california think it was celebrities who lost homes, rich people. is that true? >> this is your everyday, hard working. i work in construction, gardening, housekeeping here every day. essential workers with nothing. we still have to cover our mortgage. i called my lender and i still have to continue paying. >> this family of faith is left grasping for meaning. >> i hear the voice that god told me. i give it to you. everything. and i lost in one second. you need to follow me, only follow me. i believe in god and i. i think one one day i'm going to have a house and i'm going to have everything. >> they only hope god is listening. >> now, if somebody's going to help us. are we helpless?

what do we do? who do we call? i don't know. >> now those three families did apply for assistance through fema, and we were actually interviewing them when they got this response. all three of them got the same response that their housing assistance and personal property had, quote, been not approved by fema. and fema has been telling cnn that that's not an unusual response, that a lot of times, the first time around, people aren't able to fill out those forms correctly. but for the people living in this, they say perhaps fema needs to make this bureaucracy for victims a little bit simpler. erin? >> yes. all right. kyung, thank you so very much. thanks for joining us. the sauce starts now. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> good evening. >> four days into the fight, at least six wildfires are still

burning across los angeles tonight. as are some positive developments that we are seeing firefighters making a bit of progress today as those ferocious winds are easing up. but they are also bracing for things to pick right back up again. there will be no letup in this kind of air attack that you're seeing here, knocking down flames for days to come. and as of tonight, the palisades fire that is the biggest one that we've been tracking over the last several days so far, remains only 8% contained more than 21,000 acres have been destroyed just by that fire alone. that is bigger than the size of all of manhattan. this is an all hands on deck race by first responders from the air and on the ground to save lives. homes and livelihoods. help is desperately needed. according to l.a .'s fire chief, who told cnn earlier that the city failed her and her department by cutting its budget. she says those warnings that she had about that had gone ignored. >> the fire department needs

help. we can no longer sustain where we are. we do not have enough firefighters. and i warned, i rang the bell that these additional cuts could be very, very devastating for our ability to provide public safety. >> now, that is what the fire chief is saying. l.a .'s mayor karen bass, has said those cuts did not affect the response efforts and that after that budget was passed, the city passed millions in pay raises for firefighters and millions for new equipment. but i can now report this evening as we come on the air, that chief crowley, who you just heard from there, did have a meeting with mayor bass this afternoon. we are still waiting to learn more about the outcome of that meeting, where things go from here. i do want to note that just about half an hour ago, there was supposed to be a press conference with officials starting. they have been doing these daily, sometimes multiple times a day. we expected mayor bass to be at this press conference. we were watching this to see if anything came out of that meeting, if anything was going to be said

about it. but officials came out, law enforcement officials. mayor bass was not there. they only spoke for about ten minutes at most probably. and we've been watching this very closely. we have not heard any more updates. we'll continue to update you that on that and what we're hearing from our sources this evening. i do want to get straight to the ground, though. right now anderson cooper is in pacific palisades. and anderson, as you've been there reporting today, you know, it was in a remarkable moment earlier you were witnessing just firsthand watching this battle to to contain these fires from the air. what has that looked like? what have you seen? >> yeah, it's been extraordinary. today we were up in topanga canyon, a small community called fernwood a along a road called a melody lane. and we watched for about an hour and a half or maybe two hours, as, i mean, dozens of helicopters and fixed wing aircraft were dropping water and and fire retardant on a

small spot fire that was threatening this entire community if the winds had shifted and it it would have swept up through all the vegetation, igniting all the vegetation, and then could have very easily destroyed the homes. the amount of air assets they put to bear was extraordinary, and it's a real sign of just the precarious situation. a lot of these communities are up in these, in these hills, in these mountains, in the topanga canyon area. it's very hard for fire fighters to get there. so if the winds do come and an ember comes, a whole area can can go up very, very quickly. and as we were there, there was another fire on another ridge and then another on a on a farther away ridge. so you really just get the sense that, you know, these things are popping up and it's like whack a mole. and these firefighters just have to be on the ground. they're pre-positioned in these places, and they're responding as quickly as possible to these areas, and they're really putting a lot of assets to bear. and they've been able to do that, particularly today with air

