in later, and that's when they're supposed to step in. >> you know, the sentencing closes out the conviction. so until your sentence you can't you can't appeal anyway. >> that's when ordinarily that's right. the problem is immunity is a is a special category that allows for an interlocutory appeal. >> special categories here that trump is entitled, that trump is entitled to. >> but the problem here is that the trial has already happened. yeah. so there's really no way to go back. >> i mean, i think again it's time to let's move forward. he's appealing and it's going to make a little bit more noise, but it's going to settle down. in four years from now, there'll be a decision made after he's out of office, and they'll probably say that, you know, the way you think. >> you can expect this appeal process to take at least two years to play out. >> minimum. everyone, thank you very much. we'll see what happens here. and thank you for watching news night, cnn's coverage continues next. >> and good evening. we are coming to you yet again tonight

from a staging area along the the pacific by the pacific palisades, along the pacific coast highway, where law enforcement officers, firefighters and others and national guard members. now the national guard has been called in. there are some here on the ground are all using this as a staging ground for battling the palisades fire, which is one of two the two biggest fires which are still about 10% or so contained. there is a lot of work being done. you can see just over the hill right here and it's i'm told it's it's some distance over that ridge. there is another fire that has really, really sent off a lot of smoke into the air just over the last 30 or so minutes. um, it is incredibly active. we spent the day out in topanga canyon in a number of areas, and we're going to show you that in a moment. the official death toll now stands

at 11. that's up from seven at this time last night. and obviously that number is expected to rise as well. some 30,000 acres have burned in all. there's a lot of concern today. there was some good news, which was the winds had died down or were relatively calm. there is a lot of concern about what happens this weekend, particularly saturday afternoon into sunday morning. it's expected that the winds are really going to pick up. we have a lot of reports to show you in the hour ahead tonight. i want to begin with what we have spent the day doing just up in topanga canyon, driving around with fire crews. we came upon a community called fernwood, and we saw more aerial assets being brought to bear fighting, trying to put out these spot fires in that area. it was extraordinary to witness.

take a look. in the mountains of topanga, the battle rages on. by air and on land. firefighters are trying to save the community of fernwood. they've been hitting this fire here in topanga with a number of aerial assets. um, fixed wing aircraft. that was a large one. there was a smaller fixed wing aircraft. they just dropped retardant, uh, fire retardant on it. was that. that's what the reddish pink color is. uh, they've also brought in. helicopters have been dropping water on this spot as well. they have a lot of assets in this area on the ground. they're also putting water on it from from fire trucks down there. um, but this is a spot that they are focusing on right now. one after another, choppers swoop in. they sound an alarm to let

anyone on the ground know water is coming. you can hear the sound of a siren going, that's the warning that they're about to drop water. this is probably the, i don't know, the fifth or sixth water drop. we have seen just over the last ten minutes. i'd say they're devoting a lot of resources trying to trying to nip this in the bud. it looks like from this vantage point, i'm told it is likely a structure fire. you can tell because of the black smoke. new fires pop up all the time. there's one also in the distance near entrada. it looks like from this vantage point that there now may be another issue, another fire over this ridge. you can see the dark smoke rising from there as well. so there's a fire that they believe is a structure down off to the right. and then over that, that ridge looks like there is now another fire to deal with. and

obviously on the horizon you can see some other smoke trails as well. so they're they're they are trying to save this community. that is where the battle has been joined. a lot of air assets, trucks on the ground, fixed wing aircraft like this. wow. i mean it's extraordinary. it is extraordinary to be standing here and feel the power of that aircraft go right over you and watch it just swoop down so low. it is rare in life. you see an aircraft swooping that close to houses. we watch three choppers drop their loads in quick succession. it's a sign of how vulnerable this neighborhood is on medley lane in fernwood, we find james larson, a firefighter from orange county. he's been doing this for 30 years now.

