those tanks are set up for residential water use, and they're not really set up for urban wildland fighting. that goes on for 15 hours. so they definitely drain some of the supplies. but, uh, department of water and power came in and put more water back in. so they're really working hard to get those levels back up. and you can imagine as water needs pressure going up the hill, it needs more, more, um, more volume. so they're figuring it out. >> yeah. >> well, captain, i appreciate your time and all your all your efforts, captain kelleher. thank you. new fire video that we have, i believe, from the hollywood hills. um, that this is the new fire. i believe that's that's begun. uh, not sure the extent. it's runyon canyon. i'm being told 10,000 acres was the last estimate i heard for the eaton fire. and which is where i am. 15,000 acres, uh, in in the pacific palisades.

source. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> good evening. this is the source live from capitol hill tonight, where president-elect donald trump has just wrapped up a critical meeting behind closed doors with senate republicans attempting to hash out a plan that could make or break his agenda once he retakes office in a matter of days. that's not an exaggeration. and one of the senators who was in that meeting is going to join me live here shortly. but we start tonight in los angeles, where there are six wildfires now raging right now at this hour, five are four of those are fires that i should note that we are seeing here. out of these, six are still 0% contained. this evening, officials say that at least five people are dead, and they expect that toll to rise as they are making their way

painstakingly property by property, through neighborhoods that have been charred to the ground for a second night in a row. homes are burning in pacific palisades. huge parts of the palisades tonight, just completely gone. homes are also burning in malibu this evening, right up the coast from the palisades. and the next big threat that we are watching this hour here on cnn is to santa monica, which is just to the south, along the coast, and part of which is now being evacuated. it's expected to be a long, tense night there. we're continuing to monitor all of it as this devastation is stretching far inland from the pacific, all the way to places like pasadena. anderson cooper is just north to the just just to the north of pasadena. he's in altadena tonight. anderson, tell us what you're seeing on the ground this hour. >> yeah. well, where i am is the the eaton fire and the embers from that have come into this neighborhood in altadena, where i've been for the last six hours. there were a lot of houses here when i got here.

some had already been destroyed. but over the last six hours, we've just watched this neighborhood burn down to to the ground. this house is gone. this was the sort of the last one on this block which is still burning. there's a house which has not burned right next door to it. firefighters were able to get out here and they use water from what they had on their trucks, because the hydrants aren't giving any water on this block in altadena. i can't speak for the rest of altadena, but they were able to put water on the roof and that house has remained. and there's another house that's remained. but i mean, every house that's in front of me, there are just small fires burning as far as i can see up the block. i've walked around this, you know, a two block area. it's it's just been, you know, it's just been awful. ten 000 acres from the from from the eaton fire destroyed, 15,000 from from the palisades. you know, the lack of the water here. when i was talking to a captain, the fire

department. about six hours, maybe five hours ago, they had just run out of water from the hydrants. so they eventually did what they could. they built defensive perimeters around some of these homes that hadn't been burned down, took out shrubbery that might ignite the house, and then they just had to go elsewhere where there was water and more. but they have come back and used some water from their trucks now. but that's the situation here. it's just been devastating all day long. caitlin. >> and what is anderson going on with the hydrants. because this is obviously been a huge source of interest. i know that they have been getting transporting water in to put on those trucks. but what have you been seeing that's going on with the hydrants specifically? >> yeah, i haven't been in the palisades. that's where we know, you know, hydrants ran on water, i believe in the middle of the night here. as i said, it was it was according to, you know, the street i was on, at least they ran out about five hours or so ago where it stopped working for the hydrant, where the fireman was from. everything. what officials are saying is that

there's enough water in the reservoirs, theoretically, to fight these fires. it's a question of getting it in some of these uphill areas or mountainous areas. um, and for that, it's sort of an engineering issue there in, i guess in pasadena, they use these tanks, they usually fill with water. those tanks got drained out, and those tanks are used for gravityup to the hydrants. and because those tanks got emptied, because so many people were watering their lawn and people were fighting fires, they just didn't have enough water on hand. a lot of questions being asked, clearly a lot of engineering and uh, something's gotta, you know, be worked out. but but, you know, i talked to gavin. governor gavin newsom who who was going around with fire officials. i talked to him just up the block earlier today. he certainly, you know, he didn't have answers, but he certainly wants to to to find him. >> some have to say to you.

