conservatives, including trump. but something i heard from online safety experts yesterday that i think is relevant is like free expression. for whom? because maybe if you're somebody who wants to make these kinds of comments, you feel freer to do that on meta's platforms now. but if you are, say, a woman or a transgender individual, you might actually feel less free speaking up on the platforms because you might be targeted with this kind of ugly language. >> the fact that they can sort of call women property. i mean, how long is it before they do that with black folks? like, that's the trend. and but it is. the supreme court has said hate speech is free speech. so we're seeing sort of a big change here as the political climate also changes. >> and i should say, too meta did say it will continue to enforce its targeted bullying policy. so if you're doing this to a specific person over and over again, that will be a violation. but these general comments won't. >> interesting. clare duffy, thank you so much. a new hour of cnn news central starts right now.

>> it's literally apocalyptic. when we were running down, you could see palm trees just like random palm trees on fire. >> oh, you can see the fire from back here. >> now, i've never seen anything. >> fires were this close to the cars. a lot of these people are terrified. and they don't have a blanket. they don't have a wrap. they have nothing. i'm scared for my life. >> it was. >> it's terrifying. it's incredibly important that we heed the warnings. the calls that we're not out of the woods by any stretch of the imagination. >> and the breaking news. you heard it right there. the worst situation they have ever seen. that is what we just heard from the national weather service on the fires in and around los angeles. the mayor there just said it will get worse. it will get worse in the next several hours. again, officials are telling us that this moment right now is critical. more evacuations are expected. the winds are explosive embers and

toxic fumes everywhere. the fires are 0% contained, and crews say they are simply unforgettable. as we said, tens of thousands of people have been told to evacuate already. that number could grow. officials are begging people to pay attention to the warnings. let's get right to the ground. cnn's stephanie elam live in pacific palisades. stephanie, you just put your goggles on. we've heard from you. you've never seen anything like this. >> no. and i really feel like i'm in a hurricane the way the winds are blowing. except for the fact that i'm surrounded by all the smoke and the smell that that acrid smell of a wildfire when it's burning through buildings. and the winds have really picked up. also, i can tell you that there was a building standing there. we watched it burn down, but now i think that this is an apartment complex, and i can see now that there are little spots burning inside this building. we are concerned that this building may go up. not sure yet. you can see that it's still burning on the other side of it there. this is

the reason why tens of thousands of people have been evacuated. while we see these three blazes threatening homes, burning down homes. we know homes have been lost at this point. we know that there are tens of thousand people without power. some of them shut off for safety to try to contain how bad these blazes can grow here. it has gotten really, really smoky. previously, i could kind of see down the pacific coast highway and i can't really see anything at all now. it's just completely smoky out here. treacherous driving conditions, getting out here as well. there are power lines down. there are trees that are burning. the other issue you can see here is that there are some palm trees there. palm trees are very pliant. and so what we are concerned about is we can see embers flying off of these buildings that are on fire back here. and when those embers take off in the wind, they can land on a palm tree. palm trees just become fire throwers. they can take that fire. and just

because they're bending so much, throw that flame even more. we have been looking at some very large embers blowing off of this fire and coming this way. and it's coming. it's backwards in what we're normally used to, because the ocean is directly behind where we're standing. so normally we would feel the winds coming off of the ocean. they're coming. they're mixing right now, but they're coming this way. so this is why it's treacherous out here on the pacific coast highway. we know that homes have been lost. it's very narrow streets in there. this has been a long time since we've seen this area burn. that also means there's more vegetation there. and then on top of it, l.a. county is back in drought. this has been the driest start to the wet season on record. so you've got to take into account, since it's january that climate change is a part of what's happening here. john. >> steph, as we look at the pictures behind you, just for one second, if we can just listen in, because i did hear that wind. i did hear some of the popping. let's see if our audience can hear it

right now. yeah. you can really hear. you can really hear the wind blowing right behind you. we did just see some sparks flying off that building. >> firecrackers? >> yeah, it sounds like it sounds like firecrackers off in the distance behind us. >> but that's actually the fire exploding through different parts of these buildings behind there. that's exactly what that is. and a few times things have blown off. and there's some street signs over here, and they hit the street sign and we we all jumped to see what it was because it's so dark out here. but you do hear the snapping, the popping, the breaking of things out here between the wind and the wildfire. it is so dangerous. i've seen nothing like this here in this area, like we're experiencing right now. >> all right, stephanie elam, you and your team, we're going to come back to you. please stay safe. make sure you've got a way out if you need it. because as you just said, there