>> we're setting up a defensive stance. uh, there's some fire coming up the ridge here. we're protecting these properties. of course, our main priority is life safety for not only the citizens here, but for the firefighters. >> nearly everyone who lives here has evacuated, but adam weber and some others have come back to try to save their homes. what is it like for you to see this? i mean, um, it hasn't hit yet. it's it's a very surreal and devastating to watch. >> and at the same time, i have so much respect for the fire and really taking in the medicine of what's happening. it's a very it's a moment i've never experienced before in my life. it feels like l.a. is having its 9/11 moment. >> firefighters will likely stay here all night. the situation changes with the wind. as we leave, we notice a new fire is now raging on a distant mountain. there is no end in sight. and that new fire that we saw on that farm mountain. i

can't tell if it's the same fire that we are now seeing over there, or if this is a different one. it is. i mean, there are just spot fires still going, popping up. and that crew that you saw up there, they are probably going to stay in for an overnight sleep there. if they can get some sleep, if they're not able to be relieved by by another crew. but they need to have people there, have people pre-positioned because they know with the i mean, the wind just keeps changing. and if the wind change, and particularly this weekend, that's what i keep talking about, this big concern, they need to have the crews pre-positioned there. because just to get up to some of these communities and small communities like fernwood, you know, it takes a while. these roads are very windy. they're difficult, especially for big vehicles. when we left, they were bringing in a bulldozer. it's just it is remarkable. i just can't get over how many, how much water they dropped were able to drop from the air today because the winds had died down. they were really getting getting able to get those aircraft in there. i want you to meet richard jennings and his son alex. they have

battled to save their home in the pacific palisades. richard, alex, i appreciate you guys joining us. can you just talk about what you both have been through to save your home yeah. >> look, anderson, thank you for having us on tonight. >> it's not just us. our entire community is working to try to save a small group of about 80 houses that are up off of palisades drive, and, you know, um, for us, it's a very emotional piece. um, we personally went up there and i have to say, if not for my son urging us to go, i don't know that we would have had a house today. yeah. i mean, we wouldn't have been able to forgive ourselves and live knowing that there was a chance to save our house and we didn't go for it. >> so i just said, let's go up there and try. and that's what we did. we fought for our community and our home. >> and we're showing video of, of of some of your efforts, you guys, i mean, you did all night long you were doing this.

>> yeah, we got there about nine and we stayed till 530 in the morning. um, the it's it's a tough situation up there. you know, the firefighters are there's not as many of them given all of the fires around the city, the fire hydrants were running out of water. and we just thought, let's go up and use our pool water. let's use everything that we can to fight this. the video that you're seeing now is us trying to take care of our neighbors pool house that sits between our two homes, and we knew that if we could just get that out and stop that fire, we could, you know, potentially save our two homes and maybe save others in the community. so we were really fortunate. we took on, um, five small brush fires that were above our house on the hills. um, we had the help of one of the l.a. firefighting teams that came help put out that structure that was near the home. and now after we left at three in the morning, exhausted, you see photos of the other neighbors coming up and just continuing the work, throwing buckets, you know, down the hill, walking up with

the nets and just drenching every small fire. it's been an effort of all of the community coming together to try to fight this thing, and i just wish we could be up there now. um, you know, anderson, it's really tough. but if i could ask for three things, i just wish one we could, you know, all get back to our homes and help those firefighters. uh, take this on. i know that we've got to leave those serious firefighting to to the professionals. but when it comes to brush fires or embers, we can help. two i'd love to see the public services like, you know, water and power be turned back on for those residents who do want to be there to try to save their homes and and maybe three for the people who just can't be there to fight the fires and help the people. it's been so many people in our community who have lost their homes, who've lost everything. help them. help them find a way through this tragedy. >> richard, let me ask you, your neighbors, did you know

all of your neighbors before this? i'm wondering. i mean, are these people you've you've known or these are some of these people you didn't necessarily know, but they just saw you guys in need and did what they could? >> you know, i think we have a very special community that has an annual block party and gets to know many of the people in the neighborhood. but, you know, with 80 homes, you can never know everyone. and what i know is that right now, the people that are out there are putting out fires of people's homes that they don't even know who it is. they're just looking to help anyone and everyone in that community to try to save as many homes as we can. we know we've already lost some, and we're really saddened for those families who couldn't be saved or whose homes couldn't be saved. but we're truly doing everything we can for the ones that are still there. and i think together we can try to control this. >> it's so i mean, alex and richard, it's so what you did, you know, putting out these little tiny fires. i mean, with buckets is just incredible. but it may seem futile, but it's

