reputation about being perceived to be politically, um, outcome oriented. and i think if they had stepped in, abby, as you suggest, that's the perception that would have taken over. i think it's they can always step in later. >> and that's when they're supposed to step in. you know, the sentencing closes out the conviction. so until your sentence you can't you can't appeal anyway. that's when ordinarily that's right. >> the problem is immunity is a is a special category that allows for an interlocutory appeal. >> special categories here that trump is entitled, that trump is entitled to. >> but the problem here is that the trial has already happened. yeah. so there's really no way to go back. >> i mean, i think again it's time to let's move forward. he's appealing and it's going to make a little bit more noise, but it's going to settle down. in four years from now, there'll be a decision made after he's out of

>> this is cnn breaking news. >> good evening and welcome to laura coates live. truly exhausted firefighters are in their now fourth day of battling out-of-control blazes in los angeles. right now. six wildfires are still burning across the county. you're looking at one of the worst the palisades fire. well, tonight, a new evacuation order is in place, extending to one of the city's busiest freeways and the iconic getty center. it's been an all out effort to stop the rapid spread and to try, try to prevent more destruction. but as you can see, the damage already done is truly staggering. at least 10,000 properties have been destroyed completely. now, the

question on everyone's mind how could this have happened? well, it's time someone began to answer it. california governor gavin newsom is ordering an investigation into what caused some hydrants to run dry early on, and the l.a. fire chief is calling out the city for cutting her department's budget by $17 million. >> the fire department needs help. we can no longer sustain where we are. we do not have enough firefighters. and i warned i rang the bell, that these additional cuts could be very, very devastating for our ability to provide public safety. >> well, as fingers are pointing in several directions, we're learning tonight that l.a. mayor karen bass had a meeting with the fire chief. after those comments, and we don't know what was said to be a fly on the wall in that room. but the mayor's office is denying a report that she is

fired. that. chief. let's go to cnn's nick watt, who's in pacific palisades. nick, a new evacuation order we learned in effect in the palisades fire. can you tell us what you know tonight? >> yeah. so, laura, i'm standing on sunset boulevard in palisades village. i can see the flames that are causing the problem right now. they are going up over the santa monica mountains into the san fernando valley. by the looks of things. but here's the good news. that plume. huge plume of smoke coming off that fire is going straight up in the air. which means that there's not a lot of wind. and that is great news. now, during the lull in the wind today, i can only imagine that the firefighters were using their bulldozers to dig lines, fire lines to try and contain the fire. and if there's not much wind, hopefully they can hold those lines because, you know, the wind won't be blowing embers over the lines. but i've got to say, in the past ten minutes or so, we have seen half a dozen, a dozen fire

trucks just booking it past us. i'm assuming they're going to head down sunset boulevard onto the 405, which, as you mentioned, is that huge freeway that runs north south. so the evacuation zones are now up to the side of the 405. so i imagine they are going round to try and contain that fire over there. you know, the winds are going to be gentle overnight, which is just the best news you can possibly have. because remember, when the winds are low, you can also attack these flames from the air. that was the crucial thing in the early hours and days of this fire here in the palisades. the wind was so strong they couldn't get anything up in the air, fixed wing or helicopters to drop water and retardant on these flames. so fingers crossed. listen, these are about the best conditions i've seen in the past few days for fighting a fire. so hopefully they can get a handle on that before it gets over into encino. before it gets any further that way. but yeah, you're right. in the past hour or so, the evacuation

orders have been extended. um, i mean, it's it's still not over. laura. >> really. it's it's hard to find the words, nick, when you think about the major artery of the 405, for example, in that area, the idea of the scope and the spread of this and these fire lines, so important to try to avoid it from jumping yet again as the first couple hours it did. we're learning about governor gavin newsom, and he apparently is ordering an independent investigation into the wildfire water supply. can you give us more of the backstory behind this call to do this investigation yeah. >> so at the peak of the fires, 3 a.m., uh, that first night, the fire hydrants here in pacific palisades ran dry. you could hear it on, on on the radio comms between the firefighters that there just wasn't any water. and the problem is, palisades is at the end of the city water supply. so the pipes are narrower, the pressure is

lower. so they have these huge storage tanks up in the hills, 3 million gallons that are supposed to keep those hydrants pressurized and keep them flowing. but they just couldn't refill those tanks. and, you know, listen, it was bad for sure that they didn't have the water. but you've got to wonder if they had all the water in the world. could they have really fought these fires? because, you know, the other issue you were talking earlier just a couple of minutes ago about fire chief crowley here in l.a. you know, she's saying that they just didn't have the manpower. they don't have the people. partly, she says, because of the budget cuts, they don't have the people to fight the fires. she said they also didn't have the people because of budgets to go around and inspect and make sure that people were cutting back that brush, which is mandatory. they didn't have the people to do that. so mayor bass, the the fire chief, as you say, i would have loved to have been in that room to hear their

meeting. >> absolutely. and again, this this letter from officer of the governor wanting to have the l.a. department of water, as well as the l.a. county officials, to conduct this investigation. no timeline has been set. but as swift preparation of a comprehensive review examining the local preparation, a lot of questions unanswered and fires still blazing. nick watt, thank you so much. >> no problem. >> you know, when the evacuation orders went into effect on just tuesday? and again, i cannot believe this started on tuesday and all that has happened since then. there were many people who heeded those calls to evacuate, but not my next guest. and perhaps thankfully, because instead of fleeing for safety, he gathered the courage to stay along with dozens of his workers. together, they jumped right into action. they worked tirelessly to try to try to save as many homes as possible.

