the justices rejected trump's emergency request to stop that sentencing 5 to 4. that means that his sentencing is going to proceed as planned tomorrow morning before he is inaugurated. a source tells cnn that he plans to appear virtually this time. and you'll recall that trump was convicted back in may on 34 counts in that stormy daniels case, judge juan merchan, the judge who oversees the new york trial, has indicated that trump will not face penalties or prison time. the president elect's appeal to convict to his conviction is still pending, and it is working its way through appeals courts. thank you very much for watching news night laura coates. liv starts right now. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> good evening, everyone, and welcome to

inching closer to homes in the area. after rapidly growing in just the last few hours. and that makes five. five active blazes in the los angeles area. seven people are now confirmed to be dead, but officials say that actual toll is likely higher because they still can't even get to several neighborhoods. weather conditions overnight could make some of those fires even worse. the powerful winds that helped fuel the flames earlier this week are picking back up, and they are not expected to be as destructive as wednesday, but they will bring gusts up to 60mph. that's especially worrying for the firefighters who are battling the palisades and eden fires, which are still 0% contained. both have destroyed thousands of structures. i mean, just take a look. this is a neighborhood in pasadena

before the fires. this is it. after rows of houses, homes reduced to ash. here's a view of above the pacific palisades. when it was fully intact. here it is. now. the l.a. county sheriff says it looks like an atomic bomb was dropped. it's the views from above that seem to really highlight this vast devastation from the fires. and it is incredibly heartbreaking to even think about, let alone to see. even more heartbreaking is hearing residents describe exactly what they've lost, the homes that gave them shelter were priceless. memories were made. the pictures, the keepsakes from mothers and fathers and grandparents and brothers and sisters. all of it gone. >> there's nothing, there's nothing. there's nothing left.

i literally just have the clothes on my back. there's nothing. i. i left valuable stuff here, you know, pictures. just really the pictures. that's, you know, i can't replace things that my grandmother gave me. my granddaughter, she's always making me something. and i put it in a frame, you know, i don't have those no more. last night, i couldn't sleep, and i just sat there on the side of the bed and just cried. >> it's my children's history, their lives in that house, and we don't have the photos there. we don't have their diplomas. we don't have, you know, anything. and, you know, my mother had recently passed away in april, and i had some of her things now at my house. and and that's all gone. that's all gone now. now too. and it's like i just can't sleep

at night just thinking about everything. >> i tried to save my house because that's all i have. everything i've ever worked for my entire life was there. my work equipment, my brother's ashes, my daughter's momentums, my keepsakes, my deceased mother's photos and belongings that she passed down to me. it's all i have i have nothing. i can't even teach. and i'm a first responder. i teach people to save lives. and i couldn't even save my house. and i'm just shattered. >> oh my god, the pain is even worse for those who have lost the most irreplaceable thing of all their loved ones. kimiko nickerson stood in front of the charred remains of her own childhood home, where her father had stayed behind. >> this is where we've been our

whole life, and my son tried to get him to leave, and my neighbors and myself, and he said, he'll be fine. i'll be here when you guys come back. and he said his house would be here. his house is here. and he was here, too. he was in his bed when i found him. >> i want to go right now to cnn's bill weir, who is in big rock, a neighborhood just east of malibu. bill, this is day three of this excruciating nightmare. and these fires, they are still mostly uncontained. what are you seeing this hour well, we're not seeing much because it is pitch black along the powerless pacific coast highway. >> i don't know if you can tell, but the the pacific is right behind me. and then in a brighter, better day, this would be a row of multimillion dollar oceanfront properties here. but they're just burned to ash with cars sort of

marking where different driveways were before. this is the result of of that ember fire, a ember blizzard essentially coming over these hills. as you were saying, i guess 48, 60 hours. i'm losing track of the math now. but basically anything that could have served as fuel caught fire and burned so hot it melted. and you can see sort of the aluminum sculptures that were once car tires melting into these rivulets around us here. this is part of the palisades fire. it's by itself, it would probably rank with the woolsey fire for five years ago, which devastated the other side of of malibu. but this is part of this massive palisades fire that remains uncontained. we were also up in, um, we were up in the canyons today where there was active fire crews really holding the line in topanga canyon to try to save this little village there. that's a sort of midway up the canyon

