firm and obtained by cnn. >> the point of the report was really to highlight issues throughout the french quarter, security issues, safety issues. >> reporter: the report saying that political clashes in the city may of hindered efforts to install the permanent barriers in the french quarter that were recommended to improve security. >> it was quite dplairing to see how many different groups have been fighting for the dollars and the policing dollars to protect this 1.1 square mile piece of land. >> reporter: erin, the city of new orleans asked federal officials for extensive support to protect mardi gras and the super bowl is scheduled to play there on february 9th. >> yes. they say there is an unprecedented presence. ryan, thank you very much. thanks so much to all of you for joining us on this monday

. the race over seas. later, jimmy carter with the highly praised ex-president was like as president. "60 minutes" covered him in the white house and later in his life, joins me tonight. thank you for joining us. quiet tonight on capitol hill. the snow is is only partly responsible. along with beefed up security for the tranquility. the rest is because today, unlike four years ago, but in keeping with every other such occasion, every four years, lawmakers in both parties did their jobs, certified a presidential election. the one that came up short in it, did not come up short in the process she oversaw it. >> this announcement of the state of the vote by the

president of the senate shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons elected, president and vice president of the united states. each for a term beginning on the 20th day of january, 2025. >> vice president harris announcement ratifying her opponents victory came after lawmakers took 30 minutes to certify all 538 votes, four years ago it took under 15 hours and one attempted insurrection. when republican congressman described as so. on this day in history in 2021, thousands of peaceful grandmothers took a self-guided unauthorized tour of the u.s. capitol building, during this time, some individuals entered the capitol, took photos and explored the building before leaving. now, his characterization four years ago might come to news to more than 100 police officers and other

law enforcements injured that day and to the families of the officers who died in the following days, one of multiple strokes and others by suicide. might come to news by mike pence who was evacuated along with members of his family and prevented by collins calls thousands of peaceful grandmothers from returning until after 3:00 a.m. in the morning that is when he finally managed to say these words >> the votes for the president of the united states are as follows. joseph r. biden, jr received 306 votes, donald j. trump with the state of florida has received 232 votes. >> today on social media pence welcomed the return of order and civility to the proceedings and it was admirable that harris would preside over the certification of the presidential election that she lost. as for the rioters trump promised pardons but has not specified if that is all or

some of them. today one of them enrique tarrio who is serving 22 years formally requested one. his lawyer called him a young man with an inspiring future ahead of him. as for the president-elect he posted this photo today. that is the ellipse four years ago and the crowd he summoned to washington with the words "will be wild." of course, the biggest difference between then and now this time he won just two weeks from tomorrow he will become president again. hire to talk about it david axlerod, and david urban. how do you square what we saw at the capitol today and how the president-elect is describing what happened four years ago? >> reporter: how they described what happened four years ago is fantasy. donald trump in 2020 told a lie and sold it to his supporters who came to

washington on the basis of that lie and stormed the capitol on the impression that the election was fraudulent. and that has been proven, disproven, and disproven over and over and over and over again and that was that was a sin against our democracy. he was elected president again. we only have one president at a time. he will be sworn in on january 20th and he will be president. it does not erase the memory of that. what you saw today, anderson, is how a functioning democracy works. there is no rule in the constitution that gives you the right to overrule that process and overrun the capitol if you don't like the results. so, history is clear and no re-writing on x is going to change that. >> person like trump was

complaining today about the president biden how his team is handling the transition. >> they will do everything they can to make it as difficult as possible. you know, they talk about a transition. they say, oh, no, we want a smooth transition from party to party, you know, of government. they are making it really difficult. they are throwing everything they can in the way. >> does it make sense to you? obviously i mean, he is still talking about legal cases, calling president biden dumb as a rock ,does it work for him to do this? >> it works with his base. that is not what the 75 million voters who voted for him and elected him for wants him focused on. trump made it difficult for the biden transition to come in where they could not get access until the days before he was going to be coming into office because trump was selling this myth and trying to execute this myth he

