and this is what we came upon. i want to show you in particular, one one area that we were in watching about 30 firefighters go up and down these mountainsides looking for these hidden hotspots. take a look the battle to save homes in mandeville canyon in brentwood heights has been intense. on saturday, one home in mandeville was consumed by flames, but firefighters fought back hard on the ground and from the air. they poured thousands of gallons of water and fire retardant to stop the fire from spreading. brentwood heights, with its homes perched on a ridge overlooking mandeville canyon, was also saved. but two days later, the danger remains. around 11 a.m. monday, we found a strike team assembled. some 30 firefighters armed with hand tools, chainsaws and gas cans to run them. they're working 24 hour shifts, and there's still so much to be done.

>> we're going to push in and we're going to we call it mopping up. we're going to mop up the fire. 300ft off the line to make sure this section of the line today is contained. >> so is there already a line around the entire palisades fire? >> no there's not. there's still crews are still actively working on getting that in. this is a pretty steep country. so the hand crews are putting in a lot of work where the dozers can't push push that containment line in homan, the strike team, made up of two hand crews, fanned out. >> they carefully walked down the mountainside toward mandeville canyon, searching the ground as they went. >> they're going down right now, and they're going to stir the dirt a little bit and look for anything that's hot down there. and then if somebody finds it, they'll hold line until it's taken care of, and then they'll move forward. >> it's crazy to me that you have to go over every inch of ground in this entire. i mean, we're talking within our containment lines. >> yes. we check everything, make sure it's all out from the house on the ridge, a spotter watched for smoke. >> a sudden shift of wind. a

new fire could endanger the firefighters below. so there's, you know, there's some shrubbery here which is burnt on the top of it. there could still be embers there. >> that's right, that's right. and a good indicator is when you see around the base is all white really ashy. when it's black like this, you can tell either it's cold or someone's already been here and put water on it, but you'll see a lot of white ashy spots along the hillside. those are the key targets we want to focus on. that's that's the hidden heat that we're looking for. >> the palisades fire is anywhere from 14 to 16% contained right now. can you just explain what that means? because i think a lot of people think, well, does that mean there's more than 80% of this place still on fire? >> it does sound a little misleading. like where's the other 85% burning? it's not that i've driven around this fire for the last two days, and it's hard to find any smoke anywhere. this is the most active fire what you're seeing behind me. and as you can see, there's no smoke, no flames. we just don't call it contained yet because we haven't had crews come in and mop it up thoroughly for this

strike team. >> working down to the canyon took much of the day. given all the devastation you see, it must feel good to look over there and see those houses which you guys saved on saturday. >> it is a good feeling, but then it's you're humbled real quick when you drive these streets and you see the devastation and the unfortunate loss for those, um, it's a good feeling. but, you know, obviously everybody in the fire service wishes that devastation didn't happen. >> the work was tedious and tiring. moving up and down mountainsides, but with the chance of winds increasing, they knew there's no time to spare. and that's just one spot where we had. as i said, there are 5300 or so firefighters just in the pacific area working to try to find these hotspots. and again, the concern, the wind. tomorrow, i want you to meet kenny kane. um, kenny, your house was just over there.

>> yeah, about two miles from here. >> you have a gym in santa monica. your house was destroyed. how how is your family doing? >> our family's doing okay. at this point. >> i mean, the first inventory that you take is. is everybody safe? and we. it was pretty scary the day of. but once we all got together, that's the first thing that you just. >> your kids were in school when this happened, right? >> kids were in school. my wife got a several calls, and i was working pretty far from here. and she went to go get him, picked him up in an auditorium where the kids were screaming and she could see the fire visibly moving towards marquez elementary, where our kids go to school. got him in the car, started driving and got stuck in basically a traffic jam with just so many people did. so many people were trying to get out and, um, i think the was in her. after seeing the fire move towards the school and she

