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100 miles an hour in some areas. and so far, there is zero containment of any of these fires. this is video now from a passenger on a flight arriving at lax, who says it felt like flying into the apocalypse. we know at least two people have died. a number of others are injured. countless homes and buildings are now rubble, and tens of thousands have been forced to evacuate. >> you see that fire pushing right up against the lights of homes there, and the fire moves so fast that many people abandoned their vehicles. and that gave fire officials no choice but to bulldoze them out of the way in order to clear roads. live now to cnn's stephanie elam, who is at the scene of the biggest fire. it's called the palisades fire. there in pacific palisades. stephanie, tell us what you're seeing. >> the winds are still blowing us around, brianna and boris.
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it is still very intense out here at this hour. and when you look, you can actually see how fast the smoke is blowing off of this canyon area up here behind sunset boulevard, which dead ends into the pacific coast highway. and the smoke is like hurtling past us with ash and little bits of debris coming off of there. but if you look at this building behind the 76 gas station, there was a taller structure there, and we watched it burn away overnight. just to show you how quickly things are escalating and being demolished out here. and that's just parts of what we can see. we've seen parts of fires burning along the side of the pch going north and south. a little structure next to this gladstone's seafood restaurant, a pretty famous restaurant here along the highway here there was a fire there. looked like maybe in a rubbish bin, but the firefighters responded and shut
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it down. they're going back and forth through this area just to make sure that they're putting out hotspots. but let's be clear, this is not a fire that's anywhere near containment. this is a fire that has a lot of fuel. and then along with these winds, makes it very, very dangerous because those fire just a little bit of fire could get caught up in the wind. and then it takes off and it can start a fire someplace else. we feel pretty safe where we are here, because just on that side of me is the pacific ocean. so if need be, we could go that way. but you can see here that fire truck right there that just went by us from montecito, which is up by santa barbara. what they're doing here in this area is flooding the area with firefighters from other regions, because the area here is taxed. they have asked all of the los angeles county firefighters if they're off to report to duty to come back to work, because it's an all hands on deck situation, becausits, as yosaid, four fires that are really breaking down the system here. and on top of it, yesterday, i was on my way out about 2.5
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hours away. actually, i did make it all the way out there to where president biden was going to go. he couldn't make it out there because of these winds driving back. you could see this from very, very far away. that's how massive this is yeah, it's it's huge. >> and we've seen just sort of those early pictures of the night shots from those folks flying into lax. stephanie, thank you so much for the report from pacific palisades. you are right there in this biggest fire, the palisades fire one of four, though, that is currently burning across l.a. county. officials say crews and emergency services are being stretched to the limit, with some firefighters working 48 hour shifts. with us now on the phone is battalion chief for cal fire, brant. pasqua. brant. as of this morning, all of these fires were 0% contained. this has to do a lot with the wind. tell us what it will take to start getting a handle on these fires. >> you're absolutely right. it's the wind that's making
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it so difficult to get any containment on these fires. when it's blowing embers miles ahead of itself or just in any direction. it's hard to anchor in somewhere and actually get some containment. so until the wind slows down, gives us that opportunity to actually build a fire line, we're not going to see any containment. we're just trying to get lives and people out of the way. >> yeah, that's obviously the first priority. of note, fire hydrants in the palisades went dry around 3 a.m. local time. tell us about how this happened. because of the lack of water in the holding tanks. and if that's been resolved. >> you know, i don't have any information on there. i got to that that area around 6 a.m. this morning, and i did see a lot of water flowing as far as around the 3 a.m. time. i was not in that area at that time. i'm sorry. >> okay. totally understand. is that something that happens? i mean, have you had experience with something like that happening before?