was going to stay in office. listen, donald trump won because people care about the cost of living and the border. the more he talks about prosecuting people and rantings on x and truth are, it is a distraction from what people wanted from him. he would be wise to listen to the vast majority of the country not the small 30% of the republican party base that is going to be with him no matter what he does. >> how do democrats not become background noise? >> democrats have to learn their lesson. january 6th is an important day as david stressed. a day that is etched in our country history. the problem that democrats have to realize it does not move voters any more. voters have a short memory. what moved voters is what she talked about. you have to be talking about lowering grocery prices, you have to talk about the cost of living, you have to talk about the things that every average american is talking about at their kitchen table. we lost focus of that. january 6th is a day if i were to sit here and tell you or anyone else that i want to go out and injury 140 police officers, i want to make

sure the president of the united states is down at the mall threatening the election and if kamala harris does not sign it i want her hung. that would chill the backbone of people that hear that. that is what we went through but going forward they have to be about the party of tomorrow. trump is a little man. that is what we just saw. he will air those grievances, that is fine. democrats have to find a backbone and be a party about tomorrow, not necessarily about january 6th. >> once he is sworn in he will control the white house, both houses of congress, super majority in the supreme court, do you think he will go -- who does he go after if things do not go his way? >> i hope nobody, anderson. i hope things go his way. i love hearing what you are saying and others. i think it is incumbent upon democrats to offer an alternative vision, perhaps cooperate in areas they can

agree with with this president. americans want to see america succeed. bulk of democrats want america to succeed. they want to see our country succeed and move forward. to the extent there is common ground to be reached. i think speaker johnson will work with hakeem jeffries. they will need democratic votes to get bills passed. talking about one or two big reconciliation bills. democrats will be part of that and in the house as well as the senate. so, i think it behooves democrats to cooperate where they can, to present alternative ideas in they have them. if they want to move forward and get back in the fray that is what they need to do. >> how do you see the first 100 days going in terms of what democrats do, how trump interacts with them? >> reporter: listen, i want to echo what dave urban said you

are elected not to advance the interest of your party but advance the interest of your country. i was, you know, appalled in 2009 when barack obama took office on that day, rush limbaugh hoped he would fail. he is going to reduce costs, reduce crime, end war, if he does all of those things, god bless him, good for him and good for the country. if there are places where democrats and republicans can cooperate, that is positive. the fact is, he is not evidence in the past of particular desire to want to work with democrats. if you read his social media feeds that is pretty clear even to this day. it would behoove him as it does democrats to say i

have bigger things to do than air my grievances and go after my enemies. i want to work with people where i can. let's see if he does that. >> listen, in terms of his, the people he wants to have in his cabinet. the people he wants head of the department of justice, the fbi, not the department of justice, fbi, department of defense, do you think he will get them all? >> i don't think he will get them all. majority of them. i think he should. incoming presidents have the right to fill their cabinet. republican takes their advise and their role seriously. background checks are going on. investigations, there will be confirmation hearings with a few of the picks there are questions around qualifications, pete hegseth, there are credentials to run the biggest organization in the u.s. military that is one i would key my eyes on kash pa,tel i liked him in the

administration, not sure he likes me now but he is reasonably qualified. worked in the department of congress and junior roles before. if he shows up saying we will not prosecute cheney and focus on criminal organizations and human traffickers there is a world he convinces people to be with him and says do not listen to those more wild out there theories there is my focus [ laughter ] >> david urban. >> tell me, urban >> i don't know that kash patel wants her endorsement. not sure it helps him [ laughter ] >> i want to play something that president-elect said today. >> in my first term, people were fighting me. all of the way. they were just fighting me. in this term it is so different. i think, i don't want to say people have given up because that is not nice. but, they recognize that we really do have that mandate. do

