>> it's monday, january 13th right now on cnn this morning, the biggest concern that i have right now is the fact that we are still in such a dangerous situation. death toll, rising crews facing new dangers this week in the fight against the flames ripping across southern california. plus, there is a serious lack of competent governance in california, and i think it's part of the reason why these fires have gotten so bad. blame game the incoming trump administration pointing fingers at california democrats over the disastrous fires and the rubber hits the road this week with all of these hearings on the cabinet confirmation showdown, some of donald trump's most critical and controversial cabinet selections, facing questions from lawmakers on

all right. it is 6 a.m. here on the east coast. a live look at charlotte, north carolina on this monday morning. good morning everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. it probably feels like the nightmare will never end as people in southern california face a sixth straight day of deadly wildfires. crews still at it with winds expected to intensify again this week. at least 24 people have lost their lives. the palisades fire still largely uncontained, and it's already the most destructive fire in l.a. county history. one local official says more than 5000 homes have been wiped out in the palisades fire alone, thousands losing everything in a matter of hours, including one family who lost their daughter's ashes. >> we had a daughter 15 years

ago. she'd be 15 and she passed away when she was one, and her ashes were in our home and when they're gone. like every memory, every piece of physical evidence of her life is just gone. and that hurts. >> critical fire conditions flaring up once again, with the national weather service warning of a particularly dangerous situation by midweek. all of this threatening to fuel the major fires, which have already burned more than 40,000 acres in just under a week. that is an area bigger than the size of paris, france. california governor gavin newsom says fire crews are moving into hotspots in advance. >> some up here in mandeville canyon, which was the site the last two nights of tremendous investment of resources. firefighters working the line, a lot of those assets still here, not only in anticipation of potential flare up here in the palisades fire, but also pre-positioned as we're pre-positioning in many

counties throughout the state of california because of the upcoming winds, we're expecting monday peaking monday night into tuesday, extending into wednesday. >> joining me now to discuss the latest is brian rice, the president of the california professional firefighters. brian, welcome back to the show. thank you so much for being with us. we did hear from the governor overnight about pre-positioning fire crews for more potential flare ups. what do you think is the scale of the risk of that here? >> i think that for the next couple of days, the governor said it through wednesday. there's a pretty large spread of a red flag warning. um, i think the threat is very real and that the state of california is moving resources in to. match. i can't say match that threat, but in anticipation of that threat, the threat is real. >> so, sir, at this point, i mean, what do you think are the

biggest risks from these winds? which neighborhoods do you think are potentially more at risk than others? and what does that mean for your crews? >> well, right now the, the it looks like the big threats are talking about the brentwood area, the santa monica area. um, the governor mentioned mandeville canyon in some of these areas on the northern end of the palisades fire you're seeing areas that haven't had a fire, in some cases up to 40 years. so you're seeing a much higher fuel load. they know that they're getting resources in there. but casey, it's like i said, every time i've spoken to you. um, the weather matters here. it's still dry. the humidity levels are coming up a little bit. i think that they probably aren't beginning to see the type of overnight recovery in the dew point and the humidity levels that they want to see. um, but it's not single digit like it was when this fire started. and

right now it all matters. and it is the neighborhoods that are in front of the flame front. the excuse me, the flame front. and then some of the things that add to that, you know, that have islands of areas in the in the burn that haven't burned. they were saved. they were saved when the fire moved around them. those pose a threat to you don't want to see a start in those areas that help fuel a flame front. >> so, sir, what are you hearing from firefighters on the ground about what they may need here? i mean, are they running into any issues along the lines of, obviously, there's already been investigations called for and apparently launched into why the the hydrants ran dry and the palisades, for example. are there any other issues like that that you're hearing from crews, and what are they telling you about how residents can best help them right now? >> well, some of the things that i've spoken to last night with one of the one of the crews, a leader on a usar team,

um, their morale is very, very high. they're starting to roll into getting some rest periods. but the reason that the morale is high is, you know, there's a lot of interaction with the community as firefighters rotate off the line. they'll have those connections in some areas, um, as they're transversing or going towards the fire line, they connect with with citizens. and those interactions mean everything. um, you hear their stories, they, you know, a person asks you for help or what did you see in this area? and people are tired. um, they'll be time for exhaustion. and they'll be they'll be a time to get rest when the wind stops blowing and we see our containment number numbers go up. >> really? i'm glad to hear that. that you are hearing that the morale is high because of how much support they're getting from the community. that is at least something positive to look to in what is obviously an incredibly difficult and continuing to be a very dangerous situation. brian rice have been so