assets, because the winds have have died down today. but again, the real concern is for what happens this weekend. i spoke a short time ago to thomas renault. he and his partner live in the altadena area, and they evacuated very early. um, their home has been destroyed. this is what thomas some of what he said earlier. >> i rounded the corner to our block and just saw the devastation. it was really just heartbreaking. like, you know, it's not just us, you know, it's our entire community is leveled, you know, and it's altadena is a working class community filled with artists and public servants and musicians and writers. and, you know, i think we focus so much on celebrities and these mansions and people that have lost their homes in the palisades. and all of that is terrible. but there is a huge community of working class americans that have

lost everything. >> and also that altadena fire, which is from the the fires in altadena, which came from the eaton fire, you know, that was the one two days ago that just completely just really was horrific to watch. devastating that that that entire neighborhood. i want to check in with our nick watt who has been working, i mean, tirelessly since this this fire started. nick, what's the latest where you are? >> well, anderson, what we've been doing today is hearing from a lot of people who were very angry about what happened. as the initial shock has subsided, people are asking questions. could more have been done? you know, caitlin was mentioning up at the top of the show there this issue with the fire chief here in l.a. saying that she didn't have the resources, she doesn't have the budget to do what she has to do. she says, as a fire chief, as a public servant, which is to make sure that her people have what they need to do their jobs. now, the investigations,

the recriminations are going to continue for some time. governor gavin newsom wants to know why, that the water stopped in the hydrants here in the palisades. he's also asked for a president trump to come and visit. um, unclear if political posturing on either side because trump, of course, blamed this all on governor newsom and said newsom should resign. unclear if that political posturing is actually helpful to anyone at this point. um, but that's not for me to say. um, you know, the other issue that i'm kind of obsessed with at the moment are the power cables. now, we know that power cables spark a lot of wildfires. they sparked the woolsey fire just down the road from here in 2018. they sparked that fire that destroyed the town of paradise up in northern california. um, paradise right now, by the way, is rebuilding. and the mayor tells cnn that they are rebuilding with the power cables under the ground so they can't spark wildfires. now, we don't know what sparked these fires here yet. we don't.

there's talk of arson, but as i say, it is often power cables. so should those power cables perhaps be be put under the ground? that's also a question that people are going to have to answer. you know, a lot of people i've spoken to today, experts in the field say what these fires should do is they should be a wake up call. we cannot act like we're still in the 20th century. the climate has changed. we need to rethink how we build our cities and how we protect ourselves. chief crowley is saying that these days you need a lot more firefighters. she's saying that, you know, between 2010 and now, the fire department in l.a. is dealing with 50% more calls. but with fewer firefighters. so, you know, a lot of questions, not enough answers. they could take time. anderson. >> yeah. nick wyatt, i appreciate it. caitlin. i mean,

it is remarkable what the fire chief said to jake tapper on cnn earlier today directly contradicting what mayor bass had said. mayor bass had said when she returned from her trip to ghana and gave a press conference. she said that the budget cuts to the fire department in los angeles did not affect their ability to fight this fire. the chief of the fire department contradicted her directly and said it did, and here's how so remains to be seen. what is going to happen there. but that's one thing to to watch in the days ahead. caitlin. yeah. >> i mean, and that's something that we were talking about tonight, anderson, as we were looking at the comments by chief crowley is, you know, yes, the mayor is contradicting her. and here's the mayor outlining what's in the budget and what they did differently with pay raises and where these cuts were. but, i mean, it's the chief herself who is who is saying this, who is just being straightforward and candid frankly about what her firefighters have been dealing with and what she

