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>> a vote delayed but not derailed. the israeli cabinet is set to vote now friday on the gaza ceasefire and hostage deal, moving the region one step closer to peace. despite disagreement in prime minister benjamin netanyahu's government. plus, some hope in los angeles, as firefighters are getting the upper hand on deadly wildfires as winds have died down. but officials are warning that the city is not out of the woods yet and time is running out for tiktok. could an 11th hour move by president-elect trump save the app? why he may be weighing a new plan for the ban. we're following these major developing stories and many more, all coming in right here to cnn news central.
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we are watching developments in the middle east, where we're learning that the israeli cabinet will be meeting tomorrow for a crucial vote to approve the much anticipated cease fire and hostage deal with hamas. that's a vote that was supposed to happen today. but prime minister benjamin netanyahu delayed it at the last minute, accusing hamas of reneging on parts of the agreement, though not specifying which parts he was referring to. hamas has denied that allegation. this is happening days before phase one of the cease fire is supposed to go into effect. if approved. u.s. officials say they are confident that this truce will begin on sunday as planned. but one of the big questions now is what happens when phase one is over? we're learning. far right members of netanyahu's government are threatening to quit if israel does not return to war after that six week period. and we're now getting word that a likud party member, a member of netanyahu's party, is threatening to resign over a
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detail in phase one. a key detail. cnn's bianna golodryga is live now from tel aviv for us. bianna, in the middle of all of this uncertainty are, of course, the hostages and their families. what are you hearing? >> yeah, the hostage families who i continue to speak with, say, sunday cannot come soon enough. we've been in a place before where a deal seemed imminent. and then things fell apart. this is the closest, obviously, we've been to a deal since that hostage cease fire deal agreed to last november, where we saw over 100 hostages released. but as you said, the cabinet here is expected to meet, which means they are likely to vote and approve the cease fire hostage deal. but it doesn't come without a lot of other turbulence. as you just mentioned there. there are threats of resignations, as you noted, and really loud voices of condemnation about this deal coming particularly from the
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far right elements of this government. this morning we heard finance minister bezalel smotrich say that he will leave this government if after phase one of the deal, which would see the release of 33 hostages, a pause in fighting and more aid going in. if after phase one, israel does not return to fighting in gaza? well, now we're hearing that there will be a press conference from itamar ben gvir, and he is the the security director here, national security director. and he also is now expected to speak. and he's been a vocal critic about this particular deal. we will find out what he says and report that to you as soon as we do hear from him. but in the meantime, as i noted, brianna, in the crosshairs are these hostages, are their family members. and i spoke with one of seven americans, currently, the family of one of seven hostages currently held in gaza. right now, the brother of keith siegel, 65 years old, who is expected to be released in phase one of this deal, which would begin sunday and
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transpire over the course of six weeks. i spoke with his brother lee, just about an hour ago and asked him about how he feels about this deal and like so many other americans, he is would be relieved and would be very excited. obviously, to see his brother come home. but there are mixed emotions here because he is very worried about those that would be left behind. here's what he said. >> plus, genuinely, until all 98 hostages are home, i have a part of me that there's a hole. keith is going to fill. a big, huge part of that hole for all of us. our entire family. but we all know that without 98 hostages coming home, something's missing. israel is not able to get back into a routine of looking to the future, where we're in
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recovery. they all need to be home. >> and that is a sentiment shared by everyone here in israel, including the family members of those hostages that are expected to be released in phase one of this deal. you'll recall that keith siegel's wife, aviva, was also taken hostage with him and released last year after 51 days in captivity and for aviva for their family. for lee sunday and the start of phase one can't come soon enough. brianna. >> certainly can't. bianna golodryga live for us from tel aviv. thank you. and with us now is former israeli prime minister naftali bennett. thank you so much for being with us. what do you think of this deal >> well, i think most israelis have very mixed feelings. on the one hand, we're proud and i'm proud to israeli that insists on putting
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life ahead of anything else. on the other hand, we are not bringing everyone home in this first tranche of the deal. we're bringing 32 out of 98. and i have to tell you something remarkable. today i was visiting the families of the hostages, some of the families whose, um, members are supposed to come home in this tranche and some others, those family members that their their son is coming home soon. they said that they feel terrible and they won't feel whole until everyone comes home. there's such a unique sense of solidarity, and they want a deal that would bring everyone home as opposed to only a third of the hostages. also, many israelis are rightfully concerned that hamas is left standing, and this goes against one of our objectives, which is to replace hamas. hamas
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initiated the horrendous october 7th attacks and the massacre, and we made a pledge that we wouldn't keep them there. we wouldn't let them stand. and at this time, they still are there. so we're going to have to finish the job later on. >> so it sounds like you're saying it's a bad deal look, i don't want to second guess the government. >> it's an agonizing decision. and obviously there's pressures and facts that i'm not privy to. what i do want to say is that we are determined to bring home all the hostages and to keep israel secure, and the only way to keep israel secure is to replace hamas. and this should have happened long ago. but we're going to have to make it happen. and throughout the next few months, you heard and we're just reporting now, a minister in the likud party in netanyahu's party has threatened to resign if israel
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withdraws from the philadelphi corridor, which is in phase one of this agreement. >> there's also a public demand from his finance minister. smotrich's far right party for israel to return to the war against hamas after the first phase of the deal, national security minister ben gvir has threatened to resign. how does netanyahu get this past his cabinet without dissolving his government? >> well, look, the country is divided on this deal. i want to be clear. there is a majority that supports the deal. but a very strong minority. that, and i understand the claim. you know, we are worried that we don't want this sort of attack to happen again. this decision will be brought to a vote tomorrow in the cabinet. it will pass in the cabinet. the government will approve it. and ultimately, i'm looking at the material aspects we need to bring them home. we're bringing 32 hostages home, of which we don't know how many are alive.
