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800 859 2400. >> thank you so much for sharing part of your afternoon with us. i'm boris sanchez alongside brianna keilar in our nation's capital. and right now los angeles county is bracing for a return of intense wind as it endures. one of the most destructive wildfire outbreaks in its history. the largest, the palisades fire, is charred some 17,000 acres, and that is just one of five wildfires ravaging one of the most populated areas in the country. winds are slightly down compared to yesterday, but all the fires are still far from full containment. the eaton fire, notably, is responsible for at least five deaths, and the sheriff says that that number is tragically sure to go up. >> more than 180,000 people are under evacuation orders. the number of structures damaged or destroyed runs into the thousands. and for those whose homes were spared, they are grieving for the neighborhoods that are

now ashen wastelands. >> my home is standing, but it's one of the few homes in the area, and i have a lot of guilt about that because i have a lot of people that i care about and the community that are just completely devastated. some neighbor that i've never met before came and we just hugged and cried, never met each other before, but we just shared that same pain and just the question mark of what's coming next. we have no idea. we're going moment to moment right now. >> cnn's julia vargas is in altadena, california, where five people are confirmed dead so far. and julia, as we mentioned, that number is expected to grow. officials have not been able to move through these homes at this point. tell us how things are there right now. >> yeah. look, part of that thought process, brianna, is that they just need to see what is it that they come back to. this is is what people are coming back to. a lot of it is this

just entire blocks of homes destroyed. it's it's quite jarring. we've we've been moving around altadena today trying to see what the situation is like in different parts of, of town to kind of get a sense of, you know, how widespread is this? where is it? what does it look like? and this is we've seen this over and over again. but, you know, on the other side of the street, we have homes that are fully untouched. i won't say untouched. we really don't know the situation of these homes on the backside, but they look perfectly fine. so yeah, i think people are coming, trying to come back home and trying to assess the situation. and we're just beginning to understand what is it that happened here, how bad it really is. and officials were saying earlier today, it's not just people's homes, it's infrastructure. it's transportation, it's power lines look like down the street. we're just seeing all these downed power lines. a lot of them have been cut off. we know this. about 215,000

people, households i should say, are without power. half of those are on purpose, especially to avoid those kinds of new sparks that could spread this fire. and another thing is that we're hearing now that the winds are expected to pick back up later today and into the weekend. meteorologists are telling us that that could also mean that we're really far from being out of the woods. brianna. >> and, julia, obviously, it's still very early, but we know that officials have begun the process of investigating what sparked these fires. what can you tell us about that? >> well, we know that the eaton fire, which it started in, you know, up in this area, the mountains, there's probably a wall of smoke behind me. so you can't quite tell. but this is where it came from, right? and

it spread into this area. we are hearing from, from authorities that there are arson investigations in the palisades fire. they have a team of over 20 investigators looking into what is it that could have caused the fire? that is the largest of the fires of the five fires burning now in the los angeles area, and one of the most devastating in the whole history of california. >> boris julia vargas jones, thank you so much for the update from altadena. we want to discuss some dramatic video that was captured as someone was apparently fleeing the palisades fire. it shows. traffic as this person was fleeing the fire. chris reed captured the footage and joins us now live from west hollywood. chris, thank you so much for being with us. i understand you evacuated to a hotel in west hollywood. how are you holding up? >> i'm doing well. was able to check out the place today. i'm

lucky that our place is currently still there. and safe. but, you know, only. only time will tell. we just got to keep holding out hope. >> when did you first realize that you had to get out? what was it that that got you moving? >> honestly, i left for work, like 815 that morning. by 1030. my boss came in my office and was like, hey, is your neighborhood okay? and then i looked up and had to rush home because the dog was there and talk to us about that. >> that process when you got there and had to get your dog out. what was that like for you? >> i mean, it was sitting in bumper to bumper traffic on pch. i finally was able to get into the vons on pch and sunset, and i just started walking up. um, and yeah, i'm up in the highlands and it's, you know, a three, three and a half mile, four mile walk. and

luckily there was a landscaper heading back the other way because we have a fire. uh, exit that was shut off because of the fires, but was able to catch a ride with them and what's going through your mind as all of this is happening? >> i mean, how do you imagine that your neighborhood might endure something like this? some of these scenes just appear to be out of an apocalyptic movie. >> yeah. i mean, you you never expect it. you you live in california, so, you know, there's a possibility. but i don't think that's any way someone lives their life is expecting something to happen. you just kind of deal with it as it comes by and, you know, was able to check it out today. and just the scenes in the palisades is unbelievable. >> yeah. i'm relieved. >> my heart goes out to the community. >> yeah. no doubt. i'm relieved to hear that. it sounds like your home is relatively intact. i understand that the santa ana winds are