and very anxious locals watching nervously, but grateful that they were getting dumped from above with helicopters and fixed wing aircraft. a boots on the ground. it's all a matter of resources on where to move things around. but tonight it's so eerie. here. laura. uh, without an occasional passing first responder, we've seen them from around the state of california. we saw an ambulance from las vegas recently, but there is no lights. and just this thick, acrid smoke in the air. it's just heartbreaking the way the sunset today on just utter devastation that will change the malibu coast for a very long time. >> i mean, bill, you're no stranger to seeing areas devastated by natural disasters and frankly, by war. you actually had an l.a. sheriff saying this looked like an atomic bomb had been dropped in these areas. and you just think about the pace. this has been three days and the devastation. so extensive when you are there

and just take us to this, where you're where you are and what the scope of this feels like and the likelihood to to salvage or rebuild any of it. >> that's a massive question. you know, the california coastal commission, the sensitivities about building where we are, it's you can't even imagine how they're going to tackle this right now. that's for another day. right now, it's proof of life. uh, it's it's looking for actual, you know, maybe proof of fatalities in some cases confirming the worst. that is going to take a long time because the fire is still not contained. uh, what was happening up in the palisades? we last night was gobsmacking compared to what i've seen in lahaina to paradise. but 9000 buildings, they're estimating just from this one fire. this doesn't even count the poor folks up in altadena. what's

going on there? uh, so it's hard to say. and this, of course, is the result of an overheating planet drought, a huge fuel load that was built by this whiplash of too much water last year. not enough in recent months now. and the world just not being built for that. first responders not being built for for that, you know, hydrant systems not being built for this new reality. so these are really, really, really painful lessons in real time. and i think people are figuring it out in real time. >> it's ongoing for so many bill weir thank you so much for bearing witness. i, i hear you, bill. we're going to come back to you bearing witness to this excruciating moment on the west coast. let's hear from more. the fury of these wildfires in the los angeles area look like something out of a horror movie. my next guest, unfortunately, is playing a starring role, something that he's frankly used to as an actor. but this harrowing experience is just it's all too

real. watch. >> so i'm still hiding behind the boulders. the sparks coming. so i have to duck behind these rocks. i'm ready to jump into the ocean. all the firemen, they got the hell out of here. they evacuated quickly, and i should have followed suit. right now, i'm here, and, uh, phone doesn't really work. no one knows where the hell i am. >> thankfully, he is with us tonight. sebastian harrison and his wife, olivia pillman. join me now. just watching that moment, sebastian, your heart just sinks, hoping that you're okay. and thank goodness that you're both here. sebastian. following the evacuation orders, you decided to go back to your home, your sanctuary, to do everything you could to try to protect it. and when the fire began to spread in your direction, can you tell us what you tried to do? >> you know, oftentimes when we get an evacuation order, it's a

little bit my mind. it's a little bit premature. and unfortunately, i've been through this a couple of times. so and i've seen a lot of my friends and even family that they have stayed behind when they've been evacuated and they've been able to put out fires, small fires coming from flying embers from even, you know, hundreds of yards or miles away. so that was my initial intent, if that were to happen. but, you know, you always have to have a plan b, so if it's a whole mountain of or a curtain of fire and you begin to leave. so when i saw that there was a curtain of fire, i left. but i went across the street and my plan b was, i'm going to see if it goes through the property and perhaps, maybe a structure or two is still survive. it's going to survive because my father lives next to me. he had he had five structures. we had seven. and, you know, i thought maybe i'll be able to put out one if it goes through. the problem is, at a certain point i saw the