started seeing the fires jumping from tree to tree, house to house as they were stuck in the traffic jam. so she pulled the car over and got the kids out, and they ran a mile and a half back to our house. >> they ran back to the house and then and then i was coming back and one of my coaches at the gym picked, uh, my wife, the boys and our, our eight month old daughter up and got him to safety. i know you went back. you got some things from the house. you also scared off some people who were trying to to loot. >> so i rendezvoused with them. and then we realized there were still some things that were missing. and so my buddy and i decided to go back into the neighborhood. and as we were driving in, we just noticed, you know, a couple of looters at one house. we drove past that. then we got onto my block and, uh, as as we drove in, we noticed that a couple guys were taping a ring doorbell across

the street. and so we got out and we, you know, pretty forcefully got got them out of there. and i went into the house and it was at that point it was 4:00, 4:30 p.m. and the smoke, the huge black plumes of smoke just coming in. and, you know, it's one of those crazy paradoxical moments in our humanity where you've got your you're married and your wife is on the phone telling you what to get. and then i'm on the inside and it's just one of those rather comedic moments, because my buddy who was with me was shouting from the outside, kenny, the house next door is on fire. south fire! so then my wife is trying to tell me what to get and i'm like, babe, i think we need to go. and he's screaming at me like, you got to get out of here. and so we went out and put that fire out. >> your gym is okay, but you had a gym that got destroyed in the tubbs fire years ago. and right now your gym is kind of a hub for a lot of folks who have have lost their homes. how many people do you know who have lost their homes? >> yeah. so we've got 16 people as of now that have lost their

homes from the gym. another 15 or so are not completely out of the woods, but it looks like they're going to be out of the woods. they'll be displaced for some time. so it's 30 plus. people that are homeless for sure, and some with out any home whatsoever to know about and what you're going through. well, i think the the bottom line is this is what we're realizing in my gym community is that this the the sheer humanity and love that we have for each other is something that we we really, um, focus on. at our gym, we have this concept called vuca and that this idea is that the world is volatile, uncertain, complex and ambiguous. and it's like literally something that we train from a mindset perspective. and it just in moments like this, are you prepared not just physically, but mentally and emotionally. and so what happens in a moment like this is that, you know, these little micro communities step up so much and, you know,

there's some of us that have been making our way back into the gym and just starting to move again and just it's it's pretty profound because you, you. you just you, you know, you get the love of people who've been through it. and then you get the people who unaffected, just taking you in and caring for you. and, um. and, and that's this whole thing to me that, like, what i want people to know is that like that there's just so much beauty in the caretaking of human beings, and there's these micro elements of the thugs that we're trying to loot our neighborhood or whatever. and, and so there's this coexistent thing that's in all of our humanity. there's there's so much goodness and just a touch of badness. but what i'd like everybody to know is that, like, there's there is so much goodness in all of this. and despite the devastation, there's a lot of love. >> you said there's a gofundme you set up. is that right? >> yeah, there's a gofundme. there's two. one for the members of our gym and then one for my wife and i.

>> and people find that, um, they i actually don't know the one for that they set up by other people. so we'll try to put it on the screen. yeah. um, what's the name of the gym? >> the name of the gym is oak park, los angeles. >> i wish you the best. i'm so sorry. >> thank you. i really appreciate it. thank you for your time. >> yeah. um, there's a lot more ahead. i want to check in with dirk van damme just to get a sense of this wind and what to expect for tomorrow. derek, what are you. what are you seeing? >> yeah. >> subtle change in the wind direction is going to bring the most extreme fire risk to new areas. starting at 4 a.m. tomorrow morning, lasting right through the day on wednesday, we have our red flag warnings that are in place. and the hardest hit areas. remember, anywhere you see this shading of pink, that is where there is a high risk of rapid fire growth. but the national weather service in los angeles has issued these two areas, called a particularly dangerous situation. to give you an idea just how rare these are, they've only issued six of