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>> we have had things like that happen before, for sure. it's very taxing when you have all these fires, uh, at the same time on one water system. so it is possible. i just can't speak to it on this fire. i don't know for sure. for certain. what what happened? >> okay. and, brant, can you talk to us a little bit more about the winds where they're at now, what it would take to get some of that air power up in order to tackle the some of the outer areas? >> yeah. so we were hoping the winds would calm down a little bit this afternoon. um, but when we say calm down, it's all relative. last night, the winds were 80 to 90mph. sustained. um, they have calmed down, but it's still 40 to 50 mile an hour gusts. so, uh, our airplanes are going to be useless as far as the retardant not hitting the ground. it's really unsafe for the pilots to be flying in the canyons when the winds are that high. so, uh, we're hopeful they'll
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they'll die down. but, uh, you know, we have to just be optimistic at this point. >> and how are the firefighters doing? we were just reporting. some are working 48 hour shifts. >> yeah, i know, including myself. uh, some of us have been here for over 24 hours fighting this fire now, and and no one wants to go anywhere until until the job's done or until we have too many engines here. so we're here. i know the rest of the crews are tired, like myself, but we're not going anywhere. we're going to try and stand our ground and protect everything we can. >> and what can you tell us about injuries to folks and also to firefighters? because we had a la fire department saying overnight that a firefighter had sustained a serious head injury. >> i did hear we had a total of eight firefighter injuries on this fire. >> seven were minor, one was that, uh, that head injury? i hear that person is doing well now. um, as far as the public goes, i don't have any
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information on those injuries. >> what do you want people to know, brant, this is a great example of these fires move so quickly. >> it's not it doesn't give you time to think of what to to pack. it doesn't give you time to think of how you're going to get out. make sure you have those two things planned before an event like this happens. so you and your family can get out safely. >> yeah, it's so essential. um, brant. good luck. we know that you are very short on sleep and that you're very committed to trying to get a handle on this. brant pasqua with cal fire. thank you. you're welcome. and you heard brant there. it's these fierce, tornado like winds. i mean, 80 to 90mph last night that's fueling the fires. so dangerous planes carrying a flame retardant. just haven't even been able to get up in the air. the winds just totally
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thundered past that fire. >> and exploded in size. barely even hold the phone straight. >> you can hear just how strong the gusts are in that video. and officials say they expect conditions to worsen. let's get the latest from cnn meteorologist allison chinchar, who's in the weather center. allison, what can you tell us? >> right. so there is some good news, and that is that we do expect these winds to start coming back down in the next 24 hours. but as that gentleman pointed out, it's all relative. you look at some of these numbers 80, 90, 100 mile per hour winds. even if you cut those in half, you're still talking 40 to 50mph, which is still plenty to be able to continue to spread the fires that are already on the ground. now, when we talk about those fires, we are talking about four specific ones the eaton fire, the hurst fire, woodley and palisades. now, for those who are not familiar with this area, we've put some kind of maybe some things that you would recognize, say, like the hollywood sign, dodger stadium, the rose bowl, stadium things. so it kind of gives you
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some perspective on where these fires are located. now, the palisades fire specifically, this one has really grown in size. so has the eaton fire in the last 24 hours. this red color here shows you the spread of where that fire has really been kind of focused on in the last 24 hours. we've really started to see more of it begin to spread, even up along the coast, just in the last 12 hours. and keep in mind, this is still a little bit old. this map is likely to continue to update, but the key thing here is look at all of these structures, homes, businesses, and all of those roads that are there. that is what these fires are going after. and that's what's making it so difficult, especially for some of these people. they don't know which way to go. where's a safe place to exit? when we look at the wind forecast notice, even as we go through the afternoon, you still have some of these places that are looking at 30, 40, even 50 mile per hour wind gusts. we don't start to see those really begin to come down until we get to late afternoon and especially into the evening. then by tomorrow morning, finally starting to get some of those numbers back down below, about 15mph. this will allow the firefighters to
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really begin to make some big improvements in those containment numbers, and hopefully get those planes back up in the air to help with the fires as well. you have the red flag warnings, and it's not just for l.a. proper. notice all of these areas you see in pink are under those red flag >> please stand by. we actuall's listen in, sir. te that. >> good to see you, my friend. thank you. >> thank you. it's good seeing you, sir. >> and as we await the briefing that president biden is set to receive from local officials there, you see california governor gavin newsom alongside him, president biden there in southern california for a separate matter, a personal matter, but obviously, coincidentally arriving as these four wildfires are just ravaging that area. let's go ahead and listen in. thank you for being here. >> on behalf of the fire service last week, we began
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receiving reports from the national weather service about a significant wind event that was going to hit southern california. this is not something that's a surprise to us in southern california, and it was something that we were well prepared for. based on those predictive conditions of wind gusts up to 100 miles an hour east, pushing offshore, we began increasing our staffing. local, state and federal agencies. hundreds of firefighters began moving on sunday afternoon from northern california into southern california. my local partners began up staffing their own fire stations and helicopters, fire engines, hand crews to be prepared for an incident like this that occurred. those resources were pre-positioned in counties throughout southern california for an event just like this. and on tuesday morning, the palisades fire began. i'd now like to introduce you to chief crowley, who can touch on the palisades fire chief. thank you. >> thank you so much, mr.