really not. i mean, you put out one little spot fire that can prevent some embers from going and hitting the roof and and then spreading to the roof. so, i mean, there's a lot of people can do if they have access to, to, to water. >> absolutely. and we had to get creative. look, we were using pool water and pool pumps and putting a pool pump together with a garden hose and a car sprayer that's meant for, you know, washing your car. we made a makeshift fire hose and we took on all the fires that we could. on the hill. you can see a few of the photos there. we the first night we got there, it was really bad. there were five fires that really we fought them for hours. and, you know, at one point, one of our neighbors, jesse, came from top. we were fighting that fire that you see on the retaining walls of these hills. and he came over the top and just started dumping buckets. and without him, i don't know if we would have gotten that one under control.

>> wow. >> well, richard. alex, i'm so sorry. we're talking in these circumstances, and i'm just glad you guys are okay. and it's incredible to see what you and your and your neighbors were able to accomplish. and i know you said you want to get back there. you want to you want to pitch in. and there's others who are up there. thank you so much. i wish you the best. i hope you get get there soon, i appreciate it. you take care. i want to go to bill weir, who has spent the day in another community. um, let's take a look at what he found this tree, like the fire, came right up to the property. >> yeah, like that tree torched out for the last five years. >> mira, sorrel freed was a hotshot putting out wildland blazes around southern california. and all the while, he knew his own home atop a sierra madre ridge was a ripe fire target. >> i've been doing, like, fuel reduction and defensible space. so i've been, like, lifting all the trees and, like, cutting

everything back. so in case a fire does happen, it can't get up into the trees and like, torch out the building. >> um, and that paid off. >> paid off, man. if i didn't do that, this would have all this would have gone right. >> but he never imagined he'd have to defend his own neighborhood from a moving hellscape with a garden hose and a chainsaw. he says that during repeated trips over multiple days, he had to beg for help from passing fire crews and even evade a police barricade. >> he told me i looked tired and i should go find somewhere to sleep and then threaten to put me in the cop car so i know sierra madre. i know another way to get in. so i snuck back up here and put out a bunch of fires and saved 4 or 5 homes from burning. >> when fire crews from arizona finally arrived, muro found himself in command. >> i've been, like, telling them what's going on and, like, telling them what to do. it's been crazy. and, like, i'm not even paid for this. like i always said, for the forest service. like i like to do it, not for the money. it's like a

great way to be outside and be of service. but i never thought i'd be doing this for free. like it's insane. insane. >> do you feel like you're in the clear yet? >> i mean, can you even relax here? we're fine. there's going to be another wind event, but the damage has been done. like, everything has burnt and there's nothing left to burn. yeah. >> what does that feel like? have you been able to process that yet in terms of. >> yeah, last night, um. i was up here by myself and like, the lights were out and just crying. just we drove through. it went by my dad's house, and we were just crying the entire time and just. yeah, called a couple of my crew members that i work with that are laid off and yeah, just cried to them and yeah, it's unreal. it's crazy. >> and bill weir joins us now. bill. uh, it's just remarkable the efforts people have been able to, i mean, have gone through and some of them very successfully. >> yeah. you're hearing these stories where it's literally

blood, sweat, tears, luck that determines the fate of an entire neighborhood. here's mira's house over here. he, by the way, has left the hot shot. he's going to go into private business helping people defend their homes against wildfires, he tells me. and he's actually got some help. now. we've got a cal fire crew down in the brush. look at this work. the sun is going down and these folks, men and women down here clearing this just to make doubly sure that they're in the clear up here in this part of sierra madre. but for every house that burned, what is 10,000 structures? anderson, there are so many stories of people who tried to save their places to varying success. but now the psychological toll of what comes next when the other half of your neighborhood is gone. >> yeah, yeah. bill, it's you've seen this firsthand. i mean, it's crazy how much it's the vagaries of the wind determining where

these crews have to go, where they have to then shift resources. it's it's like a whack a mole. it's i mean, it it's exhausting for for these crews. yeah. >> absolutely. and and for los angelenos, for southern california as both the new transplants. you don't know how this wildfire thing works. and for people who've been here forever, think they know wildfire, i'm hearing again and again from people like i'm a fourth generation. i've never seen anything like this. it's surprised us. it moved so fast. so this is sort of real time survival of the fittest, adapting to these new conditions on this overheating planet of ours right now. but it's evident that the systems that are in place right now aren't going to cut it. if this is a new normal. >> yeah, bill, we are. appreciate it. thanks very much. to that point, governor gavin newsom today was saying that he wants to see an independent investigation about the water issues. i talked to him about that, actually about two days ago, in the midst of