says are the cuts. i mean, it's straight from her mouth. anderson cooper, thank you for that. we'll check back in with you on the ground. my source tonight on the ground is also brent pascua. he is the battalion chief with cal fire, not affiliated with the l.a. fire chief crowley, i should note, just as we're talking about the meeting that she had that we're hearing from a source with mayor bass this afternoon, we're still trying to figure out more about that meeting, but i want to talk about what's actually happening on the ground today. the progress that anderson said he was seeing because these winds had died down. are you seeing success? how would you measure it so far from the last 24 hours or so? yes. can you hear me, chief, this is kaitlan collins with cnn. all right. we're going to check back in with the chief. we're going to try to get his audio working. understandably,

he is out on the ground. he has been working with this and dealing with this. all right. chief, can you hear me? it's kaitlan collins. >> yes, i can hear you. >> i'm so glad that we can hear you. i know you're you're out on the ground. you were in the work and taking some time to talk with us, so i really appreciate it. um, i don't know if you heard my question, but i was saying, you know, anderson was talking about the progress that they've seen in terms of actually being able to have the aerial firefighters go out and try to to battle these fires from the sky. what's the latest been on like on the ground today? >> yeah. so the latest on the ground today. pacific palisades the fire has moved on from there and found some canyons to use slope and the dry brush to fuel this fire now. so we've had a surge of resources. head to the topanga canyon area for structure protection, structure, defense. um, the aircraft, valuable assets asset. today i watched a number of drops from the very large air tankers to our sky to our

fire hawks dropping water directly on the fire, making a huge difference, helping our firefighters on the ground. >> yeah. and when you are able to do that, you know, as the winds have been dying down, we were checking what they are this hour, obviously lower than they had been earlier, but expected to pick back up again on sunday. how critical is this window that you can use to to make sure that you know that you can fly? and what do you want to get done in the next, you know, 24 to 48 hours, right? >> it's very critical, very important. it's all hands on deck. we're trying to dig our heels in and get as much containment as we can. or at least put this fire out so it doesn't spread any more beyond its perimeter. we know the winds are predicted, but we're optimistic because they're not to be they're not predicted to be as strong as what we first saw at the beginning of this fire, which is a good thing. >> yeah. and also the other thing that we've been talking about here is the water and the pressure and what was available as these fires started to break out. and i'm sure you saw that

governor newsom is calling for an investigation into the loss of that water pressure. it caused some of the hydrants to run dry, especially in the palisades, as fighters were trying to to battle these blazes. do you personally have a better understanding of of what went wrong here, or what could have been different? >> you know, i can only speak for what my crews experienced. and on the first night during the heat of the battle, with every hydrant open, we did lose a little bit of pressure on our hydrants, but we never lost water. and it kind of makes sense if you're going to open up every hydrant in a town somewhere, it's got to give. and the psi, the pressure did drop, but we still had water to fight the fire. >> and as you look at that, what questions do you have going forward in terms of what could be different here or what needs to be different? what are you hearing from from your crews about, you know, they're the ones actually on the ground doing this. what are they

saying that they think needs to be different to to prevent this from happening again? >> you know, they just pull up to a hydrant and they do what they can. when the water came out, we could boost pressure. when the pressure dropped, we started using our engines, uh, pumps to actually pump, uh, to boost the pressure so that we did have enough water and enough pressure. um, you know, the whole water system thing. it's not my, uh, expertise. i just hope that there's water when it comes out. and we had water the whole time, you know, there was a malfunction in the county's alert system that had caused an erroneous evacuation alert. >> the alert itself was right, but it went to the to the wrong people and not just to a few people. it went to almost 10 million people telling them to evacuate, erroneously. and i know now l.a. county is moving to the state's emergency system to try to fix that as they try to figure out what is this technical glitch that's going wrong. but but, chief, when you look at that, are you worried that it's going to make people desensitized to alerts when

