was like, we think this is planned. but we had we but we got them. wow. and i was just relieved that they got him, because when i was seeing the people come in through the emergency room, it was people injured way, way

worse than me. >> you still have the bullet in your foot. you're still there's still fractures. multiple fractures as well. what are they telling you about your recovery so in two weeks, i will have to go get a checkup with an orthopedic. >> and they're going to check my fractures, and they're going to check the bullet on the side of the bullet hole on the side of my foot. they're going to see where the bullet. if the bullet moved, what was it like when you got back to your one year old and held her? >> because i can only imagine what was going through your head to be alive. >> i feel complete, um, it just it just felt great. like it just warmed my heart. when i saw her, she gave me a big hug. >> she's a beautiful little girl. i can't imagine how one day you'll try to explain any of this. if any of us can explain what's going on. but we're so glad that you are

here and that you're sharing your story with us, because i think so many people are just trying to make sense of this. can i ask you really quickly, when you saw him driving, could you see his face? >> no, not at all. he has lights off. >> mhm. so you didn't even know who was in the car. how many people. and just thinking about what that must have been like just terrifying. alexis, i wish you well. thank you so much for sharing with me today. and just go hug your little girl, okay? >> okay. >> thank you. thank you alexis. well, you already know big tobacco has cancer warnings on its cigarettes. is it time for big alcohol to do it too? well, the surgeon general tonight is making the case, and our next guest is ready to explain just how that might work have i got news for you is back for a new

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call for action. he says that cancer should be clearly labeled on drinks that americans consume. i want to bring in public health researcher currently studying how warning labels on alcohol products might be effective in helping consumers make better health choices. assistant professor in the department of health behavior at the university of north carolina at chapel hill. doctor marisa hall joins me now. doctor hall, thank you for joining. for many, the idea of this being the third cause, leading cause is just stunning to so many people. the current alcohol warning it, it cautions that potential lifelong problems could happen if consumed during a pregnancy, and highlights the danger of the driving under the influence. but now juxtapose that to your proposed warning that would underscore how drinking alcohol causes seven different types of cancer. why would yours be more effective? >> what a great question and thank you for covering this

important topic. we were really excited to see the surgeon general's report today. it's very important information to get out to the public that alcohol causes seven types of cancer. but we do know that fewer than half of americans know about this link. and warning labels are a great way to actually make that information salient to consumers. and available on the product exactly at the point of purchase. and so you may notice a few differences with the labels that you, um, that are currently on alcohol compared to the proposed. a potential warning that, you know, congress could consider. >> there's one, for example. just so you know, i mean, the audience is with you for those who might not have a bottle of wine handy, as i seem to in my studio right now, here is the front of the bottle. right. then you look on the back of it. it's where the warning is. it's pretty tiny. it blends in with the text. right. and the. and the very wee bottom of what it looks like. so what would be the better way to display it? that people could actually see it? and what would it say? >> well, the first thing that

would need to change is that warning label would need to be on the front of the package. consumers are not as likely to notice it if they have to pick up the product and turn it around. and we know from cigarette pack warnings that over 120 countries around the globe require warning labels to be on the front of cigarette packages. so we have a strong precedent for this. this is not the case for alcohol. so it goes really unnoticed. being on the back. another big change in addition to moving it to the front, would be to add some kind of an icon or a picture to the warning label. we have many, many studies and experimental studies reviews that show that adding these images to warning labels makes them more effective. and so, just as an example, this kind of a yellow caution symbol icon, we have several studies showing that this helps attract more attention. and also convey information and risk to consumers more effectively than the text alone. and then of course, the content of the message is different here. the

warning label has not changed in the united states for over 35 years. it's a very long time. we've been exposed to the information about the risks around pregnancy and driving. of course, those are really important, but many consumers know that what they don't know, or at least over half of americans don't know about, is this link with cancer. >> it strikes me, as part of what happened with big tobacco as well, to change the culture of what it entails to fight against human behavior, as well. >> yeah, absolutely. we see many benefits of warning labels. so one is the sort of cultural and normative shift, and it really helps kind of convey those norms at the population level. another major benefit is, of course, that the warning labels can inform consumers and simply communicate knowledge whether or not people change their behavior, they at least know. and then third, we do see numerous studies across tobacco, alcohol, and also sugar sweetened beverages that warning labels do actually change behavior not for everyone, but across the

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>> we're praying that somebody can be touched and be willing to help me to live my life. >> well, i'm so happy to say that rosa's prayers were answered. she got that new kidney in september in new york city, and the donor turned out to be a man from colorado who had watched rosa's interview right here on laura coates live. i caught up with rosa a few days ago. rosa, it's so good to see you. you were out of the hospital. how are you feeling? >> i'm feeling great. >> i have a bunch of energies. i tell my wife that every morning i wake up with a new energy. like i'm. i tell her, let's go. let's go somewhere. let's do something. let's. even if it's just for a ride. we just literally. i just want to go. sometimes. she's coming back from work and she's like, i'm tired. well, i'm not

tired. i have energy, so you have to take me somewhere, no matter where. even to the corner store. just take me. let's do something that makes me feel so great to hear that. >> and think about all that you've been through. and then to have the opportunity to have that kind of new lease on life. you were wrongfully accused, wrongfully convicted, you were exonerated. and i know that last time we spoke, you just wanted the opportunity to live your life the way you wanted to. and this person, this man who donated his kidney to you, what do you want to say to him? >> oh, his name is chris, and he's from colorado. um. um, he's a dog lover, just like i am. and i don't have no words that can express my gratitude and how

blessed i am that god put us in the same path. um. i'm so grateful that he donated to me a part of his body. and i just want to tell him. thank you. thank you for everything. thank you for giving me a second chance or a third chance. um, for for me living my life, being here, feeling amazing. have so much energy. you know, i have talked to my wife and, uh, me and my wife agreed that if i wouldn't have this kidney, i wouldn't last another five years. my my health was deteriorating so fast, so bad. and he saved my life. chris saved my life.

>> that is just so beautiful to think about. and, you know, i always talk about. and you and i have talked about this before, the idea that you never know the angels that walk among us, who, you know, i say, but for the grace of god go i. and that moment to hear your story, to be so touched by it, and then to donate the kidney. i just i'm just so moved by what has happened. >> can i tell you something? >> yeah. please. >> um, i was telling my wife that the other day. i was telling her that when i got out, when i went inside prison, i remember me telling myself. because i used to hear all these people gathering together, inmates and talk about their stories about their lives. and a lot of people had trouble. a lot of people have visited things they experience things. and i was only 20 years old, literally a kid, and i didn't experience nothing. i didn't know how to swim. i didn't know how to

ride a bike. but then i told my wife, now, like the day that i die, i don't want to have those regrets. like, oh, i, i have all the i have a new kidney. i got out of prison, but i didn't do this or i didn't do that. and here i am probably dying. but when, when that time comes, i want to be like, i did it all because all these people made it possible for me and god, what an inspirational story and what a pleasure it is to get to know you. >> rosa jimenez, and to hear your story and to see your smile. now is the best thing i could hope for. thank you so much for being with us today. we're glad to see you. >> thank you