the altadena fires. i'll show you what he said about it then, and we'll talk about what he's calling for. now. we're going to take a short break. a lot more ahead. we're going to hear from more homeowners, from firefighters. amanda gorman is going to be joining us as well. the poet with a poem about what is going on here. this is california. los angeles is where she is from. we'll be right back with a lot more. >> a single touch can say a thousand words. it says, i see you. i feel you i got you, and i'm never letting go. ever say it all with irresistibly touchable skin. get in touch. gold bond. >> he was only 47. >> aneurysm. did he have life

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here. it could just move up here. again, so much depends on the winds. they have died down today over the last several hours since this morning. and that's certainly good news. but this is an area of real concern. and there's a lot of firefighters devoted to this area right now. and that's the small community of fernwood in topanga. and a couple of people who had evacuated. adam weber was one of them. we met there. he has come back. others have come back, and they're trying to help fire crews by essentially spotting and sending out information about what they are seeing. and with captain sheila kelliher, you and i have been talking every night. you were in this parking lot the first night you had to evacuate. first of all, i want to ask you about this. i mean, this looks like a pretty big fire that is now happening over a pretty big flare up. >> you were there today. that was right at fernwood. and as you go up a little bit further in trotta. so that's all part of that topanga canyon area. they did a really great job inserting crews over there and

getting dozer line around it, because their goal is to really protect those homes up by fernwood. so which is good. so they they're accomplishing that goal. but we're not out of the woods yet. this this wind you can feel is laying down a little bit. so we have a little time to get the upper hand before the winds kick back up later this weekend. >> i was so impressed by just watching the operations around fernwood today. i mean, this is a community we're talking maybe, i don't know, 10 to 15 homes? it was hard to tell. uh, there were there must have been 30 airdrops of of retardant and water that that i saw maybe 25 that i actually physically saw that air attack is, is so critical for us, and especially with the retardant. >> that's what really stopped that fire in calabasas the night before. so it didn't get into the homes. so them doing that is really keeping it away from the community for when there's a lot of homes up in that hills, there's a lot of assets up there. so pushing it that way, the air support is critical. yeah. >> medley lane, the medley loop was the area that that we were on with, with the homes that we saw. just big picture, you know. how concerned are you about what's going to happen

this weekend with the winds? >> if we do what we're supposed to be doing, we keep working through the night and the weather is is cooperating right now. i think we can really make some headway. and and then we're just dealing with normal red flag conditions, which is totally different than the monstrosity that we've been dealing with. we have all the units in place. we've got over 3000 firefighters on this fire. we've got over 350 engines, 54 crew busses, helicopters, dozers. we've got the world out here working on this. so with that said, everybody's pre-positioned. so we're in a great place to really do everything that we can. >> yeah, i appreciate all your efforts. yeah. really good. thank you. i want you to meet, uh, chris maddox and, uh, thomas. uh, kelliher. i'm sorry. thomas reno and chris maddox. guys, i'm sorry. uh, chris reno, uh, a little bit sleepy, i apologize. um, first of all, how are you guys doing? you decided to evacuate from your place in altadena for viewers who are watching. two days ago, we were in altadena.

when? when it was just completely decimated. you evacuated early. what made you decide? when did you realize you should get out? >> we. >> pretty early. >> i mean, what happened was we knew it was going to be a weird day. >> there was the santa ana winds were were blowing through and and our friends chris and elizabeth from down the road called us saying there was a fire in eden canyon and they needed to evacuate. they came over and and so we realized that, well, we're we're safe. you know, we don't have an evacuation notice in our area, but then we could see a fire growing along the ridge coming toward us from our front porch. and so we decided what to do. and so we packed our bag, um, because they had offered us to go with them to their son's school. apricot lane farms in moorpark. and so we, you know, got the deed to the house. we got passports and i packed a pair of jeans and that was it because we thought, you know what, we'll be back tomorrow. yeah. we weren't