these in the past five years, four of which have been issued in the past three months. last week's particularly dangerous situation. we all know what happened with the palisade fire as it exploded in size. so basically what this means is that the conditions are ripe for extreme fire behavior and extreme fire growth in new locations. so this expansion and consolidation of this purple area you see here, including the san fernando valley into central and eastern sections of ventura county, that's new because they're seeing this subtle change in the wind direction, bringing the most extreme fire threat to those particular areas. so what has been a northeasterly wind will be more of an east to northeasterly wind. so this is going to be crucial in who experiences the most volatile extreme potential, at least in terms of fire behavior. a fire, uh, the the fire danger there. there's not predicting where the fires will actually occur. it's showing you that the conditions there are ready for fire development and behavior. so these are the current fires. eaton fire and into the

palisades fire where anderson was actually walking with the firefighters earlier today is in an area called brentwood heights. that's within this region. and what you're noticing here is the evacuation warnings and orders with a shade of yellow and pink. those have crossed the 405. they're encroaching on the ucla campus and getting ever so close to the brentwood area here. so we'll see how the palisades fire actually unfolds here in the coming days, especially with this change in the wind direction. anderson. >> dirk. dirk van damme, i appreciate it. thank you so much. it's so fascinating to me. i mean, you think that, you know, there are not active fires burning right now, even though it's only 16 or so percent contained here in the palisades. but it's these it's these hotspots underneath the ground that are so much concern right now. and the wind comes, it'll it'll move off some of that. that dirt, that cover and something that smoldering in the root underneath some shrubbery could become an ember that goes up into the air and starts a new fire. that's what why the wind

is of such concern. and it would hamper aerial assault on, on any fire from, from aircraft. i want to check in with our nick watt who is in the palisades. um, nick, what have you been been seeing today? and hearing? >> well, anderson. >> well, you've been up there with the firefighters getting ready for the next wave. we've been down in the palisades village and it has been just eerie. today. there are 200 national guard soldiers now deployed here, along with sheriffs deputies, police officers to keep out the looters. you know, end of last week into the weekend, the police were bringing people who used to live here in because these people wanted to see if there was anything left of their homes. they've had to stop that because they don't want the danger of looters coming in here and stealing what's left. so we've seen county fire officials walking around going house by house, assessing the damage and taking photographs, uploading those photographs so that people who

can't come in can at least see if there's anything left. once they've inspected a house, they hang a little pink tag outside the house and move on. i'm looking at a pink tag just over there. there's nothing left of this house to hang a pink tag on, so the tag is on the charred tree stump that is out front. um, you know, a lot of those people are now beginning this long, laborious. it's going to be a painful process trying to get insurance, trying to figure out what they do next. um, 24 dead, six people still unaccounted for. as we wait for the potential next wave of this fire to hit los angeles. um, you know, along with those firefighters who you were with, um, trying to prepare, trying to make sure that they're in the best position possible to fight the next fire. they're also going to increase the fire patrols, anderson. so they've got eyes on anything. and, you know, the one thing that is giving me some optimism is, you know, when this fire broke out last week, there were like 250

firefighters here fighting it. you know, as you've said, there are now 5000 firefighters just on this one fire area. and they are pre-positioning getting ready for the potential next wave. but, you know, i'm hearing from people down in santa monica in brentwood that they are anxious. they are worried for what's going to happen in the night when those winds pick up again. and, you know, there's still a whole lot more fuel out here in los angeles, even in the burned areas, there are pockets. but elsewhere, you know, we had this wet, wet winter last winter, no rain in the summer. i mean, all that stuff up in the hills, i mean, people are still concerned. i mean, you know, and at a friend of mine was at church here yesterday and he said that the message was very much, you know, you can destroy our homes, but you can't destroy our community. um, i mean, i hope, i hope he's right. i hope he's right. anderson. >> yeah. yeah. nick watt, i appreciate it. thank you.