when they very much clearly need to be paying attention to them right now? >> i hope it doesn't. i really hope it doesn't. i don't think it's going to i think people are going to see the devastation that this santa ana wind driven fire created. and it's nothing to joke about. um, this is going to motivate a lot of people to be ready to go in a moment's notice. this is a very eye opening experience, and i don't think it's going to desensitize people when they see just how much destruction has been done here. >> yeah, chief, i know you're very busy, and you have a lot going on. please give everyone our best. tell them we're all thinking of them. i know everyone's exhausted, but. but really appreciate you taking the time tonight. >> well, thank you. >> and my next guest is now among many people in los angeles who now have no home. his family made a split second decision to leave. how they found out later that their house had been burned to the ground. >> that looks like it's getting closer to

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among officials, particularly when it comes to the l.a. fire chief kristin crowley, who you've heard from on air. she did an interview with jake tapper earlier today in the los angeles mayor, karen bass. i should note they were supposed to be at a news conference together tonight. we were watching that, as we always do for developments and to see what the latest is from officials. neither of them ultimately showed up to that meeting. instead, it was law enforcement that came out and gave a brief update. here's what we do know. a source familiar with the meeting tells me that chief crowley and mayor bass did have a meeting this afternoon behind closed doors, but that's all we know right now. of course, we will keep you updated with what we learn about that meeting. but this is coming as in that interview with jake tapper, crowley has voiced some pretty public frustration about budget cuts from the fire department that she says hindered preparedness for these fires let me be clear. >> the $17 million budget cut and the elimination of our civilian positions, like our mechanics did and has and will

continue to severely impact our ability to repair our apparatus. so with that, we have over 100 fire apparatus out of service. so it did absolutely negatively impact quite a blunt statement there from chief crowley. >> i want to go back now to cnn's anderson cooper, who is on the ground watching the impact of all of this tonight. anderson. >> yeah. caitlin, it's fascinating to see and very curious to see what happens, what the ripple effects of the statement there by by the fire chief. i want you to meet darren horovitz. he lost his home in the palisades. has been destroyed. darren, i appreciate you taking the time to join us. i'm so sorry. we are talking about under these circumstances, you haven't actually been back to your home. but i understand you saw it. you saw it online somewhere. is that right? >> that's correct. anderson, thank you for having me. >> we did see our home.

>> both pictures of it burning. and finally destroyed in the news media, youtube videos. we are a small community, and it was not difficult to identify that our home has been lost. and obviously we are devastated ourselves. and also very sad for our community and the vast majority of residents who appear to have lost their homes. >> i want to ask you about the the the evacuation, because it sounds like i mean, it was chaotic, i think, to say the least. can you just talk about how it happened? because i understand you. you talked with your wife about the possibility of, you know, what would we do? and then all of a sudden it seemed to kind of just snowball, right? >> everything moved very quickly. tuesday morning began very normally, and i happened to look up in the sky at around 1030, and the sky just didn't look right. opened my front

door and there was a wall of smoke, no more than a mile or two in the distance, and you could tell that. or i could tell that it was moving very quickly. so we quickly packed up the few things that we could grab some pictures off the wall, took the kids favorite stuffed animals, a few collectibles, a few devices, and we jumped in our cars and we could see that what was one wall of smoke had turned into a dozen different fires, spanning from the mountains of the palisades down to the beach. within about 10 or 15 minutes. things were moving very quickly. we had not received an evacuation order yet. we had not heard anything. and we, you know, felt very much on our own. but in part that was because the fire just erupted. >> and your your kids were in school. is that right? how was

that getting them out? like, how was that? >> that's correct. our kids were in school. in fact, we could see that the flames were getting closer to the school. the school is only about a mile and a half from our house, and we fortunately, a mother of one of our kids friends happened to pick them up and called us, and we raced to her house. but the kids themselves saw flames, saw smoke, and everybody hurried out of the classrooms. it was, i would say, orderly, but also chaotic. because again, all of this was happening very, very quickly. >> so what happens? i mean, what happens now? what do you do? >> so for now, we are staying with relatives up in ventura, california, which is about 50 or 60 miles northwest of los angeles. and that's the question we're asking. we