really expecting the fire that we were seeing on the ridge two and a half miles away to even sweep into our part of town. >> it wasn't really until the next morning when we woke up and we were looking at this watch duty app, which tracks all of the fires in the area. we realized that the evacuation warnings had extended into our neighborhood, into most of pasadena and la canada, and we realized, well, maybe this is a little bit worse than we'd originally anticipated. um, yeah. you know, and then we. >> and after pictures. yeah, yeah, it's devastating. i mean, i mean, it's it's extraordinary. just, just it's horrific to see this. but but what you said, i think is so important, a lot of people in altadena, i mean, it's unprecedented. there was not the expectation that this eaton fire which is happening, you know, a mile or two away that that embers of it would come and ignite fires in altadena. >> now it's blowing. the wind was blowing

east. and so not west. and so we thought we would be settling in for the night. we just left because, you know, why not? you know, uh, it's moorpark is far away. and then thomas ended up, you know, coming back and checking in on the house the next day. >> yeah. it was, you know, we had some word from our friends house that they were fine and they wanted to get back to the neighborhood to try to pull some more things out. so i offered to drive them in, really wanting to check on our house as well. and, you know, i left them at theirs while they did their thing. and as i was making my way through the neighborhood, i realized the closer we got or the closer i got to the house, just everything around was in flames or in ashes. and when i rounded, you know, the corner to our block and just saw the devastation, it was really just heartbreaking. like, you know, it's not just us, you know, it's our entire community is leveled, you know, and it's altadena is a working class community filled with artists and public servants and musicians and writers. and, you know, i think we focused so

much on celebrities and these mansions and people that have lost their homes in the palisades. and all of that is terrible. but there is a huge community of working class americans that have lost everything where we are. and it's it's really terrible. >> and this is not just a house, you know, this is a home that, you know, i saved my life savings and a tv and film writer to, to purchase. and, you know, we had thomas's grandmother's artwork hanging on the walls, my grandfather's ashes on the mantelpiece. and, and when he called me telling me that the house was burned down, it it to realize all of that is just gone. and we have nothing we left with nothing, no keepsakes. um, and, you know, we have pool parties every year. we our house was a refuge for all of our artists. writer, actor, you know, ceramic friends and and and to see that it's no longer there. it's just it's literally devastating. yeah, yeah, yeah. >> i'm seeing these side by side images. thomas and chris,

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governor newsom at the altadena fire, he was going out with fire crews. we met up with him. i asked him about the water issue, and he he seemed to indicate he thought it was a local issue. let's play what he said. what is the situation with the water? obviously, in the palisades. it ran out last night. and the hydrants. i was talking to the firefighter on this block. they left because there was no water in the hydrant here. >> the local folks are trying to figure that out. >> i mean, just when you have a system where it's not dissimilar to what we've seen in other extraordinarily large scale fires, whether it be pipe electricity or whether it just be the complete overwhelm of the system. >> i mean, those hydrants are typical for 2 or 3 fires, maybe one fire. you have something at this scale. >> but again, that's going to be determined by the local. >> it certainly that has you know, this is a big focus for a lot of people here. there's a lot of anger about this, a lot of questions about it. how could this happen? how can it be fixed, how can make sure it never happens again? so he's

the governor is now saying he wants an independent investigation into it. nick watt has more on that. >> yeah. well, anderson, the governor wants to know what went wrong. i can tell you a little bit of what went wrong here in the palisades. is that the the the pipes here in the palisades are at the end of the city water system. they're slightly narrower, less pressure. so they have tanks in the hills, 3 million gallons that are supposed to help keep the pressure high. but, you know, i've spoken to some experts in this field, anderson. and they say however much if you had 10 million gallons in those tanks, you weren't going to be able to keep up with the demand from the firefighters just trying to keep this fire under control. so he's going to ask questions. hopefully we'll get some answers. you know, as you mentioned, a lot of people are getting a bit angry. and one of them is the l.a. city fire chief. she. chief crowley was pulling no punches today. she said, listen, now. between 2010 and now, we're dealing with 50% more calls, but we have fewer firefighters, she says.

