what are its fundamentals? and there are many great investors out there that say, look, there's a lot of sentiment, there's a lot of emotion, but what are the fundamentals? meaning what's the return for these 10 or 15,000 tokens. number two, it's got to comply with the law. it's got to be within something that investors trust. that's what's critical. but no, i don't think that it ultimately. was a top issue for voters in these various states. >> gary gensler, thank you so much for your time tonight. thank you. really appreciate you. and thank you so much for joining us. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. cnn news night with abby phillip is up next. >> tonight, as liberal leaders face backlash over the fires, will their handling of the crisis convert some democratic voters? >> you're going to see a lot of angry campers. >> plus, president biden sells his legacy on the

global front. but is his successors bombast selling a hostage deal? also fawning over fetterman? why is the pennsylvania senator suddenly maga's favorite democrat and. carve my name and who leather? >> seats? >> her voice has touched some of america's favorite traditions. idol football, the opry, and now carrie underwood is about to step onto the stage of a political. pastime. >> i, donald john trump, live at the table. >> scott jennings, ashley allison, john avalon, and arthur aidala americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other, but here they do. good evening. i'm abby phillip in new york. the backlash against california's leaders

is only intensifying tonight, as the demand for answers and accountability are growing by the hour. but we begin with the fears tonight of, quote, explosive fire growth across l.a. those strong winds that helped fuel the first round of fires. they are returning right now. and in the morning the gusts will be up to 70 miles an hour. and this will be a new challenge. just as 15,000 firefighters and first responders are finally, finally starting to make some progress containing these flames. but that situation has only gotten more grim. families are returning to what is left of their homes. others are desperately searching for their loved ones, dozens of whom are still missing. 24 people have lost their lives in these fires, and the governor says to expect that number to rise. tonight, we are seeing harrowing video of a couple's escape from the inferno. what you're about to see here is through their ring doorbell camera. you'll see the moment that they first spot the fire, the moment those embers show

up, and what they call 34 minutes of pure terror. >> hey, babe, i need you to come out here right now. we have a very big problem. what? holy oh, no. >> hey, we gotta go. >> oh my god. no! no, no. >> i'm gonna spray the spray. the roof. >> please, god. >> please, god save us.

save our house. please. by. >> oh, no. no their home did survive despite sustaining some damage, but their neighbors were not as lucky. >> i want to go straight to anderson cooper, who is live for us tonight in the palisades. anderson, tell us about what is happening in that palisades area that was so devastated by these fires. >> yeah, it's really fascinating. there's 5300

firefighters still on the scene in the palisades working to to make sure these fires do not come back. officially, it is 14% contained. the fire in the palisades. that may be misleading. misleading because it makes it sound like the 86% of the palisades is still on fire. that is not the case. there's not active fire that you can see. there's very not much smoke even. that's why we're not wearing a mask right now. that that you can see what it does mean is that 86% of the palisades is still not secure. and what i witnessed today, going out with a strike team in the, in the the brentwood heights area, mandeville canyon area, where there was a fire on saturday that was very active. one building burned and there was a big fire response. what you see are fire crews now all over the palisades doing very dirty, very difficult work, but really vitally important work. they are looking for hidden

hotspots underneath the soil, just underneath the soil, in the roots of vegetation. i didn't know this, that, that the vegetation may have burned, but the roots may still be smoldering. and the concern about the winds that you've been hearing about over the last 24 hours, about the winds tomorrow, is that any gusts of winds may blow away some of that ground, some of that dirt expose those smoldering, that smoldering vegetation that was under the ground and bring it up into the air. and that would be a flaming ember that then would travel and create another fire. so you have thousands of firefighters in the palisades going over every inch of ground, which is what i witnessed on this mountainside up and down these mountains. they it's like grid searches, looking at the dirt, searching for any hidden hotspots, digging it up, getting water on it. they are. they have been lucky over the last two days. wind died down winds. to be able to prepare this ground as