don't know. and we don't even know our kids. school was destroyed. several schools in the palisades were destroyed. and what's so hard here is that not only have we lost our home, but we've lost our community. and the palisades is a very tight knit, small community, which is sometimes hard to conceive of within the larger metropolis of l.a. but i think, you know, as your previous guest talked about with altadena, we're a small community. we're close. and the community doesn't exist anymore. people have dispersed around southern california, at least for now. and i think the challenge is figuring out where do our kids go to school? we don't know yet. we're hoping to hear over the weekend. and where can we find housing within the area? in a very tight housing market? >> yeah. well, darren, i appreciate talking to you and i wish you the best in the days ahead. thank you so much to to you and your entire family.

caitlin. just one of many stories we are hearing like this. people's lives just completely forever altered and trying to figure out what the next steps are. it is. it's going to be a long road ahead. caitlin. >> yeah. and it just impacts entire families, kids going to school. as he noted, the housing market there. and there are so many people who want to know how to help people like darren. and you can. for more information about how to help these wildfire victims and their families, what they are trying to do next, you can find a list of vetted organizations at cnn.com/impact. go there to try to help. so many people have reached out. it's been really heartening to watch. and of course, we'll continue to check in with anderson on the ground in california, as we've seen, firefighters have been stretched incredibly thin, to say the least, and some people have been resorting to saving their own homes from going up in flames. there's an incredible story of one man doing so. all he had was a garden hose and a

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telling cnn, quote, this is false. right now, the threat of a new wildfires, though, is still looming over los angeles. and this comes as more than 100,000 people remain under mandatory evacuation orders tonight, with tens of thousands under warnings. while many people have not, everyone is willing to leave. cnn's bill weir joins me now from sierra madre, where the eaton fire has been burning. and, bill, you've been talking to to people there who are determined and seeing how how thinly stretched these fire departments are saying, you know, i'm going to stay and try to save my own, my own home here. what kind of stories are you hearing from people? >> well, i met a really interesting young man today, caitlin, who lives a couple doors down from here, you can see the beautiful twinkling lights of l.a. downtown. is that way through the ruins of this house up here on this sort of knife ridge line in sierra madre. we're northeast of pasadena. this edge of the eaton fire. but two doors down from here is a guy lives.

a guy named miro. he is a former hotshot who knows a lot about fire and fire in these lands. and that turned out to be a good thing, because almost single handedly, he got some help from neighbors. he saved the other homes around us. this one he was unable to save. but through blood, sweat, tears, luck, pleading with passing crews. here's his story. >> i've been like telling them what's going on and like telling them what to do. it's been crazy. i'm like, i'm not even paid for this. like i always said, for the forest service. like i like to do it, not for the money. it's like a great way to be outside and be of service. but i never thought i'd be doing this for free. like it's insane. >> insane. do you feel like you're in the clear yet? i mean, can you even relax? >> here. we're fine. there's going to be another wind event. but the damage has been done. like, everything has burnt and there's nothing left to burn. yeah. >> what does that feel like? have you been able to process that yet?

in terms of. >> yeah. last night, um. i was up here by myself and, like, the lights were out and just crying. just. we drove through. it went by my dad's house, and we were just crying the entire time and just. yeah, called a couple of my crew members that i work with that are laid off and yeah, just cried to them and yeah, it's unreal. it's crazy. >> now miro, in multiple trips up and down the hill, had used a garden hose, his own chainsaw to try to clear brush to fight the fire. he was putting out doors of neighboring homes as he saw them alight. really? a fire siege? caitlin, that one guy and a few neighbors and then passing crews. he cajoled them into helping him on a couple of occasions, but you could just see the exhaustion in his eyes there. he saved the house. he saved some of his neighbors around him, but his father, other family members down in altadena lost their home. so the psychological toll you could see it there is really, really palpable. now