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we hope a vast majority, but we'll see only over the next few days. we're looking at a very tough next 42 days here in israel. >> do you support smotrich's demand? >> i don't want to get into the political ultimatums of these parties. you know, it's always easy to look from the outside. would i have done things differently? yes, fundamentally differently. but now it's 14 months in. we are where we are. and the last thing i'm going to do is run around the world and criticize my own government, even if i, um, you know, i'll hold that criticism in my heart at this time. >> hamas releasing a few hostages each week for six weeks, and this would start on sunday, which i think is, uh, for people to imagine that beginning here in just a few days is really something that would, uh, take place each week
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for six weeks. negotiations on the second phase, beginning less than halfway through that first phase. what is the effect of that hostage release pattern on israel's negotiation, negotiating position, and also hamas negotiating position in the second phase, in your view? >> well, i think the process of releasing the hostages is going to be an incredibly painful one because we don't know the situation of some of the hostages, and we're praying that they come home alive and not dead. um, and we just don't have that information. and can you imagine being one of those families who was waiting to see their son or daughter and not knowing whether they're alive? and in this almost sadistic manner that hamas is playing this game? um, it's not going to be easy. what i can say is that in order for israel to start the process of recovering, we need to brace ourselves for a tough
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six weeks. now we're going to embrace everyone who comes home. it's going to be a long process of mental and physical recovery. these people have been in underground tunnels for 14 months with hunger and. um, very tough conditions, but we want to see them home. >> certainly do. naftali bennett thank you so much for your time. we appreciate you being with us. >> thank you very much. >> next, several of president-elect trump's cabinet picks spending hours on capitol hill today taking tough questions from lawmakers about what they'll do if they're asked to break the law. plus, tiktok's 170 million american users will have to find somewhere else to do their doomscrolling. if the supreme court doesn't intervene. the other apps quickly moving to present themselves as alternatives, and the wind that helped drive some of those california wildfires, well, it is dying down. and that has given firefighters a bit of
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scott bessent, who has been tapped to lead treasury and is facing questions over trump's proposed tariffs, tax cuts and plans to tackle the nation's $36 trillion debt, but says that he will not support raising the federal minimum wage and has promised to keep the federal reserve independent from a second trump presidency. cnn's manu raju is live for us on capitol hill. and manu, democratic senator mark warner says he's open to backing the senate despite some policy differences. tell us about the reaction that you're hearing from other lawmakers. >> so yeah, we do expect him to get confirmed when he comes to the senate floor in the coming week, maybe as soon as next week. we'll see. it depends on democrats cooperating to allow this to move rather quickly. but he is one of a number of trump picks who are sort of on a glide path to be confirmed at this key moment, simply because of the math. republicans control the senate. they need to keep all their members, essentially, except for if they can only afford to lose three, four would be enough to scuttle any nomination moving along party
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lines. but there are several that have bipartisan support or could get bipartisan support, including his treasury pick. now, there were some heated moments in that hearing before the senate finance committee, including over the issue of tariffs. donald trump, of course, has come in threatening to impose mass tariffs across the globe. that is something that has been major. warnings could lead to an increase of prices. that is something that the trump's pick said would not increase consumer prices. disagreeing with the belief among many that it would. and that caused some pushback from the top democrat, ron wyden. >> he basically offered up an academic mumbo jumbo to try to justify the trump across the board tariffs that are going to clobber our workers and our small businesses. >> i think president trump recognizes that there is no such thing as free and fair
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trade, especially with china. the cheats routinely and doesn't play by the rules about canada and mexico, too. well, we've got a free trade agreement with both of those. and so that any tariffs would be bound by that, we're going to trade around the world. >> we're going to continue to trade with china. we're going to continue to trade with europe, with africa, you know, unless we've got sanctions on them like russia, we're not going to trade with them. >> and those last two comments coming from gop senators showing you that they are not concerned with the trump's threat to impose these widespread tariffs, even though many of them have been opposed to the idea of tariffs and have supported the idea of free trade for many years in the past. but, brianna, this is also just shows how many of trump's nominees are almost certain to get the job. one person though, to watch out for is tulsi gabbard donald trump's choice to be the next director of national intelligence. she has views that are contradict and conflict with some views, including from the former senate republican leader, the current senator from kentucky,
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mitch mcconnell, who i just asked moments ago if he's ready to support tulsi gabbard. and brianna. he said, quote, i have not made any announcement on that yet. and that came after he gave a speech on the senate floor calling for a robust u.s. presence around the world. brianna manu raju live for us on the hill. >> thank you so much. and with us now to discuss is democratic senator chris of delaware. he sits on several committees, including foreign relations and judiciary. sir, thanks for being with us. and i wonder, after hearing from pam bondi yesterday, will you support her as president-elect trump's a.g., what did you think? >> well, brianna, i told attorney general of florida, pam bondi, in our private meeting and then repeated it in the hearing that the most important thing i needed to hear from her was whether or not she would be independent, whether or not she would protect the department of justice from direct interference by the white house or president-elect trump. and she failed to answer that in the sort of clear, forceful and
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direct way that i expected because, frankly, her predecessors, attorney general sessions and attorney general barr in the first trump administration ran into trouble with president trump when he didn't like things that they did to show and to reinforce the independence of the department of justice. >> she vowed to adhere to policy to that separation between doj and the white house. you clearly did not find that satisfactory. can you be specific about what you did not hear, what you did hear that didn't meet that bar? >> well, brianna, i will say this after yesterday's hearing and it was a long hearing with two rounds of questions, and i was also doing the marco rubio hearing for secretary of state at the same time. i've asked my counsel, my attorney, to give me the transcript so i can go through the entire hearing and make sure i'm giving her a fair shot. i did support a number of trump's cabinet picks last time where i thought
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they were qualified, had good integrity, had the appropriate policy views. for example, jim mattis for secretary of defense, he got 98 votes here in the senate. i don't think that's going to happen with pete hegseth, nor should it, given his lack of experience, relevant senior management experience, and the questions about his character with pam. excuse me, with attorney general bondi of florida. yesterday i was looking for a clear answer when i asked her if a group of career department of justice lawyers brought to you a criminal charge that's well predicated, well founded, and the white house directed you not to support that investigation, not to allow those charges to be brought. what would you do? now, i want to go back and review the transcript. but i wasn't satisfied. my recollection is of the answers i got at the time, and i want to make sure i'm being fair here. but she hedged and she hawed. she gave clear and good answers to my first two questions. can president trump run for a third