is concern that some of those buildings around you could go up. we'll come back to you in a sec, sarah. >> all right. these fires are just burning out of control. you heard the explosion. it sounded like explosions there in the hills of the pacific palisades. but it's also happening in the valleys and the home of the rose parade, pasadena. joining us now is tricia constantino. she is a pacific palisades resident and had to evacuate her home. thank you so much for joining us. i know this is a really difficult time. when did you realize you were in serious danger and had to get out? >> well, actually, sarah, my husband and i were taking a walk and we saw the smoke before, maybe 15 minutes before the fire department even was on site. >> so in the beginning, we really, you know, we get these fires, they happen. and um, we were being looky loos. we were videotaping, um, and we

weren't getting any cell service where we were when we started walking back to the house, we saw actually, we could see all of the smoke suddenly, and we started to run because we knew it had gotten much worse very quickly. um, we we got home, we were getting evacuation orders. we live in the highlands, which is a canyon community in pacific palisades. there's one road going in and out, um, which is very precarious. and although we were being told to evacuate, we, um, we were also being blocked by the road by police. it was very confusing. um, and we decided to risk it and to drive past the police. and it was so unbelievable. the canyon was on fire that i ended up turning back with my son and going back home, um, because we felt we might be safer back at home.

um, and then an hour later, things just kept getting worse. and we made the decision to try once more. mm. >> we're looking at some of the pictures and videos that you took. tricia. and they're remarkably scary when you see the fire almost surrounding, surrounding you as you're trying to get out. do you do you know what's happened to your home? >> you know, we went to bed around 1 a.m. yesterday. i think, um, shockingly, although the fire started in the highlands, i think our community is mostly okay. um, it went down and headed into town, which has never, ever happened before. um, so i think my home is okay, but i have a business in the village that i do not think made it. um, there are a lot of businesses owned by residences that are gone. >> can you tell me what you

experienced as you you know, you talked about trying to leave, and i am familiar with the highlands and how tight it is just trying to get out of any hills. but this is particularly precarious. can you describe what was going on around you, what you were hearing and experiencing with the wind? and as the fire is just raging um, you know, when we first entered the canyon, it looked clear. >> and it's a bit of an s. the first time we went, we actually picked up a young man was just walking through the canyon. he worked in the neighborhood, and i made him get in my car. um, and as we turned the corner, the plumes of smoke were just billowing up the road. um, there was burnt ash. there were flames on either side of us. uh, the car was very quickly getting smoky. we had wet towels over our faces. um, and the cars ahead of us were not

moving. there's also all of this debris had fallen on the road. there were rocks and small boulders. um, so that first attempt, um, i realized if i can't see, i might get caught. um, the second time we went down, we actually had a police escort, and they had cleared the debris. and at the bottom of the road, there must have been 30 or 40 abandoned cars. so i'm really glad we didn't try that first time. um, because i don't know if we would have gotten through. there were just vehicles on fire on the road burning. um, there's a church school at the bottom of the hill. um, some of my students go to it. it is. it was on fire. um, the grocery store, the i mean, it it actually, it was so surreal. i felt like we were in that movie, the war of the worlds. um, it i didn't recognize the streets that i were on

as our own. >> that is harrowing, the way that you described all that. and i'm so glad you picked up that young man who was walking around, because he may not have survived just looking at the pictures. now, i know that you own this tutoring business in pacific palisades, and you believe that that may be gone. where are you now and how are you and your family doing? >> um, my husband, i'm recently remarried and my husband has a home, actually about an hour and a half outside of the palisades. so we had somewhere to go. um, so, you know, my family is safe. um, my daughter, luckily just went back to college a few days before, um, we have our pets. um, everyone, i've spoken to all of our friends, um, my clients, everyone is safe. um, i would say half of the people i know, um, i have about 200 students. i think about half of the people i know have