there's support crews up here. we saw a crew from yuba city, arizona, not exactly familiar with fighting in these kinds of landscapes, but doing their best to help out under with miro, helping out and giving, giving them suggestions on how to fight new kinds of fires here. >> yeah, i mean, you can just see the not just the physical exhaustion, but just an emotional exhaustion from from what everyone has been through. that's an incredible story. bill weir i'm glad you glad you met him and glad you found him. thank you for that, bill. we are on the ground in california, and as we look at people who have lost their homes, there was already an insurance crisis that was growing in california. then these fires hit. so the question tonight is, if you're a homeowner and your home was destroyed, can you rebuild? how do you rebuild? what does that look like? we're going to talk to california real estate expert josh flagg here to join me live next. >> touches of black. they say a lot without having to say much.

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take this step by step. well, first of all, let's just figure out what's going on here. do you do realize that this is so apocalyptic? can you. i was walking through manhattan today, and i was thinking this would literally be like, if all of manhattan times two was gone. this would never happen if things were properly organized. it's just. can you imagine this happened in los angeles? it's unbelievable. >> yeah. it's hard. i mean, i was just telling you, i was there last week in the palisades and just looking at this. and it's not even just the homes. so many beautiful parks and areas here. what are you hearing from? from your friends in l.a.? >> well, all my friends houses are gone. i'm like, as the house is burning, i'm on the phone with candy spelling. i'm texting with rick caruso house is gone. on the phone with melissa rivers house is gone. all of my friends houses are gone. and this should not have happened if they were properly prepared. like this would never happen in new york. this is really poor on karen bass and i'm sorry to say it, i don't

want to make this political, but this is this is an embarrassment. as for what's going to happen from here on? well let's see people in the palisades. let's let's start at the top. like, let's say you've lived there for your entire life and you're in your 70s or 80s. are you going to start rebuilding when you're 75 years old? are you going to start rebuilding nine months of permitting. and by the way, you have it's like it's going to look like a farmland or like mars all around you. there's nothing there. you're going to build your house. you'll be 85 by the time you're done. no, they're going to buy condos and move on. like maybe younger people will rebuild, but like, who wants to live in like, mars? like, well, there's there's nothing around you. so i think there's going to be half of the people are going to do an exodus, are going to go to beverly hills, maybe brentwood, whatnot, and then the other people that are like true diehard palisades in malibu, people will rebuild. so that's what's going to happen. >> yeah. but you know what? if you're someone, you know, you see, you see the malibu coastline and how it's just totally wiped out. but i was also thinking about, you know,

these areas also have a lot of working class people who live there. and if if you have a mortgage and your house was totally decimated, i mean, you got to pay it off. what are your what are your options? >> here you are. it's like somebody gives you money for an investment and the investment goes sour. you still have to reimburse that person. it's the exact same thing. just because your house is decimated does not mean that the mortgage doesn't have to be paid off. so as long as you have insurance, the insurance will obviously repay the mortgage. and by the way, there is laws that insurance companies have to pay within 30 days at least. i believe 30 or 30 to 40%. so that's helpful. but who knows what's going to happen with these insurance companies, because a lot of them, i think, were over their head never thinking something like this would happen. so the smaller insurance companies may or may declare bankruptcy. i'm not talking about chubb. and, you know, some of the bigger ones, but i this is going to be a really big problem. and by the way let's talk about the contractors. the contractors are going to come in. they're going to be like this is a field day. all of these properties, they're going to think, okay, let's jack up the prices like a covid. >> yeah. well on the insurance