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>> it is. he does this for a living now, or at least he did up until about a month and a half ago. so i think, you know, having a television personality is, you know, certainly an advantage in this exact scenario. i'm sure trump thought about that as well. look, i think you're absolutely right. he was on the precipice about 50 days ago of whether or not when they were floating desantis, you know, does he stay and does he not i'd say more than steadied the ship. look, i think right now bottom line, there might be republican defections. that does not mean they will not get confirmed. we're likely looking at every one of these, barring unforeseen events, getting confirmed. >> are there any points that you see jerusalem, where there may be a nominee? and i'm actually thinking about rfk jr. in this case, who actually gets crosswise with republicans, which seems to likely be the biggest potential risk. >> i mean, rfk is clearly the person who might receive the most republican defections because of, you know, he's not really a traditional member of the republican coalition. but i

think we just have to remember, it's very rare for kennedy, a longtime member of a massive democratic dynasty. yeah, but it's just it's just it's just very rare for someone. it's actually happened. i think one time under h.w. bush, it was also a department of defense nominee. i think john tower and he similarly had alcohol and womanizing allegations, sexual harassment allegations, too. and that's the only time in history that we've seen in america, a nominee actually get voted down by the senate. and so it's just not something we should expect to see happen. and people usually will pull their names rather than have that happen to them. >> the person to watch tomorrow in my mind, is senator joni ernst, because she is on the committee. she is one of those potential republican defections. she has really not been very committal on pete hegseth. and the other thing you're going to watch is every single democrat that wants to try to fill the vacuum right now, post-defeat you are going to see them make light. you know, the political theater is not just for the nominees, but for some of these senators. >> yeah, i was going to say that too. and also, he might be a news reporter and he might be able to answer, but sometimes

you're only an inch deep when you're a news person. and so it's interesting to see how deep. >> hey. whoa, whoa. i'm saying when you're an anchor, i would never say that about the media and see how far he can go, because i think some of these democrats are going to try to go a lot deeper. >> and i think to alex's point, they are going to try to make it. they are going to try to make the point for themselves and try to get some name recognition here. >> so one question i do have for you, megan, is there have been some reports about people who have been in pete hegseth orbit who have concerns about him going to senate democrats to try to tell their stories. this is something that we've seen come up in previous years. the kavanaugh hearings is probably the highest profile example of this. is there are there going to be any surprises? do you think? >> i mean, i think that there will be a lot of people who are trying to make a name for themselves and trying to dig deep on some of this stuff. i think that like to the point about rfk jr.. i think that he will have a lot from democrats coming out, too, because i think a lot of democrats don't want him to be in the cabinet. if they can make a sort of a hard pivot to not having someone for trump, i think that's a place to go. >> i do want to bring up one thing about someone who is not

a in a senate confirmed position, and that's elon musk. but matt gorman, we noticed this. breitbart wrote this story about something that steve bannon, a longtime trump ally, went to prison over some of it. what he said about elon musk to an italian website, quote, i will have elon musk run out of here by inauguration day. he will not have a blue pass to the white house. he will not have full access to the white house. he will be like any other person. he is a truly evil guy, a very bad guy. i made it my personal thing to take this guy down. what is what is it about musk that has bannon so incensed? >> he's got a week, so got to get cracking. >> but no. look, i think part of this is, you know, i think bannon and others are trying to figure out exactly what that role is in the orbit in the administration right now. right. seven years ago, eight years ago now, he was coming in as counselor to the president. this is a way, i think, for him

to have an angle, have a different sort of take than a lot of people in the trump orbit who are have no problem with elon musk favorable, elon musk like him. so i think that is really what the angle is. you also saw i saw something similar to this when he was talking about raising taxes on the wealthy, which is, as we know very much, not what republicans in congress or in the administration are actively doing. i think he's trying to carve out a unique lane here. >> i don't oh, no, no. >> go ahead. >> oh, i was going to say they do have some, you know, policy differences. but i'd also say bannon has said this, that he resents the fact that elon is sort of a you know, johnny come lately he joined the bandwagon now wants to run the whole thing. yeah. >> fair enough. all right. coming up here on cnn this morning, a deal is said to be, quote, very close. could there be a ceasefire and hostage release agreement in gaza before president-elect trump takes office next week? plus, the death toll rising in southern california, crews are racing to contain the flames before the fierce winds return.