lost their homes. wow. >> half of the people, you know, it's really yeah, yeah. i'm so sorry to hear that. >> i watched them burning. >> oh, it's so, so scary. is an even. doesn't even cover it. but then you have to turn around and go back and see what's happened to your neighborhood. and you've already seen the destruction, and it's going to likely get worse. tricia constantino, thank you so much. i'm i'm very happy to see that you and your family survived this. and hopefully your home will as well. i appreciate you coming on this morning and speaking to us. thank you. >> kate, that is just so horrible to think about. i mean, i think any half of the people, you know, losing their homes is just that's gut wrenching and so sad and such a reality that i'm sure more and more people are facing right now. let's get over to cnn's meteorologist, derek van dam, to see what the next few hours are going to be like. derek, we're still hearing that this is going to get worse before it begins to improve. what are you expecting in the

next few hours? >> yeah, unfortunately, i do believe that the most intense part of the santa ana wind event will be occurring in the coming hours. so the next few hours will be absolutely critical for firefighters and the residents who are unfortunately dealing with this moment. hey, i listened to a press report from governor newsom yesterday saying that this is no longer fire season. this is fire year. it happens all year round. and now we had the battalion chief, public information officer from cal fire on earlier this morning talking about this is the third time they've actually had the incident management team deployed in the month of january fighting these major fires here in los angeles county. so that's really saying something. and going back to stephanie elam reporting, talking about how palm trees become literal flame throwers, this is an example of just that. look at how the embers from that just get picked up by the intense winds and driven across the roadways

at such a rapid rate. that is what we call erratic fire and extreme fire behavior. this is the moment the palisades fire is one of three major fires burning out of control. 0% containment over western l.a. county ignited yesterday afternoon. you can see the direction of the wind funneling up and over the mountain ranges. so here is a cal fire map showing you the burned areas of the palisades fire. here is western l.a. county. this is santa monica. this is the burned area. and you can see the ravines and the canyons here that these spot fires ignite new additional fires. and those are all buildings that have either burned or are currently burning as we speak. the wind direction is critical. will it move a little bit to the more of a northerly direction? so that would put more of the western l.a. county, densely populated residential area at threat. we need to monitor that very closely, because at the moment, right now it's gusting over 60mph. there will be a relaxing

in the winds through the course of the day before it picks up again overnight tonight. not as extreme as what we experienced overnight last night. however, we do anticipate the critical fire weather behavior to continue right through thursday. at least here. kate is the latest three fires that we are monitoring. and again, this is the driest start to the water year that southern california has ever experienced. >> and you can see the result of that. derek, thank you so much. we're going to be checking obviously checking back in with derek a lot as we see these remarkable terrifying pictures out of los angeles. >> we hear the blazes are essentially unfilmable. that's what we just heard from firefighters on the front lines. los angeles asking off firefighters to check in and report to work if they can. you can understand why, as you're looking at these live pictures and then moving from irritated to actively off, how one analyst just described international attitudes about donald trump's new. expansionist goals, and president biden just gave his

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absolutely everywhere. >> the only thing that changes is where we're at on pch and what we see. initially we saw multiple homes engulfed in flames. lots of properties where homes used to stand, just down to their foundations. >> now, as we move west, we just passed a stretch where there was power pole after power pole after power pole impeding fire trucks from going through that area, going eastbound. >> and now we are on a stretch where on one side we see what used to be a home, a chimney where memories were made and just flames in the middle of not even a foundation, but just rubble. i mean, everything kind of turned to dust and you see kind of spots and pockets of where flames are. and i also want to note that we have cars or shells of the cars. i mean, these were very, very warm at one point. now they're somewhat chilly. i also want to note here in malibu, we're in the

mid to high 50s, but sparkle and i were feeling pretty warm because we feel heat from absolutely everywhere, heat from behind us, and also across the street. oh yeah, we are feeling that too. when we got here a little less than one hour ago, we saw a little pocket of flames coming out of that roof. now it seems like that structure is engulfed in flames from inside, and that fire is able to kind of melt that metal roof that we see there. the power pole now leaning. you also see that at the bottom. >> that's just this morning from one of our reporters from our affiliate. let's go right now, i think joining i think we've connected. joining me on the phone is captain jacob robb. he's a paramedic and public information officer with the los angeles city fire department. can you hear me? jacob. captain? >> yes, i can. good morning. >> thank you. thank you so much for jumping on so early. can you give me the latest? that of what you what you all are seeing and what you know about