>> well, yeah, i mean, you know, we talked about the water. we just talked about what he has been seeing because he's got was on the ground going out with fire officials. um, he's obviously seen a lot of fires. and we talked about how this compares to some of what he's seen. let's listen. >> i've been in a lot of these fires, uh, a lot going back to paradise. and this approximates paradise. it's not a numeric. it's just a feeling, a sense of loss. place, belonging. >> a lot of these firefighters that i was talking to on the street, they've been working, you know, 26, 27 hours. are they that that's just going to continue. i mean, there's i mean, there's enough folks here. yeah. >> i mean, we got a few thousand people working on this and luckily we were fully staffed. u.s. forest service is not as staffed up traditionally at this time of year. remember, we're in january. >> it's supposed to be wet this time of year. >> it's supposed to be wet. i mean, so this is, you know, this is anomalous, even. you know, i remember paradise happened in november. i mean, so there's no fire season in

california. it's year round. but to have this level, the acuity of fires is without precedent. >> and mayor karen bass gave a press conference about an hour or so ago. obviously, there are a lot of questions about about the water situation, about, you know, any cuts to the fire department budgeting issues. there'll be a lot of, of of that for now. the firefighters are still doing the job and it's going to be a long night. it's going to be a long couple of days. >> galen, you know, anderson, i was watching you earlier and a house was was literally burning to the ground behind you as you were standing there reporting in the hours that you've been there. i mean, how many houses do you think you have seen burn down? >> um. i don't know. uh, 20. um, i'm not sure. i mean, i haven't left, i've been in, like, i've been standing on an intersection and just walking up and down the four blocks of that intersection, and i've watched all those houses burn,

and you start to become fascinated with seeing how, you know, the flames jump to a vehicle and it gets the tires first, and then the vehicle ignites, and then the gas tank explodes, and then it jumps to a tree and the tree explodes in flames in seconds and becomes a burning tree of embers. and then tens of thousands of embers. the wind comes and it blows that entire tree of tens of thousands of embers into the air. and they go, and they can float for two miles, in some cases set down somewhere else and start another fire. so you start to see the process of house fire spreads, car to car, house to house, tree to tree. at one point standing, actually, we were right in this spot. i remember looking up and i think our camera panned up. the sky was black. even though it was in the afternoon. it was like it was snowing embers. i've never seen anything like it. and, um, yeah, i mean, this

this area. yeah. 20 houses more. i'm not sure. >> yeah. it's hard to watch. and for those families obviously. anderson, great reporting and please stay safe. thank you for that. i want to go now to cnn's nick watt. he's in pacific palisades. and, nick, i should note that we are now getting reports of another fire that has started. it is it is near the hills near runyon canyon. if people have been in l.a., gone on a hike. i was just there last week doing that hike. i mean, people know this area very well. you're over on sunset boulevard. what are you seeing this hour? >> well, we are still seeing flames, caitlin. i mean, the wind has dropped a little bit, but, you know, those embers that anderson was just talking about have wreaked absolute havoc here? i think when i spoke to you last night, just after i spoke to you last night, we came into this area, the palisades village, the downtown, the. i mean, this is an urban area. this is an urban wildfire. we came down here and we could just see the wind

taking those embers and just whipping them so fast. it was so obvious that this was going to go bad. and sure enough, this whole block is up. and, you know, the problem is you guys were talking about the water. you know, the hydrants here went dry at 3 a.m. that was a problem. also, there's just there just aren't enough firefighters. you know this fire behind me, this has been burning now for a few hours. every now and again a fire truck comes up. they take a look at it, and they figure they've got a bigger priority. elsewhere, the palisades. i have never seen anything like it here in the downtown. it looks like a bomb has gone off. it looks like it looks like a war zone. like a bomb has dropped. and i went to a residential neighborhood just over there to check on a friend's house a couple of hours ago. nothing. just nothing. a wasteland. it is unbelievable. this fire here. now, caitlin. 16,000 acres. the last fire i covered here in the palisades, which at the time we thought was a big deal. that