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term? no, she said, as a matter of constitutional law, who's your client? the people of the united states and the constitution. good answers. so i do think this is one where i'm still considering and want to make sure that i review exactly what she said in that hearing. there are things that were positive about her record working on criminal justice reform, working on combating the fentanyl and opioid epidemic, and working to combat human trafficking. so i do think this is a close call separately. >> and turning now to the hostage ceasefire deal, you've praised this deal, which now se through after some delay. that's what we're hearing from many sides. do you have any concerns about it? >> well, i am relieved, grateful that after months and months of hard work by president biden, by secretary blinken, by his whole senior national security team, that we seem to be on the cusp at last of a ceasefire in gaza, of the
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release of american hostages and hostages from many other countries and backgrounds, and the delivery of humanitarian, desperately needed humanitarian aid into gaza. i think it's particularly notable here that the incoming special envoy for the middle east, stephen witkoff of the trump administration and the outgoing special envoy of the biden administration, brett mcgurk, were at the negotiating table together to make sure there wasn't some break here in the transition, because the next administration will have to implement it. my concern is that there's still a lack of certainty and clarity about phase two and phase three of this deal, and how it will be implemented. these families with whom i've met several times, the families of hostages, in particular american hostages, have waited, have suffered for far too long, and it is long past time for them to come home and for this war in gaza, and for the suffering. the palestinian civilians of gaza to come to an end. >> you told me back in october, the end of october, just before
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the election, that former president trump will do nothing to constrain prime minister netanyahu in terms of his chosen direction of imposing harsher and harsher consequences on the palestinian people. this deal, though, is a framework that president biden actually put forward in may of last year. netanyahu did not agree to it, though, until trump's incoming team joined the negotiations. is that in itself a constraint, though, on netanyahu's prosecution of this war? >> well, i'll put it this way. president-elect trump has said that he wants the war in gaza over. and i think that's been constructive. i think that's added pressure to the finalization and realization of this deal that the biden team and president biden worked so hard on for so long. i don't know exactly what president-elect trump will do with regards to taiwan, with regards to ukraine, with regards to the palestinians of the west bank and gaza. he's said a lot of different things in the course of his campaign
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and if anything, from his first term as president was true, it said he was unpredictable. as you may remember, beginning with a terrifying series of threats to unleash fire and fury against north korea, trading threats of potential nuclear war with kim jong un only to flip 180 degrees and exchange love letters and try to negotiate with him personally. so president trump is unpredictable in terms of exactly what he's going to do next. >> we'll see soon enough. senator chris, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> and we're looking forward to seeing where you ultimately land on pam bondi. now, just in to cnn. rudy giuliani and his son andrew have settled a lawsuit with two georgia election workers that he had defamed. this is a trial that was set to determine ownership of some of giuliani's most valuable possessions. and katelyn polantz is with us now. ari, what did they end up agreeing to here? >> we're just getting details on the terms of this settlement, but don't have a full picture of it yet. what it means is rudy giuliani's court
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fights with ruby freeman and shaye moss. those two georgia election workers, mother and daughter, that he defamed after the 2020 election. the court fights are over. that's what the proposed terms of the settlement say. according to a court filing, they don't give much more detail there. they had one $150 million jury award from giuliani. they've been trying to collect on that and they've been winning. they've been getting possession of property of his luxury watches a car collecting all of it. today, they were set to go to trial over four world series rings that are worth tens of thousands of dollars, that giuliani and his son had, as well as a florida condo that he lives in worth millions. really close to the water down in palm beach. and what both sides are saying is that he gets to keep all of his possessions. giuliani, on the social media platform x, said, i'm satisfied with and have no grievances relating to the result we have
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reached. i have been able to retain my new york co-op. that's $6 million, and florida condominium $3 million, and all of my personal belongings. no one deserves to be subjected to threats, harassment or intimidation. this litigation has taken its toll on all parties. the whole episode was unfortunate. i and the plaintiffs have agreed not to ever talk about each other in any defamatory manner, and i urge others to do the same. and then we got a statement from the plaintiffs here, ruby freeman and shay moss, saying the past four years have been a living nightmare. we fought to clear our names, and then they say we've agreed to allow giuliani to keep his property n how this deal came about when he's inknow. but it's over. all ofs.e don't know where it comes from because he's broke, he's broke. >> he has a >> wow. >> so there's a lot to move on with their lives. they both
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want to move on with their lives. and they say, we have a settlement. no trial. we're resolving everything else. and what we know in court is they say to the judge, we have terms of this settlement. and there was that jury finding a year ago, $150 million for the the harassment and and the damage he did to these two women. >> i did not see that coming. did you see that coming? i didn't we did not see that coming. all right, caitlin, you see everything coming. >> it's always a surprise. >> yeah. that was that was kind of surprising. caitlin, thank you so much. we do appreciate it. the deadly and destructive wildfires in california have not grown so much over the past 24 hours. really good news here. this has given firefighters a bit of a reprieve here heading into the weekend. however, there are dangerous winds in the forecast. they are going to be picking up again next week. we have a live report from california. >> after a big comeback. donald trump begins his second term. history unfolds live on cnn. join jake tapper and anderson
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reprieve right now. >> right. and the fires have not progressed. they've been able to contain them. what they're doing is looking for hotspots, looking if there's any routes that are on fire inside those areas, making sure everything is completely safe before totally knocking these fires down. but they've made ground on them. that's the good news there. but still, you've got more than 82,000 people who are under evacuation. they have to be evacuated. and more than 90,000 who are under warnings still, as they're dealing with this. and some of this i know is very hard for the residents who want to get back into these neighborhoods, but they're saying it's going to take at least another week. and at the eaton fire, where the majority of the missing overall, there's 31 missing and there's 24 missing at the eaton fire. so the majority of missing are there, and they're saying they're taking their time because they are places where they think there may have been people who lost their lives, and they want to be delicate about making sure and handling recovery there. so it's a long process, along with the fact that you look at all this, look at all this