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cases peaking tuesday and wednesday. so this is going to be another prolonged event. you're looking at those sustained winds for this red flag warning area 20 to 30mph. but those wind gusts could be anywhere between 45 to 70 miles an hour. now, that's not as bad as we saw last week. of the 80 to 100mph. but keep in mind that the wind direction is going to be a little bit different. it's going to be more of an easterly flow. so these winds will end up going into some areas that did not see those incredibly strong winds from last week. you have not only the elevated and critical, but we now have an extreme fire weather risk for today and tomorrow and all of these areas. it's mostly in the northern suburbs, but even los angeles still in those elevated to critical fire weather areas. when we look at those wind gusts, they are gradually going to tick back up in the 20, 30, 40 mile per hour range as we go through not only the day today, but also into tuesday and wednesday of this week. so there's really not going to be a good chunk of a break for those firefighters hoping to make some advancements in those containment numbers. the good news is they were able to do that over the weekend, especially on saturday when we

had those lower winds. so you'll see a lot of these numbers for the containment have started to go back up. and we even have some fires that are now considered fully contained at 100% containment. so that is fantastic news. the thing that all of these have in common is that they are in severe drought because of the lack of rain that we've really had so far. casey. normally we would have had about 4.5in of rain in these areas. we've had less than one inch. >> well, all right, allison chinchar for us this morning, alison, thanks very much. still ahead here on cnn this morning, russia, china and the rule of dawn. what one expert calls the top risks in 2025. plus ceasefire and hostage talks between hamas and israel. continue. why an agreement could be close this morning. and with those major wildfires still threatening thousands in southern california, how could politics affect recovery efforts in the months ahead? >> i would invite him, as i did donald trump, to to visit with the community. express empathy of the scale of this tragedy

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here? >> well, casey, it's clear that these parties are nearing the final stages of negotiations for a comprehensive ceasefire and hostage deal. but the question still remains as to whether or not they will get this deal across the finish line. a hamas official telling us that several sticking points still remain in these talks, including over a proposed israeli buffer zone inside the gaza strip, where israeli troops would remain. and details concerning the release of palestinian prisoners, among several other sticking points as well. but over the weekend, we did see some really concrete movement in the right direction towards a deal, first of all, with the israeli prime minister agreeing to dispatch the mossad director, david barnea, who has led the israeli negotiating team at key junctures in these talks in the past. he was only supposed to travel to doha, qatar, if indeed there had been significant progress. so that was the first point. we also saw president-elect trump's incoming special envoy for the middle east meeting with the israeli prime minister, conveying very clearly not only

the biden administration's pressure to get a deal before january 20th, but the incoming trump administration's position agreeing with exactly that, trying to get a deal before president-elect trump is indeed inaugurated one week from today. and now we are seeing all of these parties kind of rowing in the same direction, trying to get a deal in doha, qatar. but that doesn't mean that a deal is assured. all of the sources that i have been speaking to today have made clear that while things are very, very close here, they simply cannot guarantee an outcome at this point. and part of that stems from uncertainty over whether or not hamas and israel will have the political will to get a deal across the table. and, of course, here in israel, there is this question of politics still being at play. the israeli prime minister over the weekend meeting last night, in fact, with bezalel smotrich, that far right finance minister who in the past has threatened to pull the rug out from underneath this coalition government if indeed the israeli prime

minister reaches out and agrees to a deal? today, in less than 24 hours after smotrich met with netanyahu, he took to twitter to lambast this draft agreement that that appears to be nearing potential conclusion, calling this deal on the table a, quote, catastrophe, describing it as a surrender deal and urging the israeli government to continue fighting in gaza until hamas fully surrenders to israel. so a lot still at play here, casey. certainly some positive momentum, but uncertainty still remaining as always. >> and of course, looming over all of it. the inauguration of president-elect donald trump, set for a week from today. jeremy diamond, thanks very much for that report, i appreciate it. all right. let's turn now to this. >> so is the message i want the world to hear today. america is back. america is back.

