it's monday, january 6th. right now on "cnn this morning" -- >> and we fight. we fight like hell. >> a return to power on the anniversary of the day his supporters stormed the capitol, congress will convene to certify donald trump's election victory. plus -- >> president trump is going to prefer, as he likes to say, one, big, beautiful bill. >> an ambitious agenda. republicans have big plans for donald trump's first 100 days in office. with their slim majority, it'll be a major undertaking. and then --

>> it is accumulating crazy fast. >> a winter what allop. the snowstorm to could bring the heaviest snow totals in decades. and this just in, canadian media reports prime minister justin trudeau is expected to resign just months before an election that he is predicted to lose. 6:00 a.m. here on the east coast. a live look at a very snowy capitol hill. most people are staying home today in the nation's capitol, but not congress. they're expected to show up to work. important day up there. good morning. i'm kasie hunt. wonderful to have you with us. january 6th. in hours, congress will meet to certify donald trump's victory in the 2024 election. this a final step in cementing a stunning political comeback. >> we will never give up. we will never

concede. it doesn't happen. you don't concede where there's theft involved. all vice president pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president, and you are the happiest people. everyone here will soon be marching over to the capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. and we fight, we fight like hell. if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. >> four years ago today, following a decisive loss to joe biden, then president donald trump stood in front of the white house urging his supporters and vice president mike pence to overturn the will of the american people. >> as you can see ahead, we have stormed the capitol. to the steps of the capitol, the very top. it looks like we are trying to breach the capitol building. >> following trump's remarks we just watched, his supporters

did march to capitol hill. they pushed through barricades. they climbed the walls. they attacked police officers who were trying to protect the lawmakers inside. >> we're trying to hold the upper deck. we are trying to hold the upper deck now. we need to hold the doors of the capitol. >> overwhelmed, those officers were unable to prevent the mob from forcing their way inside. some began to search for lawmakers that they said they wanted to kill. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> the counting of electoral votes was paused as lawmakers from both parties fled, or barricaded themselves inside secure locations. vice president pence was taken to a loading dock, but he refused to leave the building. cassidy hutchinson, a top aide to then chief of staff mark meadows testifying that trump, quote, thinks mike deserves it. he doesn't think they're

doing anything wrong. in the violence that day, one rioter was killed by police defending the house chamber. three others in the crowd also died. one capitol police officer who was attacked died the next day. a number of other law enforcement officers would die by suicide in the months that followed. at the time, top republicans in congress blamed one man. >> all i can say is count me out. enough is enough. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. >> there's no question, none. president trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. no question about it. >> in the four years since that day, donald trump has repeatedly downplayed the violence and has said he'll pardon some of

the rioters, including some who pleaded guilty. >> january 6th was the largest crowd i've ever spoken to, and that was because they thought the election was rigged. they were there proud. they were there with love in their heart. that was an unbelievable and a beautiful day. that was a day of love from the standpoint of the millions. it was love and peace. some people went to the capitol, and a lot of strange things happened there. but you had a peaceful, very peaceful -- i left. i left the morning that i was supposed to leave. >> now, as trump prepares to once again take the oath of office on the capitol steps, president biden is urging americans to resist efforts to rewrite the history of that day. he writes this in an op- ed published last night, quote, "we should commit to remembering january 6th, 2021, every year, to remember it as a day when our democracy was put to the test and prevailed. to remember that democracy, even in america, is never

guaranteed." throughout the election, biden and vice president kamala harris both repeatedly characterized trump and his actions on january 6th as a threat to democracy. biden was asked about those comments yesterday. >> do you still believe he is a threat to democracy? >> i think what he did was a genuine threat to democracy. i'm hopeful that we're beyond that. >> today, harris becomes the first vice president since al gore to certify their own defeat as a presidential candidate. our panel list, doug , former communications director for the rnc, national political recorder for "axios. " . megan hayes from the biden white house. and welcome to all of you. good morning. thank you for being here, especially for braving the snow to make it all the way in today. brad, megan, what have we learned from what happened