much as possible. search a lot of area. get a lot of water on the ground. get a lot of flame retardant on the ground. but abby, as you know, the big concern is what happens in the morning with these winds. >> yeah, exactly. i mean, this is clearly not a threat that has passed. so what is the prospect now for people in los angeles, potentially in the path of these fires that they might have to evacuate tomorrow because of the winds? >> yeah. so the the wind is, is just the big unknown here. i mean, there are estimates from the national weather service about some gusts in some areas. it could be as high as 70 miles an hour. locally. they're talking, you know, 30 miles an hour here and there. i think in 20 and 30 it, you know, and degrees matter if it's if it's above, if it's 30 mile an hour, winds sustained or 40 mile an hour winds sustained, you can't get aircraft in the air to, to to get choppers in to get fixed wing aircraft to, to drop water and retardant down. so it really depends on

what is going to happen on the vagaries of the wind tomorrow. but there's real hope, what they really hope, and certainly the palisades, is that they get another day without a lot of winds, that they can really make progress on, on containing, on going over all this ground. and then you'll see that number, that, that percentage contained really go up. but we're just going to be watching it early in the morning all throughout tomorrow. what these winds are doing. >> yeah. and anderson, you're with our colleague gary tuchman. he's with you. yeah. >> yeah i want to bring in gary. gary who's here? gary has been in the palisades all day. you went out with an old family friend of yours, right? >> when my dad was 89 years old. he met a little kid when he was a little kid, my dad named sam buckner. they've been friends for more than eight decades. they both left chicago. sam came here to california. my dad went to new jersey. they stayed best friends. sam and his late wife, arlene had three daughters. the daughters of husbands. sam and his three daughters have four different

houses here in the mandatory evacuation zone. and what they've experienced is very emotional and very trying. >> i got the real 89 year old sam buckner walking up his driveway with his daughter, jen, about to see for the first time with the palisades fire did to his home. >> this video shows what it looked like from the outdoor deck on sam's pacific palisades house on tuesday night. an hours later, after he evacuated this video from outside his house. >> if anyone knows this house, just a huge house. there's embers and it looks like there's a gas line back there. we're gonna tell the firefighters, just go slow. >> as sam walked in his home, he saw little damage on the right side of the house. but it turns out the fire raged through the left side. >> just check to your left. >> that's my office. >> that's where i work.

>> many portions inside and outside the house. destroyed. sam and his late wife, arlene raised three daughters here, and i know this all quite personally, because sam was and is best friends with my dad. they've been friends since kindergarten. that's sam on the right, my dad on the left when they were both 16 years old in chicago in 1951. >> there are people less fortunate, more ravaged, more displaced. we have a family that stays together and sticks together. and we started supporting each other. these are material things that are not as important to anybody. living things are most important. >> sam's three children and their families all live close to each other in mandatory evacuation areas. jen and her husband, damon, raised four children in their home. >> thank god our house is here. >> we're so lucky. >> damage here and her sister lori's house very limited. >> this is the only neighborhood i've ever known my whole life. i've been here for 56 years, a mile apart from my sisters and my parents. it's

surreal for sure, but it's a drastically different situation for the third sister, dana, and her husband rick, who have also come to see their house for the first time since the fire started raging. >> oh my god, babe! >> dana and rick's pacific palisades home of 32 years has been destroyed. a total loss for the parents of four grandparents of six. they are here with two of their sons and their daughter in law. >> oh, give me a hug, baby. >> oh, god. >> this is what their house looked like just a few days ago. and this is video. a neighbor sent them of the wildfires that started burning their house and taking over the neighborhood. four years ago, their son luke married brianna and the wedding party was in the house. >> be careful sweetie.

so oh my god. >> they are profoundly sad. but like sam, the patriarch of the family, dana and rick say they realize how fortunate they still are. >> we raised our four children here under this roof for 32 years, and it had magic in it. >> and they have a guiding philosophy. what do you do next? >> you want me to go? yeah, you go because she always says, are we going to be okay? yeah. and the answer is always yes. >> as for sam, you're grateful for what you've gotten. >> grateful for what? i standing here with, what i got on my back right now, and being here and being able to talk to you and being able to go forward tomorrow morning, that's god's gift. >> i think there's a lot of people who don't know how to answer that question. are we going to be going to be okay?