you think it is true? bush and gore. the closest one in american history. in terms of the electoral college, 200,000 votes of a difference. that is close. if you look at the house, that is insanely close. how many votes, 3-4? depends how many get put in a cabinet position. 3-4? not a mandate by any stretch. i do believe, democrats are tired right now. weary right now. we just went through this battle and sometimes when you go through this battle and running a race when you don't win, particularly to someone like donald trump it takes the life out of you. but to say democrats will not be there to fight, of course, but to david's point are there ways to work with trump in they will work with him. but there still will be a fight. there is a question about who represents the values of the country and

where we want to go and the country we want our children to be raised in. >> i was going to say, listen, i know you want to put an asterics there, there will not be someone calling for his impeachment, first two years not marred by a fake russia investigation where the entire administration is subjected to subpoenas and largely was a witch-hunt. it kept him from accomplishing a lot of things. getting the start, clean slate. and there are a lot of things the american people want to see. border secure. prices down, crisis around the world solved. the plate will be fulled and for americans we should hope for his success early, quickly and thoroughly. >> i am praying for his success. praying for it. >> thank you. >> thank you.

>> coming up next, elon musk soon to be part of the u.s. government, sort of. now weighing in. we talk about what the world's richest man is up to. canada's prime minister stepping down. why the luster faded and what happens next, ahead on 360

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. elon musk and his online followers. here is the proposition he posted on his network. america should liberate the people. for days he is drudging up a decade old's scandal in town of north england in 2014, it was found 1400 kids were abused by gangs in a english town beginning in 1997, lasting more than a decade. today, starmer the prime minister responded by suggesting musk was spreading lies and misinformation. the leader of the democratic party said the ambassador should be summoned to explain why an income u.s. official is

suggests the u.k. government should be overthrown. interviewing musk for years and author recently of a book "burn book." now, what is elon musk doing here? >> he is being patrick henry of britain? i am not sure what is happening. he is making trouble anywhere and he is embold ended by the success here. his fortune doubled. incredible. >> the investment he made, a lot of people were like oh, my god. 200 million. the greatest investment. >> yes. 10 bagger. he made $250 billion. his wealth doubled. >> that is from his stocks going up. >> tesla and others even though the results at tesla were not good. >> but people, i guess, investors believe he is so now linked to the trump organization he will get government contracts. >> yeah, i think the idea it is not an inflection of tesla but musk's business he is taking the show on the road. that is

that he is do. meddling and putting out misinformation and putting out things here. they often do, actually >> there were democrats who were hoping that, you know, the president-elect will tire of him and that relationship will sour. what do you . >> there are republicans hoping that, too, i interviewed mag whoa covered him, he is living in a cottage at mar-a-lago. i think a lot of people feel like it might change once he gets to the white house when it is harder to get in. a question if he has an office in the west wing or executive office building or he gets these famous passes, the green or the blue pass to get on the campus easily. the white house campus. the question is, how does he thrive within a white house trump administration? and i do know i have been called by a lot of trump officials, they essentially say you were right about musk. and i am like yes and what do we do? good luck,

good luck controlling him. >> there has to be a lot of -- i don't know what the emotions are of the other tech billionaires are. jeff bezos. >> you see what they are doing. >> they all went down to mar-a-lago >> yes. they got not just that, not just going to mar-a-lago but amazon just decided to do a very positive documentary today. it is an interesting choice. and then today mark zuckerberg, mma fan, he is a close trump supporter. i think they are all doing various things they can do to kiss up to trump. >> jeff bezos, blue origins, it is something that he cares a lot about. that was his post amazon plan. i know he is doing a lot with amazon and a.i. but obviously with musk, they are competitors in this. >> absolutely. >> and that has to be a big blow to that business. >> he wants to be part of it.