i mean i was looking into this. it was already a pretty fragile insurance market. and there had been, you know, the state's biggest insurance. i was reading just a few months ago, stopped providing home insurance to more than a thousand homeowners in the palisades because they deemed that it was too risky to to insure. so if you're one of those people or you you think that you're insured, but you're underinsured because some of them have the only insurance they can get, but their house price might be worth more than what that is. i mean, it doesn't seem like you have many good options. >> no you don't. you're trying to put it in a nicer. you're screwed. it's really unfortunate. and by the way, just as you said, the insurance game was a nightmare for them ever since, like the wolseley fires. like, i think maybe 3 or 4 years ago, everybody pulled out. like i'm paying 100 grand a year in insurance. i guarantee you, next year i'm paying you for. i'm paying 400 grand for insurance. it's a nightmare. >> i mean, it's it's amazing to see this. >> and that's if you could even

get insurance. by the way, most of i know so many people, wealthy people that are self-insuring because they have they can literally cannot get insurance. >> this is just those are wealthy people. what is what's everyone else supposed to do? >> it's so sad. i mean, look at that. that's la costa beach. i've sold half of those houses. they were beautiful, gorgeous homes. and they don't. they're gone now. and they didn't need this. did not need to happen. i swear to you, if rick caruso would have been elected mayor, this would have never happened. and i'm sorry. i don't mean to be political, but this is absurd. this is los angeles. this is not the middle of, you know, saskatchewan. >> yeah, it's hard to look at that. and to see here these families and their stories. josh flagg, it's great to have you. thank you for for joining tonight. thank. and if you're impacted by these wildfires you can go visit california.gov/la fires. for more information about disaster insurance. other resources that you can get. we're going to continue to follow all of that here. also here in washington. it's been a pretty notable day. we'll catch you up to speed because here in

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felon. >> president-elect donald trump was sentenced today in new york for that 34 criminal counts of falsifying business records in his hush money case, but he was given a symbolic punishment that does not carry any penalty. trump appeared remotely from his mar-a-lago club, as you can see here, alongside his attorney, todd blanche. and as they were speaking, judge juan merchan noted that because of the afforded to trump because of the office he's about to take, that is what played a factor into his sentence, as merchan emphasized that it is. those are protections that trump is going to have because voters recently decided to return him to office. >> never before has this court been presented with such a unique and remarkable set of circumstances. the only lawful sentence that permits entry of a judgment of conviction without encroaching upon the highest office in the land, is an unconditional discharge. >> now, moments before the

judge spoke, we also heard from trump. >> this has been a very terrible experience. i think it's been a tremendous setback for new york and the new york court system. it's been a political witch hunt. it was done to damage my reputation so that i would lose the election. and obviously that didn't work. i'm totally innocent. i did nothing wrong. i was treated very, very unfairly. >> as you can see, no contrition from the president elect. but the sentencing now clears the way for trump to appeal his conviction. that is all going to play out as he is back in the white house. meanwhile, another critical argument was playing out today in the nation's highest court. that is because in just a few days, one way that a lot of americans get their news information and just entertainment could vanish. 170 million people in the united states are on tiktok. about 4 in 10 young adults say they get their news from there. and the justices on the supreme court today seem prepared to let that

change. tiktok's parent company is running out of time to sell or be banned in the united states. that is scheduled to happen nine days from now. >> what happens after january 19th if you lose this case, can you just spell that out? at least as i understand it. we go dark on january 19th. as i understand it, we shut down. >> now, that was what justice brett kavanaugh was asking to the lawyer for tiktok, who was arguing and argued that this law violates the first amendment. chief justice john roberts seemed persuaded by national security concerns, though that we have heard, namely, that the chinese government could gain access to data on many of its users. >> congress doesn't care about what's on tiktok. >> they don't care about the expression that's shown by the remedy. >> they're not saying tiktok has to stop. they're saying the chinese have to stop controlling tiktok. so

it's not a direct burden on the expression at all. congress is fine with the expression. they're not fine with a foreign adversary, as they've determined it is gathering all this information about the 170 million people who use tiktok. >> my sources tonight are cnn legal analyst and the former federal prosecutor, elliot williams, and cnn media analyst and senior media reporter for axios sara fischer. i mean, sara, based on what we heard today and no one likes to guess what the supreme court is going to do, it sounds like they're leaning this way, which would mean that this huge medium that so many americans use and rely on could be gone in a matter of days. yes. >> although it's going to be a slow and gradual fade out. so you can't ask people to just remove an app from their phone. >> but what would happen is the app stores, google, and apple would be forced to pull the app out of the store. >> so if tiktok wanted to make changes, security updates improve the product. the only way you can do that is to update it in an app store.