>> so if you go look, look over that wall right there. i know, dude, i know we just got to get a hose on it. it'll slow down. but it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. just relax. relax. you go that way through. >> oh, yeah. >> it's no dude. this is no. yeah if we could get one more hose over here, it'd be good. hey. especially on that other side. brian, can we get a little bit of water over here real quick yep. and just on that corner, walk through. i'll come behind you. that on fire right there. it's going to catch the house.

a little bit more hose over here. >> this is like david and goliath in action. watching you guys just try to do anything you can. i've got lifelong pacific palisades resident and contractor chuck hart, who joins me now. chuck. my god, watching you guys just try to fight what looks like a relentless fire against all costs. the fire is quickly closing in. i understand you were at your neighbor's house who you've known your entire life. what? what happened? okay. >> it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. >> um, i was in town, uh, actually, at a job site over in rustic canyon, and i got a phone call from a buddy of mine, ryan mooneyham. and, uh, he said, hey, you know what? i think there's a fire burning up by your mom's house. within two seconds of that phone call, my mom was on call waiting, i clicked over, she's like, chuck, i can smell fire. i'm really worried. i said, mom, i'm coming right now. i ran over to my house. um, i am a contractor, so i happen to have a bunch of fire hose. uh,

luckily, a wrench and the key for the hydrant and reducers. i grabbed all that stuff, threw everything in my truck, raced up the hill, and, um, i was really blown away because this happened a few months back, or maybe a year ago. my time is not so good. we had another big scare with fires up there, but the wind was so crazy this time it went from villa floresta. so this is basically you drive up avenida, you go up via floresta, drop down onto lockman lane and go up to sharmell, where my mom lives. the time it took for me to go from villa floresta to get to my mom's house, there was a huge fire in my mom's yard and on the other side of the canyon behind my neighbors, joan and um, matt and kaitlyn. um, and again, i grew up in this house. my, my mom and dad moved into this house in 1969. uh, they lived down on via de la paz before that forever. and it just watching this thing take off. it was the second we get water somewhere, we'd get that

put out. you'd look across. and then there was two other places that were already on fire, and it happened. it just kept popping off one place after the next after the next. this little video you're looking at right here is on the canyon on the other side of casa, um, which i used to run through to go over to my buddy's house at vista grande, the day cordova's house. uh, we would drop down and cross over this. the fire had literally engulfed this entire canyon right there and was coming up underneath. uh, scott, one of my neighbors houses right up under the eaves. we got over there and it hit a palm tree and or a pine tree. and when the heat comes off of this thing, it's it's i don't have any i don't have any firefighting gear on. it's just blasting you in the eyes. it's crazy. and so the smoke, the ash, the embers, the steam from the water, everything, it's it's intense. >> my heart is is racing. just even at the thought of, god forbid, my son, um, calling my son to tell him i'm afraid. and having him come to save the

house. and you were actually able to save your mom's house. an apartment building across from from your own home as well. but we're hearing you talk throughout this video, and i have to tell you the stress that you must have been under to keep yourself grounded to to direct and guide all of you guys just coming together. what was that like to even try to stay focused enough, knowing how emotional this really must be? >> all the, um, i didn't feel overly emotional at that time at all. >> uh, and i certainly was not expecting what was happening in downtown later on, or any of that stuff down by my house or everywhere else in the palisades to occur. so it wasn't really an emotional thing. um, i would say it's more like i work really well under pressure for my job or just the purposes of focusing in my own life. i do really well there, so i didn't feel really emotional about that. i

felt really connected and engaged. >> um, but what happened when the adrenaline stopped? >> it hasn't. and i guess it has. maybe about a day and a half ago. and i just burst into tears. and it happened again this afternoon. i'm here with a buddy of mine, elton, and, uh, we just stopped to talk for a minute and and when you're um, when you don't think about it as much and you're just busy, it doesn't bother me. i usually that's how i kind of move around through my life in general. i just try to do the next indicated right action and stay out of stuff. that makes me sad, or maybe even feel depressed because i just. i want to be of maximum service to the people around me. i want to be engaged and i want to be in action. um, i feel better, uh, doing that. and so, you know, a lot of guys that are around me that are in my life, not just at work for me, but that i'm involved with, you know, trust god, clean house, help other people. and when i'm on that mission, which i

try to stay on all the time, everything's working out. um, i'm really happy. i feel really lucky to have the proper gear prepared myself to know what to do, uh, and to just be with a crew big enough to be able to jump on and actually make a positive. effect. and, uh, and handle it, you know, to the best of our ability. >> i mean, the seeing the images from where we are pacific palisades it is more than like your lifelong residence. i mean, this has been your family's home for four generations. i understand, and i, i want viewers to see the moment that you saw this fire destroy the church, that your great grandfather founded. uh.