people don't realize this, when jeff, his speech was on space. he loves space. and, so, he wants to be doing this. e lon is directly in his way. anything that elon musk wants to do others are saying how do i get a piece of there and that. tiktok what will happen to tiktok and things like that. trump will have a lot of sway over that. therefore they all want to get in there to do that you have to pay essentially a big . >> you said musk toxic noise is the point with musk, toxic noise is his point. >> that is his brand? >> no, he creates, the flood the zone thing that steve bannon. flood the zone with misinformation, there is a little bit of real information in there or discontent. people in britain are worried and then make it a mess. say something outrageous, people respond. they are on your agenda and not

vice versa. today all of the european leaders coordinating, it felt like a coordinating effort to push back on him. now he is the story. that is how elon musk likes it. attention finder. >> is there a business reason to get involved in british politics? >> it is about control. control to get rid of regulation that is part of the thing. and i think he just likes it now. this is what amuses him. he is not paying attention to tesla or they would have better models >> how can he be running these companies? >> he is not. there are good executives. tesla is falling behind in terms of invasion and new products. that is why the sales are off for the first time. global sales are down. not paying attention. a.i. is an interest of his obviously. he is doing that by suing open a.i. >> yes. is he trying to destroy open a.i.? >> yes, because he created it and they moved on without him

and elon musk will not put up with that. >> yes. interviews with sam. >> yes. open a.i. is ahead. anything to slow competitors down. everyone thinks of elon musk as an entrepreneur he is in a way but better business person. he did not create tesla for example, just a good business person. like a henry ford character. what is interesting he uses lawsuits, noise, attacks, personal attacks, he uses his now twitter, he uses that or x whatever you want to call it. he uses all of his tools to do these things. they are all the same to create noise and attention on him. really, the stock reflects elon musk all of the time. >> a lot. >> he does now. yes. >> thank you very much, appreciate it. always great to talk to you. up next, justin trudeau's departure and president biden and jill biden are in new orleans where he just spoke at a service remembering 14 people murdered in a terrorist attack on new year's day. more on those

comments and the ongoing investigation and more on the unease of january 6th pardons, speaking to a son that fears for his life after helping put his father in prison

. president biden is in new orleans right now. he and the first lady laid a wreath on bourbon street to remember the 14 people killed and others injured after a man rammed his struck to people and shot people. the visit comes the same day that the city kicks off another popular attraction, carnival season. the fresh concerns about the security. half an hour ago president biden spoke at a prayer service invoking his own experience with grief and loss. >> the families left behind, we know from some experience, it is hard. i promise you, the day will come when the memory of your loved one, you pass that

park, open that door, smell that fragrance, just remember that laugh, and the memory of your loved one will bring a smile to your lips before a tear to your eye. >> the president's visit comes a day after the fbi released videos of the attacker. the fbi says the video is from late october one of two visits he made in months prior to the attack. bicycling through the french quarter and filming what he sees with a pair of meta smart glasses. the fbi released videos showing him placing two different coolers with a ied a block apart on bourbon street, hours before the attack, neither were detonated. we were surprised to learn the new details, particularly he visited new orleans twice and used the smart glasses to videotape things without being noticed. >> absolutely. we have a lot of information about that press conference yesterday. the

details about his prior trips, with the additional detail of his reservation of the vehicle he wanted to use in the attack. really opened up a different side of this, of this attacker. it really shows him to be much more deeply engaged in long-term operational planning cycle. initially the reports that he driven to new orleans, essentially the evening before the attack seemed to make it seem like a matter of haste or emotional response to something. that is not the case here. this guy really planned this thing out with metic meticulous way and it went beyond his experience in the military. the composition of the ied, planning of the bombs, things he did not learn in his military training because of the sorts of assignments he had were more administrative.