the fire trucks just quickly leave and i thought, oh, that's not a good sign. so i tried to get my car wouldn't start, and i got back out and i saw just this, this whole, uh, hurricane of embers going toward me. and i thought, you know, i'm doomed. so i started heading down by the ocean where there's big boulders. and unfortunately, i couldn't see because there was embers and smoke and clouds and flying debris and all sorts of, you know, things flying in the air. so i was covering my head. i fell down, hurt myself a little bit. um, but i was eventually able to hide behind some boulders. and these messages that you heard from before were all messages that i was trying to send to my my wife, olivia, who she had no clue where i was. we hadn't been in contact for two hours, two hours, but i was sending her messages on whatsapp. but they didn't go through. but, um, yeah, i pushed the hold on. >> i mean, i can't imagine what

you were feeling just knowing that he was trying to give these messages to you. you could not reach, you know, your your love. what what were you thinking when you saw these? when you were sitting here having him describe it? >> you know, i was, uh. i lost him at 430, you know, we we couldn't get back in with the car, so i was parked on pch, where they stopped the traffic and. and his son was in the fire. so the mother of his son called him and said, i see the flames coming up on the property. help roman out. just help. just come. so i looked at him and i. i pushed him. i said, you go get get everyone out. i'm going to stay behind. and so this was at 430 in the afternoon on, on tuesday. and the next thing i know is his father and his stepmom, you know, they got out safely. so i drove them to a safe location, you know, because they were

just also not making any clear thinking. and it was just very everything happened very quickly, you know? so then i came back at 530 and i had no, no idea where he was, you know, and i kept calling him, calling him. the phone was not going through. and then and then at 630, i received this video message that i think, i think you guys see and saying that our property is burning on fire and he's on the other side of the road, uh, on the ocean side. and that was my last message from him. and then i tried to call him right away. i said, get out, get out. just get out. you know, and i couldn't reach him, you know? so i was standing on near the gas station near dukes, and i was praying, you know, i didn't know what was going on. i didn't know what to do. i just hoped for the best first. and hour, an hour went by and i

still never. i kept calling him, you know. and then i called 911 and i said, please go check on my husband because he's at this address. i know that he's there. i had a message from him and i begged, you know, the fire department. i said, please, please just go and check on him. you know, he's he's he's there somewhere around, you know, and then an hour and a half went by, no message. and so i was panicking. >> of course. i mean, i can't imagine that what that would have felt like to, to be trying to reach him and sebastian on your end, trying knowing that she was looking for you and wondering where you were. and then you mentioned you have your father, who also had structures near your property. you you actually helped to evacuate him. he's he's 89 years young. how is he? no one knows where the hell i am. >> you know, i he was saying how happy he is that he's going to spend his last years, good years of his life. you

know, he's he's very, um, pragmatic valley. he bought a new tv, 95 screen, inch screen tv. so i'm happy to be here. i don't want to go anyplace. i'll just watch tv. and he was, you know, content. >> so when he received this message from from the mother of his, his son, come that she literally said that the flames are coming at are at me, and you need to rescue your son. so i called his dad and i said, richard, you need to get out. and he said, no, i'm fine. wow. i'm okay. you know, there's nothing here. and he was so calm and he said, just come be with us and come. i'm watching tv. and i said, richard, you need to get out. you need to get out. and he he said, no. >> he said, we'll talk about it. come, we'll talk about it, you know. >> so the first thing i did, i called 911 and i called, i called 911. and i told them, please go to this address. you need to rescue these two people. you know, um, yeah. uh, and basically i'm staying right here they they were able to send the