going to pick back up this weekend. do you have a plan if if conditions worsen i mean, right now the highlands is on lockdown. >> the cops have a locked down. there's security watching everything. so i don't know when we can go back. and my place is okay right now. but we don't know how these things change, how the wind is going to change. how is it going to affect fire movement? but, you know, i really would love to, you know, call on our leadership in the town to get get a plan in order. it was a bit alarming when mayor bass had her press conference this morning and had no idea what was going on in the highlands, and it's where the fire started. so if, uh, you know, i know everyone's dealing with something, but if the community can call on mayor bass, call on our councilwoman traci park. uh, we need some water drops up here. >> chris reed, thanks so much for sharing your experience with us. >> appreciate you.

>> for now, the response is pushing firefighting crews to the breaking point. with us now is kenichi haskett, los angeles county fire department section chief, who is assigned to the palisades fire. can you talk to us a little bit about it? you just heard from a palisades resident who's saying they need fire drops. can you give us sort of a real time idea of what's happening up there? kind of speak to that concern. we're not there. you are there. he's there. >> chris, i'm glad he got out safely. that was our first and foremost task to make sure everyone got out safely and alive and unharmed. unfortunately, we did have several injuries to both firefighters and personnel to directly address chris's question and your question, we have both fixed wing and rotary wing flying. we had them flying in until the winds were reaching in excess of 100 miles an hour on those ridge tops. so at this time we have over 2300 firefighters here. we're getting more, not only throughout the state of california, but throughout our

bordering states. so we have firefighters coming in from out of state. so we're getting there as fast as we can. we urge your people to please stay out. >> yeah. and we saw you have them from out of country as well coming in from quebec and other parts of canada, which is really amazing that they're coming to help. can you talk to us about the winds where things stand right now with getting those aircraft up, the limiting factor on some of the aircraft or any of them up, and what you're seeing for the prognosis of more winds coming. >> yeah. so aircraft we have both rotary and fixed wing. when the winds sustained to those levels of those 100 to 60 mile an hour levels of winds, that makes it an aircraft can't fly in those type of conditions. it's dangerous. they can crash. but right now we're taking advantage of the weather. we got aircraft up all last night. we had over seven helicopters flying throughout the night. today we have all our fixed wing and rotary wing that we can get up today,

though unfortunately this afternoon here in the next couple of hours, winds are supposed to start increasing back to those ridge tops reaching. according to the national weather service, up to 60mph. >> and so obviously that's going to be the limiting factor there. tell us, how are the fire crews doing? they have been so taxed now going days into this. >> we had guys coming off the line today that went up on initial attack. that means the first call to service, the 911 calls that came in at 1030 on tuesday morning, that just came off the li. the're exhausted. we we asked people when and something i would like to stress is when we issue an evacuation order, we need people to be leaving. when we issue a warning, we need people to be ready to go. that doesn't mean you get ready when a warning is issued. you need to be ready within minutes to evacuate your home. taking all your pictures, your

medications, your pets, your animals, everything. so. but we have over and we're getting firefighters, like you mentioned, not only out of state but out of the country. and we will definitely take that help and we'll put them on the line. >> yeah. no doubt. and chief, earlier, the l.a. fire department said that arson investigators are actively looking into the palisades fire. is there reason to believe that this was arson? >> for most statistically, 90% of our wildland wind driven fires, unfortunately, are human caused. so i'll leave it at that. statistically, they will investigate that will be released as soon as possible. but again, we want to urge your viewers to please stay out of the area. let my firefighters get in there to work and get this fire out as soon as possible. >> and can you talk to us a little bit about if you could? the eaton fire, because we're talking now about five people who are

confirmed dead, but the expectation is that's going to grow. and i think a lot of folks are concerned it could grow dramatically. i mean, we just know even anecdotally, talking to people, talking to our reporters who live not far from there, they know people in those neighborhoods who are disabled, and they have not been able to confirm that they got out. this is a picture of the eaton fire that we have up right now. can you speak to that and the concerns about casualties? >> we don't want casualties. our number one priority is to make sure life, the people, animals, pets, your loved ones, get out safely. we were answering 911 calls, unlimited amount over over a dozen 911 calls during the evenings and the after hours through tuesday night into wednesday morning to get people out at least of the palisades fire. um, it's a tragedy when people get injured, let alone they lose