can you talk about. oh, chuck, i'm sorry. chuck, what are you feeling right now? what are you. what's going through your mind? fallen trees. >> that doesn't feel good. >> guys standing around. all they do is get some water on it. >> i'll tell you what. i feel like i was there earlier and i understand there's a lot of stuff going on. if we had some water. i know for a fact 100% that would not have happened. and i drove around back. i'm not a professional firefighter. i was watching these winds whipped flames up onto my mom's house,

and i sprayed some chemical on there and it didn't catch, and it was so hot. so i figured there was enough distance between the back of the church and these apartment buildings and the place next door that it wasn't possibly going to catch. i had yelled to talk to some firefighters. they said they'd throw some water from the tank on it, and everybody's so busy. everything's so crazy. it's just, you know, um, the bottom line is there was no water and i just, i thought that it was going to be okay. and i really, really wish i would have grabbed this book out of the, um, the sanctuary, uh, the big the big bible up on the, uh, pulpit. and then the founder's book. that's in a glass case. it was in a glass case, and this nice little thing, but. i, uh, i didn't want to break the church's front door out, and my key card wasn't working on the other side, and i just. it didn't happen. i didn't get it. and it doesn't matter. you

know, this, it's just whatever it is, it is what it is. >> you are safe. the work that has been done and the generations that have been impacted by your great grandfather's decision to found that will never change. ever. >> yeah, yeah, we're going to we're going to make a new church. uh, there will be the old church with the same quirky people i love so much that go there. uh, and it's it's going to be great. it's just going to it's just going to take a minute. yeah. yeah. uh, i love the people i go to church with. sometimes i walk in and i just. i look at them. i've known them my entire life, and, uh, you know, it reminds me i'm involved in another program. it's. we're just people that normally wouldn't mix. but in the house of god, we all come together and we're all part of

the community. and, uh. and i just love these folks so much. and we're all so different, and we're all going to come back together. and it's it's going to it's going to be good. it's going to be good. it's just going to take a minute to get there. and uh, you know, um, god's whole gift to service with purpose is work. so, hey, guess what? we just got a lot of work to do. and, uh, and that's what we're going to do. we're going to work. i mean, it's it's all work. we're just going to get we're going to get busy. >> well, let me tell you something. i know there has been a gofundme page that's been set up to help sustain labor costs as well. and, um, i gotta tell you, it's so moving to hear the optimism and the resilience that you are showing. it gives so many people hope. jack. thank you. >> and just so you guys know, that money is not for me at all. it's just i've already burned through all my

cash, keeping my guys going and all the equipment and materials and everything else. i just it just it just would help me continue doing what we're doing. um, you know, normally i'm not like, a gofundme fan, although i will throw some money at it for certain things if you guys want to. great. if you don't. hey, i get it. uh, but, um, you know, thank you, and thanks for the opportunity, chuck. >> heart. thank you so much. i'm sorry we met this way. thank you. so far, we know at least 11 people have died from these fires. now we're learning who they are. victor shaw was 66 years old. he died defending his altadena home and was found with a fire hose in his hand. neighbors say the house had huge significance for him, and it had been in the family for nearly 55 years. rodney nickerson lived just a short walk from victor shaw

home. rodney lived in his house for more than 50 years. he raised his two children there. the last comment to his daughter, i'll be here tomorrow. he was 82 years old. arlene kelly, she was 83. she didn't evacuate from her home in altadena with the rest of her family. she told them it's in god's hands. she lived in her house for more than 40 years. people nearby called her the perfect neighbor. annette rossilli. she was 85. she was encouraged to evacuate her pacific palisades home, but stayed behind with her pets. her dog greatly her canary pepper her two parrots and a turtle. anthony mitchell was 67, and his son justin was in his 20s. anthony was an amputee who used a wheelchair, and his son

justin suffered from cerebral palsy. on wednesday morning, anthony was speaking with his daughter in arkansas when he told her he had to go because the fire was in the yard of their altadena home. he was later found by justin's bed. their families believe that anthony was trying to save his son, saying he would not have left justin behind no matter what. still ahead tonight, a live update from the l.a. fire department on that new palisades fire hot spot, forcing new evacuations. plus, it's a difference maker in the aerial fight to contain the fires. the so-called super scooper. we have one live for you tonight with an expert standing by to explain just how important it is. >> kobe believed in himself at the

youngest possible age. >> people who may never even know what a basketball looks like felt his presence. >> he wants the opportunity to make his own mistakes. he's going to end up making them. >> that's when the black mamba was born. >> it's one of the most remarkable stories in sports history. >> i don't want to be remembered as just the basketball player. >> kobe. the making of a legend premieres january 25th on cnn. >> sophie is helping me get my money right to achieve my ambitions. plus, i'm investing in my game. so if i can help fund all your ambitions, no matter how ambitious. bank with sophie to score a higher apy and an epic welcome bonus. it you ready for this? >> are you ready for this new alka-seltzer plus cold or flu fizzy chews? >> shou chew fizz. feel better fast. no water needed. new alka-seltzer plus fit juice. >> believe it or not, baby. >> at university of phoenix,