>> yeah. so, sam and dana and rick plan to rebuild their houses. that's what they want to do. but for now, they're staying in hotels and they know it's going to be a long ordeal ahead of them. >> yeah. gary tuchman, thanks very much. so, abby, that's the scene here. obviously, as i said, we'll be watching a lot for those winds early in the morning. and we'll be covering that all day. >> anderson. gary, thank you both very much for all of your hard work on the ground there. thank you. and coming up next, as the pressure mounts on the liberal leaders of the city of los angeles, will this crisis convert some democratic voters into republicans? my roundtable will discuss that. plus, we have more breaking news 15 months after the october 7th massacre, a hostage deal is said to be imminent. just days before president biden leaves office. but was it donald trump's rhetoric that led to a deal? we'll debate that.

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about something else. you're going to see a lot of people in malibu who may have voted blue. start voting red if their permitting. and the coastal commission and all the bureaucracy starts getting involved. >> are they going to tell the people, oh, this is global warming. there's no there's no issue here. this is all about climate change. if the politicians in california say that again, hopefully the voters in california will say, we're not going to take this nonsense anymore. >> now, you may be tempted to dismiss this as just conservatives gloating, but i think if you are a democratic elected official in los angeles, maybe in any major city, you might be asking yourself, do things need to change? are democratic voters getting fed up with what's happening and perhaps feeling like there's not enough leadership? >> well, first of all, i mean, democratic voters in los angeles voted 5% more for donald trump. >> so, i mean, you know, and we saw a 2 to 1 margin for the ballot initiative to basically

decriminalize low level crime, which was was the right thing to do. >> i think the mayor being out of the country continent during the fires, that's never a good look. you work for a mayor. if you're the mayor, you stay in town or you stay close to town. that said, the attempt to make this partisan and get political hay is utter bs this is a natural disaster. america traditionally has found ways to unite in response to national natural disasters. now we've got a wave of disinformation going across social media with a lot of bs facts trying to gin stuff up. so you want to get, you know, you know, we'll see what the rebuilding process is. but we used to be a country that united in times like this. after within a week of katrina, there was $10 billion passed in in aid, relief, bipartisan lines i had to beat because that's who we are. that's who we were. it's who we are at our heart. but we are getting spun around the axle, trying to get political points. >> john, the difference between katrina and this natural disaster. >> yeah, but this is the mayor, mayor of new orleans ended up not being covered himself with glory either.

>> right. okay. but the katrina was something that was very difficult to prevent. the surging of the waters. people think about a fire and basic things like having the right people in the right place with the right equipment and the water available to them in the reservoirs and in the pumping stations. that has to do with infrastructure. i don't know if they could have prepared for katrina the way they they should have foreseen it. this was so foreseeable. i mean, and they were just we don't have the equipment i don't want. >> i mean, look, when you talk to fire experts, i mean, they do say that no city is built to withstand five wildfires, not urban fires, five wildfires at the same time. but but i do think the undercurrent of this isn't just about the fires. it's about cities. and it's about a frustration that exists right now in a lot of american cities. and it's playing out in los angeles. >> it's about it's about what your focus is. >> i mean, the reason people in california are

unhappy is because the priorities over the last few years, over the last few decades, maybe in california, maybe haven't been on just competent governance. i mean, democrats run everything out there. mistakes were obviously made in water resource management. mistakes were made in forest management. mistakes were made and maybe budget cuts on the fire department. and so there is a question about did we vote for people who know what they're doing. and so it's not about making it partisan. it's about making it competent. and i do think if i lived out there, i'd be asking myself, are competent people in charge? because right now it doesn't seem like you definitely would. >> but but you know, the the head of the l.a. times. retweeted something factually inaccurate about that. the fire department budget had been cut $23 million when in fact, year over year it was up $50 million. >> they did have there was a 17 million. there was a 17 million cut year over year. but then a few months later, a 50 million increase. but you brought up the owner of the l.a. times. let me play what he had to say about the endorsement of