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when people don't want to leave their house under evacuation orders, they're afraid that people may break into their homes. so we are out there trying to ensure that people's homes are safe. so that's a primary mission. >> are you seeing a lot of i mean, how many arrests have you made? and for on looting as of last night, we have had a total of 34 arrests. >> but not all of them are for either burglary or looting. there are a variety of charges in there. there is a curfew in effect. i think we're going into our third night tonight of a curfew from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m., so a lot of the arrests are for curfew violations. but interestingly enough, uh, in these impacted areas, we tell people, don't come in here, you cannot come in here. but we have people that we stop. they have narcotics on them. we've had a couple of arrests where people with guns and they're in an area they're not supposed to be in. >> and in terms of the death toll and the missing, um. where

where what what are you seeing for l.a. county? >> for l.a. county, which is our jurisdiction for the l.a. county sheriff's? unfortunately, as of this morning, we're at 21 deaths. and that's at the combination of both the palisades fire and the eaton location. but currently we have search and rescue recovery operations that are being conducted. basically, what that is, is you have a combination of l.a. county search and rescue, l.a. county fire, and the l.a. county coroner's office with cadaver dogs doing grid searches in the last two days, they've searched over 900 residences, and unfortunately, they've come up with remains. so then the coroner's office processes them, and then the coroner's office has to identify and then notify the next of kin. very tragic. >> so you're essentially you divide up neighborhoods by grid and you're doing systematic grid searches block by block, house by house. uh, some

of these areas. >> yes. that's exactly what we're doing. and by the way, that correlates to the frustration from some of the residents who want to get back to their houses. and we'd like to get them back into their houses. >> but that's one of the holdups, is you've got to do these searches. >> yes. one of the holdups is that we need to do these searches. we need to do them right, so we can hopefully give the families that are waiting, uh, the news that they're, you know, the unfortunate news at times. but we can't allow people going in and out. >> do you have a sense of how much more of a grid search is? like, how long do you have grid searches ahead of you? >> uh, as of last night, when i got my last numbers, i want to say we had only done maybe 10 to 15% of the areas that we still need to do. it's going to take several days to do this and do it right. right. >> well, sheriff luna, i appreciate all your efforts. and you coming out here. i know your officers have been working around the clock. thank you. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. thank you, sheriff luna. >> with that l.a. county sheriff's, gary tuchman today

went to into the pacific palisades with an old family friend of his to to look at what this family has lost. let's take a look. >> i got the real 89 year old sam buckner walking up his driveway with his daughter, jen, about to see for the first time with the palisades fire did to his home. this video shows what it looked like from the outdoor deck on sam's pacific palisades house on tuesday night. an hours later, after he evacuated this video from outside his house. >> if anyone knows this house, just a huge house. there's embers and it looks like there's a gas line back there. we're gonna tell the firefighters just go slow as sam walked in his home, he saw little damage on the right side of the house. >> but it turns out the fire raged through the left side. >> just check to your left. that's my office

that's where i work. >> many portions inside and outside the house destroyed sam and his late wife, arlene raised three daughters here. and i know this all quite personally, because sam was and is best friends with my dad. they've been friends since kindergarten. that's sam on the right, my dad on the left when they were both 16 years old in chicago in 1951. >> there are people less fortunate, more ravaged, more displaced. we have a family that stays together and sticks together and we started supporting each other. these are material things that are not as important to anybody. living things are most important. >> sam's three children and their families all live close to each other in mandatory evacuation areas. jen and her husband, damon, raised four children in their home. >> thank god our house is here. >> we are so lucky. >> damage here and her sister lori's house very limited. >> this is the only neighborhood i've ever known. my whole life. i've been here

for 56 years, a mile apart from my sisters and my parents. it's surreal for sure, but it's a drastically different situation for the third sister, dana, and her husband rick, who have also come to see their house for the first time since the fire started raging. >> oh my god, dana and rick's pacific palisades home of 32 years has been destroyed. >> a total loss for the parents of four grandparents of six. they are here with two of their sons and their daughter in law. >> oh, give me a hug, baby. oh my god, this is what their house looked like just a few days ago. >> and this is video. a neighbor sent them of the wildfires that started burning their house and taking over the neighborhood. four years ago, their son luke married brianna and the wedding party was in the house careful, sweetie.