you you you you could earn your masters for under 11,000. >> you yes, 11 master's degree for under 11 k in less than a year. >> some things are too obvious to be a coincidence. earn your competency based masters at university of phoenix. >> how did i ever miss this? >> before you were preventing migraine with ellipta. you'll never truly forget migraine, but ellipta reduces attacks, making zero migraine days possible. it's approved to prevent migraine to help give you that forget you get migraine feeling. don't take if allergic to schlep to get help right away for serious allergic reactions like trouble breathing face, lip or tongue swelling, itching or rash, which may occur when taking ellipta or days after. common side effects include nausea, constipation, and sleepiness. learn how abbvie could help you save up to the forget you get migraine medicine. that's monopoly. >> go, chris. are kiki ready?

>> tycoons? it's go time. cash grab kiki i won again. oh, daddy, will be back soon oh, we're swimming in it now. rent's due. >> little. >> nothing beats playing with friends except bankrupting friends. >> give it to me. >> i'll start the bidding at $5 million. >> robinhood gold members get a 3% ira match, while the wealthy hoard their perks. >> our retirement contributions are boosted by 3%. now, with robinhood gold. >> my accountant who uses unsecured email, has all my tax info. >> fraudulent tax returns due to identity theft increased by 20% last year. that's why lifelock monitors millions of data points for identity theft. lifelock for the threats. you can't control prime's exclusive wild card playoff game is coming. >> the steelers, the ravens,

they're a prime super bowl contender. >> what a night front exclus ♪ ♪ with so much great entertainment out there... wouldn't it be easier if you could find what you want, all in one place? my favorites. get xfinity streamsaver with netflix, apple tv+, and peacock included, for only $15 a month.

again, nine tablets for just $7 is try friday plans.com. >> i'm anderson cooper in altadena, california. this is cnn. >> at this hour. there's a new evacuation order issued in the palisades fire and it's near one of the busiest freeways in los angeles. if you look at the screen here on your left, you see this little icon that shows you the map where it says palisades fire right there above the indication for the getty villa just west of beverly hills. this particular fire you're seeing on the right is right there. there's a line, if you see, between the palisades fire to the indicators for beverly hills and beyond, that's the 405 that major freeway in los angeles where nick watt was explaining to us the fire. they're hoping not to jump and extend even further. i want to go right to the l.a. fire

department. public information officer, captain adam van gerpen. adam, thank you for being here. can you give us an update on this evacuation order and the areas that are at risk? >> yes. so right now we did issue new evacuation orders. and it's the fire is in the mandeville canyon area. so it's moving closer to the 405 freeway. this is on the east end of our fire here. so we just finished getting over our red flag conditions around 6:00. but that just goes to show people that even though we're not in these red flag extreme wind conditions, the fire can still change direction quickly. and right now it is moving fast towards the east direction of this fire. >> so how are you determining where to give the evacuation orders? what are the factors that are involved in trying to decide that. so people have an understanding of where they might be in these zones? >> well, we have a very large footprint here. we're talking to the boots on the ground. we're talking to our, uh,

incident. they're relaying that back to our incident commanders. so as we see the fire progressing and moving in towards the east, what we have to do is we reallocate our resources and we start moving them over into that direction. so we have ten aircraft in the air right now that have all been diverted to that, uh, that eastern part of this fire, as well as additional strike teams. so we have we're sending at least two additional strike teams out there. so ten more engines in addition to what's already out there. >> is that all hands on deck approach to the eastern part of that fire? is that an indication of just how significant it is to be so close to the 405? >> well, one of the fortunate things is that there's not very much wind up there. so the early stages of this fire, it was a very fast, very erratic, historic hundred mile an hour winds. so we're not having the winds up there. i've talked to some of the members who are up there and there's not this is not a wind driven fire. this is more topography. and there is a

there is a light, uh, winter wind that's up there. but we're not having the extreme conditions. so we're trying to get as many resources as we can there right now so that we can stop this from progressing any further. >> could you imagine when this began on tuesday, that it could have the potential to extend this far? >> no, i was i was working that day. i was there right when it started. and, uh, we were actually at another fire in hollywood. we saw the large plume of smoke, and we started heading over there. we knew there was going to be high winds. we're used to having santa ana wind conditions. what we're not used to is having 99 mile an hour gusts and severely erratic wind conditions. extreme fire behavior. you put out one fire and then you turn around and there's a mile, two mile ember cast, and you have new starts. so, uh, yeah, this, uh, we know that there was a potential for a large fire, but nothing like this. >> a mile to two mile ember cast. that is unbelievable to