that massive palisades fire? yeah. >> you know, i'm on the ground right now. the palisades fire. >> this is an extremely dynamic situation. >> it's something we have not seen in years in southern california. i've been on a lot of significant fires in the area, and this one is different. these wind events we're experiencing. i was just driving through the canyon. we're looking at up to 100 mile an hour gusts, and they're very, very erratic. um, due to that, our latest mapping was done yesterday. it's obviously known to grow significantly, but we're looking at 3000 acres. we expect that number to rise drastically in the morning hours. if and when we can get our mapping aircraft up and able to map an accurate fire perimeter. um, this is just obviously a truly devastating wildfire. we have over 400 resources assigned. we have a lot more on the way because of these high winds, we are unable to fly our rotor wing aircraft, which is one of the main methods we use to

attack a wind driven brush fire. they are rendered ineffective and are not able to fly. we're hoping that in the morning hours we're able to get our fixed wing aircraft. some of those large water dropping, you know, large aircraft out there to drop retardant and begin to try to get a handle on this fire. but at this point, it is just very difficult to to ascertain how large this fire is. and we're still in the very early stages of just life safety and making sure we get everyone out safe and protect all the life we can. >> and that's exactly i was here. i was just speaking with the city council president, who was saying the very same. the terrifying thing is the unknown, because you cannot get your aircraft in the air to fight it and even assess it is part of the is a huge part of this. i mean, we know that containment efforts had to be put on pause because of the winds last night, as you said, to focus on saving lives. is that still the status

as of right now, no containment efforts have been able to be started back up. correct. >> we are still really in that life safety mode. we're trying to make sure that anyone that is still hunkered down in their homes, that they exit safely before the fire makes it to them. we have obviously had a significant amount of injuries and burns from patients trying to escape the fire. that left too late, and we were able to obviously treat them and bring them to local area hospitals. but we urge everyone to exit immediately while it is still safe. and we have a very large mandatory evacuation area and there's safe exit corridors to get out. you know, i'm on pch right now and there is no traffic. you know it. exit your house. now, if you're listening to this and you're still in there, we're looking at winds picking up. like i said, you know, we felt 70 to 80 mile an hour, up to 100 mile an hour gusts this morning. and the

national weather service is, you know, expecting it to pick up through the day to day before this is over. but i will say one more thing. it's such an erotic wind event that normally on our santa ana winds, we have them blowing in one direction. but as they're going to the ocean, i'm sitting here at pch, they're actually flipping around and turning into an onshore breeze. so it's pushing the fire that would normally end at the ocean, back up the canyons to get that areas of unburned fuel and potentially reignite areas that have already burned through. >> and that's a perfectly perfect way of describing just how horrible this this scenario is. i mean, it's the definition of the perfect storm because the winds are so erratic that you're describing some of the first significant injuries. you said that you have been encountering. can you talk to me more about what you're seeing with people and patients? >> like i stated, you know, there is, again, this is a, you know, reiterate, it is very early stage of this fire. we're

focusing on life safety. that being said, a lot of people did come asking for medical attention. those were all addressed. i don't have a, you know, a set number for you, but there was multiple patients burn victims, other injuries from trying to flee the fire, people fleeing on foot, broken broken bones. like i stated, a lot of burn injuries, a lot of smoke inhalation injuries. and that includes civilian. we did have some firefighter injuries as well. those were all transported to the hospital. um, some, some head trauma, a lot of eye injuries and a lot of exhaustion and smoke inhalation. >> right now, i can only imagine. and as we've been told, it will pick up. it will get worse before it will be getting better. and it is all on. it is all on you guys, and it's all hands on deck for all of you right now. so, captain, thank you very much for jumping on and good luck today. thank you so much.

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he would have had the energy for another term in that rare exit interview. he also revealed he hasn't decided if he'll join three other presidents in issuing preemptive pardons. cnn's arlette saenz is joining us now. what did he say that sort of led him to run for a second term in the first place? >> well, sarah, president biden has said that he was driven by the need to ensure that donald trump did not return to the white house. and in this interview with usa today, he said that he still does believe that he could have won the election in november. but the president, the 82 year old president, makes a very stark admission when he said that he does not know if he would have the stamina to serve in a second term. i want to read you a bit of this interview that he had with usa today, susan page, where page asked, do you believe you could president said, it's presumptuous to say that, but i think, yes, based on the polling that and then she asks, do you think you would have had