>> so. >> oh my god. >> they are profoundly sad. but like sam, the patriarch of the family, dana and rick say they realize how fortunate they still are. >> we raised our four children here under this roof for 32 years, and it had magic in it. >> and they have a guiding philosophy. what do you do next do you want me to go? >> yeah, you go because she always says, are we going to be okay? yeah. and the answer is always yes. >> as for sam, you're grateful for what you've gotten. >> grateful what? i am standing here with, what i got on my back right now, and being here and being able to talk to you and being able to go forward tomorrow morning, that's god's gift.

>> and gary tuchman joins us now. it's so extraordinary to see what people are going through here. >> it's really sad. and right now, all three of them, sam and his daughter dana, her husband rick, they're all staying in a hotel. dana and rick have three large dogs who are staying with them. their goal is to rebuild back into their houses, but it's going to take a long time for them and so many other people here. >> for people even figuring out what the next step is, is difficult. gary tuchman, thanks so much. as i said, we're at a staging area here where firefighters, law enforcement personnel and people are coming by. i want you to meet jay leno. uh, what you came by to drop off some supplies? >> we're cooking for the for the crew, and. well, you guys, if you're hungry, we got we got a big barbecue going. and because, you know, they're all getting boxed lunches and we figure, let's get some hot food. so it's kind of fun. i go over 1941 american lafrance fire truck. so the guys got it. >> you brought your fire truck on fire. >> it's good to have your own fire truck when you live in

l.a., and it's a 1941 1941. yeah, yeah. uh, so anyway, so we've got it loaded up and we cooked yesterday in pasadena at the rose bowl for the crew there. and we're here today and we'll be on the other locations the next 2 or 3 days. >> yeah. how, um, for you seeing this, i mean, you're a long time resident here, you know, it's it's unbelievable. >> it's the biggest natural disaster. not that 911 was a natural disaster, but it's literally on that scale. i mean, it's 10,000 buildings. i mean, you can't even if you drove all day, you couldn't see 10,000 buildings. i mean, you get on that hill and you look for miles and there's nothing. it looks like hiroshima or just some horrible thing. but, you know, the sense of community, neighbors meeting neighbors never met before and people all pitching in. i mean, i try to look at the bright side of things. it is true, though. >> i mean, you see, i mean, the sheriff was just on talking about, you know, the arrest for looters some 30 or so in l.a. county. but what you hear of

more, i mean, obviously that's an awful thing. what you hear of more is neighbors helping neighbors, people who didn't even know each other before. >> right? i mean, it's a shame it has to come to that. i mean, the last time, remember, was 911. remember president bush, we all had to get together and the sense of community for 3 or 4 days. everybody put aside their political beliefs. and who's on your lawn on a sign and all that nonsense. and it's happening here today. i mean, it's a shame. that's what it takes. >> but it's interesting you say that because, you know, next week there's, you know, the inauguration, everything. i don't even want to go back to the world of politics. i mean, what's happening here is so real and so pure and so important of people connecting and loving each other and remembering that we are all part of a community. >> yeah, i think that's that's really true. i mean, it's an entire city wiped out. i mean, pacific palisades it doesn't exist and probably won't exist the next 5 or 6 years. i don't i don't know how you rebuild from this.

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wow. >> i know she you wanted her to evacuate. i know, talk about when? when it was you last communicated with her. and what was that like, trying to to to get her to leave? >> well, actually, i just want to be clear. i didn't try to get her to evacuate at all. the problem is, is i live in eaton canyon at that time. the fire started around over there around 6:00. so i went outside and i began filming this fire. my mother was actually watching the fire from her home, but there was no adam. actually, there was not even a fire in altadena. so about 9:00, my daughter called me. she lives in altadena with my mother. she said, dad, we're going to evacuate.