they've got 100 pieces of crucial equipment in the shop right now because they don't have enough mechanics, she said. they need 60 more fire stations. she said that we cannot we just cannot sustain this. but the other thing she said that was interesting, anderson, was she said even if we had 100 more engines, we were never going to catch this palisades fire it was just too brutal. >> yeah, yeah. i saw her interview with jake tapper and it was fascinating. i mean, she was being very blunt about, you know, what she was saying was directly seemed to contradict what the mayor, karen bass, had said when she returned from her trip to ghana at a press conference where she was saying that the the budget cut did not impact their ability to fight the fire. the fire chief was saying it did impact. right? yeah, absolutely. >> she directly contradicted. she said absolutely, yes. those budget cuts to overtime and to civilian employees. you know, the other thing that she's said is that, you know, brush, as you and i have been talking about for days now is key.

that's the fuel. so, you know, around here it's mandated that you cut brush back from, from buildings so that buildings don't catch fire. chief crowley said that their budget just hasn't been big enough for them to send the people out, to inspect the brush, to make sure that people are actually cutting it back. yeah. i mean, she was pulling zero zero punches. yeah. >> a lot of questions to be answered. appreciate it. jennifer and marcus arco are joining me now. both of you i understand you feel you saw the beginnings of the what became the eaton fire. can you just talk about what it was you saw when you saw it? >> yeah, i came home early from work. >> i work on the west side, and i left early because jen said that the winds were really picking up and, uh, it was about ten after six when i pulled off the 210 freeway onto altadena drive, which leads right up to our house.

>> we're right against eaton canyon. >> and as i was driving up, i saw a glow in the hillside right above our house and given everything we've been through with the bobcat fire in 2020 and knowing what was going on in the palisades, um, i was really concerned. >> and i just kept my eyes focused on that. and as i got closer, i could see right across from us on the hillside in eaton canyon. there are a series of transformer towers, uh, with power lines stretching up into the mountains. and at the base of one there was just a small ring of flames around the whole base. and i. i knew with the way the wind was whipping that i needed to get get home right away. so about 615, i, i pulled into our, our house, into the garage, and i ran to the door and i said, jen, there's a fire on the hill. we we got to go. and that's when jen leapt into action. >> yeah, i mean, i just called 911. they said they had just

started receiving calls and then we grabbed our go boxes and we rang every doorbell on our street. >> and within 15 minutes the there were five fire trucks in our neighborhood. and we were all gone and evacuated. um, and then obviously, just first of all, it it it says a lot about you that you it says a lot about you that you took the time to ring other doorbells on your street to, to warn everybody. >> um, the i know that the power company has not made any comment about that. the images we were showing about the idea that that is where it began. and obviously there's investigations going on, but you you believe that that is the first the first, fire that ultimately created the eaton fire. yes. >> i, i can't say definitively that it was the power lines

that caused it, but i can say definitively that the first fire in pasadena, altadena, um, eaton canyon is right on the edge of altadena in pasadena. that's where the fire began. it was under that tower, um, on on tuesday night. uh, it was it began as a small little blaze underneath. and within ten minutes, the whole hillside was engulfed in the in. the fire was just channeling right down the canyon in our backyard. >> yeah. well, that's that's incredible. um, how is is your house? >> i mean, it's still there, and we can't believe it, but the devastation is just it's just too much to bear. yeah. >> we we we pulled out of our driveway tuesday night. um, we backed out. we backed out around a fire engine that was parked basically in a perpendicular to our drive. uh,

they were laying hoses into our into our backyard, into our neighbor's yards. uh, there was a crew in our backyard pointing their their hoses into the canyon as the flames were coming. and when we left that night, we didn't think we'd ever see our house again. and somehow they held it. um, we're forever grateful to those firefighters. they came in, responded within minutes. they they saved most of our neighborhood, um, in the immediate area, but just a few hundred yards in either direction. it's a moonscape. now. >> yeah, yeah. i mean, i saw it myself happen. it was just unbelievable. jennifer and marcus, i really appreciate your time tonight. i wish you both the best. um, we're going to take a short break. ashes are actually starting to kind of sprinkle down here, which is why i just now put on on my mask. i think it's from, uh, from the fire that's happening now. just over the ridge. we're going to take a short break.