police, and i tried to rescue them as well because i couldn't get back. so i told the police, like, you need to rescue six people. you know, we had some of our tenants from the on the property, you know, who stayed behind. and and they tried to leave also. so it was just a in a brief moment, you know, everything happened so quickly. i tried to help from, from this side of the road, but i couldn't get back in, you know. and so i did everything that i could. i after 90 minutes not hearing from sebastian, i, i saw the sheriff, you know, and i ran up to them, you know, they were at the gas station and i said, i'm sorry, guys, i need your help. like, my husband is there and you need to rescue him. and this is how it looks like. i showed a picture and i said, i'm 100% sure he's in. this was the last message. please go find him. and they said no. everybody laughed. it's impossible. and i said, no, no, no. i know for a fact he's very stubborn. you know, he he tried to, you know, i mean, he tried to it was possible because i'm so glad to see the two of you

together right now, knowing that, sebastian, you are back with olivia and your father and your family is safe. >> because what you've described tonight, i can only imagine multiplying it by every person in your area who was experiencing something similar. i'm just so glad that you're both okay, and we are just praying for the very best for the community. sebastian harrison, olivia pillman, thank you both so much. yes, thank you. i want to get an update now from los angeles fire department public information officer, captain adam van gerpen. thank you so much for being here. captain. we are hearing stories of families separated, trying to get back together, not knowing where their property was or one another. and i know that firefighters are racing to contain even a new wildfire that's threatening homes now near calabasas. the kenneth fire, as it's called. we're hearing reports of this fire being investigated as an arson case. what do you know? >> so yeah, we i'm out of the

palisades fire right now, but we do know with the kenneth fire, it had a very rapid growth rate. so right now, the forward progress of the kenneth fire has been stopped. but at our palisades fire, we're just at under 20 000 acres. we have about 2300 firefighters on scene. and yeah, the stories that that you're talking about, about people who are looking for family members, i can say i was on scene from the very beginning of this incident, and we this fire was happening so fast. it was so erratic. we had winds 90 miles an hour, up to 99. we it was very erratic and at times our number one priority is, is life safety. so as your viewer was describing, you know, we our firefighters were putting people inside fire engines. myself personally, i saw somebody walking in the in the blackout smoke conditions carrying her two cats. i put them in my my pio vehicle. so you know what what you're what they're

being described as is something that we are seeing all over this fire. this was a very erratic fire. >> i have to wonder emotionally what it's like for you. obviously, you have confronted blazes before you were a captain, but the emotional devastation must be so extreme. given the scope of this, what is it like to see people in such desperation? >> well, and we're just at the beginning stages of this. so, you know, people are when something like this happens, something tragic like this, the number one priority is life safety. so we send out alerts early. we pre-deploy, we have fire companies ready to go. we knew this was going to be a wind event. we were putting warnings out. but i don't think anybody could have predicted these these 99 mile an hour winds. and you know how erratic this was. we're used to having santa ana wind conditions out here. this is something that we trained for. this is something that we have on a regular basis. but how erratic these were with the winds changing

conditions, people had only minutes to get out. and that's that's what makes this fire very unique. >> so what is your most pressing need right now? i mean, there's been a brief reprieve from those harrowing winds, but they're starting to pick back up. we're warning about, um, what is the most pressing need right now to try to confront it? >> well, right now, we're still under extreme fire conditions, so we have a red flag warning until 6:00 tomorrow. so we're through the worst of it. but, you know, even though we had a lull and that's when we have a lull like this, it's not a time for people to relax and for people to not be vigilant and not be paying attention, because while we had this break in our extreme wind, we had we had multiple other fires break out. i'm hearing reports right now of another one going on in the valley. so even when we have these breaks and wind, uh, this is still under a red flag. extreme weather conditions. >> do you feel like you have? i know there are firefighters coming from other parts of the country as well, but do you

feel like you have the resources to be able to confront what's happening? i mean, obviously the wind is an extraordinary impediment and the erratic nature of the fire and the flames. but are you hindered in any way in your resources, being able to fight these fires? >> well, right now we have about 2300 firefighters just at the palisades fire. so we have firefighters coming in from all over the state. we have we have fixed wing aircraft available to us. we have our helicopters. and right now, you know, the forward progress of this fire. we're we're hitting hotspots. we're making sure that this doesn't spread and that if we do have another wind event or flare up, that we're able to quickly respond. so right now we you know, we still have resources coming in and we're going to be on this fire for for a long time. still. and, you know, this is still we're only 6% contained on this fire at the at the palisades fire is that range is that range? >> i mean, i'm trying to get a sense of i mean, earlier there was zero containment. where day