on that day? we saw it happen. i was there at the capitol. now, the person who, you know, many republicans held accountable for that at the time has been re- elected president of the united states. >> you know, most republican voters held donald trump accountable for it. that's why lucas desjardins -- ron desan esantis started the the ahead of him. it was until alvin bragg charged trump in new york, many thought it was out of bounds and beyond the pale. this was a factor in the election. nikki haley was polling 20%, well into the primary season after she stopped running. there are plenty of republicans who still are not going to forgive donald trump for that day, nor probably should they. i think when you have to give the american people credit and realize they factored a lot of other things into this election, too. >> megan, how do you explain it? >> i don't think you can. i see what

you're saying, but we are forgetting and rewriting history, like the president is saying. you can't invite the people in, say they were peaceful, and pardon them. it is a reprehensible day in our history, and it is disgusting we are trying to sweep over it like it didn't happen. >> alex, what's your view of this, especially as, i mean, democrats do seem to be grappling with what to take away from -- i mean, trump's victory this time was more sweeping than it was in 2016. >> yeah. if you're a democrat, you are incredibly frustrated because you're going to see today that democrats are going to uphold the peaceful transfer of power. you're going to see them basically do what the constitution lays out. donald trump tried to upend that. he did not do that four years ago, and the american people still voted for him anyway. >> doug, you're someone who cares a lot about congress as an institution. you've devoted a lot of your life to service in and aroundaround it. what is the -- you know, in some ways, i'm having a hard

time grappling. this is a big picture thing we're grappling with, right? obviously, the results of the election are what they are. sitting there that day, it would have been almost impossible to conceive this. >> absolutely. what we saw was so many steps within this campaign that allowed donald trump to reemerge. for me, i was watching the first presidential republican primary debate with a friend. the first question was, raise your hand if you'd support donald trump if he is convicted of a felony. almost every hand went up. i turned to a friend and said, well, this primary is over. the reality is, at that point, it was over. you can't effectively campaign against someone who you'd support if they're convicted of a felony. what we've seen is, from kevin mccarthy going down to mar-a- lago just after his statements condemning him, is the party bending towards trump over and over again. part of this, as shocking as it was, was inevitable, as well. >> meghan, we heard hakeem jeffries in his speech after mike johnson was re- elected speaker of the house talk about

democrats committing to a peaceful transfer of power, and there does seem to be -- there is significant symbolism in this being a boring event today. >> absolutely. i mean, you heard the president say it there. we hope we're past this. there are always going to be the statemen who believe in the institutions. it is unfortunate the republican party doesn't also believe in the institutions. they came out so strongly against it, and then they back turned because they're afraid of donald trump. it don't understand why. i don't think any of us can figure out how we got back to this point, but i do think democrats, and i think there are a lot of republicans who believe in the institutions that we have. >> part of how we got here with the institution of congress, though, happened almost immediately afterward. democrats are to blame for that. nancy pelosi refused to allow republicans to appoint their own members of the january 6th investigation committee. she refused to allow the republican staff to be hired by republicans. she refused to allow cross- examination of witnesses. she decided that for maximum political leverage, she was going to have a partisan investigation. that's part of what polarized

the whole day of january 6th in ways i never would have imagined. i think you have to put the democrats on the hook for that. >> i think it's a little bit ofof aboutism, though. republicans on the day thought that donald trump broke his oath of office and it was disqualifying. if you believe that, all this other stuff shouldn't really matter. what ended up happening is voters didn't seem to care as much. lawmakers then eventually, a lot of them that thought it was disqualifying, ended up sort of sucking up their concerns. >> i also think that democrats in the country and republicans in the country aren't following what's happening on january 6th. they were seeing the big picture. i don't think they knew the nuance to it. i agree, there is something here we are not figuring out as a country, that we need to spend more time investigating. it is disgusting that we are back here. >> we've had a whole lot of bombshell events that ultimately don't resonate with voters. we refer to so many voters as low- information voters because they're not consuming whatever has been written or talked about on a given day. the reality is they're highly informed. they're informed on what they're spending every time they go to the grocery store.

they're informed on crime in their neighborhood. every issue that we report on in a major way, that's what they're focused on. it's not this event, that event, important though they may be. >> that gets to brad's first point. there are a lot of republican voters who think january 6th was awful but not disqualifying. they cared about other things rather than january 6th. >> all right. coming up on cnn this morning," extra precautions under way to ensure it looks nothing like it did four years ago. jake auchincloss will talk about it. how republicans plan to push their agenda through. and snow, wind, and ice, dangerous travel conditions this monday morning. where the massive winter storm is heading next. >> i need a waffle, and the streets aren't that bad because there is nobody on them. there's nothing to hit. if you just go slow, you'll be fine. there is nobody dumb enough to be out on the road but me.