their lives. but to speak to your point specifically, um, it's tragic. we we have our deepest sympathy for those families. and my condolences. >> yeah. no. it's horrible. chief, thank you so much. we certainly appreciate the update. not great news about the winds, but hopefully they'll die down soon. thanks for being with us. >> all right. thank you. >> so here's how to help those who have lost so much to the wildfires. you'll find groups to contribute to by going to cnn.com. slash impact or texting wildfires to 7070, 70. and still to come, more coverage of the catastrophic wildfires in los angeles. we'll ask a congressman who represents the area, how the federal government is helping those impacted. >> plus, the body of president jimmy carter is returning to his hometown of plains, georgia, after an emotional state funeral in washington. >> today. many think he was from a bygone era, but in

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palisades. congressman, thank you so much for being with us. obviously, we'd be in the way of this call from president biden, so feel free to interrupt if you have to. i wonder, what are you going to share with president biden? what are you going to ask for? >> well, first, i'm going to thank him for making the major disaster declaration that's going to help people in all these fires in l.a. county and thank him for the emergency firefighting grants as well. i've got to ask him first to try to get the money obligated in the remainder of his presidency as much as he can. usually these things, you know, you have the i know everybody's focused on the emergency here, but the rebuilding is going to take months and years. and we do have funds in fema that could be obligated so that trump can't mess with them. starting january 21st. and second, i'm going to ask him for an emergency. uh,

supplemental. i don't think we can pass that in congress or will in the next couple of weeks. but giving his imprimatur to that is going to be so important. this is not only the most costly fire in american history. it's more costly than the other ten fires that you would list. this is a the wall street journal has already done an analysis showing a $50 billion cost, and the fire isn't contained yet. so this is we have to meet people's emergency needs. we have to hope that we do not see any fatalities in from the palisades fire. and our heart goes out to those in the eastern fire that have lost loved ones. but this is going to be a multiyear project. uh, the whole town is mostly burned down. >> congressman, it strikes me that you seem to have concern that president elect trump might. i think you described it

as mess with fema funding that could negatively impact your community. how real is that concern? speak to that you just never know when trump is saying seriously. >> and what indicates just kind of a proclivity. but if you and i'm sure you've shown your your viewers the tape of him speaking in october where he says, well, if there are disasters in california, we'll just tell them to, you know, we're not going to help. and that is obviously of concern. i hope it's i hope it's not true. there's a lot of bluster from president-elect trump and let's hope he wasn't taking himself seriously. but as a as the representative for this area, i have to worry about the fact that maybe he won't be serious. >> sure. congressman, i've seen a number of claims on social media about fire hydrants running dry in pacific palisades. you brought up president-elect trump and what he's been sharing on social

media. he's echoed some of those, also repeating criticism of state and local officials and the lead up to these devastating fires. do you understand what happened with those fire hydrants? could that have been prevented? >> yes. look, we have enough water in los angeles. uh, we're all taking showers this evening, getting huge amounts of water into the palisades and having the water pressure be significant is difficult. and the system was not designed to deal with this unprecedented fire. uh, you. it's easy now to say it should have been. but there are 3 million. i think it's million gallon tanks that are created in order to have the water flow down from the tank and give you the pressure throughout the pacific palisades. and this was an unprecedented event. and those tanks that provide the water

pressure, um, were fully exhausted. we are bringing in the water now and more importantly, we're bringing in the firefighting planes and helicopters that do the huge water drops. so this system was not designed for the biggest fire in american history, bigger than, uh, the next ten combined. and as we as we deal with climate change, we're going to have to engineer not only for the things we know, but things that might be ten times bigger than what we're familiar with. >> yeah. so some of those images out of southern california are just staggering. i do have to ask you about, uh, the approval of a budget cut of $17 million for the l.a. fire department. l.a. mayor karen bass has been criticized for that cut, as well as being outside of the country. when these fires broke out. what do you make of

those criticisms? do firefighters have what they need, and how much did those budget cuts potentially affect their response? >> well, the budget cuts relate to money that's going to be spent in 2025. and we're chiefly for training. and i'm pleased to have gotten the federal government to give us a new site that we're going to use for firefighter training, training in my district. uh, i would expect that there will be. uh, appropriations at the l.a. city level for our firefighters that go beyond what they've done so far. uh, looking back, it'd be, uh obviously, uh, you can say we should have done, you know, these these cuts, uh, i think will be reversed and should be. and they were perhaps ill advised, but they're not a reason why the palisades have have suffered this this was a money to train people in 2025. and if for political reasons,