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drama and destruction right here on the street near the center of the downtown area of pacific palisades. so cleaning this up is also going to take a long time. in fact, take a listen to a representative of the environmental protection agency, talking just about that. >> the u.s. epa has been tasked by fema to conduct phase one household hazardous materials removal in the burn footprints. we will we are beginning this work today. we have personnel on the ground in both the eaton and palisades. footprints, conducting assessments. we're working closely with state and local agencies to conduct this work. and the initial phase of household hazardous materials includes removal of the most. immediate risk to public health and workers returning to work within the burn footprint. >> and that is part of the
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reason why they're saying we should still wear our masks out here, because we are amongst all of this debris that's out here and how long it's going to take. the other concern from officials is the chance that while it's dry january here and we haven't had any precipitation in months, february is usually the wettest month. and so if we do get some precipitation, those hillsides up there all around, once the water falls, it could become a mudslide and take out property like we saw in the thomas fire up in montecito in 2017, 2018. so there's a helicopter going by. but that's part of the concern. and then also, even if your house is still standing like this one, brianna, all of your infrastructure may not be working. so even for people with homes, there's still a lot of questions about how this will how long it will take for them to be able to get back in here and begin to put their lives back together. >> yeah. no, we heard that about people over in altadena. some of them managed to get back into their homes, but no water, no power, and eventually they had to leave again. stephanie elam live for us from
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shou chew is expected at the inauguration. cnn business writer claire duffy is with us now. claire, talk to us about these tiktok alternatives. >> yeah, brianna, what's so crazy is we're just, as you see there, just a few hours really away from this ban. >> and it's still so unclear exactly what's going to happen with tiktok. but what we know is that users are really feeling that uncertainty, and they are seeking out alternative platforms. we've seen a bunch of tiktok clones really surge on the app stores this week, and i want to talk about three of the big ones the biggest, the most popular this week by far is a platform called rednote. this is a china based, tiktok like platform. it has short form videos, and many american users are joining. even though much of the content on that platform, including the terms and conditions, are in mandarin. this app has seen huge growth in the past few days. 700,000 new users in just two days, and many chinese users are welcoming american users over from tiktok, offering to teach them mandarin. i think we have a good clip that we can play that really captures the vibe on the platform. recently, dear tiktok
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tiktok replacement 1.4 million. >> wow. all right, claire, thank you so much for that. let's get some more perspective from theresa payton. she was a chief information officer in the george w bush administration. she's now ceo of fortalice solutions. okay, theresa, for young people who love their tiktok, i mean, love their tiktok. and you're well aware of how much they love it, but they just don't get why china having their personal information is such a big deal, or being able to have influence over them with this algorithm, potentially explain it. >> i mean, they're young and so they don't have the experience of understanding that if i really can understand your patterns of life, that i can probably using software algorithms like the one in tiktok and other social media platforms for that matter, i can with pretty good certainty, predict what you're going to do next. probably even more accurate than you can for
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yourself, because i'm looking at your patterns of life, and algorithms can collect those patterns of life. now, the question here is what exactly does tiktok have access to now that they've implemented project texas? that was the work that they kicked off in 2022 with usa based oracle company to actually separate american data from the rest of the implementation of tiktok. so the question remains, what do they still have access to as it relates to u.s. citizens? >> and i think the key is that clearly, u.s. officials don't have full confidence that it can be sectioned off. and are they correct in that sentiment? >> i think this is a very interesting question that you're asking here. and you're right, it is a little difficult to quote, look at a system. you know, it's not as easy as
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looking at hardware, looking at something physical, but one of the things they can do is they can do a site inspection of the usa oracle implementation. and as part of that site inspection, make tiktok usa run through the algorithms and show them how data is collected, where it's stored and how things run. they could even do something that's called a red team. they could ethically hack that installation. doing that site inspection and see what kind of results they get. but it is tougher to do sort of a cfius review, if you will, that controlled foreign intelligence. you know, looking at how things actually work. it is tricky to do on systems. but it can be done. >> so let's talk about national security threats and kind of what's worse here. on one hand you just heard us talking about other chinese apps that people are gravitating toward. on the flip side, there's this question of what is president-elect trump going to do with tiktok once he
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gets back into the white house? what if he delays the ban? what if he keeps it up? which has more of a national security risk, in your view? >> well, what i would tell americans who are looking at different platforms to use just because the platform hasn't been named as part of a banned under cfius, doesn't mean that it's safe and secure. it just means it hasn't been reviewed and there hasn't been sort of a finding issued against that particular platform. so it doesn't mean that it's safer or doing more to protect your information. um, the next thing that we have to look at is, you know, we're really literally coming up against the clock. we're sort of, you know, are we going to have a buzzer beater moment here because it expires on the 19th, which means on the 19th, tiktok should shut itself down unless they're willing to take on potentially a kind of legal fees and fines. and then internet services providers are supposed to block traffic. and
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then the phone app stores are supposed to block downloads. those are all things that would have to happen on the 19th. the new administration is sworn in on the 20th. so even if there was some type of overturn of the ban, there is sort of this no man's land of one day. so the question is, is does everybody ignore the one day and potentially take on a legal battle, a regulatory battle? um, would the biden administration say, you know what, we're just going to we're going to give a one time 90 day delay and let the next administration take this over. there is the opportunity they could potentially do that. or will the supreme court speak up, or will they let the time go by? they just had a hearing on this on friday. and but they're you know, they're not going to be rushed. but they could say, you know what? we're we're not going to allow the ban to take effect until we have time to properly deliberate this case. there's so many unknowns here at this point, i have no idea until