three in. i mean, are you yourself shocked that the containment is taking so long? >> no, this is because of how widespread this is, because of how many structures have been lost, 6%. that's. and we're still under red flag conditions. so we'll start to see an increase in the containment numbers after our red flag conditions are over. and then we're going to have to be prepared because we're hearing some weather reports from a national weather service that there might be some more red flag conditions coming up next week. so that's this. this fire is far from over. and, you know, the containment numbers means that we have completely down to the soil, that there is no embers, no possibility of a rekindle. so, my god, it's going to be it's going to be some time before we have 100% containment. >> adam van gerpen, please stay safe. thank you for what you're doing. thank you. still ahead tonight, widespread destruction across los angeles county. as local officials warn evacuees that it's still too

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the evacuation order is lifted. what are you seeing there tonight? >> yeah, laura, there's a lot of desperation right now. we're seeing a big difference between last night and tonight. just in the last 24 hours, we're in pretty much the same neighborhood where we spoke to you. just one night ago. but now the roadblocks are enforced pretty heavily. so we saw a lot of people trying to come into the area to try and see their homes. they're really not letting people through unless it's very extreme circumstances. and so we are seeing very, very quiet streets now, especially because the fire has moved on past this area. there are no flames to be seen. it is just completely gutted streets here. and we're now hearing, of course, of those devastating stories of people who have realized their loved ones have died here in this fire, including one woman who told the washington post that her father was an amputee who used a wheelchair, and he was found next to the bed of

his son, who had cerebral palsy. she said that her father would have never left his side, and they were found together like that. laura. >> oh my god, that's just an unbelievable story to think about. the choices people were having to make. and and just the thought of people perishing that way. and we can't forget. i know you have been out there. you've been reporting and people forget this is also you live in the l.a. metro area. natasha, this is not just a story. this is your home. what is it like for you and what have you heard from people that you know? >> yeah, this is really unprecedented for such a large metro area where you have all these fires so large coming in from all sides, really the west coast by the ocean here in the northeast. and then you had the hollywood hills last night. and now even further north. so you have a lot of people in this metro area where it feels as if

everyone knows someone who has been affected. and that happened to me today. we were covering the story from an evacuation center in pasadena, talking to people who had evacuated, and i ran into my friend. we take dance class together, and kimiko told me that she lost her house, and i had no idea. here's what she told me do you want to rebuild there? oh my gosh. >> it's so hard to say. i mean, we thought it was going to be our life long home. we thought we were never going to move. so i don't know. but it's it would be nice. but who knows? >> there are so many people like her. we actually know of 1200 people who are staying at that shelter today. but there were hundreds more like kimiko who were coming during the day just to look for resources. they're lucky enough to have somewhere to stay tonight, but they're looking for a

toothbrush. they're looking for some extra shirts. they left with just the clothes on their back in some cases, and they're looking for information. how do they even begin to comprehend the process of filing claims? they were hoping to get some answers. this is going to be a very long road ahead. laura. >> oh my god, natasha. what now for so many people and i'm just still thinking about that father not leaving his son behind. natasha chen, thank you so much. you know, as fire crews continue to battle the flames surrounding los angeles tonight, earlier today, some people did start to return to their fire ravaged neighborhoods just pure devastation. >> i've never seen anything like this before. this is the second time we've had to evacuate since i moved here ten years ago. but this just blows everything out of the water. >> i ran through these neighborhoods. i've. i've said hello to these people. these. they don't deserve this. nobody. nobody deserves this, to be honest with you. but.