you can explain that, that somehow affects firefighting on the ground now. uh, then uh uh, then you're i don't i don't know how you would do that. as to her being out of the country. yes. this is a there's a lot of wind. now, i'm sure that when she made this, these plans, there wasn't wind. it's hard to predict wind. and if you were to tell a mayor of los angeles never leave town. if there's something on the list to worry about. this is a big city. this is the biggest county in the country by far. there's always something to worry about. so, um, uh, you can say that the mayor should never leave town. the fact is, the people who are on the ground that dealt with this issue were there. they're doing an excellent job. uh, again, this is a bigger fire than america has ever seen. >> congressman brad sherman, we'll let you get to that call with president biden. please do let us know if there's any message you want us to get

out. >> i think it's, uh, it's great that he is taking another opportunity to express his concerns to the people of my district and of los angeles in general. and he has already done an excellent job of providing federal assistance, not just at the present time, but to put us on the road to recovery in the years to come. >> please extend him an invitation to cnn news central. the president is more than welcome to come on anytime to answer our questions. thank you so much, congressman. good. stay with cnn. we're going to take a quick break. we'll be back in just moments with live coverage of the apocalyptic scenes playing out in southern california. >> listen to chasing life with me. dr. sanjay gupta, wherever you get your podcasts. >> vehicle breakdowns are costly. >> it started making some really weird noises. >> if your check engine light comes on tomorrow, the repair

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this area and giving us a better look at what some of these neighborhoods are looking like. we've been basically moving just a couple blocks at a time. this is a different area, but i want you to take a look at what this street looks like. what you're looking at. there is a gas line and the gas company is here to try to put out some of these spot fires and then to fully shut off the gas. and as we as lionel pans through this community, each one of these is a home. you can see cars. i think that's a that's a water heater. possibly. this looks like this may have been a kitchen. um, and, you know, a lot of chimneys and, and you can see the front of homes. so you can imagine what each of these families and homeowners had. but you really have to imagine it

because there's just nothing left to give you a sort of a physical structure of what these homes look like. and this is altadena. i'm starting to see some residents come back. i'm on harriet street. this is a very typical community here in altadena. and just you can see sort of signs of life as some of these homeowners start to to walk these streets and try to figure out what's what's left. and what they're learning is there's just not a lot left, at least on this street and on some of the surrounding areas. when this fire came through with very little warning. you can see it just mowed through this community. so, um, what today has been about that we've seen over and over again, are these residents coming back and trying to figure out what to do, to comprehend what's happened, because it happened so quickly, and then to look at next steps. firefighters are still working and out of control. fire here. there is 0% containment. it's more than

10,000 acres. there is no power to this region. the surrounding regions. a lot of the schools have been shut down. air quality is a major concern. so all of these problems as the major firefight is still going on, brianna, it's just unreal. >> the scene around you, kyung. and you know, you you live roughly in the area. you know, a lot of families there. you're talking to them. what are they saying and what are they dealing with? as they've had to try to find alternate housing, figure out what they're doing with their kids who aren't in school? >> well, kids. kids are not in school in this area the rest of the week. we haven't heard anything beyond into what's going to happen next week. um, what i can tell you about the families, though. remember how quickly this happened? we started out monday thinking, okay, it's going to be a fire event, potentially. it might be a wind event, but i just want you to take a look at this, because this community, you can

see how flat it is. this is a foothill community. this isn't in the mountains. when you think of california wildfires, at least the way i think of california wildfires, the places that are most at risk are the ones that are surrounded by tons of brush, surrounded by tons of trees, and in mountainous regions. that's not what this is. this is a place where a lot of people bought their homes 25, 30 years ago thinking, okay, this is a great, safe, affordable place where i can raise my kids, send them to good schools, and you know, this is going to be a great life. they didn't buy this thinking that there was going to be massive fires here. and that is something that has changed. so the big conversation between a lot of these families, the immediate one is, okay, we got to get back. we've got to figure out where we're going to stay. is there an airbnb i can rent where we try to figure out how to deal with insurance for all of this, but then the next thing is, okay, this is what we live in now. so across this entire area, a lot of

families i know are having this discussion of how safe are we to live in a place where we thought, this isn't a huge fire risk everywhere is now a large fire risk in los angeles county. this has certainly put a period on that. it is very clear to a lot of people what we are living in now. >> yeah, the insurance is just going to get more expensive. you can bank on that. and so they're going to have to grapple with that. is that something they want to deal with as well as the risk. kyung, thank you so much for showing us that neighborhood. it r appreciate the look. so the man from plains returning home, jimmy carter's remains are back in georgia, where his life began and where he will be laid to rest. you are looking at live pictures from fort moore, georgia. we'll be right back with more.