the mayor, karen bass. >> we'll accept some blame. >> right. >> so at the l.a. times, we endorsed karen bass. um, i think right now in front, that's a mistake. and we admit that. but maybe we should think about how we elect people. um, on the basis of did they actually run a job? did they actually make a payroll? do they understand what it is? and rather than having professional politicians whose only job is really to run for office. >> i mean, not not great. well, not for nothing, but i guess the the era of, you know, newspaper owners kind of staying out of the business of what the newspaper is doing on the editorial side are over, is over. yeah, those days are over. >> i think i think what's happening in california is a natural disaster. it's a tragedy. and i do think we people ran to politicize it in the first 24 hours. and that's unfortunate, because the reality is, is that democrats and republicans homes are burning. and the wind is not

discriminating against who you went in the ballot box vote and voted for if there was mismanagement in the city, which i don't know if there was or not. i think that investigation should happen. i think that the thing. but i don't think that is happening right now. they're thinking that the winds tonight are going to be worse than they were before, and we're talking about who to blame. i can't blame karen bass for the wind. neither can you. no, but we but but people are. and people are trying to these infrastructure decisions definitely. >> you know, they were made before she was mayor long before. >> john's right. the fact that she was in africa knowing full well that this was a possibility and it took her, you know, some period of time to get back after she had promised the voters she wasn't going to be doing any international travel is a major problem. i think people are looking all over the country, you know, the after the terrorist shooting in new orleans, i mean, that wasn't really a confidence inspiring local response, really, that we saw. you have cities all over the country right now that i think are doing some real soul searching about who's in charge and what kind of decisions are making. who are they appointing? what are those people being paid? are they

focused on the right things at some juncture? you just want the fire department to be focused on one thing putting out fires. and through a lot of the reporting, it seems like they're focused on a lot of other social engineering that has nothing to do with this dye attack to this that i don't, i don't, i don't buy because i think it's a distraction. >> there was plenty of times i agree it is a distraction. but look on both fronts though. right now we should be focused on on actually the common enemy, which is wildfires, which is burning city. now if you want you know the point you want. they could have endorsed ken caruso, who was a businessman running against karen bass. you know, dick reardon was a very effective mayor of los angeles not that long ago who came from a business background. but there are a lot of different. >> here's what's not there. here's what's not happening in l.a. and you're going to appreciate this more than anyone at this table. and abby's going to laugh at me, but it's a national tragedy. it's a national tragedy. and there is no one like a rudy giuliani on september 11th. there is no leader. there is no one, at least here on the east coast. i don't know what's going on on the west coast. there's no one who says, here i am, i'm in control, i'm in

charge, and this is what we're going to do, and we're going to display. there's no sense of someone who's taking the bull by the horns, comforting people and figuring this out. it's just it's it's not there. >> look, i worked for rudy giuliani during 9/11, so i appreciate that point. but i think also in this environment right now where immediately there's disinformation flowing through social media networks that cleaves down partisan lines, that is stopping our ability to be united. and we should not just accept that as inevitable. that is weakening our ability to unite as a nation and as cities. >> let me answer your your criticism by asking you a question. do you think it was uniting or dividing while in the midst of these fires for the democrats to go to sacramento and in an emergency session, vote to appropriate $50 million to trump proof california to sue the trump administration, which hasn't even taken office yet. do you think that was a good priority and a good time to do that, or no? was that dividing? was that divisive or was that uniting? scott? >> i think what sacramento does, and by the way, i think look, i think the focus should