diplomacy is back at the center of our foreign policy. as i said in my inaugural address, we will repair our alliances and engage with the world once again not to meet yesterday's challenges, but today's and tomorrow's. >> almost four years ago, president biden gave his first foreign policy address. later today, he will give his final one as he prepares to hand off a world order that's fraught with both familiar and new risks. every year, the consulting firm the eurasia group publishes an annual list of the year's top geopolitical risks. among them, for 2025, donald trump's second presidential term, artificial intelligence, a rogue russia and a potential breakdown in us-china relations. at the top of the list, though, is what the group calls the g-zero wins. they define it like this quote an era where no one power or group of powers is both willing and able to drive a global agenda and maintain

international order. joining us now to discuss is ian bremmer. he's the president and founder of the eurasia group and gzero media. sir, very grateful to have you on the program. good morning to you. ian, can you talk a little bit more about what you mean by by g-zero and and the parallels you see between this time period and the 1930s, right before world war ii broke out? >> yeah, i call it a return to the law of the jungle, because the united states, of course, today is in a much more powerful position, both compared to its allies technologically, militarily, economically. strength of governance. i mean, you look at where south korea or germany or france or italy and canada, any of the allies are right now, and the u.s. has just consolidated power with its election in a very strong executive, but also america's adversaries. russia, in very structural and serious decline. iran having just lost its

empire in its own region, and china facing very serious economic challenges, the worst they've had in decades. this is a time where the united states has actively rejected the idea that they're going to be the global policeman, or that they're going to ensure architecture for global free trade, and certainly not going to promote democracy all over the world. but the u.s. isn't becoming isolationist. it's just becoming unilateralist and and other countries are playing defense. so that that that's what we're looking at, you know, in the in the law of the jungle, in a g-zero world, it's okay. it's actually quite good to be the apex predator. but for everyone else, it's exceptionally dangerous. and they're very vulnerable. that's why the world order feels so much more dangerous in 2025. >> um, ian, when you say in in your number two at risk, you talk about donald trump coming

back into power here. i'm curious what you think is going to be the difference between trump this time around and what we saw during his first term, and why that matters globally. >> well, i think there's two differences. there's one at home. and of course, anything that happens inside the u.s. matters globally because of the knock on effects of the world's most powerful country, largest economy. one is that trump, in his first term, didn't feel that the u.s. power ministries, the department of justice, the fbi, the irs had been used to such great extent against him, weaponized. this time, he does feel that way, right? i mean, following two impeachments, following all of the cases against him, the the the convictions in not not just investigations, he thinks that those that both his enemies in the democratic party, as well as what he calls the deep state bureaucrats inside the government, have been politicized against him,

and he intends to redress that. so that's a that's a significant priority. it creates the possibility of a new mccarthyism against people that get sideways with president-elect trump. that was not a priority in the first term. but the second thing that's very important this time around is just how much more consolidated trump's power is. remember last time he was riding the gop coattails, not the other way around. so he needed mike pence and gary cohn and nikki haley and mattis and pompeo around him. and if you were a foreign leader that didn't like what trump said, you had people you could engage with to try to stabilize the outcome. that's not true this time around. and we see that whether it's mark zuckerberg or whether it's the danish prime minister, when trump goes after you, remember he said zuck was going to be in prison, you know, so it would be investigated for all of his wrongdoings. he said, i'm going to take greenland. that makes great headlines. those things

aren't going to happen. but there's no question that zuckerberg has changed his business model in a significant way. in the first weeks before even trump is president, because he sees what's coming, because he knows who won. and the same thing is true for allies of the united states around the world. so the rule of don has much, much greater impact on others that are not directly inside that circle of power and influence than it did back in 2017. casey. >> yeah. ian. briefly. big picture here. i think that there's a general feeling among a lot of americans of uncertainty, of instability, of living in an era that is not as secure as perhaps the era that they came from, or that they grew up from. do you think that's true? >> well, it's not true in terms of violent crime in the united states, for example. it is true in terms of their vulnerability on issues like housing. but globally, it's