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history. we will frack, frack, frack, and drill, baby, drill. >> all of donald trump's campaign promises rolled into one bill. that's what the president- elect and his congressional allies are eyeing as they roll out an ambitious agenda for trump's first 100 days in office. trump reiterating in a post last night his desire to pass, quote, one powerful bill that would combine legislative priorities, like extending his 2017 tax cuts, his border security plans, and raising the debt limit. the move will require near unity within the gop's razor thin house majority. after huddling with trump over the weekend, house speaker mike johnson seemed unphased. he says he is aiming for a vote on the bill in the first week of april. >> i think at the end of the day, president trump is going to prefer, as he likes to say, one, big, beautiful bill. there's a lot of merit to that, because we can put it all together, one bill g up or down vote which can save the

country. there are so many elements to it. it'll give us time to negotiate it and get it right. >> brad todd, reason we're talking about one bill and why one matters is because in the senate, they want to do two. it's down in the weeds, but the weeds actually mask important differences between the chambers that could determine whether or not this actually happens. it seems like they've convinced trump to do one, big reconciliation package. is that how it'll go down? >> i think it will. passing anything in the house is really hard. you have people like tom massie and chip roy who want to vote no, even on love and puppies. therefore, i think that attempting to do as much as you can in one bill, and a bill, by the way, that some democrats who are on the margin say it'll be a hard thing to vote no on, it's something we're not talking enough about. there are a dozen democrats in districts where trump won, and they have to vote to not secure the border. they'll have to vote for unpopular things if they oppose it. if mike johnson is able to do everything popular, love

and puppies in one bill, and pull even a handful of democrats over, then chip roy and tom massie and the other clowns don't matter. >> doug, what do you think? >> yeah, i think that's right. ultimately, what johnson is trying to do is also protect his members. better to have one bad vote than two sort of bad votes. it's also easier, potentially, to do that. the challenge he faces, brad is right, there are democrats who certainly can support this, is one of the arguments, and this is what we saw play out last week, is the chip roys and thomas massies are against one, big, beautiful bill on anything. they'd be against two of them. the reality for the republican majority is, as you're trying to do these things and told leadership has to change, those members don't want to change. they want to go through this process still voting no against every appropriations bill and so forth, and just somehow think leadership will bend to them. this is where trump is going to have to weigh in, too. if this is donald trump's republican party, it's also his republican majority. he's not going to just have

to make statements and speeches. he'll have to work the phones on this a lot. >> we can look back at this a year from now, and yesterday could have been one of the most important days of the trump presidency. the thing is, they are now putting this -- like, first, we have april. you always pick the over on how long a bill is going to make its way through congress. >> yes. >> by making it bigger, it is going to delay this process. a lot of people on capitol hill were expecting the tax cuts to be done next december. now, you're trying to get all the tax code all done by the first week of april? it is incredibly complicated. there are a lot of people in the republican party that just really wanted to put points on the board and dare democrats to vote against border and energy stuff, just keep it confined to that. now, you're lumping this all in, and it has a chance to really drag this whole thing out. >> yeah. although, really, the reality is, they can't, you know -- they have to do it under reconciliation budget rules so they can get it through the senate without a filibuster. the reality means

the road. meghan, do you think democrats will feel pressure to vote for in this. >> i think there will be, depending on the bill, but it will be few people. republicans are learning they'll have to work with the democrats to get stuff done and, therefore, they'll have to make compromise. this bill is probably going to be a little bit more watered down than what trump would want. they will have to do things the democrats want. >> look, the reality is the farther away we get from -- closer we get from the midterms, farther away from the republican victories this time around, harder it'll be to do anything. straight ahead this morning, a snow emergency. major winter storm bringing historic snowfall to parts of the u.s. plus, what's behind the urgency in confirming donald trump's cabinet? friend of the show, martin mckinnon, will be here to discuss.