think about the range of what's happening. i know you have the aerial coverage. hopefully, in this wind reprieve. adam van gerpen, thank you so much. i know you're very busy at work. thank you so much. thank you. you heard the fire officials say that they are now using aircraft to try to battle these flames, something they couldn't do early on with the wind speed and beyond. and that includes what you're seeing on your screen right now. 47,000 pound plane that's known as the super scooper. and it literally it scoops up almost 1500 gallons of water to then drop on these fires. but one of those planes has now been grounded. why a drone hit it and damaged the wing. joining me now, sam davis, ceo of bridger aerospace, which provides aerial support to fight wildfires. sam, thank you for being here. i know you are mobilizing a plane to send to california. i see you have a plane behind you. can you walk

us through this unique plane? what is it capable of doing and just how important it could be in fighting a fire? >> absolutely. thank you for taking the time. and you see, one of our super scoopers behind me here in the aircraft in the hangar in bozeman, montana. we have six of these. there's ten in the u.s. total. we have the largest fleet in the u.s. these are the only purpose built aerial firefighting aircraft out there. these are giant boats on wings, as you saw from the video. they can scoop and drop water continuously on one tank of gas, one fuel cycle with 1400 gallon tanks. they can drop continuously for about 4 to 5 hours, and then one aircraft can drop hundreds of thousands of gallons of water a day. they're big machines, but they're very adept at getting into tight places. their short takeoff and landing. so they're very used to working in high mountainous terrain. some of the hills there around

palisades, and they need, you know, water sources like rivers, lakes and even the ocean. obviously, where there's an unending supply of water to go fight fires. so these are pretty special machines and one that we're happy to get down to l.a. to help support the efforts there. >> what are the hurdles when you're trying to utilize an aircraft with these erratic winds have been problematic early on, right. >> the winds do present present a problem. obviously, we have standard operating procedures where we operate only when conditions are safe, and that includes, you know, winds that don't exceed where we would operate. also, once winds get to the level of, you know, 99 miles an hour, uh, the either retardant or water drop from the skies, as you can imagine, much less effective. however, when these planes operate, they can find the windows to drop water and retardant, as you can see in the video, even at nighttime in helicopters, we

can't do nighttime operations yet in scoopers, but we'll find those windows to operate and suppress that fire. um, it's really important, as you know, with ground crews, to, to get in and control those hotspots. if embers are traveling, you know, two miles up to two miles, it's pretty important that we get in front of that fire progression. >> so, sam, i understand that super scooper was grounded, though, because a drone had damaged the wing. i mean, how dangerous looking at the size of this machine and of course, how critical it is, how dangerous are these drones that could potentially hit it? >> oh, extremely dangerous. i mean, we see that here in montana, and we all cringed because that could have cost lives, uh, in the air, on the ground. um, it is extremely important that folks that are around, um, abide by the laws. this is an extremely high penalty. and an offense for folks to be operating drones in any, any flight restricted area or the tfr over fire. so we

encourage folks every time we come in contact with them that it is not, uh, of interest to get in the way or to see the damage done when these highly trained professionals are putting their lives on the line. and we would, you know, hate to see the worst happen. and that aircraft was one out of quebec. um, you know, we're hoping that it gets operational again soon, but nobody wants to see that. we even see it in our water operations, where folks will be in, you know, boats or jet skis to get close to us and get some footage. and we cannot, you know, stress the importance of folks staying out of the way of all of these operators. >> sam davis, thank you so much. >> appreciate it. thank you. >> i mean, if you think only celebrities have been hurt by these fires, you're absolutely wrong. next, we take you to altadena. for one, family's heartbreaking loss.

>> super man, the christopher reeve story. february 2nd on slow down, honey. >> a new driver. you'll need new insurance. zebra compares over 100 insurance companies to find savings no one else can. up to $400 a year. trevor. oh, look. it's my. stop, the zebra. we do the searching, you do the saving. >> we've waited so long for this spot oh, yeah. >> shingles doesn't care. >> shingles is a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. >> we got the best seats in the house. >> she doesn't care. 99% of adults 50 years or older already have the virus that causes shingles inside them. and it can reactivate any time. >> everyone's here for my birthday. >> cute. shingles doesn't care, but shingrix protects. only shingrix has proven over 90% effective. shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. shingrix doesn't protect everyone. it isn't for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients or to a previous dose. tell your

healthcare provider if you're pregnant or breastfeeding. increased risk of guillain-barre syndrome was observed after getting shingrix. fainting can happen, so take precautions. most common side effects are pain, redness, and swelling where injected. muscle pain. tiredness, headache, shivering, fever, and upset stomach. shingles doesn't care, but shingrix protects. ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingrix today. >> i have type two diabetes, but i manage it well. it's a little pill with a big story to tell. i take once daily jardiance at each day start. >> as time went on, it was easy to see. i'm lowering my a-1c. >> and for adults with type two diabetes and known heart disease. jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death. >> two serious side effects include increased ketones in blood or you're in, which can be fatal. stop jardiance and call your doctor right away if you have nausea, vomiting, stomach pain, tiredness, trouble breathing, or increased ketones. jardiance may cause dehydration that can suddenly worsen kidney function and make

you feel dizzy, lightheaded, or weak upon standing. genital yeast infections in men and women. urinary tract infections, low blood sugar, or a rare, life threatening bacterial infection between and around the and genitals can occur. call your doctor right away if you have fever or feel weak or tired and pain, tenderness, swelling or redness in the genital area. don't use if allergic to jardiance stop use if you have a serious allergic reaction, call your doctor. if you have rash, swelling, difficulty breathing, or swallowing, you may have increased risk for lower limb loss. call your doctor right away if you have new pain or tenderness, sores, ulcers, or infection in your legs or feet. >> jardiance is really swell. the little pill with a big story to tell. >> well, you're in the big leagues now. >> how was your vacation, sir? >> well, i needed one with your 10% loyalty program discount. >> that's $225 for the night. >> not bad. >> $155 for the night. >> hold up. how? >> it's easy when you know where to look. >> trivago compares hotel prices from hundreds of sites so you can save up to 40%.