but the fire is not over here. it's over there. i said, okay, so why are you evacuating? well, my husband is not from this area and is not used to mountain fires. and it just didn't make any sense why they would leave. but they did. so she told me, hey, you should probably just go check on her. i said, you know what? i will, but they're doing, a voluntary evacuations at my place at eaton canyon. but let me run up there and check on mom. when i got there, going up lake street, there was no fire, no fire trucks. everyone was moving as usual because the fire was over at eaton canyon. so when my daughter left, they still had power. when i arrived at my mom's house, the power was off. i walked in the house. it was pitch black. she had. she was in her room, sitting there with a

flashlight and another big flashlight, looking at her phone. so she said. i said, mom, you never left. and she said, yeah, they packed some of their stuff like they was moving. and she laughed. i said, i don't even see your fire around. and she said, i know we've been through all these fires all these years, which i agree. and i said, you know, you can come to our house. she said, well, didn't you just say that they're doing voluntary evacuation? i said, yeah, but at least we have power. you can come with us. she said, i'll be fine. i said, okay, are you sure? she says, god is in control. and i agreed with it. when i walked out of her house, i looked up at the top of lake street and i saw a small fire from where i was at. just looked like an open barbecue pit. so i took a

picture and then unfortunately, if we would have had phone services because there was no service, we'd have to go eight blocks down the street to get phone services. so i said, you know, i felt confident there is no fire. when i got down eight blocks, i got a call. i got a call from my wife stating that eaton canyon mandatory evacuation. how is your mom? i said, mom's is up there, relaxed, chilling because there is no fire up there. so where are we going to go? she said we can't find anything local. we're going to have to go to ontario. and i said, wow, i wish you would have told me that if i would have had service at my mom's house, i would have just stayed at mom's house because i didn't feel like fighting that. evacuation traffic. >> trevor, i know trevor, i know at a certain point you got word that your mom had evacuated and i know you thought she had. and then learned the sad news that that she had in the end, i got to

wrap it up, trevor. but i just want you to know, i'm thinking about you, and i appreciate you taking the time to to speak with us. there are so many stories like yours. we were in altadena the day of the fires. it was just stunning. and so many people are just shocked. they didn't expect the eaton fire to end up sending embers over in the wind to to altadena. trevor, thank you for for your time. um, i wish you the best and i'm so sorry for the loss of of your mom. um, there's a number of groups that are working to to try to do what they can. i want to bring in sean penn, who's got a relief organization core, which you started back in. i mean, you worked in haiti. you and i have done a lot of stuff in haiti on back in, in katrina as well. explain what you're doing with with core right now. >> well, brian lord and natalie trent and caa, the caa foundation put together a coalition. we're called. socal fire with lausd education and

the entertainment industry fund. uh, and they we're going to we were on the ground day one. uh, working in the the principal shelter at the pasadena civic center, addressing immediate needs, which is going to be cash assistance in particular. uh, which are two kind of categories of there are those who can apply and need navigation on the application. and then there are those who don't have social security numbers, uh, for various reasons, that we can then apply some of our funds to. >> so you're trying to get give, get cash in hand for, for people. because in a situation like this, i mean, they don't in some cases they don't even have their atm cards or anything. yeah. >> i mean, it just takes a slow closing of one's eyes to think about what it would mean if all of a sudden everything's gone. and, uh, so, you know, along with, of course, the emotional trauma that so the cash is a freedom to just get by day. >> you've worked in a lot of places where terrible things

have happened, and it's i don't compare one disaster to another, but just can you just talk about some of the things you have seen and heard over the last couple of days? i mean, what it's this is your community. this is where you live. yeah. >> you know, this is kind of been a worst case scenario concern of everyone in the area for a long time. we know that there are going to be wildfires in this area. um, i don't prescribe too much to the conversations of complaint in terms of reaction. in fact, i think every last firefighter we have great firefighters from cal fire to l.a., l.a. city, l.a. county and all of those that have come in. but when you have the kind of winds that that we had, i don't think mankind has come up with a solution to that. mother nature is bigger and more powerful than us. so people do make a choice to be in this area. but for the people living in, in particular, pacific palisades and altadena and so on, this is so unexpected. uh, it's sort of, you know, it's gaza west up there. i know you've been up.