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resolved. and we're hearing a lot of optimism that that will go forward. but as the deal does move forward, netanyahu is facing a political crisis that could threaten his grip on power. far right members of his governing coalition are vowing to quit over key details in the ceasefire and hostage agreement. we have cnn's jeremy diamond live for us in tel aviv. jeremy, tell us where things stand right now. >> well, brianna, today was a day filled with uncertainty. >> it began this morning with the israeli prime minister's office saying that hamas was making last minute demands and that the israeli security cabinet, which had been scheduled to vote this morning to approve this deal, would not convene until that those issues had been resolved. it took another eight hours until we learned that those issues apparently had been resolved, and that the israeli security cabinet would instead now convene a day later. so tomorrow morning. but in the background of all of this, beyond the issues that may have been happening in doha over the
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implementation mechanisms of this deal, the israeli prime minister is still wrangling with his political allies, the far right members of his coalition government who have been keeping him in power through one controversy after the next. throughout this entire war in gaza, and now are threatening to bolt from his governing coalition if he moves ahead with this cease fire agreement. we heard tonight from itamar ben gvir, the national security minister. here's how he described the deal as he threatened to resign. >> he. scott, this deal multiplies the motivation of hamas. >> this deal teaches them that they can take hostage and attack. and at the end of the day, they can get what they want. >> and brianna ben-gvir has said that he will definitively leave the israeli government if this cease fire agreement is approved. in that cabinet
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meeting. bezalel smotrich, another far right member of the government, he has been less definitive so far. what he has said, though, is that he will only stay if the israeli prime minister can offer him assurances that the war in gaza will resume after phase one of this agreement, meaning six weeks of ceasefire, not a day longer. which, of course would sabotage phases two and three, which was the intention of the biden administration in negotiating this deal, that ultimately the six week ceasefire might evolve into a permanent end of the war and the return of all of the remaining hostages still being held in gaza if ben-gvir leaves. netanyahu only has a two seat majority. if smotrich leaves, that removes the israeli prime minister's governing coalition, and he would either need to reach out to the leader of the opposition, yair lapid, who has offered him a safety net to stay in power to see the implementation of this ceasefire through. or he would have to call for new elections. and then his fate as prime
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minister would be very, very uncertain. brianna. >> yeah, it's a very interesting time. jeremy diamond, thank you so much for that report. this deal calls for an initial six week ceasefire, during which hamas has agreed to release those 33 hostages in exchange for about 1000 palestinian prisoners held in israel. with us now is eyl keshet, his cousin, yarden bibas, jordan's wife shiri, and their two young children, kfir and ariel, were taken hostage by hamas on october 7th. you have seen their faces. kefir was less than a year old at the time, and he is going to turn two on saturday. thank you so much for being with us and just tell us your reaction when you first heard news of this deal. >> um, so it's very mixed feelings because, uh, there have been so many almost deals, uh, in the last year, in the last 400 days that i, that i'm
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afraid to be hopeful because, um, i think that the government is, um, too greedy with its demands and, uh, it's very easy to make the deal fall. so, uh, while i am very anxious to see it going well, and i'm. i miss my family so much, and i so want to see them again. i'm so afraid of being disappointed again. and the first test would be on, uh, on the next, uh, on the coming sunday. i'm really anxious to see what's happening. >> yeah. it is. it's hard to believe it's just a few days away here. and, alon, you've gotten a lot of mixed messages because hamas had claimed many months ago that shiri and the two boys had been killed inside gaza by an airstrike. the israeli government was not able to confirm that, um, hamas never released any evidence or proof
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of it. how do you prepare for this when you really aren't sure what you're preparing for? >> um, this is a it's a very good question and one that i struggle to answer for myself. um, i'm i it's very hard to be optimistic. um, and yeah, we got very mixed messages, and there have been no confirmation or denial about this. so, um, all i can do is just hope for the best. and, um, at least for then, my cousin, um, we do believe that he is alive. a few months ago was the last sign of life for him. and as for shiri and the boys, i just. i just pray they're okay. i just i don't know what else to say,
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but i just. so, so hope so much hoping that, um, that they will be okay. >> there's. i think there's something about these babies and this family that has gotten a lot of attention because people have seen them, um, they're so they're so adorable and they're so young with so much life ahead of them. and i just i just wonder how you have gotten through and how your family has gotten through this time um, i don't i don't have a i don't have a silver lining to provide here. >> it's just been a nightmare. um, we're thinking about them all the time. we're afraid about their well-being all the time. uh it's it feels like
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something of out of. i don't know, like barbarian medieval war or something. it's something that no one could ever dream or think that it could happen. and especially for such young children. and, you know, children have this energy. uh, they have this lively energy. and they're smiling and they provide so much joy when they're around. and right now, like in family gatherings, they are really missed. they're really missed. and and. i still i and other people in the family, we we still can't. um, wrap our heads around like the fact that they're just, they're just missing. they've been just
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kidnaped. they were just they just disappeared. and, um, and, uh, it's really hard, like thinking about what they are going through. we know of the dire conditions that hamas have been keeping hostages and the physical and mental ailments for those that did return. and, uh, and especially for fear that he's a baby. most of his life has been in, in terrorist captivity. i'm just i'm really afraid. i'm actually afraid of the day that they will come back. because i don't think you can come back. the same person you were before. and and for for us, it will be just the beginning of a very long process to heal. um, and things will never be the same. >> and do you feel like you have support in that? there, there are other families who
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are facing this also unfathomable path forward. they're facing uncertainty. they're facing um, the idea of trying to construct a life again for their family members after release, after being hostages for so long. do you feel like you have support within your community to to deal with that? ellen. >> um, i do, i do. um, uh, the the family forum is i don't know how many people around the world know this, but the family forum that supports the families is actually all volunteers. it's just the israeli community coming together from all parts of israel and doing and working 24 over seven for more than a year now to not only push for bringing them back, but also for supporting the families,
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showing empathy and catering to to different needs. so, um and yeah, and i'm also personally very lucky to have lots of friends and family and an amazing workplace that, um, i do really feel supported. and i know that no matter what happens, i got so many people to back me and to say, do whatever you need to do. um, we'll be okay. um, every everyone, i think everyone, almost everyone in israel is very joined in, like, um, in the empathy towards the families. so, um, i guess on that front, i can, uh, i can feel a little bit better. >> yeah. um, ellen, i am praying for you. we will be keeping an eye out of this vote. and here in the coming weeks. um, and thank you so much for being with us and talking about your family. >> thank you for having me.