>> trivago is my secret

for 14 days. it feels like i have nothing on my face. >> this average joe doesn't know tv's most outrageous reality show is all a prank on him. >> i would eat you like a bowl of cereal. >> what have we done? >> the joe schmo show premieres january 21st on tbs welcome back to our live breaking coverage of the wildfires that are torching l.a. >> county. you know, one of the hardest hit areas is altadena, a suburb just 15 miles from downtown l.a. it's known for hiking trails and more affordable homes, and some of the communities that are surrounding it. but those homes and those neighborhoods, they are now with a thing of the past. thanks to the eaton canyon fire, the chair of the l.a. county board of supervisors today, comparing the devastation of the town to a war zone. case in point, my next guest who lost everything.

this is a picture of miyoko chipembere kneeling behind her family in front of the striking blue door of their family's home. here's that family home today. gone. the only parts that are left are some burnt through walls, just barely still standing. well, nyong'o, chipembere and her daughter shane lowry hamilton join me now. ladies, i just seeing that image. i am so sorry that you are in the midst of all that is happening. it is unbelievable to even speak about and i wonder from you if i can start with you. nyong'o, did you have any time to try to save anything from your home? >> no. >> i actually slept right through the alert. i believe it was somewhere around three at 5 a.m. i got a phone call from my brother's friend and said, you

guys have to evacuate, and. i heard the fire probably ran through my house. about an hour and a half later. >> you were there when the fire got there? >> i was. the fire was behind my house by the next block. i. um, tore through that block and then came, jumped over to ours. >> what was it like when you saw that coming and knew you had to leave? >> you know, it was so great. there was a blackout. there was smoke everywhere. i couldn't find a mask. and i was just shaking, my purse through clothes, over my pajamas and ran out the door. >> i can't imagine how how disorienting that would be. early in the morning. you're sleeping through it. unbelievable. and your daughter, shane lowry. this is the place where you grew up. you're hearing what your mother experienced. what is this meant to you? to what can only be a surreal

experience? >> it's devastating. my mom has worked so hard to build this home and make it a place of gathering and peace and refuge for everyone in our family, and to come back to this after everything she's done and everything she's already been through. it was horrible. there's no there's no words that can describe how we felt looking at what used to be our house. >> just hearing that, i mean, so many people can relate to thinking about what it means to have a home, let alone to have a refuge and a sacred space for your family and to know what has happened. i mean, everyone has been following this coverage and thinking, you know, people can just rebuild and move on simply. but i wonder if you can share

the altadena that you know, that meant so much and mean so much to your family. >> here we have a tight sense of community. um, everybody knows each other by face. we all went to high school together. um, we don't know names. we know the family name. and, uh, talk to our neighbors. i feel safe, for one thing. and that's really important. my kids are grown. i have grandchildren, but i feel safe here. um i came in my driveway, actually. now. yeah, i was going to say i came in my driveway and the lights were still out, and i just i was terrified. i didn't even want to be here. um. be there. excuse me, but just uncomfortable. i don't even know if i want to be in that space again, signore.

>> that must be difficult to hear your mother say that. >> absolutely. um, everyone has been banding together to just work through this. it's hard. um, but we're coming together. i mean, we've got friends who are, you know, going and helping friends that aren't able to get to their house, taking pictures for them to just let them know what the status is because, you know, that's such a horrible feeling, not knowing what the status is of your home. right. so that when we after we left our house, we went to a friend's house and another friend's house because we had to take pictures for them because they couldn't, they didn't have the ability to get to their home and see the status, and then to have to show someone the picture of their home after what's happened is, is such a horrible feeling to have to do that. and, you know, we're just mourning together. that's all we can do is band together, together and try to rebuild and recover from this. and, um, my

hope is that when we work together to do that, that we will successfully, um, that is my hope for our community. we're such a beautiful, lovely community that we call it beautiful altadena. and it really is beautiful. and it will be beautiful again. >> well, listen, if, if, if the love that's so apparent between your mother and you is any indication, altadena is still very beautiful. ladies. thank you. i'm so sorry. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> next he is the first president to be sentenced as a felon. but donald trump, well, he remains defiant. trump's former attorney and a former new york judge joins me next. >> so, what are you thinking? >> i'm thinking about our honeymoon. what about africa? safari? hot air balloon ride. swim with elephants. wait. can we afford a safari? great