was 1000 acres. this is 16,000 acres. listen, we knew this was going to be bad. everybody knew this was going to be bad. with the santa ana winds, with the drought we've had for so long. no real rain since the spring. when those winds were forecast, we knew it was going to be bad. everyone got ready, but they were prepared for maybe 1 or 2 fires, as you say now. there were like six fires. how do you prioritize? how do you fight those flames? it is terrible. thankfully, the wind, as i say, is dropping, but it's not over. you know, the santa ana winds are going to pick up again in a couple of days. and just the devastation. and just as i say, you know, when you've got fires like this that are just they're just having to leave them to burn, that's going to set something else on fire. it's a chain reaction. i have never seen anything like downtown palisades. >> it's i mean, shocking to see to see what is behind you right now. >> right now. nick is just astounding. i was in the

palisades a week ago, having breakfast at a cafe vita, a cafe that i read today is gone is just completely lost. i was reading, employees were posting about it and saying it was destroyed and just i mean, you know, this, you live in this community. we were talking about your own home last night. i emailed you today to say, you know, how is your family, how is your home doing? because that's how seriously this is progressing. and quickly. >> yeah, yeah. so i mean, santa monica is in danger again. they've just extended some evacuation orders down sort of nearer the beach. but, you know, i mean, after i finished speaking to you, i'm probably going to go. i've got two texts from more friends to check on their house over here before i even go to check on their house. i know it's not going to be there because i've driven past that area and there's nothing left. i'm going to go to my house. i'm going to hose the whole thing down, just hoping that if everything is wet, if an ember lands on it, it won't ignite. and then i think i'm going to go with my family up to west hollywood.

although now we're hearing more fires up there. so let's see. yeah, it's it's extraordinary to cover something like this in your own community. i've been covering fires for a long time. you have sympathy for people now. i have empathy, caitlin. >> i mean, nick, to hear you saying that in between this, you're going to go and hose down your own home as you were reporting on other people's homes being burned to the ground because of this. i mean, how do you when you're doing that, where do you even start? i mean, as anderson was just talking about, the firefighters are putting water on a roof of a house to try to protect it where he is. what does that even look like when you start that process? >> yeah, well, i don't know. we'll see. listen, last night it was my wife who had to pack up. and, you know, you make decisions about what you're going to take. you evaluate what's most important in life. and, you know, you pack it up. i mean, you know, the thing is, all these friends who are asking me to go and look at their houses, you know, when i went into this one neighborhood earlier today and i was looking for their house, when i saw their neighborhood, i thought to myself, you know what? for their sake, i almost hope their house is gone. because, you

know, what would life be like living in the one house that's left in an ashy wasteland? and also when you're downtown, when your community is gone? the two grocery stores in the palisades here, huge grocery stores gone, the theater gone, the library gone. palisades high school was on fire when i drove past it earlier. other schools have gone. offices, people's lives, even if their homes are still okay, their lives, their community. you know, a friend of mine says she's lived here for 35 years. she knows dozens of people who've lost their homes. her office is burned down. there's not much left. caitlin yeah. >> nick. wyatt, please stay safe and we'll continue to check in with you. thank you for that. and as nick is noting, he has friends that he's checking on their homes. these wildfires have destroyed the homes of many, many people. that includes the host, the producer and podcaster melissa rivers. she is the daughter of the late joan rivers. and

melissa is joining me now. and melissa, i just have to start by saying, i am so sorry for for what you and your loved ones are and your neighbors are going through right now. i mean, this is such a beautiful, beautiful area. how are you holding up tonight? >> um, i definitely have not gotten my head around it. um, i got some video sent to me that our house is totally gone. are. you know, i live in the palisades. i'm right in the area that nick is reporting from. and. everything's gone. you know, you can't really get your head around it. and, you know, you think, oh, it's just me and it's not. and i look at a community i've lived in for again, honestly, since my father passed away, is just gone. it's it's unbelievable to see. >> and i'm grateful that that you and your son and your

fiance made it out safely. but but, you know, when you live in this area and obviously in the los angeles area, in california, you get fires all the time. how do you know? when do you realize it's going to end up looking like this? like what we are seeing right now? >> um, eh, you don't but be one of the things that i want people i am begging people to understand is when you get the notice that your area might be evacuated get everything. when they say go, you go. you don't need to be standing on your roof with a garden hose. and that's not going to do anything. and i just beg people, if you are ever in this situation, listen to the warnings and and get out. that's how my son and my fiance and our dogs and we had time to grab, you know, passports, important paperwork to as soon as we got the