really makes him look more much serious than we thought. >> and it was reported a couple days ago about this unique compound that was apparently used in the ieds that is not something used or seen in the u.s. before. >> reporter: yeah, i think for me, anderson, all of the small details that seem anomalous with his background and experience all start to point in the direction of assistance or aid. now, there is no proof of this yet. we don't have solid evidence that he was actually working with people in isis or another terrorist group. but, his foreign travel certainly opens up the possibility that the purpose of that travel was to meet with terrorists or supporters of terrorists causes who can help him plan this attack. now you have details of the explosive compound, again, these are sophisticated steps for a guy

who had little explosives, if any explosives experience before this attack. and, if he was actually planning with isis members or supporters overseas it is a concerning development. it presents a elegant and effective lead for investigators to follow to open up visibility on a pipeline of potentially other operatives. >> i want to show again new video of this attacker places coolers with ieds inside of them on bourbon street. he planned to detonate but had the wrong device to do so. it was reported days ago he had a transmitter in his vehicle. how unusual is it? first of all it is unusual he would go to the location first, plant these devices and then i guess go and retrieve his vehicle and make this attack. how unusual is it for a preplan like there to have one individual setting off, you know, setting up these

things in advance and botching a detonation like that? >> you know, you go to war with the army that you have, right? so, if you are an isis recruiter and you see this jabbar as an opportunity to take someone with a clean passport and lives in the united states, get him trained up and back in there to execute it. that is the guy you go with. better to have several operatives, they may of only had one. as far as his failures with detonation of the devices that is not atypical at all. they are unreliable and particularly if made by first time builders. it is possible he had trouble kind of putting them together in a row liable and effective way. we have seen that in many, many cases. in fact, a plan who intended to blow up u.s. subway trains was

discovered because he male email communications when he communicated with his trainer. common in first time operatives. coming up, more on the possibility of presidential pardons for january 6 rioters, the story of a father sentenced to more than seven years in prison for the crimes versus the son who helped put him there and hopes he stays in prison. we have that story. later, the legacy of former president carter who will lie in state tomorrow at the capitol rotunda.

. after nine year on the job, justin trudeau is leaving office and stepping down as canada's liberal party once a new leader is chosen. what led

to his resignation? >> reporter: anderson, justin trudeau built a progressive brand. after trump took office in 2017 he tried to separate himself from trump. when he ordered that ban, the muslim ban, on the muslim countries he went to the airport and pretty much defied him and welcomed the syrian refugees to canada. not all canadians were happy about the refugees. then, 2017 his star started to fade because of that. he pushed for the very restrictive measures during the pandemic, people in canada were not happy about that. protests all across canada about that. it really paralyzed the country. now trump has reportedly suggest as you know canada become the 51st state. and hit on the economy and then over christmas trump

has been trolling him. he said wayne gretzky, the hockey great should run for prime minister in canada. he is calling justin trudeau the governor because he is considering it the 51st state. then elon musk really unleashed his own assault on trudeau online writing this about him on x he is an insufferable tool he will not be in power much longer. all of that, anderson, combined has been an issue for trudeau. >> can you remind people of his background? it was a huge story in 2017. >> yeah, he was born on christmas. he comes from a family of politics. his father was prime minister for four terms, worked as a high school teacher before elected to parliament, at age of 36 he was elected. he got a jolt of popularity in 2012 and voted into his role as prime minister

in 2017. >> all 15. the former proud boy's leader we mentioned hoping for a pardon is not alone. 1500 people were charged with crimes connected to january 6. the president-elect told "time magazine" they will come in the first hour. he has been vague about a blanket pardon. last week he said there may be some exceptions. this has not flipped the nation but a family where a son turned in and later testified against his father for now, remains in prison. we have that story. >> if trump pardons your dad what is your biggest fear? >> getting shot on the street, i don't know. >> by your father >>. >> by my father, someone he knows, a bunch of people that i don't know, i don't know their intent. so, want to help me lift this? >> sure. >> this, this is jackson. >> take this end of it here? >> yes. please. he is moving out of his rental home into hiding for his own safety.