question. like everything takes a little planning. or put the money towards a down payment on a ranch in montana with horses. let's take a look at those scenarios. >> jp morgan wealth management has advisors in chase branches and tools like wealth plan to help keep you on track when you're planning for it all. the answer is jp morgan wealth management. >> let's just take a little bit. >> know this part is never easy, but at least saving on your family's medication is prescription savings made easy? another good reason to check good rx. >> just a little bit more and you'll feel all better. >> at home. >> it's where we do the things we love with the people we love. celebrating sharing, living. so why should aging mean we have to leave that in the past? what if we live tomorrow in the same place as we did yesterday? what if we stayed home instead? with help, we

can. >> this is where i belong. home instead for a better. >> what's next? >> thinking of banking in africa. think zenith in today's fast moving, fast changing world, you need a financial partner that understands your unique expectations. a bank with presence in major financial centers across the world, with the enabling platform to facilitate seamlessly whenever wherever, however, a bank with best in class financial solutions from a superb combination of technology and human touch for easy, fast and secure banking that creates real value, turning dreams into reality is now in your hands. people technology, service. zenith bank in your best interest. look out, cause here i come. >> have you always had trouble with your weight? same. >> discover the power of wegovy

with wegovy. i lost 35 pounds and some lost over 46 pounds. >> and i'm keeping the weight off. >> i'm reducing my risk. >> wegovy is the only weight management medicine proven to reduce risk of major cardiovascular events such as death, heart attack or stroke in adults with known heart disease and obesity. >> don't use wegovy with semaglutide or glp one medicines or in children under 12. don't take if you or your family had mtc men2 or if allergic to it. tell your provider if you plan to have surgery or a procedure, are breastfeeding, pregnant, or plan to be. stop taking and get medical help right away. if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or any of these allergic reactions. serious side effects may include pancreas inflammation and gallbladder problems. call your prescriber if you have any of these symptoms. wegovy may cause low blood sugar in people with diabetes, especially if you take medicines to treat diabetes. call your prescriber about vision changes. if you feel your heart racing while at rest, or if you have mental changes, depression or thoughts of suicide may occur. common side effects include nausea,

vomiting, diarrhea, constipation, stomach pain, flu or upset headache, feeling tired, dizzy or bloated, gas and heartburn. some side effects lead to dehydration, which may cause kidney problems with wegovy. >> i'm losing weight. >> i'm keeping it off and i'm lowering my cv risk. >> wegovy. ask your prescriber about wegovy you don't stop being you just because you turn 65. >> but you do face more risk from flu and covid. >> last year alone, those viruses hospitalized nearly 1 million people 65 and older. 1 million vaccines lower your risk of getting really sick so you can keep doing you. >> i'm erin and pacific palisades, and this is cnn. >> all right, well, ten days,

ten days. now, separate us from historic moment in america when donald trump takes office once again on january 20th. but this time, he'll be the first convicted criminal to become president. that conviction. it officially became formal today when he was sentenced in the hush money case out of new york. judge juan merchan ordering no prison time, no fine, no probationary period. essentially, no punishment. but judge merchan did deliver a stern warning and message explaining the only thing stopping him from punishing trump are the legal protections from the presidency. >> ordinary citizens do not receive those legal protections. it is the office of the president that bestows those far reaching protections to the office holder. and it was the citizenry of this nation that recently decided that you should once again receive the benefits of those protections, which include, among other things, the

supremacy clause and presidential immunity. >> the judge may have had the last word in the courtroom, but trump did get his chance to say his piece, too, and he leaned into his grievances. >> it's been a political witch hunt. it was done to damage my reputation so that i would lose the election. and obviously that didn't work with me. >> now, retired new york judge george grasso, who was in court today, and former trump attorney tim parlatore. glad to have both of you here. i'll begin with you, your honor. judge mershon made a point to emphasize the impact of the office of the presidency on his decision. but for that election, knowing that he is a first time offender, so to speak, would he have faced a very different kind of punishment? >> 100%. i think he could have easily been looking at what we would call a split sentence, something like 30 days jail and three years

probation at a minimum probation. he was convicted of 34 separate felony counts. and i was in the courtroom every day. i think there was abundant evidence. having said that, i think judge merchan did the right thing here. he threaded the needle. unconditional discharge was the only possible sentence that would survive the type of challenge that went to the supreme court. as a matter of fact, it was cited in the brief supreme court decision not to stay the sentencing. the fact that the judge telegraphed there would be an unconditional discharge. so on the one hand, and i also disagree with the narrative that there's no consequence here. i think it's a severe consequence to be a convicted felon for anyone, including a president elect, and soon the president to be. but the actual sentence was designed not to interfere

with the duties of the president. so the judge had a tough job, and i think he threaded the needle well. >> tim, as you know, yes, there is still a social stigma around being a convicted felon, but he's not the average person who now is going to be precluded from getting certain job of choice. he will be the president of the united states. and yet he is angry, frankly, about the being sentenced, being prosecuted in general. he will appeal. what is the likelihood of his ability to succeed on that appeal, where he is suggesting that they should not have been able to pursue a state prosecution based on a federal violation of law in terms of that catch and kill election interference. >> you know, that is an interesting argument. >> and really, it kind of goes to whether the judge properly instructed the the jury on the federal elections law. you know, can they do that type of prosecution? yes, they can. >> but if you're going to say