absolutely true. and it's funny because the big things we were talking about over the last year are in a, in a sense, a bit less dangerous. the middle east wars are likely to wind down this year. gaza and lebanon hezbollah the russia-ukraine war is more likely to end up in cease fire as both sides are grinding towards fewer gains and are tired and trump wants to end it. but but globally, if the united states is not willing to stand up for the rule of law and the global order that the u.s. itself actually led and put together, no one has led lived through an environment like that. you know, countries that are, you know, doing so well, very rarely say we're going to actually destroy, we're going to take apart piece by piece, our own global order. it hasn't worked for many of our citizens. they don't like it. they don't believe in it. and our leader doesn't believe in it. and there's nobody else in the

world that's capable of standing up for that. effectively or collectively. and and also building a new one. i mean, you know, when you're in a g-zero world, there are three things you can do. you can either reform your institutions, you can build new ones, or you can go to war. and we're doing all three. but on balance, we're spending more time and effort and energy on the third. and so when people i think, feel unnerved about why the world is more dangerous in 2025, it's not just about more countries having big nuclear weapons programs, not just about cyber attacks. it's fundamentally about that big. how does how does the world work? what are the rules? and the law of the jungle is a lot more dangerous place. >> all right. ian bremmer, so grateful to have you on the show, sir. i really appreciate it. i hope you come back. all right. coming up next here, california governor gavin newsom responds to criticism from the vice president elect over his handling of the southern california wildfires. plus, the l.a. mayor acknowledging people's grief and shock as crews fighting the

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family, as a school community. we're going to be there with them and then reassure them that tomorrow will be better than today, that things conditions will actually improve. and our kids are resilient, our kids are resilient. our workforce is resilient. >> all right. joining us more with joining us with more about what is happening on the ground in pacific palisades. cnn correspondent michael yoshida. michael, good morning. what are you seeing on the ground there this morning? >> hey. good morning. when you talk about those school closures, can tell you just up the street from me, one of those elementary schools that is closed will likely remain closed for some time. and it's easy to understand why. you can see what's left around me here in pacific palisades. street after street look like this. these neighborhoods just unrecognizable. you can really only tell where homes once stood by the. the chimneys that are left standing. we've been seeing this throughout the weekend, obviously throughout the morning. just this debris that's left behind following

these devastating fires. and at this point, we know two major fires, the eaten the palisades. they're still burning, still largely uncontained as crews have been been working throughout the weekend in preparation of those potentially dangerous winds that could be returning later today. >> all right. michael yoshida for us this morning. and a very difficult time for people there. michael, thanks very much. all right. let's turn now to the politics of all of this. california governor gavin newsom responded to another onslaught of criticism from president elect donald trump and his allies as they blame democrats handling of the wildfires, slamming the government as incompetent. on sunday. >> there is a serious lack of competent governance in california, and i think it's part of the reason why these fires have gotten so bad with respect to the future vice president. >> i didn't hear his remarks, but i would invite him, as i did donald trump, to to visit with the community. express empathy of the scale of this

tragedy and and be here for the american people that happen to reside here in southern california. >> this after trump blasted newsom and los angeles leaders like mayor karen bass last week, claiming their liberal policies have made the crisis worse. our panel is back, megan hayes, um, this is obviously this kind of disaster is a massive testing moment for any politician. this is where it gets extraordinarily real. you have seen gavin newsom try to be out front. he has, you know, videos of himself walking through the rubble, meeting with people. he did multiple national news interviews over the weekend. there's also the mayor, karen bass. um, is the criticism that they're receiving here legit? >> i mean, some criticism, of course, is legit. i'm not sure that this is the time to be having this criticism. i'm not sure how the governor or the mayor control 100 mile an hour winds and a drought, so i'm not sure exactly how they were supposed to stop those things. i also think that there has been some real misinformation and disinformation coming from the president very early on,

and some of his his friends, i guess that that spread some of this, that's some unfair criticism. of course, there is criticism here, of course, that people can always do more. millions of people are impacted by this. so there's always going to be criticism. i'm not sure now is the time to do that. and i'm not sure that some of the criticism they're getting is fair. >> but matt, where has karen bass been through all of this? i mean, because you've seen a lot of newsom i will give him that. you know, we can we can criticize him or, you know, you can evaluate how he's doing it. but bass has not been out front. >> bass has been totally mia. and i think it it look, she it's very clear from interactions from the tarmac of that plane coming back from ghana to all the way. now she is not used to these sort of adversarial or press interactions, just tough questions in public life that a lot of politicians have been through. the fire tend to get. that's number one. number two, gavin newsom. look, you know, going on pod save america over the weekend, i think was a massive mistake. and they had their own issues sending donations through actblue, the