auchincloss chls orben claus. a brutal winter storm sweeping the nation this morning. winter weather alerts impacting 55 million people from the central u.s. to the east coast. this is a live look at a snowy street here in d.c. more than 1200 flights already canceled this morning, including hundreds of flights in and out of washington, d.c. , as our region prepares for up to 16 inches of snow in some parts. oh good. our city's mayor already declaring a snow emergency. federal offices in d.c. closed today because of snow. the closures will notably not impact congress. they are set to certify the 2024 election results later today. for the west, conditions knocking out power for more than 250,000 customers from missouri to kentucky. >> there's some really bad conditions out here. there's a lot of snow, significant amount of snow. you can see that. about 2 to 3 inches right now, and it is rapidly coming down, getting worse. i'm glad to see there's not many vehicles out here. i hope that stays the trend because you don't want

to be out in this time. it's not good. it's better to stay home, allow road workers, k- dot people to get the roadways as clear as we can, and let first responders handle those critical calls. >> let's get to our meteorologist, our weatherman, derek van dam. good morning. our panel all made it in. i made it in. but everyone else should really stay home if they can, i think. >> yeah, snow emergency, right? in d.c. , schools are canceled. they get the extra day of winter vacation. good for them. take it from this midwestern who is no foreigner to snow, this is about as bad as it gets. this is a video out of kansas. look at the sheet of ice on the tar there, then the snow covering over it. that's as slippery and dangerous as it comes, right? this storm system, though it is wrapping up around kansas, it stretches 800 miles from st. louis to our nation's capital, where winter storm warnings and advisories are in place. i- 70 corridor, interstate 95 is going to be really tricky

travel conditions, especially on the roads. also at the airports, as well. you can see temperatures supportive of snowfall. somewhere in this live earth cam is the lincoln memorial, i promise you. we all remember back in 2016, january 2016, we had snowzilla in washington, d.c. i don't think we'll get that much, but it was the last time we had a foot of snow in d.c. i don't think it is likely considering the latest trends in the radar. nonetheless, impressive snow system that will bring snowfall to the nation's capital and surrounding area. baltimore and further south. we can't forget about the ice ongoing across parts of virginia, already knocking over 250,000 customers without power across these several states. quite a story. >> unfortunately, i do have to take issue with snowzilla. we had a snowmageddon and snow -- >> google it.

it's there. >> i believe you. i believe you. i just, you know, in our political corners of the universe, we have different names for it. we're terrible at snow. i'll put it out there. the city is horrific at snow, so, yes, everyone, stay home. derek, thank you. appreciate it. >> good luck. after the break here on cnn this morning," president biden reflecting on five decades in politics, giving a small piece of advice to newcomers. reach across the aisle. congressman auchincloss here to discuss. next, new york city's monday morning traffic. the second test will be donald trump. >> donald trump is a new yorker. his office buildings, and he still owns a few, are filled with people who take mass transit, and i think he understands what traffic is doing to our city.

i feel strongly we have made major shifts. what happened last time where an officer's words haunt me forever on the police line said, "does anyone have a plan? does anyone have a plan? " the answer from the leadership back then was no. now, we have clear leadership in place. >> lawmakers and security officials taking extra precautions to ensure that today will not be a repeat of january 6th, 2021, here in washington. the snowy capitol this morning

equipped with extra fencing and law enforcement as congress convenes to certify the 2024 presidential election. for some lawmakers, like our next guest, january 6th, 2021, was the first day ing official acts as a new member of congress. many of them arrived in washington bright- eyed about enacting change for their constituents, only to be met by scenes like this. >> for members, the door is barricaded. people are flooding the hallways outside. we have no way out. >> communists and globalists, this is our nation. >> in light of the four- year anniversary of the violent capitol attack, president joe biden offered this piece of advice to this congress' new members. >> we gather to certify the results of a free and fair presidential election. ensure a peaceful transfer of power. it's a day that most of our history, we took for granted, but i hope we never take it for granted again. my advice is to embrace the

institutions. i mean it. prove it. don't tear it down. >> joining us now is congressman jake auchincloss of massachusetts. wonderful to see you. >> good morning, kasie. >> this was january 6th, 2021. you'd been sworn in a handful of days earlier as a brand- new member of congress. could you have imagined on that day, on january 6th, 2021, we'd be here today certifying donald trump being re- elected as president of the united states? >> no. it was a devastating day for our democracy. what joe biden said, i think, are wise words. when george washington first handed off power, it shocked the world. when john adams, after the country's first contested election, handed off power to thomas jefferson, it shocked the world and impressed the world all over again. i grew up with pictures of those founding fathers on my bedroom wall. i swore an oath to the constitution as a marine officer. i came to congress