>> i bought a gun because i am paranoid. moving out because i am scared >> do you know how to fire a gun? >> yeah, i have been shooting it. >> i have two, i have to wear it around the house often just to get used to how it feels. >> okay. >> reporter: jackson's dad is guy reffitt. >> i kept going, go forward, go forward. i could not see, bro. serving more than seven year sentence for his role in the january 6th capitol attack. reffitt was convicted of five felonies including carrying a firearm on capitol grounds. >> so you reported your dad to the fbi? >> yes. >> that is what got him arrested basically? >> more or less, yes. >> what effect has that had on your family? >> it destroyed it. >> was there a moment where you thought, i know my dad has done all of this stuff but i don't want to report him?

>> yeah. i still feel horrible, of course. like i can't get over it but i don't regret it. >> when was the last time you spoke to your dad? >> five months ago. the first time i talked to him. just a crying fest for the first 10 minutes and, that was great. and then i brought up the fact that i am worried about him getting out and he was almost puzzled. he was confused as to why i thought that. >> are you overreacting? >> no, i get death threats daily, hourly at this point. >> unknown to us it was our 18-year-old son who turned his dad into the f.b.i. >> why? >> why did he do it? >> my son is declared democratic socialist. >> his mom is one of the most prominent people campaigning for the release of people serving time for january 6th. >> each and every one of them. >> christopher albert >> nicole left texas and moved to washington, d.c. where she takes part in a nightly vigil out here, outside of the city's jail. >> even coming here for

hundreds of nights >> almost 900 >> why? >> after i saw what happened to my husband i could not sit on my hands at home anymore. >> wish guy did not come here on january 6th? >> no, i am glad he stood up for something. >> continue holding the line. it is almost done >> including guy reffitt that called in to wish nicole happy birthday. >> happy birthday. sorry i could not get you something better than 80 months. >> are you confident that trump will let your husband walk free? snow i feel like trump is a man of his word >> what is next up? >> to continue to fight. >> together. >> nicole is sometimes joined in dc by her two daughters, jackson's sisters who are caught in the middle of a divided family. >> we have nothing against jackson. jackson is my brother. i love him no more than i love my father. i love my father, i love the family. >> the girls and i received

hundreds of mailed death threats, not talking about online things, i am talking about rain to my daughters, death to my husband, death to me. >> you don't think jackson has to be afraid of his dad? >> no. i think that is put on the record several times >> why is jackson so afraid? >> i just think that it is, the same thing where people think this red hat on my head is scary and dangerous. that same mentality. jackson comes from a lot of love and a lot of love to be given. >> and justice for all. >> i love my mom. of course. >> do you love your dad? >> of course i love my dad. i love my dad. but i can't foal safe around him. i hate having to put myself in this situation to feel some sort of comfort after the election and what will happen when my dad gets pardoned and all of these hundreds and thousands of people get validated for their actions and i am one of those

people that call trader my said traders get shot. that has been ringing in my head for years and years and years. >> rettiff said he will never have anything to worry about for me in if your dad is watching this what is your message to him? >> that i love him and i hope he gets better. i hope i get better, too. i hope i grow out of this paranoticia . >> joining us from outside washington, d.c. detention center where rioters are being held. what is going on there tonight? >> reporter: hey, anderson, look, these demonstrators behind me here they have been here for almost 900 nights, a lot of them are relatives, family members who are serving, in the dc jail here or in prisons across the country.

what has been happening as you saw if that piece some prisoners are calling in, there is just a couple counterdemonstrators across the street here. but a very large police presence here. ok, i thk this really der lines these are threddest of the d maga folks. they are really expeing president-elect trp to pardon everybody from the prd boys on down. and, you know, you can see here the dedication. many of course, they are misle in their efforts, misguided but they are not going to stop making noise until trump pardons everybody. >> incredible story. incredible to see the family divided like that. remembering former president jimmy carter next. we'll be right back.