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>> both president biden and president-elect trump are taking credit for getting this deal through. but really, it was an unusual collaboration between the two. we have cnn chief national security correspondent alex marquardt with us now. um, it really is an interesting sort of collaboration here. what have you learned about it? >> it's unique. >> they've been calling it historic and fruitful. i mean, normally, brianna, as you know better than i do, there's an administration that's in office. they hand off the issues to to the next one. but this was an overlapping situation where as soon as president trump got elected, his middle east envoy, steve witkoff, got to work helping out the biden middle east team with this as well. the biden point man for the middle east is brett mcgurk. the two of them traveled separately and then together to the middle east, to qatar, to israel. the last few days in the lead up to this moment. they have held meetings together in doha. steve witkoff was in the room yesterday with the qatari prime minister when all of this was
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announced. so there is no doubt that the election of donald trump certainly helped get this across the line. you know, there's some discussion about who should take more credit. we saw the president yesterday after his comments say, is that a joke? when he was asked that question? but his aides, secretary blinken today, for example, saying that the role of president trump and his team was very important. i mean, there's there's there's no question that this was biden's framework that he rolled out some eight months ago. i think i was on set with you when they were doing that. and clearly that hasn't hasn't gone anywhere in eight months. >> he gave the the presser at the white house. >> exactly. he laid out the three different phases. it was then endorsed by the united nations, but his team hasn't been able to get it across the line. a lot has changed in those last eight months. there's been a lot more pressure on both hamas and on israel. and then president trump got elected. there was suddenly this deadline for the biden administration to try to get something done. and trump had said very clearly that he wanted this war to end before he took office. and so there
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was also pressure on the israeli, qatari and egyptian governments to to please the incoming administration. so that certainly had an impact. but now this is going to go into effect right before trump takes office, and it's going to be on him to carry it through and oversee it. certainly. >> and i'm sort of struck just because, having interviewed eylon keshet, the cousin of the the father of a family who has really become such a symbol of what happened on october 7th. i mean, these families look at what we were covering eight months ago, and it's largely the same, and it's hard to fathom their frustration at the idea that it's something largely the same. and here another eight months has gone by. their loved ones have been in in captivity. and it's the same thing. >> how much suffering could have been avoided on both sides had this actually gone into effect? you heard mr. keshet there talking about the
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netanyahu government being greedy. there was intransigence on both sides between israel and hamas changing terms, moving the goalposts, getting to an agreement, backing away from an agreement. it was i can't count the number of times that i've talked about how close this deal was, because that's what u.s. officials were saying inside the ten yard line, 90% done. i mean, all of these things. and then it just it never materialized. and i cannot imagine the anguish that all of these families and populations went through. so this has to be a moment of relief. we we've seen celebrations in both israel and in gaza. you have tens of thousands of people who have been killed in gaza and many, many thousands more. certainly they are hoping that this war is coming to an end. you have at least 33 families that are going to be getting their loved ones back. and and in some cases, the remains of their loved ones back. but then there are going to be 60 more
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families that are waiting for hostages who will still be inside, even if and it's a huge if, brianna, this phase one goes according to plan over the next six weeks, and those negotiations for the second phase to get that last batch of hostages out and for this war to finally end once and for all, those should get underway in about two weeks time. but there is so much that can that could go wrong in all of this. yeah, exactly. >> so much suffering in gaza, in israel. alex, thank you so much. really appreciate it. it's been a rapid round robin of confirmation hearings on capitol hill this week. ahead, how president elect trump's cabinet picks are looking when it comes to getting approved. we are live from the capitol next and then later all the drama surrounding it ends with us. isn't coming to an end anytime soon. actor justin baldoni just filed for hundred million dollar lawsuit against blake lively and ryan reynolds, and these are live pictures of president biden honored at the
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trump's pick for secretary of defense, pete hegseth. let's go to lauren fox. she has been talking to lawmakers on capitol hill. and what are they telling you? lauren? >> yeah, i mean, what we have seen today is really a slew of confirmation hearings that went about as expected. you had earlier today, scott bessent come before the senate finance committee, and you saw some democrats sparring with him about what trump's tax plan might look like in the future. you also had republicans who were really making clear what some of their priorities were. in the second trump administration. but bessent isn't someone who we are watching closely because even if he couldn't get a single democratic vote, he could still get through with a republican votes. those other nominations that you mentioned. those are the ones to still keep an eye on now. look, the the secretary of defense position and pete hegseth nomination, it has obviously come a long way since he was initially nominated just a little over a month ago. in fact, you saw this week he got
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a lot more support after his nomination hearing, including from senator joni ernst, who had been on the fence previously. still, we are waiting to see what people like senator susan collins do. she has said that she wants to spend the weekend watching his confirmation hearing. she has not made a decision yet. we're also watching senator lisa murkowski, as well as senator mitch mcconnell. and there's other controversial nominees who are expected to come before committees for their own confirmation hearings that we haven't heard from. tulsi gabbard, who has been nominated for dni, she still does not have a scheduled hearing before the senate intelligence committee because of delays in her paperwork. it's not clear whether or not she's going to have the votes to get out of that committee. it's also not clear what's going to happen with rfk jr.. s nomination. so those are just a few of those nominations that we're still watching, despite a big week of confirmation hearings this week on capitol hill, there's a lot more to look forward to. brianna. >> all right. we will look forward to that with you.