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president. i'm here just to provide you a brief on three significant fires that have occurred within the city of los angeles. with that, i'm going to be focusing on the palisades fire. that fire broke out yesterday morning around 1030. we did pre-deploy a number of resources. we knew this was there was a potential for a significant threat to our constituents due to the weather event. high, high, high winds. i've never seen the winds in my 25 year career, so we leaned forward as much as possible and pre-deployed with that. we had a significant amount of fire that occurred. we had an aggressive fire attack. the fire has grown from originally ten acres to 10,802 acres. as we speak. it's an active, active fire fight with our firefighters, and they're doing their very best to protect our people within this area. interesting enough, because of the winds and the low humidity, we had a second fire also break out and that was the
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hurst fire, which is just north of that area. again, this was close to 11,000 acres. this is close to 500 acres that also broke out. the information that i want to share with you is also the significance of multiple fires in the area, within the city, but also the county. that's the second fire that actually came out. and we are actively engaged in that firefight. the third fire then broke out this morning at 4:00 in the morning, in which we have an active firefight there as well. we're working with our local jurisdictions, our state regional as well as federal. so we're doing everything we can to protect life first and property. next we'll go ahead and then pass this off to police chief mcdonnell. thank you. thank you. chief. >> mr. president, it's an honor to be able to be here and be part of this and represent the men and women of lapd and policing to support our partners in the fire service. what we saw here in the last 24 hours is unprecedented. i've
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never seen anything like this. fire is driven by the type of winds that we saw up to 100 miles an hour. our role out there is strictly support to be there for evacuations, to get people out of the affected area, to be able to provide for traffic control and then crime suppression. as the fire is fought and some may come in and try and take the opportunity to go into these homes and steal from them. so we're going to be on top of that. i just want to say the relationship we enjoy here, in my case under the leadership of mayor bass, but all of our elected officials is unlike, i think, anywhere else in the country. we are blessed to have the relationship between police and fire that we do here. unfortunately, we do this kind of thing frequently, never to this level. but i can't say enough about how important that is. and as we go into the next five years with the super bowl and the world cup and the olympics coming up, it's critical that we maintain those partnerships. so thank you for this opportunity, sir. next up. >> oh, sorry. >> let me introduce my
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partner from the county fire department, chief tony maloney. yeah. >> so thank you, mr. president. i'm going to be giving you an update on our eaton fire, which is east county. start. the county starts all the way up in lancaster and goes all the way down to the long beach border. we go from the county line in ventura, all the way out to pomona, 4300 acres. so we have a fire east of the palisades fire that began last night. it's called the eaton fire. it's currently 10,600 acres, 0% containment. we have over 750 firefighters on the line. unfortunately, two people have lost their lives. residents have lost their lives at the eaton fire. it's impacting tens of thousands of homes, not only in the city of pasadena, but also the county area of altadena. and we're doing our very best. we just had our out of state resources arrive from
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arizona at the eaton fire to assist us last night as the region one coordinator, i contacted the governor's office of emergency services. we requested 250 additional engines into l.a. county with 1000 personnel. we also are using our our compacts with other states like arizona, nevada, oregon and washington. firefighters from those regions are on their way down to los angeles county right now to assist us. so thank you for your interest. thank you for your attention. governor, we ask for a. >> declaration. kleist. folks, the fact is that dod department
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of defense to rapidly provide additional firefighting personnel and capabilities. also, california national guard is 82 modular air firefighting system with two more are made ready for the national guard the national, the nevada national guard, and the four more. are coming on board in from northern command and the ten navy helicopters with water are coming down prepared for anything and everything as long as it takes. thank you. fire and health infrastructure. to make sure that. protect their health a long way to. stand on the things that they need. srinivasan nectar gan kleist contract. >> mr. president, just first of all, that major disaster declaration been approved. >> the next level of appreciation on behalf of all the residents here in southern
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california, as the chief said, we have pre-positioned assets this weekend in anticipation of these weather events and complexity of multiple fires, the likelihood that these other events, these wind event will continue over the course of the next many days. the impacts of over 1000 structures already that have been destroyed, 100 plus thousand people that have been evacuated, lives lost, traditions, lifestyles, places torn asunder. this means the world to us and just probably because i think this is important. the president happened to be in the region, in town. >> it's impossible for me to express the level of appreciation and cooperation we received from the white house in this administration so that all of us. >> mr. president, thank you for being here, but not just being here today. >> thank you for being here since the minute of this incident when there was a ten acre fire, less than 24 or so