the vigor to serve another four years in office? biden then says he was motivated to run in the first place back in 2020, in order to defeat trump. but then he says about a second term, i don't know who the hell knows. so far, so good, but who knows what i'm going to be when i'm 86 years old? now, first, it's unclear what polling president biden was pointing there in his argument that he could have won in november as most of the polls around the time he dropped out showed a very close race, or potentially trump as a slight lead in that race. but also, this is really the first time that we are really hearing biden speak bluntly about the limitations of his age. it comes as many democrats, many american people, had serious questions about president biden's ability to serve in a second term. polling even showed that before he made the decision to run up in 2020. and it comes at a time when there has also been a lot of democratic finger pointing, blaming, in part, president biden's decision to even run in the first place for why president trump was reelected

this november. >> arlette, can you tell us who he would give those preemptive, you know, pardons to? there are people who have said we don't want them because we didn't break any laws. did he mention any names? >> well, president biden said that he has not made a decision about issuing preemptive pardons before he leaves office, leaving open the possibility that he could offer these protections to some of his allies in the coming weeks. now, we know that there have been discussions among senior white house officials, administration officials and also some prominent defense attorneys here in washington, d.c., about the potential for preemptive pardons for those individuals who could be targeted for prosecution once trump returns to power. in this interview, he was specifically asked about potential pardons for liz cheney and also doctor anthony fauci. he said that he isn't sure at this time, but he also revealed that when he met with president-elect trump in the oval office in november, he said he was very

straightforward with him and said that he should not try to target some of these people. the president said in this interview, quote, i tried to make it clear that there was no need, and it was counterintuitive for his interests to go back and try to settle scores. now, biden went on to say that trump didn't really respond to this comment, that he simply sat there and listened. but it is interesting to hear that biden was trying to persuade, trying to influence a trump in this front. and we will see whether the president does decide to issue any of these types of preemptive pardons. in his final 12 days in office. >> all right. arlette saenz, live from the white house for us, john. >> all right. this morning, the new headline in politico is this maga meets manifest destiny. and they wrote that after this exchange between president elect trump and cnn, political and national security analyst david sanger. listen. >> can you assure the world that as you try to get control of these areas, you are not going to use

military or economic coercion? no. are you going to negotiate a new treaty? are you going to ask the canadians to hold a vote? what what is the strategy? >> i can assure you, you're talking about panama and greenland. no, i can assure you on either of those two. but i can say this. we need them for economic security. the panama canal was built for our military. military? i'm not going to commit to that now, with us now is one of the stars of that exchange, new york times, white house and national security correspondent david sanger, and executive director of the mccain institute evelyn farkas. >> david, that answer that he gave to you with your terrific question there. how did you read that? did you read that as a genuine threat, that maybe military coercion will be necessary? >> well, the reason i asked the question, john, was that i had heard that he has considered and raised privately the

possibility that he may need to use other elements of american power to force his will here. and you'll remember in the first term he floated the idea of the united states buying greenland. he's not the first president to do that. harry truman suggested it in the 1940s. um, greenland said it wasn't interested in selling. and, you know, in most real estate transactions at that point, you sort of go away and say, let me know if you ever change your mind. but he has not dropped this. he's expanded it. and now to the panama canal. and then with his jokes, which have now taken a more menacing sound, that canada should become the 51st state. so i wanted to explore the question of is he willing to back this up? now, you could interpret his answer two ways, john. one is that he's looking for negotiating leverage here, and the other that this time he actually does plan to use it, even though he did not

articulate very clearly what the national security threat to the united states was. >> evelyn, our friend ian bremmer was talking specifically about canada, but i imagine you could apply it also to the situation around the panama canal and greenland. he said that canada, but maybe other countries are going from irritated to actively off about this type of type of talk. what are you hearing in the international community? >> yeah, i mean, i think that initially there was a tendency to maybe not take it seriously. obviously, he's not even the president yet. so the leaders of the world are kind of holding their breath. but i think you saw panama come out very clearly and say, no way, jose, pun intended. you know, you can't have our canal. we control it. not china, not anyone else. and we maintain control over that. the situation with greenland is actually quite complex because while denmark is the sovereign over greenland. greenland also has its own government and its own self-government. so those folks have been very clear in

denmark that the united states has no business interfering with the sovereignty of their control or their their governing of greenland. the people of greenland and the government of greenland. they're happy to make a deal with us. we have a base on greenland, and in panama we have freedom of navigation. there's no threat. there are assets. there are reasons why you would want to have a good relationship with panama and greenland, so you could get access to minerals, get your trade flowing through the panama canal, make sure that china doesn't get an advantage over us. certainly when it comes to greenland, there's also access to the arctic, which is now opening up to trade to, frankly, military lines of transit. so we want to make sure that we have the upper hand over china, over russia, over our adversaries. but hello, these are allies and partners. we can negotiate this. >> to that end. david, what what are the actual national security threats from china and russia in regards to greenland