this is. you can't. you can't. you can't quantify this. this is crazy. >> who has the words to try to even describe this and this devastation as it's continuing to sink in for so many people. many have been growing frustrated, to say the least, with city leaders for what they say was a lack of preparation and mismanagement ahead of these wildfires. and a lot of that wrath is directed at the l.a. mayor, karen bass, who did earlier today, promise accountability. >> when we are safe, when lives have been saved and homes have been saved, we will absolutely do an evaluation to look at what worked, what didn't work, and to correct or to hold accountable anybody. department, individual, et cetera. but my focus right now is on the lives and on the homes. >> well, joining me now, los angeles city councilwoman traci park. thank you, councilwoman. i can't imagine what it's like

to see your communities suffering in this way. what would you like to say to your fellow angelenos who are frustrated about how the city has handled these fires? >> um, thank you for that and for having me this evening. you know, as the l.a. city council member who represents the pacific these last several days have been horrifying, terrifying and traumatic. um, the scene on the ground is apocalyptic. these aren't just my constituents. these are also my friends and my neighbors. and i do hear their frustrations loud and clear. and in many circumstances here, they're not wrong about this. you know, the pacific palisades is in the very high fire severity zone. this is a community that is no

stranger to fires. we have similar problems when we have these instances. for example, we already know that when we have a fire event, our communication systems go down. we already know that it's difficult to communicate evacuation and other orders to people when those systems are down. we know that there are particular bottlenecks when it comes to evacuating. and so to see those same issues repeat in what has now become the most devastating disaster in los angeles history is incredibly frustrating, and it is indicative of chronic underinvestment in critical infrastructure as well as in public safety. for example, at the l.a. fire department, we have the same number of fire stations and firefighters that we had 50, 60 years ago. but

our calls for service have tripled. we have, uh, about 100 fire engines and ambulances sitting at the maintenance yard because there aren't enough mechanics to fix them. during last year's budget, i fought to retain those positions, and i was successful in doing so. but it's only a drop in the bucket. just in late december, we received a standards of cover report in which chief crowley indicated we're not prepared for major emergency events. we know from that report that in many cases, we are so understaffed that our response times are twice the national standards. we also know from that report that the city of los angeles needs at least 62 new fire stations to serve our average daily demand. the strains and the underinvestment in our public safety in los

angeles is absolutely untenable. and so i think that our residents and constituents are right to be angry. i am glad to hear mayor bass's commitment to accountability. i have committed to my constituents that once these fires are out and we've stabilized the area, we will convene as many top leaders and as many town halls as it takes to get residents the answers they deserve about what happened here. >> well, councilman, i know we have to go, but it just begs the question, if all of this was known before in a report and beyond, then why would a listening session do anything to placate the residents who will be frustrated that nothing was done about what was known? >> well, you know, they have the right to have answers from their local government, but we're also going to have to put a lot of resources into what is inevitably going to be a very long road to recovery and

rebuilding. i have thousands of constituents now who don't have homes, who are going to have to begin the process of replacing critical documents, filing insurance claims, and they are going to need all layers of government on hand to help us through this process. and i think making those resources available, as well as leadership to answer questions so we can diagnose where did things go wrong. and as we rebuild, how do we prevent this from ever happening again? how do we incorporate infrastructure that can support a community like this? >> we'll have to see how this all plays out. their frustration palpable and the flames continuing. traci park. thank you so much, councilman, for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> much more ahead tonight, including a rabbi who lost his home and whose kids have lost their school. he's standing by to share his story. and later, a closer look at what firefighters are facing on the