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hours ago. >> deep gratitude. it's astounding what's happened. i with only one piece of good news. my son lives out here, and his wife out there. >> they got notification yesterday that their home was probably burned to the ground. >> today. >> it appears that it may be still standing. we're not sure, but the good news is i'm a great grandfather. as of today, i was granddaughter. 10 pound, four ounce baby girl, baby boy. so i can remember this day for a lot of wrong reasons. >> but anyway, thank you, mr. president. the national guard. >> we've been listening to this briefing that president biden has been receiving from cal fire and other local officials in southern
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california. there, president biden describing the situation as astounding as four different wildfires just tear through southern california. president biden promising additional resources to help folks there, including 2000 national guard members, something that california governor gavin newsom said he was appreciative of. as we look at video just in to cnn of one scene of devastation in the area. >> yeah, still just ripping through the area because of all of the wind that is happening there. and the other big headline that he made, which is he's in california because his granddaughter, naomi biden, was scheduled today for a c-section. and he made it clear it has happened. he is now a great grandfather. and the audio there was not that great. so we're going back to listen to it. it sounded like he said he has a great granddaughter, but we just want to make sure that he wasn't talking about his granddaughter, naomi. so we're going to go back and take a look at that. but obviously some good news as he's there for what is very bad news for california. >> yeah, no doubt about that. we want to get the latest now
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from one of the areas that officials were briefing president biden on and that is altadena, california. the eaton fire fire burning through that community. cnn's julia vargas jones joins us now live. and, julie, it looks like there are live flames behind you. take us there. what are you seeing well, it's been the case really all morning, boris. >> we are seeing these live flames because they're moving fast between one side and another, just jumping over streets, going to the next house. these winds, 100 miles an hour. that's just up this hill. the the angeles national forest is just up here, you know, altadena, pasadena. there are towns at the foothills of these mountains, and we're pretty far from them at this point, about almost 20 blocks from that. but it's still you can feel the winds. and when they pick up, this is what happens. we just heard we're hearing tires popping. we hear a gas tank explosion and people coming at the very edge of the street. i'll show you a little bit. these are residents who are who are trying to figure out what
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to do. they've called for fire help. you know, they're waiting. one of them has told me they're waiting to see if they can get their dog out of their house. it's about another 50ft down the street, but it's too dangerous to get down there at this point. and we're seeing what's happening to these structures one by one, just going up in flames, ten 000 acres, 10,600 acres. that is an explosion in size that tells you how intense this fire is, how intense these winds are. it's extremely dangerous. and people are trying still to figure out what is it that they can get from their houses. but authorities are saying at this point, just turn around. it's too dangerous. even if you're trying to douse it in water and try to save it from fire. at this point, it's not worth it. here we go. this is sheriff saying, turn around. that's that's the kind of scenes that we've been witnessing over and over again. boris, the desperation.
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>> we just had such a special community with our. my daughter wants to dance right by our house at dancing feet, and my son played every sport imaginable at the rec center and i grew up in the palisades. and it's just it's always been a very special little enclave in los angeles. it's really hard to replicate. and, um, this little paradise in the middle of the city, and it's just shocking to know that it's gone well. >> i mean, it's really sad that there's just no, um, there's no response at the moment because the fire departments are all out. there's a thousand homes burning right now. so right now it's, you know, neighbors just trying to save their own house. and it's up to them. try to save your neighbor's house. and we've gotten really lucky with the rains the last couple of years. but this year we knew with zero rain, that one big windstorm. and we were we were toast. and last night it happened. >> those were southern california residents impacted
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by the eaton fire and palisades fire fires that are now burning out of control there in the l.a. area. the fires in los angeles county are 0% contained. that is because of the winds and just how severe they are. still at this point. and authorities are urging residents to heed mandatory evacuation orders to be prepared to leave at any moment, warning that it really could be the difference between life and death. 37,000 people are currently under evacuation orders because of the palisades fire and l.a. fire. officials say emergency services are stretched to their limits. a climate expert tells cnn the palisades fire could become the costliest in american history. joining us now is francois roux, who is a 30 year resident of pacific palisades, escaped the flames on his bicycle. francois, thank you for being with us. and i do just want to let viewers know we have made a mark on a map, just to let people know where your house is in the fire damaged area. we're so sorry for what you've gone