eventually, the product would become obsolete, but it's not like if you have it on your phone, it goes away. still, this is a big deal because eventually if it does go away, like you said, 170 million people rely on this app. >> well that's interesting. so if you have tiktok on your phone and this goes into effect and you just don't delete it or update it, you would still be able to keep it. >> that's exactly right. but again, you need to be able to update apps. eventually they won't work if you can't update them. and if the app gets pulled from the app store, then obviously you can't update the app now. you could also use a vpn caitlin, to try to go around app store bans. there's a lot of things consumers can do, but what's so ironic here is that for years, we've criticized china for banning u.s. apps and forcing people in china to use vpns to get them. this is sort of the first time that we're doing something like that, because we believe there's a true national security threat. and may i just say, there are other chinese owned apps that are in our app stores today that are not being targeted by this law, but anything owned by bytedance is targeted by this law. so it's not just tiktok, it's lemonade. it's any app owned by bytedance. >> yeah. and congress passed this law. obviously, one

question was trump. trump was the one who he agreed and said that the supreme court should should step in here and pause. so when he takes office, they can kind of reconsider this and try to find a happy medium. justice sotomayor seemed concerned about that very prospect of trump not enforcing this law today. listen to what she said. >> i am a little concerned that a suggestion that a president elect or anyone else should not enforce the law when a law is in effect and has prohibited a certain action that a company would choose to ignore enforcement on any assurance other than the change in that law. >> so i don't think the justices were particularly persuaded by this idea of punting to january 21st, or at least beyond the 19th, to let donald trump take it over. >> number one, that seemed to suggest that a political negotiation would be the resolution here, not the core first amendment and national

security reasoning that they had when they thought about it. >> and also, more importantly, the brief that trump's team submitted on this was was quite weak. >> it relied very heavily on the skills of donald trump as a businessman and a negotiator and a television personality and what else, but not really much about the first amendment. so it just they're going to resolve this before the 19th. >> can we talk about something else, though, that we confirmed tonight? new york times reporter at first, cnn confirmed that mark zuckerberg was at mar-a-lago today at donald trump's club. that came, of course, after one not only the huge changes that meta made this week when it comes to to fact checking and not having that anymore. but also he did a podcast today with joe rogan where he had some blistering criticism of the biden administration and how they handled vaccine information. >> i'm shocked by this, caitlin, because it's one thing to dip your toe in the water. a bunch of tech companies are going to mar-a-lago, a bunch of tech companies are donating to the inauguration, but meta is taking a full swing, right? and the danger there is that they

look like they're flip flopping during the biden administration. they said they adhere to political pressure and that they overregulated information on the platform because of political pressure. now they're saying they're removing die platforms. they are completely changing their ideas around content moderation, shifting to the right. how do i not know that if a democratic administration comes in, you're not going to sway the other way around? i think meta looks a little bit foolish. >> what do you make of of watching all of this just in terms of, in a legal sense of what this looks like? they were saying that they felt pressured to take stuff down, that he wanted to, to have a place for speech fully within their legal rights. >> i think it's more reputational when they look like they're flip flopping there. they it's an about face on all of these issues. >> yeah. it'll be interesting to see how trump himself responds to this, because, i mean, trump has a pretty good antenna for when that is also, you know, happening with people's political convenience. we'll see. sarah fisher, elliot williams, thank you both for being here. thank you all