democratic party vehicle which takes a cut of him. that's number one. number two. but also like i think there's a lot less tolerance for the kind of line of argument megan was talking about, about politicizing this on the right, because we remember very clearly desantis brought this up when kamala was trying to make hay out of phone calls during the campaign, how desantis wouldn't answer. and i just looked it up over the break to, you know, we often hear this and are on this sort of thing when we get mass shootings, god forbid, with republicans how we kind of have a very similar thing. let's not politicize this. let's not do that. and gavin newsom, on the day of one of the tennessee shootings in march of 23, and then two months later, a north hollywood beach shooting in florida, i just looked it up on x, was posting blaming desantis for certain policies on the ap's original post. and then also marsha blackburn in the tennessee one. so the cries ring very hollow to me when newsom talks about this. >> i mean, this is inherently political. you it's also why newsom, you notice, isn't spending that much time with karen bass right now. and he has been subtly pointing the finger at local officials.

karen bass has also been attacked by the fire department chief. and one way or another, i think one of the lasting images of this fire is the fact that there was not water coming out of the fire hydrants, but i think it's important, like there's distinguishing between there's legitimate criticism to make about governance in california, whether it's about the inability to bury the power lines or it's about water policy or whatever it is. >> and then there's also criticism that's happening where it's just like, oh, the die policies of the fire department. and they're two many. it's like there are too many lesbians who are working in the fire department. that sort of thing gets really mixed in there, and it becomes unclear from a viewership standpoint which one is actually going to get attacked. and it seems like over and over you don't actually see the real governance problems get changed in the aftermath. you just see the sort of facially a culture war style politics really take, take hold. >> um, meghan we do know, newsom obviously has very high profile ambitions, right? he wants to be president of the united states. no secret of that is the way he's handling this going to make it

more likely he becomes president or less. >> well, i think this is part of the reason you see donald trump and jd vance criticizing him, right? they're trying to poke holes in his ability to run in 28. i think jd vance is going to want to run. so i think there is a lot of future political ization going on here and making it hard for him. >> what do you think? i completely agree with that. and jd vance is almost certainly going to run in 2028. so in some ways this is maybe the first firing shot of that potential matchup. >> oh boy. okay. all right. let's turn back now to what's happening here in washington, d.c., where in just seven days, donald trump will be heading back into 600 pennsylvania avenue this week will begin to shape who will enact his agenda when he starts his second term. his cabinet picks are beginning their senate confirmation hearings. our cnn team writes this, quote, what distinguishes this round of confirmations is the heightened expectations that trump's picks will present not just their own expertise, but a clear and unwavering loyalty to the president elect's agenda, a public display of fealty that was not always assured during his first term. indeed, those first term

hearings sounded at times like this. >> do you support restricting travel or immigration to the united states by muslims? >> no, i do not support a blanket type rejection of any particular group of people. >> nato, from my perspective, having served once as a nato supreme allied commander, is the most successful military alliance, probably in modern world history, maybe ever. is the president elect right? is climate change a hoax? i don't believe it's a hoax. i believe, i believe we should. you do not believe it's a hoax? no. >> all right. joining us now, former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain, mark mckinnon, also the creator of paramount's the circus. mark, good morning. always wonderful to see you. those moments, they're striking to watch. it doesn't seem to me we're going to get many like it in the coming week. >> they are. it's a completely different playbook here. he's not going in with broken toys this time or he's going in with a plan. and the people that he wants this time, and he and the people he wants are saying the

things that he wants them to say. the rubber is meeting the road this week, casey. and but i do think that there there's there's definitely potential for surprises this week. there's these people haven't been grilled publicly yet. a lot of them are performers and have television experience. so that helps. and that's why donald trump picked them. but for example, with pete hegseth, it's not even clear he has a majority of republicans on the armed services committee. and some of the senators, like curtis. and in utah and thom tillis, are unhappy with the maga advertising that's been going on in their districts, because they do feel that they still have some independence. so the maga may have, in some cases overplayed their hand on this. and so you've still got murkowski and collins and mcconnell as as definite or probably knows. and then you've got a handful of other senators, some say up to 12 senators that are still potential republican senators that are potential no's. and on robert f kennedy, as you all talked about before, listen, what do republicans what is the republican base care most about? it's not vaccines, it's abortion. and kennedy's