. georgia is saying good-bye to the 39th president ever the united states states. the native son. he will lie in pose at the carter center in atlanta until tomorrow morning. air force plane will carry the casket to washington to lie in the state at the capitol rotunda where americans can pay their respects. he died last week in his hometown of plains, georgia. he will be laid to rest there next to his wife of

77 years, rosalynn, who died last year. joining us tonight, my "60 minutes" colleague who covered carter during his term in the white house. interviewing him a number of times. she asked him about one of his preserved shortcoming >> they told you that you had an image of weakness. you write that they told you this >> they did. >> last of esteem in the public eye and they just beat up on you. >> i think they were telling me that the public image of me was that i was not a strong leader. that i should not only arouse support from affection but from fear. >> so, did you change? did you start to operate from fear? [ laughter ] >> maybe a little bit more than i would have. >> it is so fascinating, leslie. i think people forget he, he tried to get the white house to stop playing hail to the chief when he entered a room. he did a lot of things

that the american public was not used to. reversed himself on hail to the chief. what was he like to cover? >> first he reversed himself pause the public wanted him to be ceremonial. they like the trappings of the idea of presidential power. he felt that after nixon it was time to dial back on the imperial presidency. the public did not like that. that is why he had to give up all of those things he was trying to do to reduce the sort of imagery. he did not like the gimmicks >> and did not like the politicking, the deal making. in an interview with you and recordings that he made for "60 minutes" he was calling congress people who wanted, you know, i will support you in this if you hire this person for this position. he found that hostage taking i think he referred to it. >> yes and felt it was sinful. he was a religious man. he felt

there was something swarmy about making deals. when i saw speilberg's movie on lincoln and i realized how much of that had gone on in his precedency, i realize that there were things that make a president successful. jimmy carter just did not want to do, did not respect. and it hurt him. it hurt his image. >> he was not sort of the washington establishment, not even the democratic establishment initially in georgia. he ran once, lost, second time, got it. was that part of the problem? my understanding is official washington just rejected him and everybody around him. >> you know, he rejected official washington. >> that is true, too. >> really, i think it started with him. >> he made notes, recordings, journals that he would record them while in office, later publish them. you interviewed him for that. they were brutally honest >> the little clip that you ran that was his cabinet. he

invited them to criticize him. come on, beat up on me and they did. they told him that he had an image of weakness. that he was not perceived as strong and that he needed to tossen up to become a more successful president. you know, we say that he was not successful. yet, today, as we have visionism on jimmy carter coming forth we realize how much he did get done. when you see the list it is astonishing >> his domestic policy advisory was on recently. i was talking to him. one of the things was the deregulation that we associate with republicans, the champion. jimmy carter started deregulating the airlines, enabling more people to be able to democracy on air travel. cable industry, interstate trucking as well >> and he was famous for it at the time. even though later

ronald reagan got all of the credit. someone said that jimmy carter was the first republican president because he did that and so many other things. he shepperred if he did not put it out in his elbow greece. he was the one that got israel. he started fema. the list goes on and on what he did. he had, he had energy policy that was successful. >> he had the longest post precedency. 43 years, when he left office did you anticipate, did you ever anticipate the post precedency he would have? >> no, nobody did. i don't even think he did >> i think that defined him in so many people's eyes >> yes, what we are seeing now in his death is that he was far more successful in what he got done as president than we thought at the time, that his

reputation was not only at the time but maybe throughout his life until now. as we look back and see the list that is quite astonishing. it is amazing that he had the sense of weakness. he had the hostages in iran for over a quarter of his precedency. >> yeah. >> and yet he got all of these things done >> and his relationship with rosalynn carter, 77 years, just remarkable >> it was a really happy marriage. >> the thing that i can not believe that i learned talking to somebody from his hometown, that, that his mom actually delivered rosalynn. so, he actually saw rosalynn when he was three years old. came over >> his mother delivered rosalynn carter. i don't think i ever i ever knew that. >> incredible. such a pleasure. it is an honor. >> nice to work with you. >> i know. in person. we cross in the hall all of the time.

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