be entirely on the firefighting. and i'm not going to go take that, you know, bait because i don't know the details of that particular bill. >> they voted they voted to appropriate 50 million to sue trump. >> there's a lot of problems when you have one party state legislatures that are increasingly run by one extreme that cause political backlash. that's one of the reasons we saw, you know, a drift towards trump, even in california that said this, trying to make, you know, calling, calling the president elect, calling the governor of a state that's on fire, you know, gavin newsom and railing against him politically and all that stuff, and is not i mean, let's call that what it is to that's part of the house. >> i have to say, has said today that he would like to condition aid to california. yes. condition aid to california. this is why you are okay with conditioning aid. >> i said it, i said it the night of this. the night that this started. i said on your show, there ought to be conditions on aid because obviously florida or louisiana is dealing with. >> that's why i mentioned katrina. >> yes. you want that aid to be conditional upon washington dictating policy. you want it in those states? >> i want it to be conditional

on knowing whether or not the state of california, in this case, is going to enact local policy decisions on forest management, on water resources management. well, let me let me ask so that it doesn't happen again. >> what's wrong with that? what's wrong with that? >> let me ask side. okay. if the democratic controlled house decided, you know what? in florida they really should not be building those houses on the water. it's climate change is happening. that aid that we give you is going to be conditional upon you preventing the building of anything along in in all those areas that are prone to hurricanes. you would be okay with that if you could if you could pass that through the united states congress, more power to you. but i'm just asking. >> you're not. hold on, hold on. i'm the lawyer here. we have rules like that all the time. you have to build around coney island in brooklyn. if you're going to build something, it's got to be built in a certain way. so you're going to get the money. it's got to be build. so it's a thank you. >> but so arthur is pointing out that that is very much something that congress could do. would you be okay with that? >> i am not for a blank check to a state that has clearly failed and doesn't know how to manage fires. i would like to

see a partnership between the state and washington so that whatever money is being spent. look, i don't live in california now. >> we're talking about a partnership. >> but but but if you but if you want to if you want us to send you billions upon billions of dollars, we need to have some assurances that you're not going to flush it the way you maybe have flushed it previously. >> i don't have homan. and yes, this is the problem. >> this is why i raised katrina at the top. because, you know, this is about the politics of the golden rule. speaker of the house from louisiana. we're going to have another major hurricane hit louisiana at some point. unfortunately, god forbid. and there's going to be a new round of flooding. and if that aid was made conditional, he'd scream bloody murder. and he should, i say, i will just say i the comparison to katrina and these fires, i think i'm not totally aligned with because the reason why what happened in katrina is the levees broke, which was not a natural disaster, but it was obviously the hurricane was the first step. >> i think people in california voted for these folks, and there will be another election. and if folks are disappointed with their leadership, then they won't get reelected again. i don't think mike johnson should be putting

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seen before. >> that was president-elect donald trump tonight delivering yet another warning to hamas as a deal for the hostages does appear to be imminent. trump has threatened to unleash hell if they aren't released by his inauguration, and all sides are optimistic now that a cease fire agreement is close. but it's a complete tone shift from where president biden started four years ago. >> the message i want the world to hear today, america is back. america is back. diplomacy is back at the center of our foreign policy. >> we could be on the cusp of a very significant moment in this incredibly long, brutal, incredibly deadly war. and i do think that all sides agree that trump's hand in this has made a difference one way or another. >> yeah, they don't want to deal with trump. he's been perfectly clear. he is not vacillated about his message that if they don't send our

people back, there's going to be hell to pay. and thank god he has been on that message and he has not wavered from it. he has not stepped back from it. and i don't really care candidly who the president is when all this happens. i just want him back. i mean, i've worn this yellow ribbon out here every night for over a year because i think there's so many families who are just devastated. they're hurting. they don't know what the situation is. and we need this to come to an end. there are americans involved here. look, i think we're going to end up paying a very heavy price in this deal. i'm sure some terrorists are probably going to wind up being let out of jail. i don't particularly like that. but to settle this, to get peace and to get our people back, i think it took trump winning the election and being clear eyed about it to make it happen. >> scott, do you think there's going to be a swap like that, or do you think trump or his people reached out to iran knowing that they are in touch with hamas? and he says to iran, you don't get your buddies from hamas to release these hostages. you know, all those those bombs that israel