original, you might have to go. we started packing and the second they say go, you go. and i just hope people, you know, there is nothing to learn from this, but i hope people understand that when you get those warnings, it is no joke. >> it's such an important message to to hear from you. and you've lived through this and just gone through this. you know, nick was saying when his wife was packing up, as they were preparing to evacuate yesterday. you know, it's hard to know what to bring. i mean, how did you how did you and your family make a decision like that? when you're looking around at your house and all of these things that are that are meaningful to you or have memories, how do you know what you can bring when you can only bring so much? >> um, unfortunately, i've had to evacuate before between the earthquakes and the fires and growing up in los angeles. um, so i kind of have a mental checklist. i made sure that we got passports, that we got

birth certificates, medication, clothing. you know, i just was out shopping for clothes. it started to hit me that no one, we literally just have what's on our backs. i grabbed i think. you know, dog food, cat food. luckily, my office, which is in, was in my home. everyone was there and you know, in my personal situation, that's it. that is the end of everything that were that belonged to my family and the history of it. so i honestly, to be 100% honest, i grabbed my mom's emmy, a photo of my dad, and a drawing that my mother had done of of me and my son and i, i can't even remember which is grammatically correct right now. um, and dog food, cat food. and that was it. but the most important thing is have your papers have all your i.d., have your passports, have

that in one place ready to go. thank goodness we are organized like that. and, you know, have extra pet food and yeah, just it's amazing what you grab. it's amazing what you take. i went for a drawing of my mother's rather than a photo, because i know i can find the photos, but a drawing of hers. >> yeah. >> melissa, i can't replace. >> yeah, it's my heart. >> my heart is so broken. not just for myself, but for going through this. and obviously in our neighborhood. and like you mentioned, cafe vida and all of. nick put it great. it's it's a, it's a town and it is wiped off the map. >> yeah. it's devastating to see it. it's such a special place. melissa i can't say i'm sorry enough, but i'm grateful

that you were able to grab that drawing of your mother's. i know that that's incredibly meaningful to you. thank you for for joining me in a time like this. i really do appreciate it. >> and if everybody if you're getting the warnings, please get out. our firefighters are working so hard. don't be in their way. yeah. >> melissa rivers, no one can say it better than that. thank you. thank you for that. and she said that the firefighters need to be able to get in the way. the devastation that we are seeing is just unimaginable. we're going to speak to someone coming up who helped evacuate three generations of her own family. they now have nothing left. >> this is my house. gone. >> we're going to check in there. and also here in washington, the president elect has just wrapped up a meeting, his first time here on the hill since he won the 2024 election, a senator that he just spoke with is here to take us inside their meeting tonight.

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about what we're looking at right now? >> yeah, as another significant fire just broke out in that area. so the 101 freeway to mulholland drive, hollywood boulevard on one side, laurel canyon on the other. the wind has just been relentless. you know, southern california is currently enduring some of the most historic fire conditions on record. this is extreme weather, strong winds, dry conditions, multiple fires across the region, and it's putting immense pressure on our agency and all other agencies. it feels like you're in a boxing ring with a heavyweight champion, and you take blow after blow after blow after fire after fire. and it is very challenging. we're up to the challenge, but believe me, we are being tested. >> do you expect there to be more evacuations in the coming hours? should people who live in this area and around nichols canyon and the hills here should, should they be prepared

for that? >> yes. we already sent out a wireless emergency alert that forces notification to people in the area to make them aware of a fast moving brush fire. we've already. polygon or created the area of concern, and the target hazards inside. essentially where the fire is, where it's going, and where people need to go. so i nearly canceled this interview to to run down there and assist. but as soon as we end i'll head there. and i just came up the pch from our new base camp at zuma beach and along the pch going up to santa monica. it reminded me of lahaina, maui and front street. there is a ton of devastation and a countless leveled homes along that area. we had another major brush fire, the hurst fire that was in sylmar, kind of the north part of l.a. 2000 acres, 0% contained. there was another fire called the easton fire that had two deaths