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lauren fox, thank you so much. and with us now we have cnn senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor elie honig and cnn contributor and former nixon white house counsel john dean. uh, elie, i wonder what you thought of how this hearing went. >> well, pam bondi is going to be the attorney general. >> i mean, there's almost no question about that. i do think, though, she sent some mixed signals. i mean, on the one hand, she proclaimed that she would run an independent justice department. on the other hand, she did not disavow her prior statements that she would prosecute the bad prosecutors. she did not. she was unwilling to say clearly that donald trump lost the 2020 election. so i think we have to wait and see. she's going to get through. my question is, is she able to sort of put that wall up that needs to exist between the president and the justice department? she said she would. and we'll see how it plays out. >> exactly. she said she would, john. she said that she would follow doj policy to limit contacts between the white house and the department. what did you make of those assurances and her testimony overall?
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>> i think it was smart of her to take that position. she would have been in much greater jeopardy if she is in jeopardy at all, had she not taken that position. uh, brianna, when i look at the department of justice, i realize how difficult it is to politicize that agency. of all the agencies, there are about 10,000 lawyers in that department, some of them spread out throughout the united states, in the u.s. attorney's offices. and they take an oath before they even get in that job to the constitution to get their bar license. they take another oath when they become a member of the department of justice to the constitution. these are not people who are political by nature. they're so this department is not easy to politicize. >> yeah. they're so committed to the law. and we've seen that play out time and again in some of the testimony of these
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folks. i do want to highlight, john, what the actual justice manual says. and this i do want to be clear, as miralax merrick garland's latest version, though, there have been many and they're kind of similar. quote, the justice department will not advise the white house concerning pending or contemplated criminal or civil law enforcement investigations or cases, unless doing so is important for the performance of the president's duties and appropriate from a law enforcement perspective. how much work can that word unless do there? does that create a big loophole in your view? >> it's a potential loophole. it's a potential abuse. uh, you know, it takes goodwill to enforce any law and to do it properly. i've got to say, i happen to be responsible for those whole all those codes and regulations that have come post-watergate, because what happened is nixon called over
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the head of the criminal division to find out what i was going to do when i broke rank. and those are the tapes that resulted in the subsequent attorney general levy first giving a number of speeches, finally doing a memo, and eventually getting into regulations. and i think it's smart. >> i wonder, ellie, there's and thank you, john. we all owe you a thank you for that manual. >> everything about john dean. he lived history. and now, you know, a generation later, it guides what we do. >> i hope they credit you in the preface. um, i do. i am curious, though, how how you see this all playing out in practice. practical in the practical way. because assuming she is confirmed, as she's expected to, there's this sense of the attorney general kind of has to play a little bit of ball with president trump in order to stay at least enough off the you know what list to keep their job. so how do you
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see that playing out? >> we have some history on this, right. both jeff sessions and bill barr at times did not carry out donald trump's worst wishes, but at times when they were punished for that ultimately. right. they were both ultimately dispatched for failing to do donald trump's bidding. i'm glad we raised the justice manual. i think it's a perfect example of the principle here. it's a booklet. we used to have it on the corner of our desk. it was like, yay, thick. now it's online. and like the passage that you put up there, there's always a little bit of play that unless. and you really just leave that to the individual judgment of prosecutors. and john's right. i served at doj half the time under a administration, half the time under democratic. it didn't make a difference to me on the line, but it absolutely i mean, it absolutely makes a difference who the attorney general is. what if donald trump says, i want an investigation of liz cheney? i want an investigation of jack smith. that's not going to be decided by someone who is what i once was, someone working on the line doing trials. that's going to be decided by pam bondi. and that's going to be the litmus test for her. >> and if someone goes along
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with it, who are you? someone who is a you. yeah. >> well. amy, amy should refuse to do that. but ultimately, it's important to understand the a.g. has so much discretion, so much power, that if pam bondi says, i'm going to do that, there's there are guardrails down the line. there's grand juries and judges and juries and appeals, but there's no one who can stop her from opening investigation. that in itself can have a real cost. >> yeah, that's a really good point. ellie, thank you so much, john. thank you so much for being here and for the manual. we appreciate it. still to come this hour, firefighters in los angeles are holding the line. mother nature, thank goodness. giving them a much needed break. we're going to talk about when residents may be allowed back into their neighborhoods to survey the damage. >> this park changed my life. >> superman. crazy. >> just that simple little thing over the horse. >> chris wanted to change the world. >> people are literally walking because of him. >> super man. the christopher
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imagine, so many emotions here. >> and we've seen a lot of that at this checkpoint where people are driving up, people are walking up just really wanting to get inside. but there is incredible safety concerns. so we actually went inside and we were driving around. and you know, you really see at pretty much every single block, you have utility crews working to restore power, but also repair some power lines. so many that were damaged that are just dangling. and so they're working on that. there are a lot of other hazards. there's a gas line issues. there are toxic. there's toxic ash in the air that the epa is going to be contending with. they are actually sending in their personnel to both of the fires, and they're having crews kind of sift through some of the toxic waste to try and clean some of that debris up. we even saw firefighters who were just cleaning up some of the mess, just to make sure that when people are able to get back in, they'll be able to navigate the streets because there's a lot of downed trees that they have to, you know, contend with and, and get those out of the