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through, and we see the video you took. tell us about what happened. >> thank you. brianna. um, last night i went up to the palisades to check on my neighbors. they were staying behind to make sure that nothing burned. i went up there to make sure that if it got out of control, that we were all getting out of there. i rode my bike up there, and when i got home, my neighbor said, your backyard is on fire. so i went there and the whole back of the house was on fire. the french doors were on fire. i put them out quickly with a hose. um, i spoke to my neighbor, told him that we should just leave. um, grabbed a couple things and i was in my house, packed up a couple of bags, and i opened up my front door, and the wind just came through with these red hot embers that just fully filled the living room. and so i slammed the door and waited for the breeze to come down. because when i arrived, it was a light breeze. and then all of a sudden it was 50 mile an hour breeze. so finally, when the
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breeze died down a bit, i opened up the front door. i saw that many houses across the street were on fire, that my front yard was on fire, and, uh. and i got on my bike and i left. i gave, i gave a couple of paintings to, uh, to an nbc reporter that saw me in my front yard. i couldn't ride with them on my bike. so, um, you know, he very graciously took them for me. um, but, yeah, riding my bike out of there, there were embers coming out of every tree. houses were on fire. um, the huntington palisades, there were blocks that were just flat. you could just see right through them. and firefighters were luckily there trying to put out the blaze as much as they could. um, you know, i just want to thank the firefighters. thank thank the authorities for issuing the evacuation notices early, as they did. and, you know, my heart goes out to all the families who've lost their homes, lost their schools, and lost their way of life. and i just hope that this palisades
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community can stay strong through all of this. >> francois. i mean, how are you feeling? this is it's unbelievable to see the scenes that we're seeing coming out of your neighborhood. >> i mean, it is heartbreaking. we lost everything. and not only us. everyone around us, everyone in the alphabet streets that's on the mountain side of sunset. everyone in. not everyone, but many homes in the huntington palisades. up through temescal. everyone has been affected either by the smoke or the fire. and when i was standing in my front yard, i was looking at this giant red glowing fire that was just enveloping everything, and it was just heart wrenching. >> and, you know, being in southern california with the fire risk that has increased so much over the years, it's it's something you have to get ready for. and yet it's hard to
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fathom that it's going to happen to your neighborhood. um, how are you grappling with that? yeah. >> well, you know, in the past, we'd get evacuation orders occasionally. you know, a brush fire would come up and it would take a couple of houses out. um, you know, on the edge of of where the forest was. but i've never seen winds this strong. i've never seen heat this hot. and it literally just blew through the palisades. everyone thought we were safe. everybody, when they were evacuating, just got in their cars. it was going to be a lot of traffic. took two hours to get out of the palisades. nobody thought that the breeze would pick up like this and just wipe out huge areas of town. i mean, the palisades, it's the size of brentwood. it's like saying, you know, brentwood is is affected. i would say palisades is probably affected from what i saw leaving, i left at 915 and i stayed until about ten. sunset
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boulevard was enveloped in flames. huntington palisades was enveloped by flames all the way up to to pampas rica's, all the way to the cliff. i was riding down the back streets to get down to chautauqua. houses were on fire. there was gas shooting out into the road. all of the trees were on fire. i was riding, i had my helmet on and there were branches and embers hitting me, and it was definitely a sight to behold. >> yeah, i think, uh, it was a perilous journey on your bike, but probably a smart one for the maneuverability to get out of there. have you talked to your neighbors? because we've been. there's a sense that this is ongoing. and right now the focus is on evacuations, saving lives, getting people out. but there's a concern that maybe some people didn't get out in time. what are you hearing from your neighborhood? >> you know, i made sure that
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my neighbors left. my immediate neighbors left. and pretty much i didn't see very many people in the streets. i didn't it was just firefighters, occasional police. firefighters were doing their job and putting out the fire. i heard that there were some people whose parents had stayed behind, but the way to get out of the palisades, the way that it's so limited, there's either chautauqua, temescal or sunset and all of those, not all of those. temescal was burned. uh, the bottom of sunset was burned where it intersects with highlands road. um, you know, there's only a couple of ways out. so, you know, if people were, for example, in the area of villa de la paz, there were very few ways to get out of the palisades. so i just really, really hope that everyone made it out and that everyone heeded the the evacuation orders. >> yeah. the streets cut off as the fire is traveling there on the wind. um, francois, thank you for being with us. we're so
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sorry. it's unimaginable watching your neighborhood go up in flames as you're watching the palisades. and we thank you for speaking with us about it. >> thank you. brianna. >> so one woman who was forced to flee is telling cnn she watched the palisades fire move closer to her home through her ring doorbell camera before it eventually stopped working. we'll have much more on our breaking news ahead. >> kobe believed in himself at the youngest possible age. >> it's one of the most remarkable stories in sports history. >> i don't want to be remembered as just a basketball player. >> kobe premieres january 25th on cnn. >> you'll be back. >> emus can help people customize and save with liberty mutual.