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what happened, we can move forward. >> it's extraordinary that you are saying this and your home is gone. i mean, you have a a rock. explain. this is is this one of the few things you have from your house? >> yes. so i we lost everything. everything burned to the ground. and, um, we love nature and we go on walks and we go to the beach and we do our trails and everything, and and we find heart rocks everywhere we go. and so heart shaped rock. yeah. and so when i wanted to support my children and give them hope, i decided i had to go out. and so i, i got caught at the barrier. i called chief batista of santa monica and he said, give me a minute. and he put me in touch with the fire chief in santa monica, who promised me that he would bring back a message of hope for me. and he said, what do you want from your house? i said, i don't know anything. i have. i have rocks everywhere. and he presented he came to me

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of smoke over in this direction. some ash was falling a short time ago that seems to have stopped, and there's a slight breeze coming off the the water, which is why i've removed my my mask. i want to bring in a poet, amanda gorman. you all know who she is. um, amanda, you are from los angeles. and i know you have written a special poem, which you are going to which we are very excited that you are going to to read for us. but before we get to that, i just want to i mean, how are you seeing all what is going on, seeing this the images of of this city that that you were that you were, you know, you grew up in. what's what's it been like for you? >> oh, it's been heart wrenching. i'm actually in new york right now, just by an odd turn of fate. i was here for work, and then i started seeing all the news in los angeles. and it's just heartbreaking. i'm a proud pacific palisades resident. and so seeing

neighborhoods and areas that i love torn to shreds, it's gutting. >> what you've what went into i mean, how how did you write this poem that that you were going to recite? i mean, what how do you go about doing that? >> oh, i mean, i let my heart break and i let it pour and i let it bleed. i think i had to write the poem because i myself am just trying to process what i'm seeing, since i'm not in the city in person. i was feeling so helpless and so powerless, and so the only thing i felt i could do was to turn to what i always do, which is language. >> well, if you are ready, i would love to to hear your your poem. >> all are angels have gone. this smoldering dawn. we soldier on. we've proved ourselves strong. not from how badly we've burned, but how

bravely we bond. apocalypse does not mean ruin, but revelation in devastation. this inferno has endured us, but it cannot endure us. even in the surreal. we do not surrender. we emerge from the embers. the hardest part is not disaster, but the after scorched earth is where the heart hurts, where we restore first, where we start. the work today. we mourn. tomorrow reborn. we end the burning. befriend the hurting, mend those who face the flame. we reclaim our cities. name of that only this place tells to find our angels. all we need do is look within

ourselves. >> to find our angels. all we do. all we must do. is look within ourselves. you know this is beautiful. and i think it's so important. you know, we just had on a woman whose house has been destroyed, and she was speaking about love. and, you know, in the, in this small little hamlet of fernwood earlier today and topanga, i watched firefighters who are probably sleeping there tonight if they can sleep at all, work just constantly trying to save a handful of houses on one street, dropping plane after plane and helicopter and helicopter. and there were neighbors there who had evacuated, who came back to try to help out their neighbors. so we have seen that. we have seen the best in people over the last several days. and and i think your poem speaks to that. at least that's what i take from it. >> thank you, thank you, thank you. >> i wish you the best. you take care. you too. um, there

is a lot going on right now at this staging area. as i said, the sea is there. the fire is there. the firefighters are here. police officers are here. national guard members are here. they have been have been called in. now, there is a lot of of trepidation about what may come saturday afternoon, what may come sunday morning in terms of wind. and that's something we're going to be watching very closely. and a lot of people here are going to be watching very closely because it is all about the wind. if the wind can stay, if the wind does not pick up over the next several days, it will really allow a lot of more air assets to put fire retardant on the ground, to put water on the ground. it's one of the things they were doing up in fernwood today was, was they did have a truck up there just pouring water out onto some structures and also onto the ground all around these structures so that even if the

wind does pick up and the embers do come and the flames spread, that there will be enough water soaked into the ground. and so if the wind can stay, as it has been somewhat still today, they can get a lot more water in there onto the ground and get things soaked. so let's just hope that in the next day or two, the winds do not pick up as they are expected to, and that the direction that they do blow is a direction away from from these homes. if you want to help people here, go to cnn.com/impact. um, and you can find that's the web address. you can find out all about organizations which are working here. cnn.com forward slash impact. this sunday we'll have a special hour on the whole story. it's our documentary series, a special hour devoted to what is going on here and what we are seeing on the ground from including from all our correspondents. the