already, and that just started today. so again, there's significant issues going on throughout the area. but what we have done is we've requested to have additional resources from automatic aid. so nearby fire stations have come in to help. we've called in for more assistance from the state. and you were given everything we can right now. >> i mean, your resources were already stretched. i know other states are helping. we heard that from the governor earlier, but. but now, with another fire on on your watch. i mean, what does this look like over the next few hours? and are you worried that more fires are going to start in the next few hours? >> this is going to be extremely challenging for the next few hours. last night was one of the worst wind events i've ever been. it certainly in my 20 years with this department and working for other departments. in the past. the wind was beyond extreme. i'm six foot four, 225 and i lost my balance a couple times. the wind was throwing me around, so. but as far as being

stretched thin like you mentioned, yeah, we are stretched to our capacity with the emergency services, so we still got to deal with 4 million people that live in l.a. and so we normally run about 1500 emergency incidents every day. we take about 650 people to the hospital every day. we are so surpassing that we had about 3 to 4000 emergency calls compared to our normal 1500 yesterday. so we knew this was coming, though we knew the weather was going to be bad. we told everybody and we prepared for it. we augmented our staffing levels, we put additional boots on the ground in key areas that are prone to wildfire, to allow us to hit these hard and fast. we pre-deployed those other resources and we even put a parking restrictions, like in the hollywood hills, where this fire broke out, because there's hairpin choke points coming out when people are trying to evacuate and you got a big red fire engine trying to come in. so we did a lot of preparation. that's helped, but we got a long road ahead of

us. >> i know your time is valuable before you go, people are watching. what do you want them to know? people that are in these areas. what warnings or urgings do you have for them this evening? >> i applaud your previous viewers, nick and melissa. they did a good job. you need to evacuate early. don't wait to be told we are doing everything we can to alert you, to make you prepared, to help you to understand. we know people also get notification fatigue, but right now people are very awake to the to the potential. and if you see smoke, you smell smoke. get into that. ready set, go. if you live in the brush area, you should be in the set. absolutely. right now, if you get any smoke or if you get any alerts coming by that a brush fire is nearby, move to that. go park. get out. grab your predetermined belongings. your vehicle should be backed into your driveway, and you should be ready to go. this is serious, captain erik scott, thank you so much for your time. >> i know how important it is.

i really appreciate it tonight and good luck tonight. please keep us updated. thank you. thank you. and we have new video that we are getting in from a pacific palisades family. that's where nick just was reporting from, doing everything that they could to save their home as it caught on fire earlier. i'll be back. >> i love you, i love you, what do you want? i'm gonna go back at the neighbor's house. okay? what do you think? that sounds better? i don't know, just do whatever you can that was caitlyn duran there with her family, including her 84 year old grandfather. >> all of them eventually packing up and fleeing as the wildfires ruined and destroyed their homes. and caitlyn and her dad, tom, are here with me now. and i just want to say thank you to you both for being here. i mean, just watching that video and hearing you say, i love you. i mean, it's just

it's devastating to see what your family has gone through this evening. how are you holding up? >> i mean, we have 11 adults, three pit bulls, a lab, 175 pound tortoise and a cat in a one bedroom house. but like, we're doing well, i'd say, overall, like, with everything that's going on, it's so much more than just our house is burning down. but the entire community is, you know, i believe they said 75% done. so we're we're happy to be together, that's for sure. >> yeah. i mean, obviously it's a lot of people and animals in one home. but obviously we're grateful for your safety. tom, tell me, how are you feeling? i saw this video and this moment where you were just i just let me let everyone listen to it first because it's a powerful moment of you watching your own home go up in flames here.

>> this is my house. gone nothing left. >> i mean, tom, to hear you say that there's my house gone. >> there's. there's nothing left. i can't even imagine what that felt like for you. >> it was. it was a bit of a shock. we fought the fire until about 10:00, when the water stopped. um. and we had no water pressure. so at that time, and we were we were winning the battle, um, because of the way the house was built originally. it had, you know, it was smooth on the sides. no place for the for the embers to to slide into it. and, you know, we we abandoned my father in