politics on abortion are not going to conform with the republican base. so stand by for surprises. i think ultimately they probably do get through, but there'll be some fireworks this week. casey. >> yeah, let's dig in on rfk jr. for a second here because he in many ways has i mean, he may have the only sharp ideological difference with the trump base of any of these nominees. right. in the case of hegseth, we're talking about, you know, what's in his background check and his kind of personal issues. but we're not talking as much about what he believes and how that may be different from what republicans believe. this abortion. question, potentially dangerous territory for robert f. kennedy jr.. and, you know, he also came out of a meeting with senator bill cassidy, who is, of course, a physician, and cassidy's tone on that was pretty interesting to me. i'm not so sure i would go. i'm not sure i would. i'm not sure i would go so far as to call it hostile, but it

wasn't warm and fuzzy either. >> yeah, i don't you know, i think that there's been sort of a delusion among republican base. they're just excited about having a kennedy on the program and in the trump orbit. and i don't think they've really stopped to consider, you know, what his background really is and what his ideological core really is. and as i said, you know, there's nothing that the maga base cares more about on any issue than abortion. and kennedy, you know, has a long history of contrary opinions. and i think at his heart believes differently than the maga base does on this issue. that's the most important thing to them. so i expect that that could that's the thing that could really create a problem this week. >> mark, let's talk for a second about the audience of one for these hearings, which is, of course, donald trump, the president elect. right. all of these people are going to be sitting in these chairs and playing to him. what what would be the biggest mistake one of these nominees could make in terms of that particular audience?

>> well, i think you just played the clip. i you know, if i were rehearsing with these folks, i'd be playing exactly the clips that you just played and say, do not do this. just don't disagree with him. i mean, don't, don't, don't, don't offer up anything that's contrary to at least donald trump's plans. you may have some differences in the past. just make sure you don't have any differences in the future. >> fair enough. all right. mark mckinnon for us this morning, sir. i'm always grateful to have you. thank you so much for being here. >> thanks. >> all right. let's continue this conversation. matt gorman, i'm curious what you think would be because the other thing is, trump has picked a lot of people that he sees on tv, right? he wants people who can go out there and sell his agenda in a public way. and so, to a certain extent, making a communications based mistake, i think, could trip up any one of these nominees. >> true. but i guess to kind of to kind of point and maybe push back a little bit. yeah. those three people disagreed. mattis, tillerson and ryan zinke. but they every single one of them got through. and actually zinke left, got elected back into the

house. so he's, you know, elected with all of that. um, and look, i would i would kind of also kind of say on a couple of different things. you're absolutely right. every one of these needs to perform well. i think, um, the most watchable hearings will be certain. uh, kennedy and hegseth and, you know, the other ones will i think will be relatively boring. i also would just say abortion, you're right, is a factor for republicans. but if that were the case, if it was only a test about abortion, donald trump probably would not have been the nominee. he was not the most outspoken about. he would have had desantis. this time. he had bob vander plaats. tim scott was very pro-life and on and on and on. it's broader than that. i think it's more culture war. i think that is the base is looking for each of them bringing in their own way. yeah. >> if he was being this is a supreme court confirmation hearing, then he probably would lose a lot of republican votes. but this is hhs secretary. it's it might be a bit different. yeah. >> i mean, interestingly, hhs does have a lot of control over abortion policy, for instance, whether or not mifepristone or other, uh, abortion drugs are

going to be available at the same level. but most people don't think about the politics in that way. i think they think about it in a culture war angle, in which case, i think rfk has really been outside the pro-life, pro-choice kind of divide. >> yeah, maybe i spent too much time covering health care policy on the hill, which i did earlier in my career. i do actually understand just how much hhs has control over abortion policies in this country. it's actually activists are very, very, very focused on it. >> yeah, i think so. >> i just i don't think that we're going to have as much fireworks as we think we're going to have here. i think that and one more person that i would say to watch is tulsi gabbard here. but i think that donald trump, he doesn't want loyalty, he wants obedience. and i think if they show that in these hearings, they'll be fine. >> yeah. all right, guys, thanks very much for joining us on this monday. i appreciate it. thanks to all of you at home for joining us as well. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. cnn news central starts right now.