and the panama canal? and how do they compare to other threats from china and russia around the world? >> well, you know, evelyn gets a very good point here. i mean, obviously we have interests in minerals. we have interest in minerals in a lot of places around the world that we're not trying to take on as part of the united states. we have interest in free transit. and there's no question that the russians and the chinese are competing with the u.s. in the arctic, and that china has had for many, many years two ports at either end of the panama canal. but as you just heard from evelyn, they don't control the canal. so then the question is, where does this fit in the hierarchy of national security threats that we're facing that the president might want to address in his first six months or year in office? well, he made no mention of the chinese, uh, cyber intrusions. salt. typhoon. volt typhoon into our utility

grid, into our telecommunication system, which has been really the big shock to the american national security community in the past six months to a year. he made no mention of taiwan. he made no mention of the cutting of cables. um, around the world by russia and by china. telecommunications, undersea cables that could cut off the internet. these all seem to me, john, to be issues that might be higher on the threat agenda than greenland and the canal. >> evelyn, we have to go. so it's going to be 10s or less. but if you're russia or china, do these threats scare you, or are you actually glad that he's doing this? >> i love them because he is taking us back to manifest destiny. the 19th century, when there was no rule of law governing sovereign states borders, the international order. so, you know, dog eat dog, the most powerful can take what they can take, which is what russia and china would like to do. >> interesting unintended

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dump trucks and one of the trucks that is pushing all these cars all over the place. this bulldozer making room so that the emergency teams can get in there. gutenberg also said that he was watching as this fire just raged and the community was was overtaken. look, this is happening right now. we know from the mayor now that this is expected to get worse before it gets better, because the conditions for fire are going to get worse with the winds whipping up. we will check back in on this fire in just a bit. all right. in addition to firing fact checkers and changing the way media moderates content, the company has also now updated its hateful conduct policy. as a result, users can now use offensive terms targeting women and the lgbtq community without consequence, like being suspended or banned. for instance. donald trump praised

meta's ceo mark zuckerberg, who said the recent election feels like a, quote, cultural tipping point towards prioritizing free speech. >> after trump first got elected in 2016, the legacy media wrote nonstop about how misinformation was a threat to democracy. we tried in good faith to address those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth. but the fact checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they've created, especially in the u.s. >> joining me now, cnn media analyst brian stelter and sara fisher. thank you both for coming on. there's a lot of changes happening here with meta. sara, you interviewed meta cmo alex schultz. what did he say about this latest decision? >> well, i asked him about this sort of pivot, you know, to the center, away from being super progressive. and he said, that's not the case. he claimed that this is meta going back to its original roots of

prioritizing free speech. >> now, the question there, sara, is if this is really meta, going back to its original roots, if a progressive president and administration were to come back in, would they remain committed to this philosophy of not doing a lot of fact checking, of not investing in news content and allow people to put whatever they want on the platform, even if there's more misinformation? >> i am skeptical. i believe that most corporations that stay true to what their core beliefs are do end up winning consumer trust. but i think meta has shown in the past few years that if it's true, north star is free speech, that it can swing wildly from it all the time, depending on political motivations. >> brian, i find it somewhat confusing, for lack of a better word, that they are singling out people who can be targeted now with hate speech. women and members of the lgbtq community. why do you think meta is doing this now? >> this is a mega makeover to appease donald trump. >> that's what it is. and for

every, every consumer who is thrilled, like the wall street journal editorial board this morning calling this a welcome decision, there's another group of people saying, wait, do i belong on facebook anymore? should i stay on instagram? right. i'm seeing lgbtq groups. i'm seeing immigrant groups saying maybe we should quit this platform. so that is the reality of these changes. it's a maga makeover to appeal to conservatives, but it might turn off others. and some of these fact checking changes are going to have real effects. for example, on newsrooms that are going to have to lay people off because facebook and google have historically, for the last five, six, seven years, been big funders of fact checking. overnight, we spoke with jesse stiller. check your fact who said, this is a blow to our website and the work that we do. we're going to be impacted greatly, and our operations will be grounded to a halt. he said this is not good for discourse and dialog, right? ultimately, mark zuckerberg is saying to the audience, you all go fact check yourselves. we're getting out of this, and maybe that's going to create a more freewheeling, better environment online, but it will also probably create a more