worshipping those hallowed halls. to see them defiled by the insurrectionists was a terrible day. now, i'm back here four years later on a snowstorm because i'm going to watch kamala harris certify her own defeat in an act of patriotism that donald trump could never understand. >> what does it say about our country, in your view, that it has played out this way? >> i think that the country takes for granted that members of congress walked back into those chambers on january 6th and certified the election results. it allowed americans to move on to concerns about the economy, to concerns about border security, because they are able to presume that our institutional and constitutional order has been taken care of. that's a good thing. today should be boring. as joe biden said, we should also remember that we have to protect that transfer of power every four years. we also need to remember those officers who lost their lives on january 6th. the next president aided and

abetted their murder, and their families have not gotten the justice they deserve. >> what is it, do you think, that convinced americans that sh shouldn't be their top of mind voting issue, or even a top of mind voting issue? was it, you know, efforts by president trump, president- elect trump to reexplain it to people, or was it something else? >> no, i think january 6th remains unpopular. i think the attempted insurrection on january 6th is a mark of dishonor upon the american republic. actually, a majority of voters recognize that. a significant number of republicans recognize that. it just was overshadowed by other, more pressing and sail i can't salient issues. the reason it became less salient is the american electorate has confidence that, frankly, democrats will protect the peaceful transfer of power. they know we'll respect the rules of the game, win or lose. >> do you think the country -- this, of course, is set to be donald trump's last term,

right, constitutionally speaking. it'd be his second term. what level of risk is there still to the country, to the peaceful transfer of power? democrats today want to demonstrate that you all are willing to and able to continue the peaceful transfer of power, but do you have questions about whether it will remain that way in the future? >> i think we have to always be on guard. i'm watching two things, in particular. one, i'm watching the politicization of the military. the commander in chief has latitude to establish officers who he thinks are fit for service, but if he's trying to politicize the promotion process, we are going to undo a really important 250 year tradition of a non- partisan military. number two, i'm watching his sons. donald trump jr. , i think, wants to build a dynasty on the back of his father and is going to be looking for opportunities of nepotism to establish himself as the heir apparent.

>> so you think that donald trump jr. may try to take advantage of his father's name, potentially outside of our political system, inside our political system? what are you saying? >> i don't know how they're going to connive it. what i know is the trump family views politics as a family business, and one in which they want to reward each other, their spouses, their friends. jd vance got to the position he's in because he befriended donald trump's sons. i think what we want to avoid is what we see happen in other countries, including other democracies, where one family captures political institutions and it starts to be come come dynastic. that's unhealthy. we want choice in all elections. >> congressman auchincloss, thank you for being here. appreciate your time. >> thank you. a possible political shakeup coming to our neighbor to the north. canada's prime minister justin trudeau reportedly set to step down. plus, with two weeks to inauguration day, donald trump's allies trying to fast track his nominees.

why some say getting the confirmations done is more urgent than ever. mark mckinnon joins us next to discuss. >> the confirmations, do them now, do them quick. get them done in january and february. we need our team on the field.

the bear, the penguin, baby reindeer, not just things found in rfk's freezer. these are tv shows nominated today. >> trump's pick for health and human services secretary getting, shall we say, a shout-out from comedian nikki glaser at the golden globes last night. kennedy is among the trump cabinet nominees expected to meet with senators on capitol hill soon, in

preparation for confirmation hearings that could begin as early as next week. several of trump's nominees remain embroiled in controversy. some of trump's senate allies say the new year's day terror attack in new orleans has added a sense of urgency to the confirmation process. >> i want to do them sooner rather than later. when president trump left office, we had the most se cure border in american history, the caliphate was destroyed, and we killed the revolutionary guard leader. the last few years have been a disaster. we've got to get it done. we're under attack here. >> so you're -- >> we're at war. >> former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain, also of paramount's "the circus," mark mckinnon. great to see nominees. i also want to talk about january 6th and everything that means. this argument about what we saw in new orleans is going to put pressure on them to get these national security