law's house across the street about 45 minutes before that, because of the low water pressure. and then we just we had to go. we there was no water. um, up in the up in the streets. we had no there was no fire department up there at any time during, during the day since the start of the fire, uh, the air tankers we had, i think two drops, two, uh, retardant drops. and then they left. uh, so we felt we feel that we were abandoned by the city uh, the you know, uh, mayor removing $20 million from the fire department. uh, i'm sure that didn't help. i know they're trying to do their job, but we felt

abandoned. >> yeah, it was it was pretty crazy. we were watching the flames from the deck from 1030 to about 3:00 when we evacuated our tortoise. tiptoe. and. no, i mean, we didn't even have a fire truck go up and smoke was going the other way. so as prepared as we were to leave once it hit, about 4:35 p.m., we had houses in the alphabet streets going in. it was it was bad. so we got grandma grandpa out and for us that just it's very significant because we're i'm a fifth generation palisades fire and my family's been there since the 1930s. my mom grew up in the house across the street from where i grew up, and we just watched them both go up in flames. didn't i mean, what are you going to do? >> i mean, along with along with practically every house in the neighborhood? >> oh yeah, the whole we got an

aerial view of it, neighborhood flattened. >> it's just it's so sad. the whole community is gone. >> i can't even imagine what it's like to to not only watch your house, but but to see your neighbors, your friends houses. also to have that happen. and i want to say thank you to you both for coming on. and, tom, i promise, when we have officials on from the city, we will ask them about the response and about what this looked like, because i think those are those are important questions to ask. so i just want to thank you both for taking the time to come on. i know you're all crammed in one house. i'm glad you're all safe, but but caitlin and tom, thank you both for for joining me tonight. >> thank you so much. have a nice night. >> and we're going to continue to bring you updates as they come in. of course we noted there. we just learned about a new fire that has broken out. we're watching that very closely. also here on capitol hill. president elect donald trump has just finished up a meeting with senate republicans as he prepares to return to the white house. my next guest was in that meeting. we'll talk to him about what happened

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bill versus two bills, and whatever it is doesn't matter. we're going to get the result. >> and my congressional source tonight was in that meeting with trump, the republican senator, mike rounds of south dakota joins me now. and, senator, it's great to have you here. that meeting you came out, you went into it. no consensus. you came out of it. is there a consensus of how to move forward, just one big bill or splitting it into two? >> the consensus is we're going to get it done one way or the other. and the real thing is, is which way is going to work the best. we'll work that out over the next couple of weeks, maybe even the next couple of months. but clearly both would work. it's a matter of which approach would work better. nobody is set in stone on the right path forward. what we do know, number one, that we have to get the economy back rolling again. second of all, the border has got to be contained. and then finally, we want to bring energy production back in. all of those items are doable with one single bill. we believe the house, on the other hand, would love to do a bigger, more beautiful bill as they've talked. we think it

can be done, but we think the taxes may take a little bit longer just because of the intricacies of a $4.6 trillion. >> yeah, it's a massive bill to put everything together. i mean, is that possible to keep republicans on the same page? if you do pursue that one big bill? >> we think we could, but we think it would be easier in the senate if we did, two. but it's okay, because the bottom line is, regardless of which of the processes we take, we're going to get this done and we have to get it done. because, number one, we know that we've got to secure that border. and second of all, if we don't, the american people will see a tax increase of about $4.6 trillion. and nobody wants that. >> yeah. and of course, a big question of what that would look like for for the debt and the deficit as well, if that does get passed, i mean, we'll see how that that happens. i do have a question. you know, republicans, senators often ask questions in these meetings to to president-elect trump. he made a lot of news yesterday when he was talking about greenland, not ruling out

taking it by by military force yesterday. you know, i was thinking about this because something you've said before, we've talked about this is you've talked about the importance of, of ukraine being able to protect its own territory, that that russia can't just go in and take it by force. i was talking to trump's national security advisor in round one, ambassador john bolton, last night. he was saying that when when trump says something like that and doesn't rule out military force, he said, it sounds like putin and ukraine or president xi of china and taiwan. how do you personally see it? do you see that comparison? >> i don't look, the president clearly is saying greenland is very, very important. the panama canal is very important. and he doesn't feel that we're getting treated fairly there. and a lot of americans, once they find out what our costs are to move our naval ships through there, they would agree with him the same thing with greenland. greenland is critical because as climate change occurs, greenland is becoming is going to become a more and more important part of the world's strategies. among the major players, china and russia and the united states all recognize that the polar