poisonous, ugly environment online. >> i mean, we've seen what happened with acts. the n word was used quite a bit when elon musk took over. i certainly noticed that. and you have to wonder when you say free speech, which, you know, look, the supreme court has said hate speech is free speech. why single out two groups? why not just go wild and let people say whatever the heck they want to say? it's just interesting to see what they're doing and how they're trying to couch this. sara, i want to quickly move on to tiktok because you have a scoop on how tiktok is preparing for a potential ban. what did you learn? >> yes. >> so tiktok's parent company is a company called bytedance, a chinese company. and they don't just own tiktok. they own a ton of apps, including ones in the united states. one of those apps is an app called lemonade. it's very similar to instagram, but it's a little bit more focused on esthetic photos. we've found that lemonade is promoting advertising on tiktok to tiktok creators, urging them to

download lemonade amid a pending ban threat. now the challenge there, sarah, and where we're a little bit confused. tiktok did not address our questions about this. is that technically the way that the law is written? lemonade would also stand to be banned, so it's unclear why they are doing this, why tiktok is allowing them to promote ads on its platform, encouraging creators to go there, and why lemonade is even bothering. it could be that they think that lawmakers will be so focused on banning tiktok that they're not going to focus on some of bytedance's other apps, but they do technically also apply to the ban. >> yeah, i mean, congress has been talking a long time about how to deal with social media companies and if they should put guardrails in there. and here we are taking all the guardrails off. brian stelter and sarah fisher, thank you so much. i wish we had more time to discuss this. there's a lot to talk about. >> kate coming up, we're going to return to our continuing live coverage out of los angeles county. these wildfires that are burning still out of control. 0% contained devastating communities and

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described. it can be a pretty miserable few days. >> the answer about immunity here is an interesting one. >> so the short answer is that you do develop some immunity because you got sick. the problem is that that immunity is pretty short lived. weeks to months. and also there are many different strains of norovirus. norovirus isn't just one virus, it's lots of different viruses. so you may have some protection against the one strain. but there are other strains out there that are circulating. one thing also, stephanie, you pointed out you did a good job of staying hydrated. every year there's about 900 people, roughly, who die of norovirus infections in the united states, primarily as a consequence of dehydration. so more than anything else, during those days of misery, stay hydrated as best you can. >> so stephanie, good job by you there. all right, sanjay. so dana or dana, maybe it's dana we know asks does hand sanitizer kill the virus on your hands? >> yeah. the short answer to this is is no. this is a really tough little virus. i think we

have some images of this virus. when you look at this, when you look at flu viruses, for example, they're surrounded by this fatty membrane. not so with the norovirus. it is more of a tough protein shell around the virus. and as a result, alcohol based sanitizers. they're not going to really do a good job of taking care of this. so soap and water is going to be your best bet for your hands. and you'll remember yesterday, john, we talked about cleaning supplies for the house. things like lysol spray. they say they kill 99.9% of viruses and germs, but not norovirus. again, because it has that tough protein shell. you want to use things like hydrogen peroxide or bleach to kill surfaces in your home. so soap and water and then hydrogen peroxide or bleach for your for your house. >> i was so into that tidbit of information with the lysol. i got home and showed my wife immediately. just because i wanted to seem smart to her. it was one of the first times in a while. all right, sanjay david from phoenix asks. i'm going

on a caribbean cruise on saturday. what over-the-counter meds should i bring in case of infection? >> well, first of all, have a great time on the cruise. that sounds fantastic. um, a few things, a couple things. with norovirus, there is no there is no antibiotic. this is a virus we're talking about. antibiotics are for bacteria. there's no singular medication. so the medications that you should take along are to treat symptoms. um, taking something for nausea, like dramamine. always a good idea for cruise ships, but specifically with norovirus, having things like pepto-bismol. ibuprofen because people develop chills and body aches and things like that. and also, as i mentioned, hydration, sometimes it can be tough to keep fluids down. so having oral rehydration salts or things like that can go a long way really quickly. there's been about 14 norovirus outbreaks on cruise ships so far in 2024 last year i guess. now, um, take a look at the numbers there. so be careful. take those ti