that it's in furtherance of that federal crime, you have to instruct the jury more fully on that crime. >> and also you have to present more evidence. you remember there was an expert witness who was disallowed, who would have been able to explain the aspects of the federal election law to the jury and and what the procedures were, and the fact that in this case, that type of that payment, the timing of it wouldn't have been reported to the fec until after the election happened. and so that all that is important, i think that that is something that the appellate division is going to look at pretty hard. >> i think they will continue to and trump has made no qualms about actually pursuing who will actually do it. we don't know. todd blanche his attorney here is likely to be a part of the doj. the number two position. but judge grasso, i mean, you have been in court, as you've said throughout the trial, he showed no remorse today during that hearing, which was a zoom hearing. he did speak about the political witch hunt. a lot of it was his greatest hits. judge merchan

did not respond, and there had been obviously, roshan had been the target of a lot of the ire of trump. what did you make of the decorum that was on display by the judge in this instance? >> as you said, i was at every day of the trial, i think judge merchan juan merchan has been the utmost professional. and by the way, i've never met him previously. the only time i saw him in action was in this particular trial. and in terms of bending over backwards, to be fair to president elect trump, he could have judge merchan very well could have proceeded with sentencing on july 11th. yes, there was the supreme court immunity decision. and yes, it was expected that the defense would vehemently request an opportunity to be heard on that. but judge marchand could have went to sentencing, and it wouldn't have really been even the supreme court issue at that time, because because he was in president elect and he could have hit him, sentenced him

with that split sentence. but what judge marchand did every step of the way, starting with adjourning it to september, and then in the heat of the election, saying, you know what, i'm not going to do this until after the election. all of that was bending over backwards in deference to the defendant. obviously. uh, defendant trump gives judge merchan credit for nothing. and, you know, dirty judge, crooked judge. but from what i've seen and with the specific reasons i gave you, i think judge marchand couldn't have been fairer. and some might say he was fair to a fault, not me. i think he did the right thing. >> well, let me ask you and give you the quick final word here in terms of what happens next. who is going to oversee this appeal? and do you think that the principle behind trump's decision to keep protesting this is sound? >> i do think that there's a good ground for an appeal. and who's going to do it? susan necheles. you know, she's a phenomenal attorney, a great appellate attorney. she's been

on this case throughout. and even though the other two attorneys are going to go work in the doj, he already has somebody in place that's fully familiar and ready to go. >> we'll see how it all unfolds. this is far from over on the appellate side. good to have you here, tim parlatore george grasso, thank you all so much for watching as well. anderson cooper 360 is next. >> go friends. gather. kiki. chris. jason. >> friends. let's go, let's go. friends. >> hold on to your dice nice frosting. >> pratt. >> thank you. how are we doing, kiki? >> tastes like money to me. >> i can't go back to jail. wait, did you rob my bank? >> are we winning? ha ha! ho! buddy. power. friendship. let's go. >> can a personal loan unlock your ambitions? oh, yeah.

consolidate bad debt and save money for your next goal. sofi. personal loans, low fixed rates. borrow up to 100 k, no fees required. prime's exclusive wild card playoff game is coming. >> the steelers, the ravens they're a prime super bowl contender. >> what a night. >> front exclusive wild card playoff game. steelers. ravens. oh! on. prime. >> my doctor's office with a filing system from the 80s. has my social. >> think of all the places that can expose your info. lifelock monitors millions of data points for identity theft. if there's a problem, we fix it. guaranteed it. are you ready for this? >> are you ready for this? are you ready for this? >> new alka-seltzer plus cold or flu? fizzy chews. chew. fizz. feel better? fast. no water needed. new alka-seltzer plus fizzy juice. >> that's $225 for the night. >> not bad. >> $155 for the night. how? >> it's easy when you know

where to look. >> trivago compares hotel prices from hundreds of sites so you can save up to 40%. hotel trivago maya knows how quality care can bring out a smile, but it's been a few dog years since she was able to enjoy a smile of her own. >> good thing aspen dental offers affordable, complete care all in one place. and new patients without insurance get $29 exams and x rays, plus 20% off treatment plans for everyone. loving our patients unconditionally. it's one more way. aspen dental is in your corner. come and get your love. >> slow down honey. >> a new driver. you need new insurance. zebra compares over 100 insurance companies to find savings no one else can. up to $400 a year. trevor. oh, look. it's my. stop the zebra. we do the searching, you do the saving work. play blink relief work.

>> play. blink. z's bakery is looking to add a pizza oven, arissa's hair salon wants to expand their space, and steve's t-shirt shop wants to bring on more help. with the comcast business 5-year price lock guarantee, they can think more about possibilities for their business and not the cost of their internet. it's five years of gig-speeds and advanced security. all from the company with 99.9% network reliability. get the 5-year price lock guarantee, now back for a limited time. powering five years of savings. powering possibilities™.