region is extremely important. we have an air base on greenland, and the folks on greenland. right now, there's about 55, 56,000 people that are there. they have depended on the fact that they know that we are part of nato and that we defend them. the real question is, is would it be appropriate if there's a way to do it, to be able to bring greenland in as part of the united states, as a territory or otherwise? so i think that's the discussion that's going on. and look, there isn't there's no suggestion on his part just because he's not ruling it out. what he's really saying is, is why should i rule anything out? i'm a negotiator. so we'll start out by just simply saying greenland is important. we got to talk about it. >> you're saying take him seriously? not literally. senator mike rounds, we'd love to have you back to talk more about the specifics in the future. of course, a lot of time covering these wildfires tonight. i'm so grateful for your time tonight. >> our thoughts and prayers go out with all of those victims out there. this is a bad, bad thing. and as we say, you look at your government as to how they respond during an

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here. also here in washington, i want to check in on an important story tonight, as we have learned from justice samuel alito himself, confirming on the record that he had a direct phone call with the president elect who was here on capitol hill this afternoon. they had a phone call yesterday afternoon. now, this comes, of course, as the president elect today asked the high court to call off his sentencing in the hush money case that is scheduled for friday. now, justice alito says this call was about a job recommendation from a former clerk of his who wants to work in the trump administration, asked him to recommend him on his behalf. but alito said in his statement tonight, and i'm quoting him now, we did not discuss the emergency application he filed today, and indeed, i was not even aware at the time of our conversation that such an application would be filed. cnn's former, former or current cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor elliot williams, is my legal source. tonight. elliot, it's obviously not pretty. pretty. it's not weird for a supreme court justice to recommend a

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here showing pockets of fire raging on top of the hills, as firefighters are desperately working to put out this blaze. so far, they are struggling to put out any of it. cnn's chief climate correspondent bill weir is in pacific palisades. and bill, obviously, you know, we were just checking in with the palisades and looking at what this looks like. now to hear that that this area in hollywood hills near runyon canyon, which i mean, anyone who's been over there and hiked knows this. i was just there last week. i mean, they were already having trouble with the firefighters that were there. now there is a sixth one that has started. >> yes. >> if you've ever been to the hollywood walk of fame, the stars in front of the kodak theater, where the academy awards all of that looks directly above where you are there into the hills beyond franklin boulevard, there is runyon canyon, and that is that neighborhood. >> those are the iconic, curvy streets that have amazing views of downtown all the way to the pacific. that is one of the most popular dog parks. you're talking about that hiking trail

there. young actors work on their lines doing that loop up there, reward at the top as you get towards mulholland drive is this amazing view. but the idea that flame is now ripping through that part of the city, maybe threatening down into the franklin boulevard area. that's the hollywood bowl, is to the east of that area there as well. hugely troubling, so difficult. and again, this is a combination for these first responders of the conditions. the santa ana winds, this bone dry brush that grew like proverbial weeds when it had a wet winter last year, but then was dried out for the last few months of drought. and then the terrain, these winding roads, these canyons, lack of water pressure up in these hills. i was thinking about it a couple of years ago. i was covering the woolsey fire in malibu and talking about the boom and private firefighting out here, where people who have these multimillion dollar homes are trying to hedge their bets by hiring private firefighters. but these days, nobody is getting into these. doesn't

matter. public. private doesn't matter when the conditions are this bad. here in pacific palisades, we've been just watching these these businesses burn to the ground without intervention. it's so disturbing. a modern american business just allowed to burn to the ground because there's so many of these fires everywhere. we'll see what happens up in the hills tonight. caitlin. that will be a focus of a lot of stress. >> yeah. stress that that these firefighters did not need added to their plate this hour. bill, we are covering it for us all. thank you for that report. we'll continue to check in with you and where this new fire has broken out in this area. obviously, as bill was noting, when you go up there and walk, it is these winding roads. and so not only are we looking at this and seeing how firefighters are going to be dealing with this, it's also people evacuating and getting down these hills, these neighborhoods that have these steep, winding roads as firefighters are trying to get up them and trying to deal with this and to prevent it from getting to these homes. we're following thislo