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>> greenland is not mega. greenland is not going to be mega. >> nuestro canal no es negotiable. la menos controlan el canal. son panamenos y asi seguir haciendo. >> obviously, the name gulf of mexico is recognized by the united nations by a united nations agency. why don't we call it mexican america? it sounds nice, right? >> let's discuss with republican senator pete ricketts of nebraska. senator, thank you so much for being with us. would you be comfortable with sending u.s. troops, as president trump suggested yesterday, he is considering to take over what is effectively sovereign land. >> well, i think you all are missing the bigger picture here of what president trump is trying to do. he's thinking about the long term security of the western hemisphere. we know, for example, that russians are now chinese, are looking at the arctic and how they can exploit that. that
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obviously concerns not only us, but everybody in the western hemisphere. and he's thinking about our long term protection. same thing with regard to panama. we know that the chinese communist party and the people's republic of china has positions, owns ports on both sides of that canal, and that puts us at risk in a potential conflict. so he's thinking about the long term security, and he's starting a negotiation. and that's what this is about. i guarantee you there's a lot more people today thinking about the risks that the russians posed to us through that northwest passage than were just a couple of days ago. >> so i do want to ask you about what you mentioned, that hong kong based company that owns seaports on both sides of the panama canal. but i do want to go back to the question, because trump is putting out there the idea that the u.s. military might be involved in some kind of foreign entanglement over sovereign territory. how do you square that with his campaign promises about keeping the u.s. out of
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needless wars? >> well, i think what's actually happening is the press asked him if there was anything he was going to take off the table. and as a negotiator, he said, no, nothing is going to be taken off the table because that's the way trump negotiates. and by the way, i might point out that when he was president, before he did an outstanding job of negotiating different trade agreements. buying more of our agricultural products because of his trade negotiating style. so it really gets back to president trump is beginning a negotiation. he's also trying to think long term about the threats to this country and keep us safe. and that is what he's talking about when he's talking about greenland or the panama canal. how do we keep this country safe long term from some of the threats we see from countries like russia and the people's republic of china? >> sure. i do wonder about the approach, though, senator, because there is the risk of alienating allies. and to your point about chinese influence over shipping and port operations around the world. it is a risk, especially if they weaponize supply chains, which they have shown a willingness
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to do that. hong kong based company that owns those seaports at both ends of the canal, those are private infrastructure investments. and chinese firms have done this all over latin america, all over africa as well. i'm sure this isn't news to you. i wonder if you think the u.s. would gain more in competing with beijing by expanding those same kind of investments, making more partners rather than bullying, hinting that we'll use force if we don't get what we want it is a mistake to believe that any sort of private company in china is actually private. >> the way we think of it here in the united states. it's simply not true. under chinese law, every chinese company has to do whatever the central government wants it to do. it's called communism. it's something china has been governed under for decades. and just because they've changed some of the ways they've done things doesn't mean that every chinese company doesn't have to do what the central government does. so the fact that these are under hong kong companies
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doesn't mean anything. they would have to do exactly what the chinese government. >> yes, sir. on the question of the approach to these foreign countries, is it better to suggest that you might send your military to panama or potentially suggest that there might be a way that we could work together on infrastructure projects to maintain u.s. influence in this hemisphere? >> i think that, first of all, again, people are missing the bigger picture. president trump was asked if anything was on the table, and he said, everything is on the table. that is where a lot of this is coming from. and yes, absolutely, we have to do a better job of getting out there and telling our story of making our investments, making sure that we're targeting our investments and our aid to countries that are helping us out and doing more. for example, in africa, to be able to combat what china is doing there. panama canal is another example. yes, we have to do a better job, as biden-harris administration has utterly failed us on foreign policy there. appeasement first approach has left us less safe.