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and extortion. baldoni alleges they and others tried to hijack the recent movie that he directed and costarred in with lively, it ends with us, and sought to quote, destroy him. cnn's elizabeth wagmeister is following this. elizabeth, tell us what you're learning. >> so, brianna, this is a legal mess. >> i mean, this is an all out war by hollywood standards. and this is just the latest lawsuit. lawsuit in an escalating saga between justin baldoni and blake lively. so let me take you back first. so blake lively, she first filed a civil rights complaint back in late december, alleging that she was sexually harassed by justin baldoni on the set of their film, which is called it ends with us. and in that complaint, she said that after she raised her concerns over sexual harassment, that then she was retaliated against and that justin's team ran a smear campaign behind the scenes to ruin her reputation, while then blake lively, she did end up
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filing a lawsuit against him. so, you know, advancing that civil rights complaint. well, justin baldoni, he then sued the new york times for $250 million because the new york times was the first to report on this lawsuit. his team claimed that the new york times was essentially in bed with blake's team, while the times denied that now we have this expected and long awaited lawsuit against blake lively, and not only against her and her husband, ryan reynolds. in this suit, which he is asking for $400 million and demanding a jury trial. justin baldoni says he did nothing wrong. it is actually blake and her husband and their team. the publicist is also named in this suit, who they were running a smear campaign against him. now, i want to read you part of this complaint, brianna. it says, quote, though lively claim baldoni was the one smearing her, the reality is that it was lively and her team who carefully planned and implemented a vile smear
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campaign against baldoni in wayfarer, which is baldoni's production company, to deflect attention and blame for lively's disastrous misjudgments. now, i know that this is messy and there's a lot of moving parts. but wait, there's more. taylor swift has now been dragged into all of this. taylor swift is publicly and famously very close friends, with both blake lively and her husband, ryan reynolds, and baldoni is now essentially saying that blake and ryan used their famous friend taylor to assert more power. there is an alleged scene in this lawsuit where baldoni says that blake lively and ryan reynolds rewrote part of the script, and that when he went over to their place in new york city to discuss this part of the script, that taylor swift was there and that she was praising blake for this script, which baldoni claims he took as a sign to say, okay,
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since last june, much longer than the planned one week long trip. today, she was alongside astronaut nick hague during the spacewalk, the two spending about 6.5 hours outside working on upgrades and maintenance on the station. and joining us now to talk about it is retired nasa astronaut leroy chiao leroy. tell us more about this spacewalk. and you're really the person to do it because you've gone on six of these. what's it like to get out of the space station? stretch your legs a little bit and do something like this. >> well, doing spacewalks are what we call eva for extravehicular activity. that's kind of like the the coolest thing, in my opinion, that you can do in space. and of course, getting up in space for the first time especially is fantastic. but then if you get to do a spacewalk on top of that, you know, it's just a surreal is the word that i use. but you're also working very hard. it's not at all like the movies. it takes a lot of physical effort. you have to be in good shape. um, you're
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working against the suits. it's bulky. it's hard to move your fingers and your arms. and what sonny and nick were doing today was, you know, not not too bad. i mean, this was not the most challenging of evas, but they are all challenging. but this was not an especially difficult one. they're repairing some thermal blankets for the x ray telescope. and they were also prepping the landing zone, if you will, for an upgrade for the alpha magnetic spectrometer, which is helping us look for dark matter. so important tasks for sure. uh, sounds like everything went very well. and the i believe they're back inside by now and probably going through all their their steps to clean up their suits and, and back out of the eva situation. but it looks like everything went really great. >> i think an astronaut's version of not so complicated is different than the average person's definition. i will say that, leroy, but we can't ignore the fact that sunny's been stuck up there for seven months. so has butch wilmore.
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the stay was extended again just last month. you were on the es for six months. i'm assuming that was a planned deal, but just tell us what it's like. >> sure. well, i mean, you know, the long duration flight is a lot different than a two week shuttle mission. it's what we used to compare, say, like a marathon compared to a sprint. but you know what? if you know when you're coming down, you're kind of mentally prepared for that. in the case of butch and sunny, of course, they were expecting a 7 to 10 day flight. now it's going to be, you know, an eight plus month flight. but butch and sunny are both consummate professionals. they both flown long duration missions before done. spacewalks is certainly not sunny's first spacewalk. and so, you know, we're trained to be adaptable and adjust to the situation, which is exactly what the two of them have done, and they've done a great job of it. so i'm sure they're looking forward to getting back. you know, this was certainly disruptive to their personal lives or families, their friends. uh, but, you know, they're making the best of it. >> yeah. i mean, i know astronauts like to be in space. that's why they're astronauts.
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so i guess it makes sense. but overnight, jeff bezos blue origin had a historic night launch of its new glenn rocket into orbit. can you talk a little bit about why that's critical and what it means for competition against space x, elon musk's company? >> sure. you bet. and i and i'm really happy to see that they were so successful. new glenn, uh, you know, finally made it into orbit. and it's been in the works for a number of years. blue origin has been around about the same time as spacex, right around 25 years or so. and of course, spacex has been very successful for a number of years. their falcon nine, falcon heavy. and now they're getting ready to launch tonight. flight test number seven for starship. and so really exciting stuff happening. it's important that blue origin get in there because it's always good to have competition. it's the american way right. you have competition. and that makes things. you get the best product for the lowest possible prices for the consumers or the users. and spacex has been, you know, dramatically brought down
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the price of launch by reusing first stage boosters for falcon and falcon heavy. they demonstrated they can catch the super heavy boosters from the starship. and they're going to try again tonight and try to try for the second time. and so it's really going to be a game changer payload wise. the new glenn is kind of positioned in its capability between falcon nine and falcon heavy. so that's kind of a nice place to be. but glad to see that they were successful. they didn't catch the booster. i don't think they really thought they would. they wanted to try something didn't go right, but they'll learn from the experience. just like spacex did when they before they finally started capturing the falcon nine boosters on a routine basis. >> now, yeah, it's cool to watch for sure. leroy, always great to have you. thank you so much. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> and we'll be right back. >> you know that thing your family does something back in
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