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today it looks like this. ash with only some of the brick walls even still standing. rabbi sher of kehillat israel joins me now. rabbi, thank you for being with us. i can't imagine what it's been like to try to guide and lead your faith community, knowing the devastation. it's not. it's just not your home that's gone. but two other rabbis in your synagogue, they've also lost their homes. how is your community doing tonight? >> you know, i hundreds of members of our community lost their homes. and when you talk to people on one is one of the worst days of their life. and each call is the worst day of someone's life. while you, on the other end of the phone, are having one of the worst days of your life, it might sound like it's too much to bear, but what we have found is that

there is something incredibly powerful about how you show up for people you love when you're in pain, and everyone is simultaneously feeling that pain and also trying to show up for their community. there's a sense of true care and compassion when they ask, how are you? what about your home while also holding back those tears and i've been in so many of these homes, i've hung sacred jewish items of the mezuzah on their doorpost. i've. i've said blessings in their dining rooms. our kids have played together. this is a true community. and when. when something like this happens, there's no manual, there's no instructions, there's no how we should be coping with it. because devastation at this vast level is unfathomable. and and yet our tradition still has

answers for it. >> i, i wonder, i wonder for you when the reality and of of of all this is, is setting in. i mean, just the i'm struck by the community, the spirit, the the empathy is shared even in spite of one's own personal struggle. but is it hitting you yet the devastation, the devastation comes in waves and it's going to the way we grieve as people comes in waves. >> we don't get to tuck each piece into a nice little box and move forward. we have to be okay with waves. i i've cried a hundred times and at 230 in the morning my daughter woke up with an ear infection last night, and my wife and i decided i would go to the store to get the motrin, which is fine. that's that's parenting. but when i'm at the store, a ten minute drive because it's two in the morning, i broke down and cried because a day

earlier that motrin was 20 steps from my bed, and it's going to hit in those kind of waves. and that's just part of the experience that we're going to go through. and all of us going through that together is going to both make us mend stronger. but it's it's not going to in authenticate any of our own experiences, the way we pray for healing in our tradition is actually a communal prayer. it's not a prayer of healing, it's a prayer of community. and we use that prayer to focus on the idea of healing those in our lives who are in need of healing, healing works best when we're healing as a community. and so even though we're not ready for that comment, and i truly am getting ahead of myself by saying it, we know that that's going to happen. and so many of these people, when i asked, how are you? what happened with your home? they they would, they would, they would say, the home is gone. but what about our

synagogue? and when we were able to say the synagogue still stands, you heard the first audible breath that they took, and it was powerful, unbelievably poignant. >> thank you so much, rabbi daniel sher, thank you so much. it's devastating to think about even the little details that the rabbi described as a parent and what it's like to think about the children are watching us as adults, wondering how they should feel about something and will unbelievably heavy to think about the consequences of this. and up next, shining a light on the unsung heroes of this disaster, the brave firefighters who have been working literally around the clock, many facing unprecedented conditions with no signs of any relief coming any time soon. a closer look at what they themselves are facing next.

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>> the making of a legend premieres january 25th on cnn. >> the firefighters in los angeles have been dealing with unimaginable conditions since the pacific palisades fire broke out on tuesday morning. the l.a. county fire union telling cnn that many have been working nonstop, carrying up to 100 pounds of gear. some of these men and women have been on the job for 40 to 48 hours before they were sent to the initial fire, and many stayed on duty for another 24 to 48 hours until additional crews were able to arrive. anderson cooper was on the front lines of the pacific palisades fire, with california fire earlier today. >> you've had at least two helicopters dropping water just on that spot fire, but that has restarted, so they're going to have to try to bring in more assets. other thing i want to point out, you have fire crews on that ridgeline. those are

they're wearing orange uniforms. those are inmates who are volunteers who have volunteered to learn firefighting skills. they are playing an integral role here as well. i mean, it is all hands on deck. >> joining us now to talk about the firefight, private wildland firefighter ryan bellanca. ryan, can you tell us about the conditions that these firefighters are going through right now? >> oh, gosh. these guys are definitely pushing the limits of their, um, their abilities at this point. i think that more reinforcements on their way are going to really help with all of this. >> do you think that cal fire was caught flat footed here? >> well, you know, we're in a down, dry time. there's not a lot of fire that goes along. uh, in california, even though it has become year round, a lot of folks are not brought on with cal fire until sometime in may. um, to really up the bolster the numbers. so i don't think they're caught flat footed. i think that we're just in a time that's usually

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