wants to take you guys out. i'm going to let them have them, and israel's going to be your big problem. or you could just be to do the right thing, send them back. because i want to be like ronald reagan. and on the day of my inauguration, the way reagan said, the hostages are coming home, i want that. oh, john, he's working for one thing this time around. he's not running for reelection. he's running for his legacy. i'm just saying he's all about his. that's what he wants. that's what he wants. >> but as we as we know now, because ben barnes explained that john connally and the the reagan campaign in the 1980s were actually encouraging in the middle east, saying, don't release the hostages until reagan is in office. okay. so it's a different parallel. look, joe biden has been incredibly strong on israel and tough on hamas. syria has fallen. netanyahu attacking, you know, the head of hezbollah and hamas has strengthened. obviously, the forces of good in that region. and we do need to see the hostages released. i think the biden administration deserves a lot of credit for putting forward this plan and pursuing it. and now that both

both the incoming administration is working, maybe there's added pressure. but i think it's a mistake to say this is trump's victory. this is about getting the hostages released because it's the right thing to do. >> john. that's not the way the public is going to see it. it's not the way they're going to. >> i'm not saying let's not do that right. that's the thing. it's like maybe we come above that and it's like they come home. i think the other big important piece of this deal, to your point, is that there's peace, there's a ceasefire component to this also, because there are a lot of people in gaza that are also there. their homes have been devastated. so we need to bring stability back to that region. it is something that has definitely fractured parts of the democratic coalition. but if the hostages come home, if families, i hope they are alive, i hope they are healthy and safe. we don't know their conditions, but i don't. i agree with scott on this. like i actually don't care who's the president when it happens. >> let me go back to john on this, because i do think that we're at the beginning of a trump administration the first time around. you know, there was sort of mad dog theory that he, you know, engaged in, which is that if everybody thinks you're crazy, nobody's going to

mess with you. this i mean, do you think that there is any sense here that that actually worked here, that hamas didn't want to take the chance? no, that donald trump would do exactly what he said. >> the leader of hamas has already been killed, rightfully. right. so the leader of hezbollah has been taken out. iran is under more pressure today geopolitically, under what had been the biden administration and the netanyahu administration than than previously. so i think the whole mad man theory, which clearly was also, i think in the case of nixon, who originated the mad man theory with kissinger, that was strategic. i think with trump, it was a way of trying to create strategy around an impulsive, erratic personality. geopolitically. and look, there's no question, is he going to be tough on iran? sure. and he took out soleimani. but but but i think the idea that biden has been weak in this region is absolutely wrong. >> i want to be clear. >> i don't want i don't think necessarily this is not a zero sum situation where biden trump has to be strong. biden has to be weak. but the narrative. >> factor that trump seems to

be influencing what is happening. >> if you were iran or any terrorist with any level of responsibility, what you have witnessed is that the biden administration has tried to, at various points, put shackles on israel. you can say they've been strong on it, but they have at times tried to put rhetorical and military shackles on israel. there is no expectation that trump would put shackles on anybody, and there is some expectation that he might just get involved himself. if they don't send our people back. so i do think this was the essential element to getting this over the finish line, and i hope it happens right now. >> i think there's something about the relationship with trump and netanyahu too, that played into this, that i think we're saying that hamas was they didn't want to deal with donald trump. but it's very clear that netanyahu has been agitational to president biden and not willing to work with him as much to get a deal and donald trump and trump just shared on, shared a criticism of netanyahu. >> the reason why we're talking, i'm talking about hamas is because

in recent weeks, what negotiators have said is that they are the ones who have had to be brought to a yes on this. and so whatever it takes to get them to a yes wasn't happening over the last year. >> but but look, i have a little inside scoop going on here, okay? and all i'm going to tell you is this, um, trump is believe it or not, he has he has had people around him who are studying history. the whole greenland thing. he has looked at great presidents from thomas jefferson to ronald reagan and everyone in between. he's looking at things like the louisiana purchase that made a great presidency because. so that's how he's looking at greenland. and there's going to be resources that have somehow or another, he can pull that off. the whole thing about reagan, i know you're laughing, but people remember the inauguration. i don't disagree. the hostages are on the way home. he wants that. he wants that moment. and unlike his first administration, when he was playing to maga, he's not playing to maga now. he's playing to the billionaires who