it's just really something to see an entire legacy of a community, i think, of these nine year old kids who every day would meet each other on the corner on their bikes, knowing every corner and every store and shop owner, and it's all gone. and so, uh, it's it's more personal in that sense. you know, i'm very, very immediately familiar. i'm not going to have to grow to be familiar with this area. um, so many people that we all know and care about lost their homes. and thank god not, you know, the number of life lost like we had in port au prince. right? >> yeah. it's interesting. i was just talking to some firefighters up today. um, up in, uh, in the palisades area, and, and one of the things that they were saying is just what totally what they did not expect was just the winds and the the the the strength of the winds and just the weird way the winds were. i mean, there were hurricane force winds at times. so it was a fire with hurricane force winds. they generally, you know, these

firefighters are incredible. they know how fire moves. they they can tell you how it's going to move up a mountain. but with these kind of winds, they were like, we can't predict how it's going to move. >> right. and then when you do get into an urban setting, you have the wind deflection. so you have you've got things bouncing in different directions and vacuums happening. and it becomes so chaotic. and and fueling it the whole time. so uh, you know, i think if we're being if we want to take responsibility, we should start with that. there is a human impact on this climate and these these kinds of events are getting worse. >> we're putting on the screen, uh, the, the info on corps and how how people can get involved and what you all are doing. um, it's core response.org/forward/southern california. >> wildfires and the southern california. so cal fire fund, which is the coalition, the socal fire fund. yeah, that's the coalition. we're working as a team. so i think i don't

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worse. what are your what are your concerns? >> just know this. if this is an incident wasn't going on, we'd be all preparing for a red flag warning right now. >> so the rest of the county that hasn't been impacted by these fires, that's what they're up against. so not only can that flare up what we have going here, we've got a lot of people in place. they're ready. they've got their their game plan and their mission. on how to keep that from exacerbating. but the rest of the county really is ready for red flags, not even just the areas where the fire has already been that it might kick up. >> that's correct. something from the ground that would become an ember. it's fresh areas that have not been burned because they still all have that very low fuel moisture, low humidity, those high winds coming through the 101 corridor. >> santa clarita, they're all susceptible to that type of fire behavior as well. >> we're seeing a number of of actually quite a long line of police cars driving here on the pacific coast highway. not sure what that's about. you also want to talk about there are so many people. you know, want obviously want to get out and see their homes, see what happens. people have not been able to actually go physically

to their homes. there's a number of reasons for that. concerns over safety, law enforcement, concern about looting. um, there's a website that you think can help. >> yeah. recovery.la county.gov. and what's amazing about that is you can pull up that map for the palisades fire and click on the houses that have already been searched and taken pictures of, and you can kind of see the status of what your home looks like. it's invaluable. at least give you a sense of what you're up against, whether that's l.a., what is the website again? recovery.la county.gov. >> okay. yeah. >> and yeah that's uh the the i mean how overall how do you think how do things feel to you. i feel like right now we've had two days of low winds. so we've really gotten a lot of work in and we've gotten our arms around a big part of this fire. and we've set up some, some great perimeter control. >> the fact that the winds have died down for the last two days, that that's given firefighters their 5300 firefighters in in the palisades alone, alone, 500 engines, 115 crew camps, all of

that. >> so we've got a ton of work going on as we speak right now. they're going to work all night long. anytime the wind is low like this, our air assault, our air attack has just been incredible. it's been relentless. >> i mean, i we were watching them with this hat because they they are relentless and they haven't stopped. i watched it thursday and friday up around topanga. just unbelievable. the air assets just coming in one after the other after the best at what they do. >> and it's it's amazing to watch. but boy that sure has helped us. and then like the winds pick up big tomorrow. >> that's i mean that's going to be a real that's a concern. that's a real. >> so they do that by looking at the ridge that they're on and they've really taken care of that. but they look a couple ridges ahead and they start pre-painting those with fire retardant. so they're you know, in case those assets can't get up for a little while, they kind of preset themselves up. >> captain sheila kelliher, as always, thank you so much. >> appreciate you for having us. >> if you want to know how you can help, you can check out cnn.com/impact for a number of information on organizations that are doing good work here in the los angeles area that cnn.com/impact. that's it for us. the news