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example, before the iowa caucuses, which everybody else disregarded, he literally spent 100 days in iowa. but when he came to the white house, he decided to park politics outside the oval office. that was a strength. and it was a weakness. it was a strength because it allowed him to tackle issues like the panama canal, like the middle east, like energy that other presidents had shied away from. it was a weakness, however, because a president has to be both a commander in chief and a politician in chief. now, i think on that balance, it was better that he had taken these issues on because we wouldn't have the middle east peace process otherwise. with egypt and israel. we wouldn't have the kind of energy security we have today with the panama canal. we wouldn't have a new era in latin american relations. but he paid a terrible political price for it. for example, nine democratic senators who voted for the panama canal treaty lost in the next election. >> i just want to let our

viewers know these are live images again of fort moore, georgia, where we are watching the flag draped casket of the 39th president be removed from the plane on its way to plains, georgia. ambassador, i've heard you and others describe this, uh, air of humility that jimmy carter carried himself with even not wanting hail to the chief to be played at times when he walked into a room. i wonder, given what we saw today, this state funeral and all of the reminders of of not just his power as president, but of american power, what he might have thought of what we saw today. >> well, you know, you could say, isn't this contradictory to the humility? and we used to almost joke the first month. he said, i don't want to play hail to the chief. and i said, mr. president, we spent two years getting here. it's no fun to get here if you can't play hail to the chief. he finally

realized that people didn't want to see him as just another common man, which is how he, you know, ran with carrying his own suitcase and so forth. they want the president to be somewhat elevated. he planned this funeral. this wasn't imposed on him. so i think now at the end of his life, he wanted to be seen as a president of the united states, not just as common man, jimmy carter, that he was in that line of exclusive clubs. the 39th person elected to this office. and he wanted to go out with with the flourishes that he sometimes did not have during the white house. >> he was never one to keep his. opinion quiet or not be constructively critical. at times when he thought it was important. and some of i thought what you said and what we heard, maybe challenged some, channeled some of that spirit from him. i

wonder what you would think, what you think he would think of this state of affairs right now in the country? well, first of all, if i had a purpose in this speech, it was to redeem his presidency from the notion that he was only a great ex-president and implicitly, therefore, an unsuccessful president. >> and what i went through was a whole range of things, deregulation of all of our institutions and so forth. i think that today he would be really concerned, and i know he was from talking to him before he passed away, because a lot of the legislation we passed, a lot of it energy deregulation of all the transportation modes, independent counsel, all of those things, inspectors general, we got a lot of republican support. and he had breakfast as regularly, not just with the democratic leadership, with the republican leadership. he would really be very concerned with the

tremendous polarization that we have in the country today. you can't govern this country if you view the other side, not just as your honored opponent, but as the enemy. he never did. he had very good relations with the republican leaderships on both sides. howard baker, who was a great senator from tennessee, republican senator, majority leader, was absolutely essential in getting the panama canal passed. just think of getting two thirds of the senate to pass a treaty today. it wouldn't happen. and so what i was also trying to say is he is an exemplar of an era which we need to get back to, of more bipartisanship, where we don't, again, feel that the opponent is is our enemy. and we realize that to make the system work, our system requires compromise. it's not a parliamentary system where you have an absolute majority in the parliament. there has to be cooperation between the president and the congressional

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going to mean for those gusts are mainly in the mountain areas above 3000 and 4000ft. >> not really where the fires are at this point in time, but something else that's happening today that's not good is that you'll notice these arrows as we work our way through the forecast. they kind of change direction. we're talking to a police chief. fire chief last hour saying, you know what, hey, when they switch directions, all of a sudden our firefighters can be out of position because the winds are blowing in the wrong direction. so yes, it will be gusty today. tomorrow is a completely different story. every wind here begins to go down, but also every arrow changes direction as the fire moves off toward the east in places that we don't want it to move off to the east for sure, especially when you're talking palisades fire and the next town over is santa monica. so the humidity is going to go up, the winds are going to go down, things will get better tomorrow. it's just going to be a little bit of a different

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