got him there and who he wants to hang out with when he's whenever 82 years old and he goes out. so he's going to do what he needs to. he does. he doesn't want to play the truth out loud man. and look, he doesn't want to go play golf. he wants to still be in the mix like rupert murdoch. these guys think they're going to live forever. >> i think you're right. i don't think your point, arthur. donald trump has had a long fascination with like, andrew jackson. like he wants the controversial but consequential presidency. >> he's on a bill andrew jackson on a bill, a great a great nation, a superpower does not permit its people to be held and treated like this for as long as we have. >> i don't think donald trump wants to be taking over a country that is willing to permit that kind of behavior by these thugs and terrorists, and so i think that's why he was clear eyed in his statements. and i think that's why they're responding. all right, everyone, a good discussion here. >> coming up next for us, senator john fetterman has made the trip down to mar-a-lago to visit the president elect. now he is one of trump's favorite democrats. apparently, we'll

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president biden, when he ran and he came in, he said, i'm going to bring people together. it didn't really happen. trump is saying, look, i'm going to bring people together. here it is. he's a high profile, big time democrat. went to bat big time for biden and the campaign and they got they sat down. they got along. i think it's great. i don't think he should be mocked. i think both of them. i think trump and like i don't know why they gave morning joe such a hard time that he went down there to go talk to him. hey, you're the new president of the united states. i'm supposed to cover you. you're the president. let me meet with you and let's hear what you have to say. >> well, the reason they gave morning joe a hard time is because they had spent months and months calling trump hitler and fascist, but so did fetterman. and so trump, however, was a little, okay, let's let's let's play the let's play the fetterman. >> roll the tape. >> we got to roll the tape. all right. >> he's a sore loser. >> and he got smoked in 2020. and he lied. and fox news had to pay $800 million in in court because the fox carried

that kinds of lies. we're talking about all these other issues when we can't talk about the way trump has slipped. and now he is saying increasingly more incoherent things and bizarre things. it's the same sad story that he had in 20. and i'd like to remind everybody that biden wrecked his by 80,000 votes. >> that's short of calling him hitler. i just want to point out, well, short of calling him hitler. >> not a single thing there. not a single thing he said was incorrect, factually. but trump, on the other hand, had called fetterman like a drug addict. and, you know, you know, writ large. so, look, it's good to see people reaching out across partisan lines to fetterman to reach out, go there. that's fine. and and maybe appealing to the flattery to donald trump. you know, he's very susceptible to flattery if that can help us unite as a nation to find some common ground, to get some big things done, that's fine. but it would have been nice to have republican senators reaching out to joe biden, you know, and that's what we didn't see. >> so that is a good point. why does this never happen the

other way around? >> well, hold on. i mean, i thought i thought one of the big biden pitches was he passed a bunch of bipartisan. he did. he did. he did. so. so how can you say republicans didn't help joe biden when they voted for some of his stuff with you? >> because because, lest we forget, four years ago and a week the capitol was had been attacked. and we did see a lot of big bipartisan things get done because trump worked with the senate and members on both sides of the aisle to get big things done, like infrastructure, like the chip carter biden. sorry, biden, i apologize. >> i think fetterman. i don't know why he's going down there. i think he has been he was elected by a very strong, progressive base in his state. and since his election, really after the midterms, he has become more and more centrist. and that was not the way the people who elected him in pennsylvania expected him to govern and particularly go down to mar-a-lago. i do think, though, what he is doing, i don't agree with it, but i think what he is doing is he is seeing his state. he is seeing that there are pieces of his