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we have to do a better job in this next administration. >> senator, i do want to get to quickly the fact that trump is set to meet with senate republican leaders later today. i imagine he's going to try to persuade some folks on his cabinet picks. i know you met with pete hegseth last month. are you prepared to vote to confirm him for defense secretary? >> every one of the cabinet secretaries has a process that they're going to go through and follow. one step is meeting with the senators, such as pete. meeting with me, and then, well, they'll go through a public hearing process and then we'll have the vote. so we need to let the entire process play out. but i got to tell you, i had a very good conversation with pete hegseth, and i look forward to hearing what his public hearing is going to be like. and that's what will be true for all the cabinet nominees. >> so you are reserving a that confirmation process to decide whether you will vote or not for hegseth. >> well, we have a process that every one of the candidates will go through. every one of the cabinet nominees will go
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through. we need to allow that process to play out. it includes meetings such as senators with me, but also the public hearing as well. and that's going to be important for all the cabinet nominees. >> senator pete ricketts i wish we had more time. unfortunately, we have to leave the conversation there. we appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective. >> great. thanks, boris. >> thanks. so right now, 37,000 people are under evacuation orders in los angeles county. but even those not forced to leave could be in danger from these thick clouds of smoke. dr. sanjay gupta joins us next to talk about the health ramifications. >> lactaid is 100% real milk, just without the lactose. delicious too. just ask my old friend kevin. >> nothing like enjoying a cold one while watching the game. >> who's winning? we are my friend. we are. >> covid 19. i'm not waiting. if it's covid.
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you can see, are blanketing the sky with smoke. this video is from los angeles this morning, showing the hazy conditions just about as far as the eye can see. >> and that, of course, brings up some medical concerns. so let's bring in cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay, this is not good stuff to breathe. >> it's not. i mean, if you think about just what's in all of that smoke, there's a lot of different things. and it's important to draw a little bit of a distinction between just standard forest fires and what they call sort of the wildland urban interface. so in this urban area, you're burning a lot more things. basically, you have different chemicals as a result of that. when you're burning plastics and metals and even unearthing metals that are typically in the soil, those things start to burn. take a look at the screen. i mean, all these things aldehyde acid, sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, and then various volatile organic compounds as well. all those things get into the air so that
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the toxicity of that is is obviously very concerning. the early symptoms that people may have may not be directly sort of breathing related. people might have initially just sort of burning eyes and scratchy throat headaches, eventually developing breathing difficulties and, and chest pain. one thing as well, i'll just point out, is that, you know, when you're burning things like this, the particle size gets really small. people often refer to this thing known as p.m. 2.5, particulate matter 2.5. to give you some context, that's about the width 1/20 the size of a human hair. you breathe that into your lungs, but then it gets past your lungs. it gets into your bloodstream, and it causes inflammation throughout the body. and that's one of the big concerns with pollution just globally. but when you have a wildland urban interface fire like this, it becomes sort of a more acute concern. >> and to that point, sanjay, you don't have to be directly affected by the fires to be
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impacted by them. >> yeah. i mean, it's kind of remarkable when you look at how far some of these compounds can travel and how long they can last. so, you know, some of the smoke will get miles into the air. obviously, there's a lot of wind there. so there's many there's there's areas that are far outside the obvious sort of source of the fire and the smoke that might be affected by this. there are ways to sort of protect yourself. obviously you want to stay indoors as much as possible. if you get outside wearing a high quality mask, an n95 mask inside. again, even if you're not necessarily smelling the smoke, having portable indoor air cleaners, making sure your filters are all up to up to date on your hvac systems. and also if you're driving around, i mean, just turn on the recirculation on the car so that you're not bringing air from outside as well. but you're right, boris. i mean, people can be affected miles away from the obvious source of the fire. >> yeah, change those air filters. easy to ignore. now is not the time to forget doing that monthly change. sanjay,
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thank you so much. you got it. thank you. los angeles is facing catastrophe. neighborhoods going up in flames. you're seeing the pictures here. fast moving fires, shutting down, freeways, pushing firefighting crews to the breaking point. we'll have the latest next. >> all there is with anderson cooper. listen, wherever you get your podcasts. fired up, randi. >> yeah. >> that's how you make like it never even happened. happened? servpro. see you tomorrow when the temperature drops and winter settles in. you've got two choices. >> close your eyes and think warm thoughts. or open your eyes. grab your gear and get out here. this winter. there's only one choice worth making. and there's only one vehicle
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