nominees, do you think that's true when the rubber meets the road politically? >> i think that's true, but there was also a sense of urgency anyway. there is a marked difference between now and eight years ago. i was i was at the hotel victory night with trump. it reminded me of "the candidate," the robert redford movie. after elected, he turns and goes, "what now?" now, he has a team, a plan, and has been through it before. the matt gaetz disaster cleared the debris and gave republicans a chance to say, look, we took care of the bad company, but now we have business to do. the terrorist attack, again, gives people like lindsey graham and others more urgency to get this thing done. >> mark, let's talk about january 6th. i am interested in your

reflections on where we've come to. we've been playing images from that day in 2021. talking about it through the morning. donald trump is about to be certified, will stand on the steps and be inaugurated january 20th. when you think about that arc of history, what goes through your mind, and how do you think we ended up here? >> what goes through my mind is the 2000 election. bush and al gore, decided by 450 something votes. we had a peaceful transfer of power then. i mean, imagine if an election today were really down to that number of votes. people like al gore and others, you know, upheld the constitution. we saw, you know -- so i'm really struck by the

notion that kamala harris will be, you know, serving in that position thatthat pence did, and upheld the constitution. it's a marked reminder of how important this peaceful transfer of power is. we've had it through history. you know, i saw in 2000. we're seeing it today. but we didn't see it four years ago. i hope that this will remind everybody, but this is how it's supposed to work. >> one of the things we've heard from trump is he plans to pardon some of the people who were at the capitol that day. let's listen to what he said about this in december. take a look. >> you promised to pardon those who attacked the capitol on january 6th. are you still vowing to follow through with that promise? >> we're looking at it right now. most likely, yeah. these people are living in hell. >> let me just -- >> i think it is very unfair. >> but let me -- >> i'll do it very quickly.

i'm going to be acting very quickly. >> within your first 100 days, first day? >> first day. >> first day, he says. mark, what do you think the politics of this are for him? i mean, there are a range of offenses, right, that people were charged with and convicted of or pled guilty to, for violence to trespassing. if donald trump goes through with this, will he pay a political price? will republicans pay a political price? >> listen, i think he is going to try a hybrid. the politics are fraught both ways. the base believes he'll do the pardon, so he has to make good on the promise. on the other hand, it'll bring up violent images of people attacking police. i think what's going to happen, he'll find the lesser offenders, pardon those people,

and the people who, you know, where there was clear evidence of attacking or assaulting officers at the capitol, it'll be a different story, i believe. >> mark, the other, of course, aspect of this is those who went on to investigate what happened that day, the january 6th committee. trump also talked about what he wants to do there, what those people deserve. let's watch what he said about that. >> everybody on that committee, for what they did, honestly, they should go to jail. anybody that voted in favor -- >> are you going to direct your fbi director and attorney general to send them to jail. >> not at all. i think they'll have to look at that. >> so what about this particular piece of it, if he moves forward with the pieces he suggested that he wants to, what does it mean for the country, and what is the political impact? two different things, i'd say.

>> this is where i don't think he can resist his impulse. he wants to punish his opponents, like liz cheney, and this is something where the constitution is very clear. this is also something where people like kash patel are being appointed because donald trump things that's what they're going to do. he said, i'm your retribution, so stand by. that's what i expect on that front. >> mark mckinnon, grateful to have you on the show, sir. thanks for being here. see you next week, i hope. >> remember, everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face. >> good life advice, generally speaking. mark, this is why we love you. thank you. brad todd, i want to briefly ask you about the pardon question and what donald trump may do next on that. same question as the one i had for mark. is there a political price

he will pay, and is there a distinction between what people committed here? >> i think people convicted of seditious conspiracy and of plotting and encouraging the actual violence, i think there is a line there. i think if it's people who pled guilty to parading without a permit, trespassing, pardoning those people will not cause him the political problem and probably shouldn't. but i think the deeper you go into the worst of the offenders, the oathkeepers, the proud boys, that's when donald trump will have a political problem if he pardons them. >> alex, what is your sense on going after members of the january 6th committee, how democrats might respond to that, and whether republicans would be willing to go along with it? >> i think you could -- i mean, there's pressure on joe biden to pardon some of those people for this exact reason. trump is saying, i'm not going to direct people, but in the first term, he often directed them on twitter. who knows if he'll restrain himself. the nominees probably don't have