state that he also represents, that are run the gamut in the political ideology. >> and he that's what he said. >> and he wants he wants to be reelected. >> that's what he wants, not just pieces of his state. >> i mean, look at pennsylvania between 2016 and 2020 and 2024, there's been a huge shift over toward republicans, voter registration. republicans are now a net 205,000 more republicans registered in the state than there were back in 2019. the state is changing. he knows that he is not. >> can i just say one more thing? to the point is that i think what i'd like to see someone like a john fetterman do is like what you run on, still stand by it and talk to your voters and explain to them why they elected you in the first place, not shift positions. >> so but i'd argue, actually, that this is not a shifting of position. right? i think that, you know, a lot of politics, we get lost when it's simply sort of a left right axis. what what what he did. he's from the allegheny region, obviously, western pennsylvania was a more

conservative part of the state. and what tim ryan, who ran against jd vance unsuccessfully at that time, they both were running as sort of democratic populists, but not far left. right. they were they were, you know, they were they were saying, look, we got to stand. we got to stand with the working man. we got to rebuild the middle class. but they weren't running on culture war, war issues at all that are associated with progressivism. so i think it's actually healthy to see the politics reshuffled. that probably reflects more the way people live and think than this sort of like progressive, you know, far right. >> i don't think that i think i think i say that as a centrist. >> i think they have things in common. i mean, neither of them are fully partisan ideologues. i mean, trump is not an orthodox conservative, and fetterman is not an orthodox liberal on everything. i have greatly admired the way fetterman has stood up to the fever swamps in his party. on the israel issue, he's also said some absolutely correct things on immigration that some people in his party don't want to hear. trump does the same thing. i mean, he occasionally says things that exacerbate, you know, the hardest core conservative republicans. but i agree, i do. i do think a lot of americans have views on

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>> we are back and it's time for the news. nightcap. you each have 30s to say. your prediction about this week's confirmation hearings starting tomorrow. scott. you're up. >> i will say no. drama is what i'm going to predict. we're going to have pretty straightforward q&a sessions. i think the nominees are all going to perform just fine. i don't think you're going to have big dramatic moments that are going to cost anyone their confirmation. i think if someone wants to vote against them, they probably already got their mind made up on that. and that goes for any democrat or any republican. so i'm going to predict subdued confirmation hearings. and everybody, you know, goes in and shoots par. >> mm. >> i well, people might have their votes made up, but i don't necessarily think there will be no drama as a result of that. >> there's going to be a lot of drama. and there should be because this is about the politics of the golden rule. if someone a democratic nominee for fbi director had an enemies list at the back of his book, republicans would be shooting him down and they'd be right to do so. so i think if there were secret ballot, all four of the most contentious nominees wouldn't get through. as it is, i think it will probably be

two out of four. might not get through, but the republicans are going to have to actually think about national security and country over party to do the right thing for the country right now. >> ashley. yeah, i think with pete hegseth that joni ernst is really going to take him to task because of his comments that he's made about women serving in the military and some of his history around sexual assault. and i think you might see and that she's a veteran, you also may see tammy duckworth and her kind of partner together. so you actually may see bipartisanship with women tomorrow in the hearing. and that confirmation i don't know if she'll vote for him or not, but i think so. >> yeah. i mean, look, people's minds might be made up, but that hearing is going to be uncomfortable because there are so many unanswered questions out there. and but it will be interesting to see which democrats are the ones who kind of take the lead on this. what about you, arthur? >> i would think i would agree that pete is probably the one who's going to have the biggest issues, but i would think there's been behind the scenes kind of vote counting and figuring out where is where and who's what. and i think president trump has a lot of

political clout right now. it's very different than when he came in the last time. i think people are rooting for him, people who i knew who hated him were like, all right, fine. he's going to be here for four years. then he's gone. let's give him a shot. much? it's a different vibe, even here in new york city, where i think he got 17% of the vote in manhattan, people are like, all right, let's let's see what he can do. he's not a rookie anymore. there's not going to be the learning curve. he's going to come in and hit the ground running, put a couple of billionaires who are successful folks around him. let's get it done. and i think the senate is not going to get in his way. >> do you think, scott, that there's one who might not make it? and if there is, who would it be? >> i think they all have a good chance to make it. i think there are more than one who will lose more than one republican vote, but i don't know if they'll lose the four necessary names naming some names to try. >> mcconnell's not loving the polio vaccine. >> we'll check back in with you