to be instructed to investigate those people. that's the reason he picked them. they're in idealogical alignment. >> doug, what does it mean, do you think? >> donald trump is an aggressive legislative agenda. we're talking about doing tax cuts and a big reconciliation bill in april opposed to june or september or december. things like this get in the way of that. if you want to have a successful legislative agenda, don't get in your own way. >> good point. it's a trap. it is a trap to get stuck in the past. donald trump has already overcome a lot of these things politically in his past. he'll be more successful if he focuses on legislation. >> that's it. how many times in politics do we hear, voters look forward, not backwards? >> consistently. 54 minutes past the hour, your morning roundup. justin trudeau expected to announce he is stepping down according to canadian media reports. the announcement could come as soon as today. sources say he hasn't made a final decision. trudeau has been prime minister for nine years but is seeing his support slide in recent polls. the resignation would leave his liberal party without a

leader ahead of elections set for later this year. commuters taking a car into manhattan now facing another toll. a new congestion pricing finau fee now in effect. it'll charge drivers $9 for driving certain parts of the city at peak hours. president-elect donald trump vowed to terminate the toll in his first week in office. we'll see about that. the golden globes kicking off hollywood's award season, full of glitz and glamour. the standout moment, demi moore winning her first award for acting for her performance in "the substance. " >> i've been doing this a long time, like over 45 years, this is the first time i have ever won anything as an actor. and i'm just so humbled and so grateful. >> "amelia perez" took home the most wins of the night with four trophies. all right. let's turn now to the pulitzer

prize- winning cartoonist resigning from "the washington post" after the newspaper refused to publish this satirical cartoon. "post" owner jeff bezos on bended knee in front of president-elect trump, handing over bags of cash. meta founder, mark zuckerberg, and openai chief sam aultmanaultman also in the cartoon, with a lipstick holding "los angeles times" holder and a bowing mickey mouse. of course, disney. in the resignation, the cartoonist wrote this, quote, i have had editorial feedback and productive conversations and differences about cartoons that i have submitted for publication. but in all that time, i've never had a cartoon killed because of who or what i chose to aim my pen at. until now. last month, bezos dined with trump after announcing he'd donate $1 million to his

inauguration. he made a decision to kill an indorsement for vice president harris for president that the editorial board drafted. ceos of google, meta, tiktok, made the trek to mar-a- lago, prompting this election from the president-elect. >> the first term, everybody was fighting me. in this term, everybody wants to be my friend. i don't know. my personality changed or something. >> everybody wants to be my friend. doug heye, more people probably saw this cartoon now in the midst of them killing it and her making this decision. what's it say about this world we're living in? >> it shows where the media conversation is. i admire anyone who says this is unacceptable to me, i'm out. also, editorial cartooning is probably not a growth industry in american media right now. you know, as we see some journalists do this, what do

you do now? your cartoon is famous now, but what happens next week? we don't know. >> a, great cartoon. second, it shows what a different place "the washington post" is in comparison to the first trump term. "the washington post," this was a -- honestly, the first trump administration was rocket fuel for "the washington post. " now, they're in disarray. not only the decision not to endorse but now this. you've had a lot of people leave "the post," and i think this washington institution is in a different place. >> the people who left "the post" first were the conservative readers. i don't want to vilify, give anybody credit for courage here. what would be real courage is if she quit was a conservative cartoon was not accepted by editors. she'll get an award from columbia for this. >> this is about the owners of the paper. yes, it's about trump, but, i mean, there does seem to be

there. >> jeff bezos, did she decide it was -- when jeff bezos, mark zuckerberg, those people were giving money to joe biden in the last administration, was that the subject of a cartoon? it was not. it was not. this is an idealogical problem. >> meghan. >> "post" deserves it. >> i don't want to sound dra mate dramatic about state- run media. musk is putting things out on x. we're getting it close to it not being objective. everyone is going to say it's always been left, more democratic leaning, but when we start censoring these things, this is where we get in trouble with our democracy. >> we talked a lot in this election about suburban moms and voting democratic groups. none are talking about editorial car cartoons. remember that. this is a d.c. conversation. >> it goes more than editorial cartoons and goes into the coverage. when you have all these people leaving and going to different publy lications and elon musk doing things on x, we're running into a place where there is a censorship piece. the argument is that it is always to the left. i see what republicans say. we're